questions about the future of the cool after the mutiny, the feels mutiny. what would it mean for wagner and its activities in bella? ruth, for example, or even on the african continent. but i think this could be the power play that moscow had been looking to engineer, right? they, they were going to have to re brand the group in some way while still keeping the groups activities very much a part of russian foreign policy. bosco needs the fact wagner group, and wagner needs the crumbling. and so this could be a way for putting to reassert control to eliminate any lawyer list, including pre goshen, those that were, you know, part of the, the aborted new new york, who there's reports that demetrius can, was also on, on that plane. so this could be a way to wipe the slate clean. keep you know what bag or dose in place and install new leadership. that's totally apply it to vladimir, putting in his inner circle right after them. you need the russian defense ministry wanted wagner forces to be absorbed into the russian military. but as we know

precautions and some of the soldiers, in fact were, were opposed to this. what do you think is going to happen to those forces? now, the forces that are not necessarily in ukraine, i think, but in bella rules, for example, that's, that's a great question. i think that's what's on the minds of people the world over from dc to london to st. petersburg. i think, you know, there's a lot of speculation that will happen next. i'll just say this, and i haven't heard many people mentioned this so far for goes and had a lot of people that were loyal to him in wagner. and so this move could be extremely unpopular and couldn't risk further attentions between the, the individuals that were part of that, that 1st a board meet me and the regular forces the rest of the military. so the story may not be over. we could see further civil strife within russia. okay, thank you very much, calling kok for talking to us about this. we appreciate your insight into joining

us on alger 0818 g m t 9 pm in moscow. and we've been covering this breaking news story out of russia where the founder of the vitamin most and every group you have gave me per goshen, has been listed as a passenger killed in a plane crash between moscow and st. petersburg. this is, according to russian officials, they say the jet crash in the tv or region north of moscow. 7 passengers and 3 crew were on board the craft, which was en route from moscow to saint petersburg. now we see multiple videos posted on social media, appearing to show the jet on fire again. you have given you for goshen, the chief of the wagner missionary group, set to be on the list of the passengers off that plane. let's bring in daniel hawkins in moscow. who's been following this breaking news for us over the last hour? bring us up to speed daniel. 4 of us were just joining us now. as of the latest

developments and what happens, what we know. the latest news coming in just a seconds of seconds ago was that the 2nd plane that was registered to use can you prove goes and also flying out of most go to st. petersburg, woodson. so allow, had been flying in a peculiar putting basic payments. the exact problem over there was some capital has landed in moscow airport. um we don't know who was on this plane. we don't have access to the passenger list, but if that wasn't shots, the precaution was physically aboard the 2nd plane. well being in the passenger list of the 1st plane, we'll find out very, very soon. that's a, that's going to happen. um, regarding the 1st claim that has come down, this was a private jets registered to you is going to production of as well as the flag from us go to st. petersburg and it came down in the theater region. why witnesses said

report tearing at least 2 loud bangs before this plane came down and brought it to services. and looking at the 2 theories, one, some sort of explosion on both the across. another theory being discussed in the rushing media as we speak is the work of ad defend systems. in the region, 10 people killed 3 of them. crew members uh, at least 3 of them. crew members, whether gordon was physically pulled up, plane will find out in the near future the cause of that price though, at this point is speculation and emotions and services that officials will need some more time to provide clarity on that. yeah, so no official confirmation as to what caused the crash. but as you say, at least 2 theories including a one of an explosion on board. the 2nd paint, which you mentioned, as you say, has landed in moscow and what, what's been the reaction to this? and marcia, very curious because it was quite interesting. very early on. we heard that you have any precautions name was on the list of the past. the plane,

the passenger list of the claim that went down. absolutely, i mean this is a major, major news in russia given b a, the amount was the amount itself time you're going to produce. and a spends him a spotlight in the media over the last 2 months. he was a keyboard, the key x to in historic events in russia. the 1st attempted many would say mute city to, to tall. and so to use. same set tanks appeared on the bridge just behind me here, 5 on the white house. a lot of speculation off the events took place as to what would happen to have. can you precaution whether you will be in prison, whether it be sent into effect of exile and betters, while a lot of his wagner fights is all now based on our training the by the russian army . yesterday he appeared in the video of it. i forgot we are the, when the video was recorded, obviously, but that video, so excited yesterday production saying the bulk devices are doing what can you not

