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a tournament that seem wrinkled crowds and tv audiences world wide. it's a transformation from the 1st women's world cup in 1991. at the time of the game was developed in only a few countries. now it's a big business, professional sport with the top styles, heroes, and role models for young girls who cannot dream of one day scoring the winter for that country in a world comp. so what's next, the women's football kind of grow to be as big as the men's game. i kind of all countries have a fat chance of one day tasting will come dory. we'll be discussing all of that ample. when we kick off the discussion with our guest in just a moment, but 1st, let's go to our reports that alex told us in sydney at west spain and england will do battle in the final on sunday. whatever happens later this week, there will be a new name on the trophy of the pit suites, the record see the right things, not just in australia. ticket sales have also been hard as an adverb with,

for this offense has proves the commercial viability of women. skilful. if there was any down to tools in the 1st time, the key thing pro christmas sense is the diversity of the audience for the new funds. so the schools that would never normally show an interest, and the culture is different to the men's game, still noisy and passionate, the less toxic. i'm intimidating. special mentions of columbia spans through, turned up and impressive numbers, and certainly made that presence known. most textbooks i've spoken to also sites able to spot other women sports to try to achieve the same visibility tobacco still hasn't they? one in terms of prize money and pay to match the men's game. but also every national association, the type the women's game as seriously as the men's england 90 or in jamaica or along the change in dispute with that country circle boss is going into this events,

spots. there's no question is more positive than negative australia, new zealand, welcoming welts. and so they started off. i'm alex thomas in sydney for inside story. but let's take a quick look at the rapid growth of the women's world cops. it's been 32 years since china hosted the 1st tournament in 1991, but then 12 teams qualified. now 32 teams played in australia, new zealand, that's 8 more than in the previous tournaments in france, 4 years ago. more teams of also let them all fans ticket sales set to hit 92000000 bought by funds from 182 countries to travel down to to see the games. tv audience is broken, records world wide. despite significant time zone difference is fee for says this world cup is on target to reach an overall tv audience of $2000000000.00 worldwide . the right, let's be to, i guess,

from toronto, canada, with jointed by shipping of it, a city contributed with cdc. sports has been covering the world come from could kindly, the capital overland. it's a chicago shift full of professional athletes and sports journalists and from sit out in the netherlands is kind of no charge. there's a professional football and a full the docs club for you to sit on the women's 1st division. she's also the captain of the afghanistan women's national team. a will welcome to you will share me in this world. cup has been a huge success by any one's measure to what do you attribute that success. i think that we have to give a nod to new zealand and australia co hosts of this incredible tournament for really providing a blueprint. this is my 3rd world cup that i've attended, women's world cup and the country is absolutely in love with women, sport. it is being supported publicly. it's being supported politically. and i

think that's the difference, how the game can grow and didn't really offer to the world a map on how to be able to do this in a way that's not toxic. and that just provides a lot of excitement for the beautiful game show is great to see you. you were here with us in the heart of that was a 0 for the, for the man's will cover the end of the of 2022. this, the women's game is growing in popularity worldwide, of course, but i mean this toner but it's been something else hasn't been incredible and the fact that it's been down and come to like a stranger n u z. then that, and we embrace sports in general. but also that haven't brace, you know, women sports last year we so it will pack up. all you know, attendance is at the see the women's basketball woke up and now the keys are we, men's woke up, we just seemed, you know, a lot of encouragement, a lot of people embracing women in sports and really just going and buying tickets and making sure that the 2 young girls to be inspired, you know,

i woke up and the numbers, but also just generally on 9 is being more interest than what we saw in the 2019. and for us, of course, it was a classic platform. but now it's really got into a very high level and it's, you know, just great to experience it is, it is indeed a kind of i was this tournament, always going to be a success or do you think something else is a play here? i definitely believe it's a huge success, but tournament and moments football is definitely headed in a positive direction. and i think one of the key contributors to that success is just expanding the format from 24 teams to 32 and replicating it like the man's world kind of. and because of that, we see so many new new nations taking part in the beauty of this woman's world, kind of and on top of that, the success has been massive and incredible. from the 6 confederations. um, each confederation has had teams that have one, at least one match. so it's definitely very successful and it's had it in

a positive direction. you think opening it up to 32 teams was a good thing then. i mean it's, it's so if the game well and hasn't just highlighted the disparity in ability levels between various parts of the world. when the expansion of the world cub, you see that, that the teams that deserve to be at the world stage are in there of course, but also other nations that you know deserve to develop and grow the woman's game. and truly show that the woman's world cocked is a global tournament. so regardless of the score line, regardless of whether your organization is losing 6 mail today, i think 10 years down the road, it's really gonna significantly impact the woman's game and only benefit sharing one of the highlights of this to have it been. so file for you, but off the field as well as on it before we get to talk more about the, the issues here. i think one of the things and just highlighting what if i couldn't, i had set add, is that, you know,

