the you can't do it, it's not allowed. we are still pushing the always pushing a boundaries for we are the ones traveling the extra mile where all the media don't go. we go there and we give them a chance to tell the story. to like describing 19 barriers is spreading thoughts across many countries. world health organization. he says it poses serious trust for with a ton demick still freshman on mines is that close to worries and will this virus have a go away? this is inside the other than welcome to the program on the clock. it is no longer a global health emergency but cubic 19 is still

a threat. and that's according to the world health organization, which is now monitoring and you're very cold. e, g 5 is not necessarily more dangerous than other veterans, but it is spreading foss across several countries from the us to japan and china, the strain appears to be highly transmissible. so it's kind 19 here to stay. and with so many variants, constantly emerging will booster shots even make a difference? we'll explore these questions with a guest and just a moment for for us this report from katia lucas, it's a new cove of 19 variants that spreading fast. it's called the e g 5, and the world health organization is keeping an eye on it. the vitus continues to circulate in all the countries. it continues to kim and it continues to change. the ability to, he's got into the tracking 7 of the variants, including e, g dot 5 for which we have publishing at least evaluation. for now health experts

say that you do 5 strain doesn't appear to pose a higher thread than other variants. like on the kron but the cases are on the rise, particularly in china, south korea, japan, canada, and the us with new variance emerging booster vaccines must also change. we try to select the empty gen, uh, that will a provide use the maximum breast of unity. so that to protection to people is a, as why that's supposed to be born uh on dissipating that the virus movers between the time where the recommendation is issue and the time when the vaccine is produced. e g 5 is causing about 70 percent of new cove and 19 cases in the us with schools back in session and summer travel possibly fueling the risk. but on a global level, the w h o says it's struggling to keep accurate statistics with only 25 percent of

countries still reporting cold with 19 data. we don't detect a change in severity of e g dot 5 compared to others, something he does it on the chrome that had been in circulation since late 2021. the world is still recovering from the aftermath of the devastating pandemic. nearly 7000000 people have died globally since corporate 19 1st emerged in 2020. it's no longer a pen demick, but the w h o says it's a mistake for governments to see the virus as something of the past. patsy a little bit. so the again for insights story the so that you have it, let's bring it in now i guess now in just show we have a pool hunter in the u. k. that the meal logistic professor in medicine at the university of east anglia, in power. some problems works on a paycheck. a global health advisor and a global engagement lecture at the university college of london school. the

pharmacy i am on by thoughts each while i get louder, consultants on infectious diseases and present emeritus of the 8th society of india . a warm welcome to each of you and knocks on it. if i could start with you straight to the bottom line, should we be, why do you think? well, i think this is certainly not the time to let our guard up, but it's important to stress that the overall risk globally is low. we're not in the same position as we were even in december 2022 at the i'm a crime wave. but not all countries are surveying as much as they can be. and we need to get that booster program rolling out. that is a more specific vaccine for this new variant of interest. so what i'm really concerned about are the, is the vulnerable population. we should certainly not let our guard down, but there is also not a reason for for panic as a w show has assessed the risk globally to be low. right issues,

everything to collection. you're alluding to that which will come on to it. and the name is it to you, it but 1st full hon said the w h. i have described the g 5 is a variant of interest. what do they mean by that as well? they classified new veteran suspects of interest. there is a very concise is a very good site claiming that they are worried about that is likely to cause increase home and to share their have interest is basically they have finally made up their minds of the watching. like to have it done before they decide what's the most that so the interests never make it towards that. it's clearly something i've done in the past. so one to watch this, why is it then in this case there is more contrast around the world more coverage about at the g 5 and what's happening with the spread?

i'm not sure. i mean, we've been seeing you variance every 3 to 4 months. so that's a spread. typically they're associated with a, an increase in case is lovely for a few weeks before then a dying back down to the ultimate be replaced by another new variable. so i didn't see this variance as being any difference too many of the other variables that we've seen in, in uh, in the last year or so. well, we have seen these with the way of infections, certainly in the english states, and which is still pretty reasonable. the way these last few people in the hospital, it was fewer people than the previous slide. so this is a virus that's going to be around forever. we know the other human throat a viruses, so you variance called escape variance variance that can bypass to a certain extent problem human say of the

a saw. so the 2 is following the dr. gladish work, a lot of it. what's your sense about this using much of a g 5 yet in india, a boy in india, we are dividing only one case. what we do fight, according to me, we should not do much of a good us to do so. 80 sort of you is you point 5. if you look at the, we're jo assisting the, i'm already in the uh, one of the video and under warranty, the us didn't video with this. then they end up done something. and then they end up high cost equals, but if you look at the last 21 months, we did not get any annual video after or equal and what the, what the declared value needed to stop. so video is a video x b, b $1.00, which is a video of will be gone. so after the jump in there for seconds, it just says those numbers real quick, you know, just explain for,