forget defending russia's interest, some helping. as all the correspondent measurement mentioned, africans be freed from weston exploitation from west the me, a colonialism. and so it was evident that he still had a key role to play a full russia and most of interest. remind our viewers, all of who you have any promotion was oh is, i mean, this was a man was very close to vladimir 14 at one point. absolutely. he was nicknamed the media as putting ships because his company called cold the catering company repeatedly provided catering services for the criminal. he was a close out of close comb with all the foods in a full decades. he was made as far as him through various business fences. his biggest benson was of course, found in the p. m. c. a. box, a ministry company. they made

a name for themselves as we heard earlier in syria and africa, but really came to prominence during the you find conflict when they took the city of bus moves and really established themselves as rushes most lethal flushing force in that conflict, things came to a head on the 24th of june, and it's worth mentioning today, of course, is a 3 months to the day soon starting to use any took place. this plan has come down them 3 months, but of us re to the day of that meeting. and that's really when things got out of hand and he marched out on moscow taking over the army hits to enroll stuff. a major city of a south of russia before bought abruptly turning back, standing down for them, negotiations with the but a russian president. and the effect to leave disappearing for some time from the public light. now he was spotted, uh since then he has been supported as a sign up for craigslist is been supported in russia with pulls images of tim at some petersburg for a meeting for convicted phrase. so it's safe to say he was still present in russia

. he was still doing business dealings in russia and what's uh, what's, as i say cool, is this fresh. we'll have to wait for official confirmation with just speculating this page and of course waiting to see who was on board. that 2nd complaints like 10 minutes ago. and there was some gap indeed. thank you, daniel, for the moment, daniel hawkins in moscow day as dining was saying 3 months after the fail due to me by the vitamin imaginary group. well is chief you have gave me per goshen is said to be on the list of a pain that went on between moscow and saint petersburg. crash killed 10 people. now the public power military grew back. know was founded by the russian business. man, you have any for goshen in 2014. after the russian antics asian of crime in wagner forces were recruited by president putin to join the war and ukraine. they were heavily involved in helping russian troops capture the eastern city of back mode for the ocean regularly, criticize rushes approach to the war. and on june 24th of on 5000 wagner shows of

waste. as we've heard, advanced towards moscow with the aim of removing the military leadership, but they stopped off negotiations with the kremlin members of the group have been fighting in africa style region for years now. and the wagner chief has recently been in molly, as we've heard from daniel, had been recruiting fighters to quote, make the continent more free. nicholas hawkins, i corresponded in west africa, is joining us from the capital, the car. of course, wagner in the news a lot in west africa, especially with the recent closing. molly in new jerry, even more recently and booking a fossil, how is this going to be viewed? if indeed it's confirmed that he's died? how will this be viewed by the military to ships in these regions? these countries once as well? well, it's certainly not going to walk or do. and in the capital of the central african republic bank, the there is concern because when i was with the back in

a group in the central african republic, you could sense from the architecture of the way if he's wagner's mercenaries operate, operate is very much from top to bottom, if their leadership is out, then that will have a fall out effect on those on the ground. and there was a fight or spent the wagner's because the mercenary activity is just the tip of the iceberg of wagner groups operation, africa. they're also involved in information helping a june test in the region, propagate their information to the region. we saw him in bath, which is just outside of 10 book to just a few just last week where there's a video with films of him in military fatigue, holding a gun and saying that he was there to free africans from arm goose think dealt kind of nice so, but also from other actors. and what's really important when i met with the,

with the back in a group in central african republic, but with the official from the values group told me, is russia is back in our for good. we have to remember the value group has been essential for moscow to reassert its presence and in effect, or to to, to put breakfast atmosphere of the cold war on the african content with countries having to choose either your with the west or either your with rush shot, but the timing of his address, a visit video that just came out just yesterday, almost overshadowed. vladimir putting who was talking in johannesburg during the breaks. somebody didn't just the same day progression decided to release this video . and that's really an issue there's, there's always been an issue with governments in the region and leaders who or are they dealing with, are they dealing with moscow or with a private mercenary group? how much is wagner's? how much is the value group? have the support right of the russian state and, and the if,

