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other walk into the program. i'm to talk to you and peacekeeping mission, and molly says it's a tear or anything security situation as full as you get to speed up is withdrawal from the country. a week ago, 6 you and troops and dozens of fighters from an armed group were killed in a confrontations near the northern city of bath. the un is already in the process of wrapping up its operations. in june. the security council voted to terminate the decade long mission, announcing the $13000.00 peacekeepers would leave money by the end of the year. they followed requests from the military government, which accused in un or fading to act gains on groups. there is a diverse range of plas adding to the instability in money. so who all the different groups in what areas today control? well 1st as a coordination of, as was me. and so we'll see in may, which is a coalition of nicely to our, a groups there advocating for graceful autonomy and independence for a region of northern body known as, as what, that's where i just have

a history of grievances with the military. that governments which took past 3 years ago, it's a network of alliances in, for, and support. strange relations with format, colonial power from select the june to, to seek alternative backend, which includes most res, from russia's broadening group. along with the pro government fights as a number of other groups operating money, some of them are aligned with iso and i'll call you to a to and the complexities on the ground of hon. put the efforts to stabilize molly, set out in a 2015 piece deal. before we discussed the various elements of play with, i guess that's watched this report from carlock hacking the bags and heading home. the united nations peacekeeping mission in money is coming to an end. launched a decade ago. the operation became the u. n's most dangerous, the so called blue helmets to point to help the military flight on groups in the north. in june optic rubbing public descent and what the foreign minister

described as a crisis of confidence. the military government asi you and to withdrew its 13000 peacekeepers. do you and security council voted unanimously to drill down the forces off by the end of the year. please raise their hand as you do some dislike government accusations of un interference and counter accusations of wide spread abuses by soldiers. the head of the mission quoted, a success to hunt in manufacturing. i left the on the table until by monday the mission did a very good job with cost is not perfect. we worked with devotion, sincerity, and coverage, and we paid a high cost. 300 my colleagues have lost their lives and 700 were injured saving modeling. so we feel we have done a lot more. mark on molly's military, government disagrees, and believes the country is better off without the un. it's a ready sort help from russia's wagon, a group,

human rights organizations accused the mercenaries of war crimes. and they were fee, is that without the peacekeepers, things will only get worse. need somebody? yeah, a lot of me my the in the body and state and the body and we will try to take over those you in positions which appears to make sense. but given the context and the stolen piece of process, their presence may increase existing tension. a year ago, french troops ended in atria deployment, after a break down in relations between molly and its former colonial power. in the subsequent months, the groups have intensified their attacks. and extended their reach. cruise in neighboring the king of faso, anesha have added to regional instability and sofa. the west african block has failed to make good on its threats to intervene and restore order by force. with several parties now fighting to gain ground left behind by the un. it's the people

of molly to remain court in the middle car leg for inside story or in this trying to unravel the complexities of all this. joining me now or i guess and bottom. okay. we have moved to a condo, who's a former special advisor to the president of money. he's now executive director of this a hell institute for democracy and governance in ankara is of big way. are going to do a security on list focusing on west africa. and it's a whole for a frequently to get a security consultancy also empowerment co is fatima. and so let's go in security unless specializing in this a how i'm found, or the to watch a piece network in to about to a warm welcome to all of these great to have you with us at me, sir, if i could start with you. so if i may m 1st up, why does the money and government think the you enforce is subject to requirements? and uh yeah, thanks so much for having me here. and if i ever was, uh,

1st of all, we have to think about the position and also the role of the un mission in molly's and the arrival. and also the improvement of the situation in the field. and are simply after the military code in uh, 2020, and the 2nd in may 2021. we've seen another direction thinking by the 30 inches of the transition and especially in the midst of reactions in the field. so taking over the control of everything and get this, we're going to need the, as the dimensions is part of alpha concurring or recall coloring. all of these dates are we are to now good by and by the fall i remove goods. cool. i've got that are now has the signing of groups of the peace agreement. enough julia saw this much more bottle for data banker and they had this, they didn't want the uh, the power of the national army. so at this moment or not,

