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live are welcome to the program. i'm the clock, a new era of co operation. that's how you as president joe biden has described his meeting with the lead as a south career and coupon at camp david in maryland. the 3 heads of state pledge to deepen the security partnership and the asian pacific. the meeting scene hasn't been to project units in the face of china is growing improvements in the region, a nuclear threats from north korea bay. jane has denounced this. i mentioned within hours had carried out drills and time in these waters. taiwan, accuse china of intimidation or japan, south korea, and the us condemned. it's dangerous and aggressive actions, so sub for it in japan and naples, but they've never been friends for decades. they've struggled to become deep historical grievances. let's look at the g. a political tensions of putting together. the biggest concern is china is growing incident and that includes the taiwan issue or

a bay gene claims the island is an entire trait and has not ruled out force to take it. the chinese military holds drills and the taiwan strait and, and his tie with these space which taipei says intimidation, south career and japan also accused badging, of aggressive behavior and territorial disputes in the east and south china seas then is north korea and it's increasingly frequent weapons tests, so missiles have landed in japanese waters and is accused of flying drains into south korea an aspect i will discuss this with, i guess in just a few moments. the 1st this report from car like history in the making a moment unimaginable a few decades ago. the 1st official meeting between the 3 heads, the state, and the sign of improve relations between south korea and japan. the senate appointed 1st, the us, the president, prays to pay for what he calls more than political courage. seem like i'm happy is because i am this is another great,

great meeting mister president. mister prime minister i uh, we made this a storage place to make a historic moment. and i believe that to be true. tokyo and so have a long history of hostility and fort relation since depends occupations on the korean peninsula that more than a century ago been a recent months. they've taken tentative steps towards resolution and his trends and ties with the us. thank you. the meeting at camp david was the 1st time far needed to visited the presidential retreat in 80 is an indication of how seriously the us leadership takes their relationship to they will feel you see for the 1st time, instead of on the sidelines of multinational conferences, we have held the trial after world summit on a stand alone basis with numerous historical meetings have taken place here at camp david's. and it is a huge honor to have turned to page and it's history. with this meeting,

it goes to $23.00 or a 100. how strong today will be remembered as a historic day where we established of the institutional basis and commitments to the trial actual partnership today, i hope we will explode together ways to innovate, cooperation between korea, the us and japan, to a new plane through in depth discussions on however, some analysts say the relationship between japan and south korea remains politically charged. china is an important trading and if for both and basing has already expressed displeasure with the summit. just are the teacher for being part of the coating. no country should seek its own security at the expense of the security interest on the other end of regional peace and stability. also, don't international community has its own judgment as to who is creating contradictions and increasing tension. split urgency in the white house says it's worked on the meeting for almost as long as president biden has been in office. and while he's made progress with previous administrations have failed,

there were concerns that with the 2024 election around the corner, any change in us leadership could bring a change of hot car leg inside story or let spring in august, nancy snow is a foreign policy advisor to the japanese government and professor of public deployment st. joins us from tech care. in london, we have edward house who's a public expect trip college ox with his research focuses on east asia security and korean peninsula politics. and joining us from washington dc is surely you a senior visiting fellow at the london school of economics. i certainly specializes in china is political economy. i will welcome to one of you and edward. i like to stop with you at some time, david, it is a venue resident with a history of a famous negotiations, if any of the bible describes a, symbolizing the power of new beginnings and new possibilities. i suppose it

demonstrates just how important this is to president biden strengthening the us positions as he sees it's in the, in the pacific. thank you. yes, i mean, this is on historic movement. the take to given what has been done by law actually in terms of us relations with japan on to us relations based sales career since the start of the by didn't the station. but i think it's really important that we don't get ahead of ourselves. yes, this is extremely significant. yes, this is an historic moment, but we still a long way to go, particularly in terms of the individual, but not for relations between took care and soul and wanting this a. this turned off for some, it ain't trying. cement is a much longer term framework as well. so that in the event that any one of the 3 leaders is in these come office in a big a news isn't next election. for instance,