if it's confirmed that he is that he's been killed and who has been killed to will be very important for those that have a stakes with the bag. and especially in bama code where we've seen 2 big ants enough airplane land with arms and, and fighters just a few days ago with promises of more help for molly in a country that's dealing with attacks from armed groups going that have asked the biggest the un peacekeeping force to withdraw, hoping that the russian bag newer would step in and replace them and say, the timing of this plane crash is quite significant coming a day after you've got any pre goshen release that video and also 3 months to the date since the field mutiny by providing the missionary of pope in russia. now, do you think this will cause that you've covered this region extensively, west africa? will this cause if it is confirmed that you have any for goshen,

has indeed been killed? will this cause countries like molly booking or fossil even usually have to some extent. i mean we've seen it during the recent uh, cool pro and anti cool protest senior russian flags being waived and so on. while these calls countries out of embrace washer and embraced precaution and the wagner group to we consider as well, the value has been very successful to foster into a profit from this anti french sentiment that's sweeping the region. and that's not going to change the, unless this is address this issue between the former colonial power france and the presence of its forces on the ground and the deteriorating security situation less that's address. well, the, the, the, the issue with a,

it's really, there's a relationship of west african countries, but the west will continue to faster. but the russians and the value group appeared as a viable alternative to the west for many countries in the region. and it gave african states a greater hedge to negotiate both with the west, but also both with the russians. so it was, it is in the interest of countries such as molly, but also san diego, in other countries in west africa, to have multiple players to deal with, to have multiple partners. i, i spoke to the foreign minister of molly just a year ago, and you told me, listen, we can have any partner that we want. we don't want our diplomacy dictated by france, a former colonial power. if we want to deal with russia, if you want to deal with a vacuum group, that's our call. so if this is true, if the good gene is dead, if this is going to, to really be challenging for the leadership in these countries that have really put

all their eggs in one basket. this is the, the russian fighters to try to deal and to stem out at the, the, the number of attacks by arm groups thing. tell kite in i. so the prime minister of molly that told down to the right that there is no peace to king for the un peacekeeping force that their mandate is not adequate. and so these russian fighters offer a better alternative. sure. there is human rights relations. there is a torture killings in rape, but for according to the military, june tide molly or in the central african republic, they bring results where the west has failed or where the un peacekeeping mission has failed. okay, make. thank you very much for that. nicholas hi, drive there in the car, sent a go 1815 g m t 915 p. m. in moscow. and we are following this breaking news story out of russia in the last hour or so over an hour. now they have been before,

so at least 10 people have been killed in a pain crash between moscow and saint petersburg. this is according to russian emergency services. now you have gave me precaution, the head of the russian wagner, mercenary group, which led the field mutiny in russia about 3 months ago now actually is listed among the passengers of the spain crash, corresponded. daniel hawkins was telling us a 2nd ago that a 2nd plane has landed in moscow a 2nd page, which was apparently involved in this whole operation. what has founded in moscow? uh, let's give you a bit more information. not about you have any precaution and the button, the mercenary who, his all just there is dimitri method, ankle with more real good products. you have any pre goes bruce to power and russia from humble beginnings in st. petersburg. after being jailed for 9 years for robbery and fraud, he became a hot dog salesman. and then the man known as putin's chef,

his catering company hosted events for foreign leaders as well as president vladimir putin, his private birthday parties. it wasn't until 2022, the precaution admitted that he had found at the wagon a private military company 8 years earlier in eastern ukraine. he previously denied all connections to the most scenary group and suit any one linking him to walk that the most marries are illegal in russia, but precautions close links to putin and russia's elite allowed him to bypass legislation and gave plausible deniability of any involvement in operations of a seats, as well as ukraine. the wagner group has been links to military operations in syria since 2015 and aiden government's combat revel groups, and the central african republic, libya molly and so don precaution is also linked with existing military and political influence. and chad, mozambique and zimbabwe has been so successful as