when expecting the end of the you wouldn't be seen in molly, in this amount of this situation. right. what it's about to happen is the fact some islands, august 2022. the french, the loss registries pull out of molly august 2023 year later, un peacekeepers impact. yep. is it not inevitable fatima that violent would and will continue to spiral. oh, hi yolanda, thank you so much for your patience. i think uh, it really depends. um, it would depend, how would they handle their of a different basis? because right now they searching you in a peacekeeping basis in the defense of the kind of my, i think the way the, the hand over the money in government will depend on how the violence, uh the, the process would be. now it is definitely to her, i think 1st of all, it is very important that the present, the process of the hanover of the different bases is very impressive when i mean it

gives you, i mean, having like a very intense discussion with the un mission and the government at the same time also having will start session with the arabs because they like that basis. that a key maybe sensitive basis like uh huh. that's at least and i don't know those other pieces do business that i don't really feel like they want those places. and i thing like what we do like every address in hanover, we don't really haven't collected fund sensationalism. i'm. it's my age of violence, hanover and it's, we're not the see for the see, millions. so i think before we go to like the next hanover, which is to that is what really happened in september. i think it will be very important for the money in our me thought demand government. so i've had to sit down the to the say my,

and know the permanent dependence. and we'll look to see how they can really talk and see how they can have the acronyms you follow. do minutes my head. it will then was basis. so i've seen the word fuck fight. i'm a is all the way. i, 1st of all, do you think such a sit down conversation between the, the ministry leadership and non groups is likely. and secondly, how serious do you think the situation? it's yeah, it's a very serious situation and it sends a withdraw camino smart or is it a lot of questions? well, how many of us would you progress a specific or to the home kind of uh yes, uh this, it looks, it has happened since the, the are just process documents including the agreement. there would be another consultation on those so that it's the lead. so the new constitution, so i think the government, those have access on some from us maybe to me, see the eyes of a vis disrepair about rebels. so it kind of it come this costs you circumstances

with the rebels. i mean, so the is small. okay. but when you and pull out who will take the place in suddenly the who will take the place and in the barracks and stuff will depositions to yeah, i mean the doctor's name, the question on this one does, it is literally only about money now. also booking, booking across the us, well we just withdrawals annoying the size of the, of the, um it's a, it's a huge challenge. you know, i mean, i mean smart with about 1717000 strong. how does a lot of sources mind you before? we didn't mean this month, we drove there was the, the closure or the drug, donald french troops on up or something by and by. com. so it's about $5000.00. so we did one year looking at we got about $20.00 to 2000 in the right. so doesn't mean we mean same. it's on the buckle feet between missing malia and i'm unable to control. that's the issue to go on. i think for molly, at this moment is leaning more towards russia. the good thing is guessing we're

going some rush out due date is also performing the services of providing them. however, there is no with russia kind of a bargain. i can provide the amount of forces to blow up the big because you know, hostile recruiting from within the population. so the make up for the, for this a shuffled. right. and we'll get onto the document just a 2nd but me. so i just wanted to ask you before that at, you know, this is the point is that this vacuum is going to be left by the you and it's, it's several 1000 forces at who will now acts as mediation once they've gone. yeah, so i just sort of big come back to squeeze the under pointing to just mention that because i'm sure the do not. admission is about 17000 people, but more than 60 percent of them, other people will not get into the filters, even though it's been a lot of others. i've done that and working very defensive areas of development and as community support system to be developing program. so that maybe even the

government of molly thinking go in the united nation mission, is doing things which would not ask them to do isn't one thing. this thing i'm think also in the body around over the rice moody small, the un mission book. by the molly, it has to be clear, they should keep this back to the government of model. whatever happens even though the thing is not the right way. but when you take it beside the management of julia in 2016 all the time in group lies the serenity and the independence of model. so this is one point, so it will be going back even though this, when the agreement was signed in every position, the position. so that made the, uh, the form it reveals through what to buy, to dial in other places enough in region. so that makes them like there was a couple of different areas, but when the reason is if the, the winds growing,

so all of your sleep big bags and box to the government. so whatever the bill in groups are not going to accept that all day. they just waiting to accept that so, so that's why i did say we shouldn't have like an hmo revision between miles to sit down and also recently implemented the from the groups from 2000 and mentioned, these are the how in new positions between my going to sit down and say what to be the next step because they have agreed to and the problem is given not more than enough in regions is much more pleasant in the center where we have more to is daily basis than enough in the region. so that means the pressure that means been bending the irishman of the size of the struggle of the conflict is, does not even bother the 100 present to get to nothing urgent. but now how do thing large and things be including everyone in this conversation. so we have