of you as if you would what you mean by that. uh, if it's, if you're differentiating between different variants there are you sure. uh, we have one. why the, why they, why it is which other one white us after that we have on file be dot dot gamma. and after that one, if she can, but that was fun, not a video. well, any good, so then it will be, will be dropped off. so it will be grounded as long you will, but in this i will be glad to work and change it to x v be actually be point 11119.2. and this is a good eighty's or easy one. find it is a, somebody in the x, b, b. so it is block, i will be drunk driving it or you just beginning i've been going, well, big block is already and up. support actually is putting the what do you have for will be good? good, good deal window. going to be a window. so would you like to do a report do kitchens for glasses? business, a topic, airline. everything opened up. and then also if there's been no looking back. so if we, we, we should look at the project to the open fiction, it would be

a driving new inspection. did they should not us go up to that project really is decided to buy, buy things. number one, how many people like, what oxygen, how many people to go out of bed, and what do you already do? but like what i see you bye for how many people are they quite a victim again, in the book, why you call waiting for die. so if there dates and all other books that i would just have little boy no, i don't think we should be good to go. it is currently what's, what's less, so pretty butler and much less so or didn't, didn't then i don't know why this is. yeah, okay. got it. oh i that's interesting. yeah. give you. let me just let me know. we'll come back to the 2nd. we'll come back to you in a 2nd as well. but i'm still on the point is though the people looking in from the outside would say that it is spreading faster than other variance have that have done before. is it? yes. so we've seen successive ways of i'm a crime. so that's the variance. so that's uh the x b b a reference that are probably just made. i'm not spend the pattern for the last

18 months now, but in certain regions, we've seen that rate of hospitalization going up and increasing your being one area in the u. k as well, that's creeping back up again. so there's going to be potentially going into the full with r s v and other flu virus says respect sri viruses that can put a lot of strain on the health system. so think there's, there, there are concerns amongst leaders of health care systems in hospitals about how this could affect it. that way if continues, particularly of be quite seen, children will be back in school and our booster programs are not fully ready at pull hunter and trisha. you're an epidemiologist, i can say he want to jump in the yeah, i think, well, we have said just comparing the rates of rugs in relationship to of the variance.

recently the g point 5 isn't actually taking over as rapidly as say, some of the other, some of the variance of only calling that we've seen over the last year. so it is, it is still increasing, it probably will lead to some increased cases. the hospitalization, right? at the moment has been going up in the u. k since january, and i don't think we can blame aging point 5 for that. well, it's been increasing any way possibly because of overseas part of the problem which is is another risk factor. but also, i think because this is a virus, the unity against infections is very short lived, whether it's from boxing or from a natural infection, by about 4 or 5 months after the infection, all that see about positive people have lost everything even see any way. and so you are going to see these weights of a, of infections that gradually get less in terms of the severity. and i think that's

what we, that's what we were expecting about 2 years ago. and that's essentially what we see, e g point 5 will probably lead to more excess of cases rides that will be some increasing hospitalizations. but at the moment in england we, we come from a point at the beginning of july, we had fewer people in the hospital from because of cope with them. we've had really, since the very 1st weeks of the day. and so we, all the cases hospitalizations have gone up, they go up from a very low thanks. and there's some evidence that asked that so ready, beginning to placid. this is what it said. so with more cases we, we say you say it is not one particularly to worry about this one. but if we're getting more more cases for those who are vulnerable, particularly vulnerable to cove, it, it does present a big problem. does net, especially the elderly, a st bedroom of data. but in that it was that when the senior citizens and people

read the commodities had seen institution, people who come over these are the some of the other funding. so they may get anything and everything. and we shouldn't look after them even otherwise. so apart from that, there's no method of consent a bit. you will have to be some cases, even 70 percent off or 70 percent increase. that is $16.00 of the cases that are gonna be various. oh really? what it is not grudging. any problem. now if you look up the bookings, what, what, what we have a hybrid even, or do you have heard of it? it is a natural liberty because of infection. i've actually, even though the vaccine of it would be as rid of any bidding we have, i mean, what does that mean? what his sense get activated, but up the same way that's or see me that why that's just a deck again. and this other one, the one new dish and apart from the extra be properly. so with why don't even vision, you can either send me a d. what do you just not causing any problem and so long as not causing any