a private, so military company that it has become essentially a franchise. and so you have different, really, very distinct organizations that carry the same brand. it was an important force and rushes invasion of ukraine, including the assaults on some of the n commute precautions commanded up to 50000 troops and ukraine, mostly recruited from russian prisons and exchange for pub underlined his most. no, he's victories while playing down the role of the russian army to obviously put news, created precaution, regardless of a self made man. he spoke most projects to create a sort of a competitive alternative military for assuming usher to boost the effectiveness of the regular russian army for another 3. this related to and into open criticism with the golden didn't means his words and attacking defense minister said

h i go and chief of staff ability get us involved for under supplying his troops. well, not to walk away pretty pods up. we have a 70 percent shortage of admission showing. go garage him up, your ask them up. where, where's munition? look at them? the new movie that went back load was seized in may 2023. often more than 6 months of fighting the big ocean and his men took a passive roll and the kremlin began to reign in wide, demanding the group register and report directly to the army. the golden refused, and his confrontation with russia's military leadership reached the pointing point on june 23rd. when he was accused of the mutiny entry cents, reach him evident, go out as a right offer more on russia. as the wagner mercenaries go roll in the war in ukraine, less bringing rob mcbride, who was in key for as, as we've heard in that report, rob russia, wagner,

very crucial in russia is offensive in ukraine. talk to us about their role, especially in the bottles blackboard. a yeah, that's what i mean. this is being closely followed, hey, as you would expect uh, in ukraine reports of the potential a possible demise of your county for guys. and there is no love lost here, a full precaution and his fact the grouped him and his fights as have been see there's some of the more effective parts of the russian military credited with the taking the city of back fluids in the east. and these meat grinder operations, which, you know, totally lead to the, the depths of waves of wagner fighters, but of course of ukrainians trying to defend and hold onto to back move. so it is being followed very closely. it should be pointed out to the recently, there was a, an official statement from the a crane, you know,

saw it easy. it confirming the fact that at the moment, uh, anyway on ukrainian territory. uh, either a ukrainian territory itself or ukrainian territory that is being held by russian forces. there is no actual bog, the structure of the could well be full of wagner soldiers who are now serving with the russian military. of course it was this pushed by the russian defense ministry to i tried to cut the powers of bod there and get to the vault. the fight is to sign up for contracts with the russian military that elijah in pod said to this attempt to, to add 2 months ago. but to as far as bob structure is concerned, that doesn't exist. any wagner struck just now on ukrainian territory as far as ukraine, you know, so our, these are concerned, but that has ceased to be a strength in ukraine itself. although of course, the bond that does exist in bella roost, there is still the concern that maybe they could do such things along the board of

the northern border of ukraine with feller roost. and of course, the wagner. so just as we know are active through add to the confidence of africa and also there are reports that some voc, mr. troops have returned to russia itself. okay, thank you very much. uh for bringing us uh, the 1st reactions i have from uh, keys. i bought mcbride in the ukrainian capital. let's talk to calling truck once again. who is the director of research at the so fine group? joining us from pittsburgh in the us. thank you so much for being with us uh on this breaking news story. thank you for your patience. i, i guess you know, ever since the mutiny happened 3 months ago, you have any precaution in a way was a marked man on again, uncontrolled. whether or not he was killed in the spring plane crash, even though he's listed as being one of the passengers on it. would you be surprised if he's been killed? not at all. i think he's been a dead man walking since the board. it could. you just don't get to challenge

bottom or put in the russian system and live to tell about it. especially with the way that, that to unfold it. it was a very public way. you had russians out in the street and rust of ongoing, the other parts of southern russia cheering for wagner. it was a very big a front to the kremlin. and i think in my mind it was always a matter of when not if something like this was going to happen. tell us more about the group itself. wagner. and if for goshen is indeed dead has been killed. what will it mean for, for this most scenary group and who takes over the leadership? and that's a great question. i think it's going to be someone that's loyal to cyber putting in the kremlin. i don't think wagner will go away. the name may change the leadership, likely it's going to change, particularly as a precaution. and demetrius can have been killed. but it's going to be business as