the expensive is really important. and you just mentioned the disparities between the team and the way that they're supported financially. and the struggle is actually part of the conversation and a part of the culture in the ecosystem of women's football globally. and these are things that we can separate. i mean, a lot of people, it's easy for, you know, media to separate what's happening on the pitching up. but they're really quite connected. and you've got to, you know, to view teams that made it beyond the group stages, which was incredible. a morocco was doing it this world cup only the 2nd team in the women's world cup history to ever go to the knock at rounds, the round of 16. and i think that's really important and also to have conversations that continue. and before we get to the issues of the field, truly, but highlighting issues that occur as a part of the growth of women's football. and one of the things i'm most excited about is the congress. the students being had by supporters and by media. but what the type of things that are happening,

good and bad in women's football and those conversations haven't always occurred. so it's really important that they, they are happening. i sure would you agree with that? i would you, would you agree that opening it up to 32 teams was that was the right thing to do. absolutely. um, i mean, you've done from a, an african point of view. now we get to see, you know, a new teams that are competing in limits football in the past. it's always been like nigeria kind of gotten us. but just seeing these, you know, play is going to that stage to be done. like some be a and mark of getting into those conversations, playing friendly games and the lead up to the room is woke up and say, okay, we want to see where do we stand, you know, at the global level. so just, you know, we hope also that you know, if it can continue like this and maybe see if i can also have a conversation around saying ok for the 1st time we've seen 3 african teams leaving the group phase in going to the ronda 16th. can we expand the number of slots that the african teams are getting because in the continent to be the 54,

just getting on the 4 slots is not enough. because what that means is, is this. yeah, you have some b s. and then they're not in the top 4 in the next, you know, 4 years then that didn't, the reason is gone. so, but if you expand the number to may be 8 and then we can have a different conversation and have them compete every year in year out and continue to get more exposure. so i think that's your next funding. um, the former has given us an opportunity to, to get some very nice stories, you know, like columbia, like jamaica, you know, being part of these compositions on the global stage. and actually how, how big is, is the woman's getting, how much support does it have in, in africa? does a mass support? do you know, now the situations are starting to seek, you know, it could be a good mind here. you can start by the beautiful, an incredible story of morocco. 3 years ago they didn't really have a women's football strategies, but the federation sat down and said, look, if we want to compete globally, we have to do the right things. they went and hired a remote address, who obviously had one to women's junk is like,

tied to is be the key on brought him tomorrow. co gave him the same facilities that the men's team that went to the semi finals of the woke up i using if anything to actually staying in the same hotel in the lead up to the woke up the match. they didn't win the recording, took a tosh so you know, things like that, you know, having some be a, for example, playing a friendly games with the team, like germany and actually picking germany in the lead up to the woke up. those are the kinds of conversations that we need, but it has to get better. we need more teams and more investors and more people that make key decisions to embrace women's football. and this also means things like, for example, getting women's football on television. and that means in terms of showing the leaks, we can we couch, we sing some of the countries do that you've gotten to for example, has the women super lead on, on the phone for television, which is the national, you know, for duration tv. so that, you know, helps people continue to see these women play not just one as in 4 years when they

go to the walk up fucking, and i mean it as we sort of the beginning, you're a professional football. busy you play with the force you to sit out in, in the, the women's 1st division in, in the netherlands. but of course what we're talking about the world cup, which is international level. it's getting a lot of attention. what is the situation at the domestic league level? how does your life as a professional football compared to your male counterparts? while the women's world cup is directly related to the domestic leagues as well. so what we see the pattern almost that we see is that we have a lumens world capital. we have these huge international tournaments, whether it be the us a call or in the champions league final. and so after events like this take place, which we have a lot of them and some a lot of attention, it doesn't necessarily always translate to the domestically. so although the domestic leaks are heavily investing, they are uh, building

a professional infrastructure for their players. there is still a huge disparity that does exist. and although we are, you know, had it in a positive direction, i would still like to see that increase the amount of fan base infrastructure attention to really growing the woman's name at the domestic level. and ensuring that it is consistent and sustainable to re not out does the women's game keep the momentum going off to this tournament. i mean, after the last world cup and until what i think until the euro's last year, that seem to be a frustrating, lo, i think one of the things to remember is that we shouldn't just pay attention to and support every quadrennial it shouldn't just be at omega tournaments like fi olympics or like, you know, the women's world cup and they think that the interest in, in the women's game itself needs to continue you have in the final is some spain in england. you have to have the most, you know, it's citing and degrading domestic leaves in the world,

