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country. following the assess the nation, the presidential candidates with none of the central state without just era of the development the high as i me. ok today on the screen, the founding director of boston university center, the anti racist research. a professor historian, scholar, new times, best selling also of how to be an anti racist and anti racist baby is in new york. make fine. i'll be good at everything as oh, so i go that. don't take it from x can be good to have you on this lovely to have you here. we're going to be talking about your what the challenges of spreading anti racism and the tools you use to do that. and we're going to start with a brand new book called magnolia flow, which is a children's book, which says so much, but also tell us
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a beautiful story. how would you describe that as well? any thank you so much for having me on it because this is a love story back. magnolia flowers is about an, an afro indigenous girl in, in, in florida, who is prevented from, from, from love and finds a way to, to, to, to fall in love. and maintain her love, but it's also a story about nature that the love story is told from a mighty river to a dancing brook. and n a n n and back no li, as parents one fled the trail of tears when native people were forced off their land. and another fled slavery. and so she, there's that this a star okay, element as well. in this webster, there's so much in the book if you go a little bit deeper, i remember when i was reading kits books and when i re read them as an adult, i realized that there was so much being
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a phobia in gene go is think behavior that i hadn't noticed as a child, but when i read back as an idle, i was horrified. so what we gave a young this to read is going to be so formative. so what are the lessons that i little one is not going to notice immediately, but when they grow older, it's going to impact how they see the well i think what's striking about magnolia flower is this girl grows up in what's called them a room community. these are, were communities during the and slaven era where black and native people fled slavery or even settler coils them and form their own sort of these islands are free of done within this past sort of seas of slavery. and you would think during these arrows of in slave man and, and subtler coils, i'm bet, everything was, was pain and bad people did not find love. but what you find in magnolia flowers,
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despite the pain and the violence. magnolia flower finds love and its dead love that actually generates the resistance of people to those harmful and oppressive conditions. i am going to be talking to talk to it from ex, can they about his what his writing, his approach to anti racism. and you could be part of that conversation as well, where on youtube, where i live right now, the comment section is right here for you to jump into a be part of today show. i am looking at some of the books that you have written. as for young people that start here with much nearly a flour, but if we go back for some of the others look good night racism. how to raise an anti racist stands for kids racism as race, simps them, and you and it goes on. no, no, and if you live in america, you will realize that these titles might be triggering for some americans,
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and they get upset that with young people. and we've actually any party that there is a way to look at the wells. the says we can do better, we don't have to behave like this to each other because we look different. how did you cope with that push back to what you did. and i think unfortunately that the pushback is, is based on an idea that's been disproving. and that idea that i'm talking about is, is that young kids don't see color, don't see race are thinking better or worse about people because of the color of their scan that they're interested in that way. and unfortunately, that's just not true. scholars have consistently documented all over the world that our kids as early as 3 and 4 years old. already attaching behavior to skin color, already thinking that people have more because they are more. and so what are we
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doing to counteract those ideas and, and, and that's one of the reasons why i'm specifically writing for children because i want every child to know that there is nothing right or wrong about them because of the color of the skin. and if there is any quality, it's not because a particular group is superior or inferior. i want every child to be able to see their skin color as part of the big human rainbow and be able to see its beauty just as they see. the beauty of humanity, the young we spoke to tracy baxley, she's an ofa and a professor. and she made a comment about how you make it easier for parents to talk to the children about racism issues. i believe dr. kennedy's work to shape the teaching of our children through the recent movement of parents willingness to learn. and we learn. dr. kennedy's work is aspire parents to be more reflective and thoughtful about their
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own live experiences and how those experiences really influenced the way that they show up his parents. many parents are more open to have a hard dialogue about being anti racist. and to have those dialogues with their children, very different from the way that they were raised with their own parents. wow. and, and indeed, that's precisely what i'm seeking and striving to do it. and if anything i, i'm trying to encourage parents and give them the tools to recognize that just as it's important for us to actively teach our kids, to be nice to share, to actively teach our kids about stranger danger, to actively teach our kids to look both ways before they cross the street, it's also important to teach our kids to be anti racist and that is actually protective for them to know and understand the racially quality. so that when i
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dears, try to convince them otherwise they can save. no, that's wrong. i know we're all equals conversation on using that. we said what ada is thinking and she says it's very naive to think that kids won't reflect the parents part of this or the environment to do this. what examples if you see, and i know we've had little children coming out with things when you say, well, we know they had that from the parents. what if you have, what is the scene? the way i can remember my, even my, my partner, my, my wife's to because she, she tells a story when she was about 15 years old. and she grew up in albany, georgia and southwest georgia. and she was walking along a, in the area, looking for her dog. and she looks up at a, at a balcony area and sees a child. it's about 2 or 3 years old. and that child is glaring at her and that
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child calls her the n word and, and, and so and, and, and so, and course i'm sure we could all figure out where that child not only heard the word, but heard who to say it to. not only her who to say it to, but say it in a mean way, mean an inch. our children are soaking up what we're doing or saying, and that's why it's important for us, or to be diligent about how we're modeling our, you know, certainly what we're teaching. seeing is, is a phrase the see a is on you. she's watching us right now. she uses a phrase which has got a lot of the bank to the discussion around this phrase. but the see it says children are colorblind, as well. unfortunately, at scholars have have shown that as early as 3 years old, our kids have one scholar called an adult like concept of a brace. other scholars have found that, for instance, in the united states,
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our kids are attaching when they were better attaching sort of darker skin to ugliness, to its honesty, to other behavioral traits by 5 years old even more kids are doing so. so unfortunately, even though we like to think of our kids as color line scholars and scientists have consistently shown that that's just not true. yeah. even though brown and, and black children see brown and black as a by single or hay takes joseph by saying and that tiny little tiny's yeah. you, you have parents who a brown and, and black children who will tell you about that day when their child came home and said, want to be white, or their child call came home and said, i want blue, ours, or their child came home and said, i wish my here with strayer, that's happening right now. and those kids are 34, or 5 years old. all right, so what do we do about this?