usual in the saw hill in countries like molly central african republic, the share elsewhere. they're still trying to figure out what they're going to do and build a route to use that as a kind of staging ground. there's a lot that's in slots and rushes very close system. it's very difficult to get, you know, actionable information quickly. so we're just gonna have to continue to read the tea leaves stopped experts and figure out what's going to happen, but there's a lot that's going on. and we're going to see some major changes in the coming days and weeks. yeah. if this plane crash was not an accident, as a lot of people, especially in social media, have been saying what message is being sent to different and, and by home. yeah. well, i mean, when of high ranking individuals, dissidents, others that challenge the kremlin, that speak out against pruitt and they're, they're off and, you know, push to their desk out of windows. it's done in a very deliberate manner. they want people to know that that's, you know, who was behind it. and i think if this happens there, it's this,

it's the same situation. i doubt this was an accident. you know, i'm not a big believer and coincidences. given everything that's transpired, this was likely, you know, the real and availability here and, and we're seeing that again. if this is what we think it is, a few people will be surprised by precaution meeting is unlike this. in fact, most were surprised that it took so long. all right, calling, thank you for the moment. let's get the thoughts of our senior political analyst now modeling bushera who's joining us from paris. so a lot of information over the last 2 hours a lot to digest my one. first of all, your thoughts about what's going on here and are you surprised if it is confirmed that you're getting for goshen has been a no actually i wouldn't be surprised if nothing happened to him. you know, uh, individuals like that. i to hedge of companies like wagner, i usually live in uh, gray zone, uh gray areas, both of security of geography panels,

international relations and human rights. and usually whatever their role is, whether it is indispensable or not. they tend to be problematic in terms of human rights, in terms of a violation of human rights in terms of their role, uh for their countries in terms over there to talk to you if there's a more not show. right. and it's just one example, and it's actually the most recent example of such, most of your groups that we've seen around the world. and just as we speak now, uh, 40 another motion that a group, a short, rapid deployment force is in the middle of the civil war in she's done. it's actually instigated by that motion that a group that search for years in the human for money. and now we'll see and get to do what it does is to done black water in the united states and sold enough gas, huge new records of human rights violations. right. another of course,

it's short and ukraine, africa and so on. so usually would say the magic would turn against the magician in the sense that the, someone like that an a company like this would be living in a dish to zone. no matter what. clearly he crushed and the red lines would function . right. and after them use me, my one after that fails, cool. 3 months ago to the date. in fact, it was a lot of talk about vladimir 14 being weakened, losing influenza, and so on. would you agree with that? today? was 14 at the weakest. this is the, this is the thing about the grey zones, right? and that's why actually started with that because when it comes to stage, some part of me is and so on, we know that there's some transparency, we know some accountability, we get some sort of a balance to, to short because states tend to be in the process of how to practically, or to have to answer to some bureaucracy or so while most americans do not. and

that's the whole point of nursing. that group specified something used motion that a group. that's why bush uses black water because it's a great area and they use them in a sort of, um, you know, suspicious kind of miners to serve the interest, but the withdrawn against the country to try. so in this case, it became so right not clearly very old and the water view queen and the field of resentment, their feelings of betrayal. that they weren't left alone and buttons and that the defense ministry and the military did not actually give them what they need, just like we've heard from others. in other situations. award source seem to easy to turn against whoever is thing, but because these are by definition motion, that means they do not belong to the offices of the states. again, just do that for me just to widen the discussion. so we understand this very

particular teela wagner. i remember having 15 conversation with the heads of black hotel in washington. and when i asked him, you're supposed to be at frontier, why are you working for the chinese or what do you moratti's? i'm sure for that matter. started switching, these people were for themselves, 1st and foremost. and in this case, this man and his group felt betrayed by the russians in your brain. and the resentment was so deep that they had been decided to march on the go as you remember, right? so in a sense, this was not going to be forgiven by teaching. and what about these countries that have been braced? most scenary groups like 59, i'm thinking of countries on the african continent right now, molly book, you know, 5, so new share. what will this mean for them and, and will there be, consider you think their deposition, these are these mercenary close? this is

a very good question because we thought after the walk and after the demise small relative to the mice, at least in the public opinion of the likes, of course, or that the what i've heard the end, the russian that is the exact opposite of happened receiving more emotion that he's doing more tasks out of the world that ever before. and you know, what are we talking about? why don't we talk about actually fighting the grounds, but much that is not where there is also fights, you know, in cyberspace. and there's a whole companies of motion that is working for government saves for this information. so these are different types of north studies, but it's own involving countries or stage, or governments outsourcing shade the tasks and activities to do for once or then or more on a private level showed that they wouldn't be as accounted. so in that sense, rather than to get to work the hard work also for russia and ukraine is what i was