these principles, these values, the shed commitments can still trying continue a pace, and this is all to the a t concern for the by this ministration with the upcoming us selection. next year you raise lots of points that good will come to those ethical is the next 20 minutes to say, but 9. see, i'd like to come to you at 9 see snow? well, this might be driven by the shed. perceptions of threats posed by china and north korea, but it's complex because it's not just about security and defense. you know, and i actually saw that the, for this historic summit, they should have led more with economics with sustainability with the discussion of climate change because it was clear that it was about cooperation and collaboration . and there was a whole popery of issues bite and mentioned having a youth summit amongst the 3 and the tri. lateral emphasis was obviously in

response to a try lateral competition. visa be russia, north korea, and china. but i say nomics should have been the up assess because living is i do here in northeast asia. we get a little uncomfortable with an over emphasis on security. it's a dangerous neighborhood to be sure, but the domestic populations in all 3 really are concerned more with the pocketbook issues and, and in particular in the us with the upcoming election. this could go arrive, although i am bullied by the, the interest that this has incurred across at least the global media emphasis. and i just hope that the populations domestically will pay more attention to both the defense and the diplomacy aspects of living in this increasingly

chaotic and complex world that we do monday the, the surely you, what's your perspective, how does beijing view this summit? and it's outcome the united states dependent south korea collectively represented 40 percent of the global g, d, p. as midnight, as you mentioned, e, 5, russia, north korea and in china where the carter party is here in terms of the economic competition. i'm not sure if it's even a symmetrical or comparative here. so the, the power of the allies is all evidence in these statistics. now this 3 parties have started, i think the station security and economic next those uh, according to the spirit of come david. they prioritized a defense security followed closely by discussions of economic security. but a couple of things are actually not worth

a. i thought did they have tone down the rhetoric so surrounding tie? once it started start the positions of the 3 countries towards type what have not changed and they support a peaceful resolution across the taiwan strait. and my last point is so at the meeting, although it did not, is so institutionalized the out the rise of the ation. they told however with the. busy our heads of state security, military meetings, and the annual military trail was i think it is a defect. so institutionalization of the emergence of the on a, you know, we'll come on to what about certainly i said, you talked about taiwan. the thing that you say it's that they've kind of turned on the rhetoric, but within hours of the summit to china and carried out drills in time in these waters, there will be a lot of symbolic gestures. so just as we remember very well with the speaker, nancy pelosi was flying to taiwan. so

a lot of these things are going to be both symbolic and the strategic in nature. they are not a that any physical i don't believe any physical or actual publication towards type one, but what you want them to come back on the strategies visa. yes, i mean, i think what's important is the trying this, the rhetoric of to take the institutional arrangements is being antique. china has also been applied to orchestra and also to the court for not for dialogue. i mean, i think a showed he's mentioned bolts key, is that in the comp david principal was needing to try not full statement. we see the us highlighting it's commitment to consult um in this tried call a tight relationship, but the biological relations between washington and so with in washington and to the main 1st and foremost power now. um, i think not so important. i think that was of a clear jashka from washington to a new show, but it didn't want to budge into saying this was any kind of filters. try locks was

a strategic alliance. or as one might say, a default to collective security arrangement is in effect, isn't it? it is what it, what it's doing is it's highlight st. stepping up. the comprehensive strategic alliance of the us, highlighted with south korea in the washington declaration early of this year. and is also crucial in both the way of the towing china and north korea regional sweats, but also for the us to reassure its allies of south korea and japan. and i think this balance between the towns and reassurance is particularly important and has been particularly important for the boys, if ministration and not so i'm sure you want to jump in on that, but also ask you, you said that there is too much emphasis on security but the point is that the summit would not have happened if it wasn't for extruding amounts of insecurity,

right around the world. the agent invested primarily by russia's invasion of ukraine. all right, and that did change the paradigm for japan when that happened. but i looked at security in a broader context because the prime minister, because she has really emphasized growing ties with ozzy on with the greater asia nations. and many of them are really agnostic about the conflict, the ongoing conflict, competition, whatever we want to call it between the us and china. they want to do business with those countries that are willing to help them, not just in a but also in growing their g d p. and so they have a larger plate of worries and they feel like they're getting caught up in this new cold war. and because she to, to has an ongoing conundrum with his own population. and that you had