a piece. okay, uh, let me bring it in for tomorrow at that point to if they are all these discussions and negotiations advice. so i'd have to bring something to the table and, and if the government say that they wants to take over the, the old un positions, what are the groups going to get more to and what's the side of the bargain? yeah, actually that's why i mentioned early on that sitting down because right nowadays, no dialogue between the between the groups and the government. and i thing when they sit down and actually talk to in fact they can come home to appointment. i remember. but and you said i can't find a way, but i think it's easy to say that forgive me, it's easy to say that isn't it? but yeah, when i get them or to yeah, i'm going to come to the point of see what few weeks they look. there was a implemented case on social media and say like one of the demands of the items that i'm aware did not include fees to open it. i don't do or asking for a release of some of the prisoners and, and my husband am i gonna have to do the really need someone to present or is the

deadline? is that hell of this phase security even when took it out of just got to the i'm root and they have released some of the prisoners. and the 2nd request the was changing the minutes of reconciliation, which is like a bit of sensitive demand. and the 3rd one was actually they have been since they haven't jumped at the constitution. so they wanted the government to actually cancel it or even see how they can open it back. and i think was 2 dimensions. where like when the government and i are very skeptical and i see, whoops, they can find a way to sit down and see how they can find a plumbing argument on those 2 demands. i think they can uh uh, come up with a solution and i don't think the solution would be coming from like an international mediation or anything like that because it didn't work. it's happened before i go. yeah. cuz i remember i did it being like most haven't been like like infinity efficiency in, in thing like the day oh,

between the government because they have been cut off. it's been lost now and they don't need so. so i think the important as the most i said you have like an extra internal conversation. the governments need to take the initiative and unable to actually sit down. and so i'm gonna see how they can not to the table. that's the big way. what do you make of that? the fact that we could turn it around and just say out of this, this pull out to there is an opportunity. there's an opportunity for discussion, a challenge for it. you also think resolution uh, is it like me? is it possible, do you think it's, i think it's part of the part of the previous week, itemize it the request, the that the time groups a meeting. why don't why, who really understands how this process is really good news that the government really, at this point has to make concessions because you, you, you really,

i'm the very difficult position regarding the withdrawal is such a huge amount of, you know, pricing pop up with you and you don't really have witnesses who do have the, the mom parkins to block the pickup. so at this point, it's how so really feasible that little on these are going to make that and they're going to go to the log in. you have to make concession. so for this, on the dps sick on pointed by the minnesota comes to frequency. additionally, again, that's very sensitive like domestic, i said, but maybe you should because the alternative is going to be very depressed isn't i think that's, that's the point that kind of distress and of the fact of it is if the situation is not complex enough. now we bring in the wagner madison, raise, what is the mandates and what do you think that presence on the ground does to the whole situation? i mean, the money, the money and government have never equal denies have the abstract that is lacking

. there they always, today's was days of instruction risk instruction that you know, under the growth. and i think the nature of the russian ministry under the growth of difference from the nation, that the, when was doing the un really was working on community based dialogue with different community. the more like having you, you money to an access in places that the money and government cannot have access to. and i don't think that the russian military wouldn't be able to how money on that. and that's not even been an issue of them. and that for that, so i think right now is the way the, it's like for the government to come out with this type. did you on how to actually fill out the guy? do you mind telling him that, like for instance, the accident that happened in bed having like a is very weak. the impact response from the government will actually have to do is like communities to have access to your money to you and how. and i think

a few weeks ago they might end up middle have kind of lost label funds, which is like 500 them, you know, the funds to help like for me to like to die. amen. i kind of, we need this like community based programs. so that organizations that are working on humanitarian, they can give them funding so that they can actually book what we need to be around the 1st time with a developed domestic raises. you know, back to my question, how are they helping the situation that i'm say the mission. i love this in the military that for military uh, for ration. so they're not there to how long do you mind to you and apart. so definitely my government responsibility to, to, to work on that. okay, reset. what, what's your view of the, the wagner position here because it said that civilian casualties have more than tripled since wagner forces with deployed tamale in late 2021. so how are they