one of the africans should be, it should not allow emotion that is on the territories. but of course some autocrats and some dictators you just mentioned that he's for personal prophets and we've seen that in so done. we've seen that in other parts of the word right. motion is will use to protect and to defend and to fight for. for example, gold mines, right? so it's a really shitty area and you would want those kind of activities to, to stop. not only for how much they buy the human rights and how much they are outside the legal system. but also the always in the joining against their finances . how i'm thank you very much for your thoughts. mountain bushera is our senior political analyst to 18. so to one g m t, you're watching ology 0 and continuing coverage of this breaking news story out of russia, where the most scenary chief you have guinea for goshen. the head of the wagner most nary cool, has been listed as a passenger on

a private jet which crash north of moscow on wednesday. and this, according to the task news agency, which was citing russia's aviation of 40 no official confirmation that you have any precaution is indeed dead even though russian officials are seeing. that is the case that springing daniel hawkins and moscow for us. daniel, bring us up to speed with what's been happening, the latest information from russian officials on this plane crash. the whole still in the woods from russian officials from the farmer and st. we'll look for him and we are seeing russian meet your pool to man sort of run channel the comment from a lot of new role golf, who's a senior official in the zip. what is your region? who's saying that he's been in contact with associate support goes in who have confirmed his desk. again, this is russian media speaking to, to one official in the region, low wood from moscow. yes,

we do understand also from russian media that separate goals and wasn't alone in mist passenger list. mom is play and that's come down and so on. bull. this aircraft with meet the woods can do, which is what had mounted the founder of the law group and all the see if it goes in the pm's evolved the group as well. i use the media reporting that's evolved to come on. this have a meeting to discuss a workshop on that's the latest news coming in over the last couple of minutes. we are looking at the latest pictures of the crash side, daniel, and as you've been telling is they are 2 theories at as to what brought the plane down. and none of them seem to be saying this was an accident. that's right. well, the russian investigates committee has a colon, so it's just the last couple of minutes i can open the case into allegations of across the safety von ation, aviation safety violation. and again,

that's an investigation that wouldn't work. but the employee that they think this was an accident because otherwise they would have open an investigation into a terror. for example, something like that this, that uses an investigation into a breach of safety regulation. something a far removed from a ton of road cycle, some sort of deliberate attack on this plane, but i witnesses have reported. and again, this is coming in for rush and media from sort of problem channels. hearing loud bangs before this plane came down to investigate committee members a while there, most of the services members quoted, the russian media are looking at. so those 2 boxes that explosion on board the plane or some sort of external objects for an object to miss all of them. some of the object hitting this plane and closing of a spiral down across the ground. and of course you have any, per goshen is someone, daniel, we've been talking about a lot recently because of the war and ukraine of course. but also because of that

fails. usually the the failed co 3 months ago. that's why there's certainly um, was a lot of bad blood between the beginning for goes in and the russian hot commodity was a close ally, a plus associates or president nodding a post some guy who blew back to that time in saint petersburg to maybe 3 decades ago in recent months though, before that so those have been some 20 volt of june and so it's worth pointing out . but today is 2 months since to the day since that recently took place. he was extremely critical of the roof and all come on the general stuff of russian generals. very critical of the way they were conducting this so close by some of the top ration in ukraine, a very public in his output, son for goes and really allows himself on, was allowed to save things, but to know why the public figure would have gone away with a not let ultimately to him leading this mutiny, marching on real stuff,

kept throwing the all of h q and that city before bought single months ago, he remains an active big guy in africa. the video was released to days ago. we don't know what it was feeling, but it was released pretty much on the opening of the brick summit saying that the vault will continue to be active enough for the so frustrating for us as a free the for can people from oppression. and so it was clear that he still had some sort of role to play in solving a rush of interest. it remains to be seen low, as i say, is he was physically bold that plane as official passenger. let's do say we're still waiting to say he was on that 2nd plane. that's not the most collab ports. right. just about 15 minutes ago. now. still the confirmation, the old messages on that. so. excellent. okay, thank you for the moment, daniel hopkins, the most cool. i'd speak now to defense and military on this panel is talking how was joining us also from the russian capital. very interesting that very early on.