problem, we should not be what i call it. it is, e g is a employment, get a d for some people if you out of the keyboard. so why does this, you have a bright all of this. we should come up that you're going to be going to send dig policies. anybody to do a poll, could i just come back to you for a 2nd to tell us a little bit more about how these viruses evolve and what the process is and how they reinvent themselves. and why, when you say that actually slightly the, the kind of the potency of coated is diminishing as time goes on. why is that the case? what is the thing that they have to see in the bio sick cell probably is. nevertheless, i think one of the we have got these is immunity. i'm. there's 2 essentially there's 2 types of in unity that we can talk about this a community that starts in fashion, the cetera, like uh, some people card sterilizing. any routine that a and then the scene you see that prevents to be a disease. now immunity,

the starting faction is spanish. so last thing, even with that, the parents knew variance. and well we see is we most of the new veterans. the mutations are primarily in the areas, but the bottom topics to the coast airlines. and you can see me in the units extended community immunity to uh, hello. the infections is much more durable. it's caused by lots of other things, other than the short lived immunity to infection. a t so no new. so i'm going to go these kill us. so all of these went together and we know that over to an infection or up to back to nation human being sterilizing. it means you spend short lived immunities to severe disease. hospitalization, requiring oxygen that is much more durable and its particularly durable. if you've

had the same pat unimed section that's called cyber to new z. so it's quite natural that we can expect we're going to see ways of uh, soft, curvy to infections. the surrender, you know, the severity this, the pressure on hospitals will undoubtedly get continued to get less and less, i think has to know the last, well really, since the 1st on the chrome wave. right. so it's advantage seems just didn't pull it and still need to play a role in all of this looks on the ad will we will people need boosters to deal with easy point 5 and any forthcoming versions? well, there have been recommendations for the new booster to be a uh, uh, tailored to the um, a cron, uh, subs variance and not to include the original uh,

wild virus because that has not been in circulation for so long. that has been the recommendation that has come for us uh to the ca, however, uh it will be important for those timings uh, especially for the vulnerable uh we're looking at people who are and you know, compromised elderly people, even pregnant women for a higher clinical risk to get a booster shot, but that booster shot should be an updated version, not the ones that we've had in circulation previously. so this does not seem to be on track to be ready for september in the states. i think there's a bit of a delay before it gets out in october, but i think the timing also matters, but also to, to highlight my colleagues point this will be processed in which the modification of the tweaking of the boosters for certain populations will be an ongoing process to make sure it's as effective as possible. right so, so i know it's important to boost community not only for the vulnerable but also

for those because as it spreads more and more people to be exposed to it and therefore the possibility of loan cove it hitting people is gonna grow the chances of, of getting it going to grow or, well we, we still have a lot to learn about long clues and, and there is a lot of work to be done even within the medical community around recognizing and treating long who read. certainly, we're done with the improved vaccines that we'll see that this could be in the next step in terms of reducing the burden of long co read. but i think that there's a lot of investment that's needed around this because even with mild cases, those who are fit, young, unhealthy, have developed long coded and, and they do not fall into those risk groups of the most vulnerable. so i think, you know, we're a long ways away from actually understanding how to prevent long qu bed. usually

the best bet would be to be vaccinated in to get that booster shot when it's ready . right and on this subject, vaccinations is with a lot of that of course the global south. we had this whole issue of inequality across levels of last time around. it didn't get it fast share. what about india? what's its experience being and, and what's his position now in terms of giving bases to the population, you're talking about direction. yeah. to look at in the computer duly. if we compare our so with the about 5, is that i want an eviction or i that i want to direction indian vaccine, which is estrogenic article we shared in india. that people, somebody bought a suit, goshen, and this is found to be a better vaccine that they're buying it with a lot. what do i get to do then everybody, me list a address to pick that name by the name and therefore engage in that one digit situation. i'm secondly, in the i can make other vaccine even shot respect. and i'll do for that one is available. so if we all do break, did go to vaccine, we did

a new way to get into somebody else, it can be done easily. but having said that, nobody's going to direction now. because if we have a flu vaccine, hardly bite within percent prepared to correction, and this is going to be minus 7 to so or direction i get. so what do i use? advisor? the people are not legal to. the top goes rustic on even deb. i want to 30 percent, but really just as i guess, so it would be remembers, incorporated with god the google says it is should top vaccine. otherwise it is. uh not really what, what, what is going to work is the goods for management uh, dental. um, well i will see you guys have done most of it and this is a deluxe word works you want on this card. uh it is the worksheet. oh, so good. yes. so then the same, we are with the pregnancy and all you have to do option to cover it is that everything is that people are probably going to bother if this is what you know at the lower end up like the exams are like, yeah, this is includes a,