the women super league and then the lead up, i mean, united spain with teams that are really, really and trawling. and i think we need to look at even a little closer. i mean, i'm in canada and we don't even have a domestic women's league here. we have a proposed one, and that's really important to continue to support the women's game at the grass roots level. is really essential and even if that means supporting, you know, an n c, a team or university college team. these are all or, or development teams and youth teams which is really important. and i mean those are where the stars come from. those are where the next generations come from. and when you speak with players or also advocates, cuz remember, adrian, that women's athletes also become advocates for women, support a new growth and sustainability of it, which is something that many players don't actually have to do. um, i think we should remember to keep supporting at those levels that you know, the product we know was incredible. the ticket sales, the attention,

the broadcast numbers tell us that people are heavily invested. i remember a time when the line s, as didn't get very much public support. i was in france in 2019 and couldn't find, look at anywhere in the stores. so i mean, i see the growth that i want to hope that change. and i hope that changes here to stay. okay, i show that as trey was saying, i mean that there is gross money is starting to be invested in certain parts of, of the world. what more needs to be done, for instance, to get invested into football, in, in places in, in, in africa, the less affluent places in africa? well, to be honest, you know, it's really a new, consistent that we have to change. because when we talk about women's football and people talk about, you know, we're not able to see these women, we need more broadcast, you know, broadcast partnerships. you know, in the lead up to the women's woke up, the car has been going on. there were issues, for example, with the top 5 countries in europe, not being able to but by the right. so those small things affect, you know,

the growth of the game. and yes, we talk about, you know, a lot of the 9 nights happening. maybe around the us or women's jumped is the we so the big numbers, you know, friends that went to the comp new to watch best and no net in england. it's the same thing. but from a global perspective, we need more people to, to watch them as football. we can, we count that impacts, you know, the commercial revenue that comes around the game. and also the decisions really from the situations to embrace women. so it's not a competition. we're not saying that women wants to be better than men. it's really what do you invest in the men should be the same that use us in the women. we've seen that growth, you know, even from a teams library on the g didn't months is a night that embraced, we've been students way later than the, the big boys in, in the game. you know, as no, much as the cd chelsea. but now you can see that those 2 teams competing, you know, at the favorable level. so when you take it, you know, to the club level in the rest of the countries across the world,

that's where the composition needs to be. hi. yes, we talk about eco page that you could pay comes from. do we have the same opportunities when it comes to investment? and those are the things that we need to be talking about for a clinic. uh, can you ever see a time when a professional plans like you normally pay it as much as you'll mail counterparts, but enjoy the same working conditions and a basic support. i can visualize that i'm very optimistic that we will have um even better. um, you know, infrastructure for about fraternities and its just a matter of time. however, i personally do not like to compare man and woman football as freight as they both are warming, football has received attention really. sorry. i received attention rather much later than the men's game and i think people are just starting to understand how much impact, how much passion and dedication and dr. female athletes genuinely have both on and off the pitch. and so do i think the pay yeah, will reduce?

yes, i do. however, again, i'm very optimistic that other is not just female athletes are the ones advocating for this, but it's the whole global community that sees the need for female athletes to be at the forefront during coming back to the challenges that you were talking about at the grass roots level equipment, facilities, coaching support. what about things like, like kids and footwear sportswear manufacturer was making enough get specifically for women rather than shutting out unisex stuff for or stuff for men women are after have to make do with i think one of the important things is the women's game is an incredible product on its own. and i agree with, you know, my co panelists that comparing it to the men's side is not something we should do. and many leaves around the world. and in many federations women's kits aren't even available. and i, you know, live in canada and you weren't able, you're not able to buy a women's kit and national to women's get,

even after they won the olympics in 2020. so we mean, you look at that and you look at what are the opportunities? i'm and you know, that's something that's really important to say. and these are just part of other psycho social factors. we've seen increased injuries in a c, l, a interior crucial ligaments. and that's also because of environment. it's not just because of the pressing of the athlete. there's so many things like resources facilities. as previously mentioned, morocco is one of the only federations to provide really what they do. their facility outside of the box is like one of the only ones in the world, and they're the only legal in the world that has 2 tiers, the professional women that actually are remote or rated. so there's so many things here. it's not just about k, it's about support. it's about broadcast. is it being televised? are there, you know, we know that north america, 4 percent of all broadcast is women sports. that's not a lot either in 4 percent. there's so many leaves or so many opportunities. and you

know, people need to keep investing, not just to, and yes, there's little the money numbers and people will argue that, you know, you, it's the product isn't, you know, worth that you, you know, women shouldn't be paid equally. but labor and valuing that labor is extremely important, and we know what the growth the women's woman's game has skyrocketed and people are willing to pay. and in australia, matilda is jerseys, have completely out sold the soccer ruse. so this there's and that's a country where soccer may not be, football, may not be the number one sport. you know, it gets all the routes, football, but still the point is, there's a place for this. there was a place for women's football to exist and to thrive. and in terms of the other things, i mean, the social issues, political issues around the teams. those are very much an important story. and a quick point i want to make, it's not only countries in the global south considered oper, car, or even the or south america that aren't being paid. canada is very much in a dispute with its own federation. and the us, you know, as previously students, employer. so i really want to make sure that we understand that not providing