as this plane crash, we heard that you have any precautions name was on the list of passages are displayed. do you think is dead? we'll have to know that is a big or not. that's not clear right now. remember that seems back to the bottom. our group has be decapitated. they're politically, during the most show either could have been dead. and that means, well, it's not the end of the wagner group with the serious barry here is handicapped part of their part of their activities, including those in africa. they wagner group in june because the political threats to be present russian regime and well apparently now the oppression regime has pushed back and take care

per day. the them, know, of course, the crash have, but when you say the russian regime has to push problem, when you say the russian regime has pushed back and dekalb irritated the vin, the wagner group, do you think they killed? are you saying they killed? you have any precautions. uh well there have been a, there's basically 2 kind of possibilities of this quite a crash. it could be a bomb, smart with the bro, on board the plane, or the ground to air and deer christmas. in any case, such plains don't simply fall out of the sky. of course, the crash happened in russian aerospace in russian territory, russian. i thought these will be investigating without any foreign components involved. which means that the investigation will produce the

results that the russian, that sar days basically would require me. but guess this seems the right be now the uh, the why is the nav broadcast on the presidency? our truck and 19 they, he ate. there was a bomb on his way now under the be get but thinking of the bottom then grew well, of the political implications if that really happened. but v a n v o, this would follow the kremlin as a kind of finder stands, the threat that the bottom, the group opposed to them is of course that means that they're not for the they're most likely their operations will be handicapped. but that may be, is not that important for at least for the crime of,

for the crime. one me as taking under control. they are fully the bottom of their political threats if they posed inside rush. right, before we talk about, i wanted to ask you indeed about the future of the missionary school in regions like like africa and so on. but i wanted to know 1st about its future within the russian military itself. because after the mutiny after the failed school, the russian defense ministry wanted a wagner to be re integrated to be absorbed into the russian military, which you have any for goshen and some soldiers were opposed to a force. is that going to happen now? is ginger pershing and their soldiers some of his soldiers, but all of them, uh uh said that they won't join the russian male at street, which is not really much of a surprise because they have being formed as a group files based offense. as with the russian, mo, actually because they've been like out of the russian military hierarchy may

operate. so they will not be there, reintegrating a maybe they will try to keep their unit a huge and even that should be kept taking up the will have to see will they manage to do that and manage to survive? if indeed they are military commander, mitree. ok. and you can political and financial banker, if you and you pay, gosh, i'm have them on this crash if, as you say, the good has a capitated the coming now to, to uh, the implications for russia's influence and, and russians interest abroad, especially on the african continent. which is what we've been talking about a lot recently. what would it mean uh, for russia's interest, if a group like wagner no longer exist the world, no vision to be

a soldier. as the operators they're still there, best to be recruited may be part of their structures, but there's going to be problems regarding the sharon wells that prime does a quite often at been. it's not on his own fully, but at least very with a lot of them out autonomy i, if this is now going to be under control of the russian defense minister. yeah, that are structures. that will mean that the russian operation in africa will lose a lot of it. well, uh the uh, the yes, this will be bad for a russian influence in africa. in spring valley group is the here, but they did and more or less, if not this all that we very serious with handicapped but the most likely in the crowd when they believed that that's

a curse. daily. the bottom, their influence, which was seen as disruptive inside russia, is more important than the russian operations in africa. that all thank you very much for, for your thoughts and your insights problems. how can, how defend, simon is joining his staff from law school? well, let's discuss wagner's role in africa. a bit more with nicholas hawk on correspondence in the car sent a go. i just context 1st where of yours? i guess nick about the presence of wagner in west africa in countries like molly. what kind of fossil, when did it begin? and how strong is it? and so it started with the central african republic. it's just around 20172018. but they're active in a number of countries, mozambique and sue down in the central african republic. and molly and bertina fos so, and it seems that their operations are expanding. the mercenary aspect of,