a and b that obviously there's representative items that is going in india. so it is yours. but what it was that it will go with the pool on to we saying that we should be less worried about cov id and it's variance like the g point 5. and we should be focusing more on the grates of threats of flu, which comes every winter. well, i think, i think it's still too early to stop worrying about it. i wouldn't points that the b o boxing may not generate. so it's the as offensive. sterile. i think you can even see to infection as, as maybe a new variance, but it still provides very good protection against small, severe disease, the old, the boxing compared to the bi david boxes. well, there wasn't that much difference in how well they protected against severe disease . so yeah, i mean, even in the absence of a new boxing,

they own the traditional that seems to have substantial value if you are at risk of most of the disease. so, you know, don't, don't, uh, decline because you don't think it's the search. it's against the circulating the $18.00 of the problems we knew we tracing boxing 6 months to base events that we've seen come around, stay around to get literally a mattress, a couple of months before another, very a, they're all going from some bearings. so we will never be in a position, but we can have a new variable. i, b, g, uh, uh, point 5, and then generates it back to you before that disappears and we've got a new variance again. so i think we uh, the existing vaccine still provide substantial protection against sure, a severe disease of so on at the beginning of the program. we talked about this

issue of data collecting and decreased levels of testing, which i guess it makes it harder to accurately attract you. k with 19 cases and give us the, the quantity of knowledge that we need. is that the case and how serious the problem is that? yes, so the world health organization has are usually called for governments to maintain their vigilance around monitoring and surveillance so that we can be prepared. not only for search could be 2 and all of a sudden variance of but if you can direct. so this is also really important part of pandemic security and is something that the w cio is discussing in their pap pandemic a chord with member states. so i think, you know, we can't just be relying on unlimited tools, the more information we have, the better and, and also just to emphasize that, of course, the, the, the previous, you know, any vaccines for a better, the no vaccine if you are vulnerable. but now that the, the,

the wild strain is no longer in, in circulation, it does make sense, going forward to have just a broad stroke uh, on the kron focused vaccine. so hopefully we do see that and hopefully me see countries taking this seriously in terms of monitoring and surveillance because the be a, there's still a lot that we have to learn particularly long cove and burden. and the additional complications to health that will be very costly for societies is why the w insurance says it's a mistake for governments to think that type. it is a thing of the past. all governments around the world do you think ready for a major increase in infections this winter approaches to find the fact that there is a better friend? i think the fitness than any time before i could just in last 100. yes. so i will be waiting for those to take, spend any fitness or emergency preparedness as well with age. so management get us to be, or any of this is brandon makes. and secondly, there should be global head security,

which is very weak. and this was going to king, if you're seeing the directions game, all these countries they acquired pipe would say what that was, what the world vaccines, the population they would this bother about. this will do what it is. only india. we've talked a bit that a board are people looking pretty good visual get vaccine. so they're going to have security. i think the visuals made that did that should be provided security. they should be nice. those conditions which are being, i guess, the ticket to be the only subject or what do you, what they don't get, the, what the, what the, what do for the people or what does that is a wrong policy? so if we have one of these products, the benefit preparedness and global net security, i think we are all good about us. yeah, it's a pull out and so it could not go your way. flew continues to evolve a nearly every year. we need to, to focus on the threats of, you know, coming threats, coming from elsewhere. different viruses, emoji. oh, absolutely. i mean, not being graduated just over 40 years ago. and every year since i graduated in mex,

that has been long more new infections. imagine inspections. imagine infectious disease. ready and a lot of people, i think, studying from most of the last 20 years, i think the thing about the preparedness and we've seen this inc with influenza director, parents in the past, most governments, most of the countries, most institutions are really well. okay. so the next time that make a year or 2 after the last 4 on by the and the problem is keeping that momentum. uh so you know, when, when we used to box and when i was involved in running the vaccination campaign, so they the healthcare stuff because it was easier to get people to be fascinated after the year after that blue that in the year before that flu season and how do we do that? how do we t, public health results is attention going at

a time when you to many of the major times and it's like this? well, every most government slice likes pounds and that i think is the challenge. interesting . well, thank you. guess to all of you for your opinions and the value judgments about all of his pull home talk, send a check and talk to each what canada. thank you so much for joining us today. and thanks to you for watching, you can see the program again at any time by visiting our website. how does or dot com for further discussion? just go to a facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is as a inside story for meeting the clock team devices the the

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