the hiroshima summit, the g 7 recently. and so lensky came and, and, and so the discussion quickly turned to ukraine and, and russia, which is an ongoing conflict, but not the only conflict. and there were some of the he but kotia, the survivors of the atomic bomb who are rather upset that this piece city that is marketed itself as an international city of peace. that, that was sort of lost. i would add, as a public diplomacy scholar who was long, looked at japan's nation brand, a significant portion of the japanese people really believed strongly in their hearts in this specific brand, this piece brand. and so it's so hard, it's sort of threading the needle now. is japan wraps up it's defense and security . i'm not saying that it doesn't need it, but it has to be careful. it has to have

a marketing campaign of public information campaign with the japanese people and include of course, the korea and people invest as well. to show you to the is a piece brand is nancy put to is it more likely or less likely? following this summit? i think in the major development of the start, how that are relationships depend in the united states have not really changed what's made. the moments he story is really south korea's kid that's to a historic touch with tokyo. and so china is obviously quite caught off guard in a way by died it's fail since may. so i think up from the chinese public opinion, you know, a lot of stuff that the hawks have been driven towards south korea. so. busy change your path to choose and basically are trying to spans the style of the korean. can you sort penny solar essentially the endure hallmark of the tragedy of the 1st cold

war. so of all countries in the region, how could south korea, especially the victim of the cold war today, supports the code for 2 point. oh, edward, on to you on that one. a yes, i mean, i think the, one of the key things that we've taken out from this is a, this is a continuation of past effort protected by the self clean president. use up to y'all in his efforts to engage new hop personal with the tokyo. we saw this earlier in the year with quite a controversial maneuver with respect to compensating victims of forced labor and the conflict women from bank japan. um, next the clean peninsula in the early 20th century. so they susan, not for culmination old efforts, particularly by president ewing to try and punch off this relationship. and i just

to add on that point if i may, the language that we see in the come david principles and the tri locked will statement is very much reflective of south korea's own in the pacific strategy and self crease approach to value based diplomacy. and this idea of sold is that the pivotal state respecting, not holding the norms of the rules based international order. nancy, this, this, the tones, the faith and talking brought to tell us a little bit more about this mutual documented, if we could put it that way between south korea and japan where it stems from briefly if you would, and how much it is taken for both countries to, to at least for now it seems put it behind them. of this has been remarkable. i've lived here on and on since 2012. and when i 1st arrived, i had no idea really the extent of the acrimony, the, the sense on the korean side that the japanese had not fully apologized. not only

over the comfort women or sexual slavery issue, but also just in addition to the occupation of korea for so long. and i've traveled a lot to sol and i heard this firsthand, it was brought to my attention. it was not brought to my attention in japan, it's not generally talked about in polite company. now there's an opportunity beyond really the camp, david's summit for people in this region to engage with each other more in a, in a truth and reconciliation campaign that we all want to live more peaceably together. and perhaps this is an opportunity for that not to give her up to go to war, but rather to come to terms with how we're going to reconcile the past with the present . yeah, i share any given the i'm going to you between soccer in japan. up until now,

how fragile is disagreement and how may perhaps future elections change the dynamic of disagreement. and i think the story co hospitality with the or cost city to happened during the 2nd world war is profound in the region that that applies not only to south korea but also to china. i think it just takes another japanese prime minister's visit to the yes of 20 shrine for the war, dead of, for south korea to protest against a prime, a gun which will make a precedence you own. so a come david statement quite unpopular in south korea. and so i'm the reality of sides of japan. i really never of fully account for the world horseshoe atrocities . we understand that it's decades ago, but it's not for me as well as in china. i think the memories is so very much alive, but at the same time i want to say from chinese perspective, chinese not sit there idly watching,

you know this rise of the security economic next is on the east china neighborhoods. china is busy at the break. somebody in johannesburg and just about the rights of the time when the, the us broke, heard that they tons between just kind of south korea, china broker to deal between a saudi arabia and you run in today's audio radios being fast tracked to become a member to the night spent the breaks summit so we can see a ad. so the u. s. as starts to garner more support in alliance among the industrialized economies. china is moving very fast and massively across the developing world. right. interesting is edwards china focus on diplomacy beyond the asian pacific region, does us focus on the asia pacific region leave a vacuum elsewhere for that? enables china to grow its influence around the world?