resources to women support is not just an issue in the global self. i'm sure it is the game adequately meeting the health needs of, of when players and i'm thinking in terms of, of the types of injury that women suffer when they play football, as opposed to men and give them that much sports science research is, is focused on the on the male body and the female body. yeah, absolutely. and different conversations, you know, that are very important for us to have. and thank you for the question, adrian, because we need researches. we need the medical world to look into that. why are these female athletes getting these injuries but also really to have open conversations for example, about mr. periods, you know, what is for example, the jersey type, what are the sizes of the shots, you know, as a play as comfortable can. we also have conversations about sports braz because these are things that you know, when you look around, people think, oh, it's odious. but you will find that some of the athletes are playing in bryce and

not really sports drives and that affects you know, the way that they play because you're talking about 90 minutes of a football game. so i think that um, you know, for durations and decision makers and also reading organizations, if a nice there activist groups you know, have to open the talk about these and see how to grow the game. because it's not just about pay, pay, pay, pay, it's about things like that for quite a while. i'll come to you in just a moment because there were the 2 specific questions i want to ask you guys at the end. so bear with me, but it should be and how does the women's game over come cultural and social challenges that exist in, in many parts of the world? i mean, i mean, many women involved in the schools have experienced online abuse, for example. yeah, i mean there's a culture of toxicity, certainly, and you'll have, you know, massage and as some people who argue that you shouldn't be doing play and you know, you can't necessarily resolve all issues. and some regions are very specific to the

type of abuse they gather. the type of discrimination that the women face, whether it's homophobia or in people some sentiment and quite frankly, in france. and this needs to be said, most of women who want to wear his job can't even participate in sports domestically because of, of his job. and that exists there, and i mean there's so many issues that we can discuss about this. but one of the things we need to do is realize and understand that football needs to be access safely by women all over the world and see what their needs are and look around and see how they can be supported. and the other thing is to not to shy away from the questions that are really important and just as they should just mention whether it's issues regarding menstruation or needs of those athletes. these are very specific needs and things that are important to talk about. and whether, you know, there's been criticism in the us team and how they navigate other space, their culture and team culture will be very different than someone like in england . but you've seen solidarity from all these players, whether it's facing sexual abuse. i'm a sport with some of these teams be particularly haiti i've had to overcome. i mean,

this is, these are really important things and we can't shy away from those discussions. adrian, it's important to recognize and celebrate the joy of the game while addressing the challenges at the same time. i should just very briefly, would you agree with that? yes, absolutely. we have to look at both sides of the story. no one is trying to say that it's only the positives that i have to, you know, we'd dash women's football because when you look at, for example, the women woke up and you see the journalist was asking, you know, the american captain about eligibility cubes. and if she has any teammates on the team that are playing, and this is i had of the 1st ever game at the women's woke up, they could have chosen to ask the different questions, but that's what they chose to do. so there's a lot really to talk about. yeah, for kind of, as we said at the beginning of the program, you're also the captain of the, of afghanistan's, within women's national side. what is the future of the women's game in afghanistan? where is your team right now? well, unfortunately, like many people might be aware of right now,

since the fall of, of can a stand and 2021. we actually don't have an active national team. so what that means is that the fact of government has band woman support participation in general, among many other bands, such as rights to education, other basic necessities. now that being said, since 2021, that can spend a long as national team, the players that were within the country, have been evacuated to australia, to portugal and other parts of the world and players such as myself who belong to the act. and i asked, friend that grew up outside of up can ascend, obviously still remain outside of the country. now the issue we're facing right now is, but because of the de facto government, our football federation, it would not be safe for them to restart woman's football. now, the solution to that wouldn't be that fee far as the governing body of football needs to intervene and be able to provide

a sustainable plan for us to return to sports in a safe manner in any way that no one would be effected. and in a way that we can insure the sustainability of arrows program and show that female updates and ask dan woman are capable. so now that is the situation as it remains, and we hope to find a resolution very soon for, for quite a he, hey, we got your, your own. i was a 0. yep. you're speaking to the women who, who can see is in, in afghanistan, women who aspire to, to, to play football. they, they loved the game. you know, they look up to you as, as, as a hero, what would your message base of them right now? my messages never lose health, life is extremely unpredictable, and we've seen at the time and time again, and i am optimistic that there are better days ahead. we all have to be in this together. and i think together we will find a solution to the issues that we are facing. let's hope so many thanks. indeed showing um it's ayesha chromebook issue and for chrome demo,

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