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well, we actually have to counteract these are, these are ideas like i think we've been misled into believing that a racist idea is just too complex. yeah. for our kids to understand. but a, you know, an idea dark is ugly. that's a very simple idea that even a 2 or 3 year old can understand. so we have to actively teach our child that dark in light or beautiful. because unfortunately, they are going to hear a different idea. we want the 1st idea that they here is to, is to be that anti racist i. donald o collins is a visiting professor loyal that university. and he, he told about the complexity of the societies that we live in and how do we even tackle that huge ness of racism that surrounds us. not just in the
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us, but are many parts of the well, this is what he told us that. yeah. the question for you today is about how you conceptualize the term brace as thought and how you suggest that. since we all have raised those thoughts door, ok, so it's, it's somehow only in terms of interpersonal air visual races, but in the system of racism, dest, or press millions upon. ready millions of people for the last half or for millennia . so how do we fight systemic racism, not just individual racism, but systemic racism when to how. busy all conclusively, something that really has an impact, mostly on people who are not late. that's the, the, the, the very question that i was actually asking myself. and indeed people were asking me, which ultimately led me to really begin to emphasize to, to people all over the world,
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is that we have to think about how we can be anti racist. what that means is, instead of thinking about, okay, i don't want to be racist. we should start actively thinking about how we can be anti racist. what i mean by that is, how can we go about internalizing ideas of racial equality? how can we go about recognizing that the racial groups, despite the ways in which they may look different or even different ethnic groups that are racialize, may practice different cultures? how can we see difference as equals? how can we begin to see the problem is bad rules as opposed to bad people? this is enough taking in our firm it of spans to begin to understand and internalize racially quality and beginning to understand. but in equity is the result of structural racism which then will allow us to focus on eliminating
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structural rakes racism as opposed to spending so much time looking down at different groups of people. is this an individual way of thinking? is this how you know, i set out my day and i, i finish my day in this way. this is my view point on the wells to make sure that i'm being anti racist. or is this something that we have to ask of politicians and governments and school bodies? i actually think it's a bulk, i think if we as individuals are being anti racist, then we're gonna value people in positions of power who are being anti racist because for instance, if, if, if we are being anti racist and we don't look upon black and brown kids as intellectually inferior and we see black and brown kids are not receiving as much resources as let's say, why kids. we're going to see that as
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a problem. and then the next step is we're going to be like, we're going to start asking people in the, on the school board and politicians and others. why this in equity and resources? so in that way, because we're, you is, individuals are being entered races, we're going to compel people in positions of power are to be taught races to overbuilt them out. let me chevy some of the thoughts that happening online. um, some people are saying that if you are calling out racism you yourself a racist i am sure that's what the 1st time that you've heard that. what is the difference a team that's equivalent to saying that a that a physician who has been trained to diagnose cancer and has utilized a whole bunch of diagnostic tools to be able to clinically diagnose cancer that that when they then go about diagnosing cancer, as, as a physician did with me because i,
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i had cancer that somehow they have cancer. know, i think unfortunately we don't 1st recognize that racism exists nor do we recognize that there are people who are skilled and trained in identifying and describing and diagnosing indeed racism. and, and so i think that there are, there are people who, who imagine that racism doesn't exist. and that's a real racist are. those were essentially speaking about something that doesn't exist. but unfortunately, when we look out at all of the activities in disparities in our societies, that's proof of racism. a tad says as he's watching this conversation, always still going to get power to the media and continue on and on talking about race. it isn't a race issue in all caps, it's quite humbly and educational matter. the media will continue to split us
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is not blaming the messenger. well, i mean, i think that it's actually both in other words. so there are people who right now believes that let's say nations are asked nations in africa are disproportionately impoverished because there's something wrong with, with african people that nations in europe with this unfortunately wealthy are because there's something superior about the people in europe. and they believed that because of the media because of education because of what they had been told over the course of their life. and, and of course, we have to counteract that. we have to make sure that people recognize that europeans are not indeed superior to africans. and they say right, sent a question to you just a few hours ago and she wanted to ask, oh, where do we go?