helping in any way? the piece equation and uh, 1st of all as, um, i believe said officially, the government said there is no wagner. so even though the menu sort of putting it for the rush, i said buckner has been mounted. i would say i would go with the russian center. so tell me what exactly did suggest in industry you, you're getting really borrow for in that said, the 1st of all of the not bringing any you might survey and support because been not here for that. and secondly, they are doing a lot of human rights abuse. and we have heard is from a lot of victims directly from the field. i have personally not been there to uh to, to double check, well verify buttons. we receive this same way as i did not know record of that on file. so i will not implement even these by the way people are moving from the places and the way that people are living them on philly. just because of that. and

because of all human rights abuse from the partners of the national army do that, they were getting bad that on say they this rational as center gross. not bringing any kind of support to the piece we building right now. and also going to feature because i deeply believe even the way we build a piece, it depends on how we do the conflict. so the way things that are happening, it would be really hard for equations and living together in the same day, realizing where these guys are acting. the thing is me. so the way we do the conflict as you put it, it, it's not being done in a good freshman any way. is it because according to us extra state, i just need blinking. many of those tests that i talked about, where were the results of operations conducted by molly and forces along side

members of the vault and a group? or yeah, definitely because of the end of the calculate what to will not move to work, you know, or may not, will not move to committed to the new shift bid of the city is when the remainder has been seen in what a set of people. so if there is like an illegal, i mean the worst situation everyone can find each other, but here's the key or it kind of fall human rights abuse. read it points, it wouldn't be really hard for people to understand the individual for the, for, to build a really strong and lasting piece. that's why i say the weight it to conflict because counseling is not like at the end of the day, some of those will be no more than a day. big difference, a lot of these companies now, we're not fighting another mission. the company is happening between brothers, between sisters and whatever they misunderstanding good day. however,

because the dates, it's a very important to keep this in mind like i put in conflict of the beast, however, would get it would be living together and the families as brothers and sisters. okay, let's put in the house a little bit of away. what are the dangers of this combusting regionally given the, the deepening deeply on settling nature of things right now in the chair and elsewhere. so yes, i think it's, it is very close out. does the, my learn government does not lose peoples things us. we are seeing isn't this massive drill down of, of troops for me knows my about teacher though. and that is because one of the quotes the bids most recently had to groups in this i have it probably called till i barely don't. which is it tried both a between marlene booking up also on on your, on the right. now really something between molly, i'm looking at both is very good. if you're doing tiny image, it takes a console or this spa v. of course. uh, because of the support, the, my number possible providing mind they might,

they might be very into just stick to us for mean something. mm hm. okay. and what's the last not doing times for us because the districts, the, the 5th trans, not not child semester and also destiny. so which ones have to be johnson? i shall know. the issue of success, somebody's in law separate isn't a model, is, is, is it, is it local issue is that we send the boat in addition to that issue of towers as well? well, present anything in the country. so molly can not necessarily use people booked into the house, will find in ways to ensure that both the diplomatic political process is we being money within of is going to to groups. it is with 100. what are the same time it has the military capacity gives music up possibly with the money, and also extend on the community corporation with regional conscious particularly my 3rd book came across on the year to ensure that they continue to come down on the service. okay. and that's the reason because it didn't don't,

then the situation seduced to me wouldn't be, you know, mean useful compared to what the economy in coming to is. yeah, so that's very troubling. is that the fact that it is a complex web of interest in the alliances in malia and in the region to say the least in throughout to that money itself is had a ministry governments since 2020 the leadership is valid to restore a civilian governments. do they were on cost for that to happen? oh yeah, i see the uh we, we, uh we, we have done the dish or the 1st harvest thing, which is organizing like duty from dogs. and i'll do my in government have a new institution. and a few weeks ago, they had a meeting with all the up or you to go after is to discuss on the deadline of when they should be organizing the election. i think i don't like the assistance for seeing where like, i don't like the political party. so part of the meeting for 15 percent or 15 of

them well, a weekend like postponed the organization of the election, which was supposed to be in march to another. these a 40 percent away, i'd like to know. we have to organize the next on the march. so i think right now it is a discussion when they actually finalizing the date of organizing the election. oh, i think that's the key. lots like been defense to say that they are going forward. i think there's a chance that they might actually organize the election and give follow up to like as you then after all right, both a valid old times out to do appreciate all your perspective. thanks very much to i guess the music on the overweight griego and fatima alonso thank sir and very much indeed and thank you for watching. you can see the program again at any time by visiting our website i'll just or a dot com. and for further discussion, just go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversation on x

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