on the one hand, by thinking you could say yes, but i think that since the post when the post for you um the us has tried to remain extremely committed to it. and so for the inside of the allies, um in japan and south korea and i think china is very, very aware of this. and i think one of the things to bear in mind is the ongoing, north korean nuclear missiles, sweat on how this has been changed and playing out in the wake of the provider says we see, but the united nations security council folding losses invasion of ukraine. so i think it in the us does need to continue focusing on strengthening its economic yes . but also security relations with its historic calloway as in northeast asia and i think tojo and so um would one of that as well they would well not quite clearly. yeah. nancy, is it based upon men crew in range of the north christmas?

all tests a female? because she does say that north korea at the thread is only becoming larger from north griff. how does this summits in the agreements? how does it fit in? how does north career fit into the and well, north korea continues to be the, the major irritant. and whenever the missile flies over japan, the, the feeling of being security here and the support for japan having some better capability in defense goes way up at the same time, you know, economic concerns are prevalent here across the region with inflation and, and incomes of staying flat and so people you know, are little bit wavering and their public opinion. and as i said with security, we need to broaden it out and, and north korea is going to continue to do what it does. and uh,

i think the us and japan and south korea working together, but also working within this region to try to dampen of a triggering some type of an accidental occurrence. that is probably the biggest worry rather than an intentional war breaking out. and also, and, and what's happening in the south china sea, it was interesting to monitor the summit and to watch the press or, and how buying and really play down china. he mentioned china the very end. but he said that this summit was more about cooperation and building cooperation in the region and less about taking on china and you know, militarily, so we'll see how this plays out. this is not a one off, this is supposedly going to be an annual summit amongst the 3. and this could be the beginning of something really quite special. but we'll,

we'll see in the context of elections how it happens. and every time they make note crew will be high on the, on the agenda. surely. how does china play the north korea? cod does everything kimmie? i'm going to have china is function. how does it look? it is interesting. i wish it clearly shows that in the north korean k start so new claire is jo political power because i present a bite and recently announced that he so willing to meet with the president can join one on one without any precondition. and also today, i think president biden made a remark that he looked for. busy a to meeting with the chinese president sheet in the later part of the year. so now they're trying to deal. busy as put the us in the stronger position, east asia, and i think the next the strategy is or perhaps more real paula cheek then additional. i think the

a bite administration's approach will be to approach of both north korea and china, one on one to try to negotiate based on of the real position of strength that he has today. but on the other points that you just mentioned about the power overreach of the united states, across all regions in the world. as we know, there are many, many tender jo political spots in the world today. but there is only one united states uh, using uh movies name. uh the us cannot be everywhere and everything all at once. um. so there are security batch is left essentially show, particularly after getting some uh, security backend left in the middle east. and now in west africa where seeing india and mar, uh, so china is uh, starting to fill in a lot of the security vacuums, both with it. so you cannot make footprints but also with some of the. busy of fi,

strategic and political presents as well. so i don't know if the us trop chain china within the pacific of china is moving elsewhere. and in terms of develop case influence said would, how would you like to come back on that? the yes, the following just may say about the most career aspect of things we, we must remember that north korea, particularly in the statements, is expanded by giving you a chunk of the system of kingdom then has made quite clearly, but it does not want to go to the indigo changing type law, either with the us or the south korea. and this has been a repeat of freak of the state back to the evenings rhetoric in the past weeks and months. so it's all for you well, on the bite and has made this outreach, but it takes 2 to tango and when north korea does not want to respond and does not want to come to the negotiating table, then we all want to know, impasse, and no 3 has been very adamant recently,

but it does not want to respond to any of the us is coy use, which is the word, does it use it? um, on calls from negotiations. i'm not something that makes the situation more talitha and it's something that needs to be borne in mind that well, very interesting discussion. everybody do appreciate your input set so we have time for so thank you very much, nancy snow, edward, how and show you. thanks very much indeed. and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again at any time by visiting our website out there a dot com. and for further discussion, just go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story, and you can also join the conversation on twitter or handle is at a j inside story for late in the clock. and the whole team here at alex is here. it is. the, the the

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