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what is the point of the work that we do? if we are working towards add to racism issues, the only thing wrong with black people is that we think something is wrong with black people. dr. katy, thank you for your service. that quote, was a quote from your book staff from the beginning that i use and a 2020 came out to come to you today through the lens of a black mother who is an educator rating to joyful, peaceful, brilliant, powerful black children. when you think about your work and becoming an anti racist, do you see that as the destination? or do you see that as an indicator towards the path of becoming pro black or for black children and all aspects of the work that we do? actually i see it as, as a waiting station, i don't necessarily see being anti racist as, as the destination. i see it is almost a journey and, and what i'm hoping is as,
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as people move along that path, i guess black people strive to be anti racist. or the more they are anti racist, the more they will value themselves, the more they will value black people, the more they will fight for the liberation of black people. and the more they will fight for the liberation of human kind. knowing that if they literate humanity, they'll liberate black people. you know, that is, that is the hope and, and indeed i'm, i'm, i'm thankful for, for, for educators like you, you know, who are on this journey. i am thinking about where we are in the united states right now. i'm sitting in washington dc, so i'm thinking about the us and how in the past few months, the past year books have been up to ground books is ideas books about anti racism, books about of being inclusive or different kinds of children or different kinds of
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people and on the list of banned books, your books pop up quite regularly in january, out of 0, this report, i just increased by the last comment. you'll see in this report and just bounce off the back of the cohen atmosphere within which you are working. let's take a look at the report festival. a bottle is waging its school boards across the united states. i'm sure we've got hundreds of people out there that would like to see those books before we burn them. books deemed to be sewing division in the classroom by republican control boards being reviewed by authorities, some of being removed from the shelves. i don't know that any advocate who has been working on tracking and paying attention to the freedom to read can recall the time with the same book was removed or targeted with such vitriol and haste. in so many places all over the country at once. and then the involvement of politicians,
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the state legislatures, governors, this is categorically different to the business. next level is it is, it is next level and, and indeed, at the same time it's, it's indicative of other periods and in american history. i can remember as the abolitionist movement in the united states started to grow. and the $1830.00 is one of the ways in which it's slavers responded to the growth of the abolitionist movement. what's the ban abolitionists books? what's the ban anti slavery books was to prevent people in the south from reading about the horrors of, of slavery to prevent people from being inspired by abolitionists text. indeed, during the civil rights movement, there were efforts to ban books as well. and so unfortunately, recently as we've start to make strives towards equity and justice in this country
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. one of the ways in which there has been a reaction to prevent that, you know, has been the banning of books. that in some cases, at the source of those drives, well, i find educational informative about your work is that it's backed up by academic and scholarly work as well. you're not just watching your opinion, not just wanting your take as, as amount of color in america. for instance, if you go to my novia flour at the back of the book as a historical note, and there's an office note, and a, something that com and noticed when she wanted to ask you a question about your movement from one part of your what to another part of the work and how it informs the book. she's dr. katie, in your book, you write about the shift making the shift from doing research or research, say to actually having your research be used to improve policy. could you talk
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a little bit about that transition and shift for you professionally? so i mean, as, as an, as an academic, as, as someone who, who earned a ph. d. and to many cases, we are taught that the audience of our research or other academics that we're seeking to really advance the field itself and simultaneously advance our careers in the process. but i realized that at least for me, that wasn't enough, that i wanted to produce what i consider to be public scholarship. what i mean by public scholarship isn't scholarship. that is just known by the public but, but, but scholarship that can literally impact the lives of the public and in order for scholarship to impact the lives of the general public, it has to be accessible. you know,
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people have to be able to consume it regular every day folks. and so i'm committed to that type of work. just looking at some of the events that you've seen that you've been speaking to people and talking to the public and they're reading your books and enjoying your work. what is that and like to see people in a 9 waiting to see you speak? what does that say about you as a professor? scala historian, a go, dad. what does that mean to? i mean, i, i, i try to, to focus on, you know, on the work i am certainly honored that, that people are interested in and coming to, to, to hear me speak or to read my books. and i, but i'm also are to be part of a larger community of writers and thinkers. and scholars and active is interest every, the human beings who are striving to create a different type of world,
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you know, for our children, for, for, for elderly people, for us, all. and, and so i, you know, most, you know, it certainly is, is it is touching, but at the same time it almost inspires me, you know, to do more. and it also causes me to remember that i'm just part of a larger community. i'm just one scholar, you know, who's just trying to do this for me. they'll say abram x can be thank you so much for being on the stream today. we started talking about a children's book that you have written. it's cool. magnolia flower, it's buys or at new huston. beautiful illustrations by love is wide. currently available in old good book shops. they'll say from x can be thanks for being with us. thank you for all your comments and thoughts online as well. i appreciate you. i'm familiar. okay, i'll see you all next time on the stream. take everybody the
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