of wagner's group is the tip of the iceberg in africa. the back, the group is also a logging company. it's a mining company. it's a communication company that helps governments to transmit their information to propagate information. the french accused him of this information of prop, again, propagating anti french sentiment in former french colonies or in countries where the french forces are present in unnatural. that's what the wagner's group has been doing in the region, and it's been quite successful. now, we've given you for goods and we're seeing on a video just yesterday was published yesterday. and you saw him in military fatigue, holding a gun, saying that he was there to free africans to fight are really the link to all kaiden i. so, and he was on this video trying to get more recruits more russians to come in joining his company. that is expanding and he sees countries that are a where their schools are, where there is crises like near like huge air,

for instance, as opportunities just after the crew that we saw just 3 weeks ago in these year. we heard from a pretty good gene, or from the fact a group, they said they would be ready to step in so very much a lot of activity in the bag now. and it's for a for profit organization. so for african states, and for many of the african states, such as molly or burkina faso or the central african republics, countries that are dealing with arm groups, dealing with a group immersed near group, such as a vacuum group. but most importantly, and mercenary group that's associated with russia was very and is very, is attractive because it puts the, uh, the usual partners that they have, the west, the friends. so the united states on a more defensive tone and for african states, the regular group offered a viable alternative to partnership with france,

a former close colonial power or the united states fully. alright, make thank you for that. nicholas talk, a correspondent in the cars. 10 a got and reactions are starting to come in to this new set that the chief of the back in the missionary group was on board with his name was on the list of passengers of a pain that clashed just outside of moscow. the us state department saying that it's seen the reports and if confirmed, no one should be surprised. the state department spokesman says the disastrous war in ukraine led to a private call me marching on moscow. and now it would seem to this or his, i'll just here is dimitri method, ankle on wagner, and the mind behind it all the products you have any for goes bruce to power and russia from humble beginnings in st. petersburg. after being jailed for 9 years for rubbery and fluid, he became a hot dog salesman and then the man known as putins,

chef his catering company hosted events for foreign leaders as well as president vladimir pollutants private birthday parties. it wasn't until 2022. the precaution admitted that he had found it the wagon a private military company, 8 years earlier in eastern ukraine. he previously denied all connections to the most scenary group and suit any one linking him to walk that a mess. and there is illegal in russia, but precautions close links to putin and russia's elite allowed him to bypass legislation, and gave plausible deniability of any involvement in operations of a seats, as well as you, craig and the wagner group has been links to military operations in syria, since 2015 and aiden governments combat reval groups and the central african republic, libya molly and so don precaution is also linked with existing military and political influence and chad, mozambique and zimbabwe has been so successful as a private, so military company that it has become essentially a franchise,

and so you have different, really, very distinct organizations that carry the same brand. it was an important force in russia's invasion of ukraine, including the assaults on some of the n. a commute, a precaution commanded up to 50000 troops in ukraine, mostly recruited from russian prisons in exchange for a pub underlined his most of mary's victories while playing down the role of the russian army to obviously put, has created precaution regardless of a self made man he is putting this project to create a sort of a competitive alternative military for assuming usher to boost the effectiveness of the regular russian army, or go through this later to and to open criticism with the golden didn't means his words and attacking defense minister said h i go and chief of staff evaluate and get us involved for under supplying his

troops. well, not so you can watch go by pretty positive. we have a 70 percent shortage of admonition. shelly, go garage you month to month. yeah, we're, we're munition. look at the new movie that it went back. moved was seized in may 2023, often more than 6 months of fighting big ocean and his men took a passive role and the kremlin began to reign in wide, demanding the group registered and report directly to the army. the golden refused, and his confrontation with russia's military leadership reached the pointing point on june 23rd. when he was accused of the mutiny entry since reaching that but didn't go out to 0. next spring back, current senior political am is my window shop. once again, he's in paris, my one we've heard the 1st reaction from the us state department, which is that if it's confirmed, no one should be surprised and it seems that nobody seems to be supplies really.

that if it is confirmed that you have any promotion was can yes, i think he lived at dangers lice. he lived a hunter of russian life. he had a very controversial profession. being emotionally, the heads of us, one of the, uh, been from us, uh mercer many groups that as we heard them 34 to work in many continents and checking the present balls and searching their table whether it is in africa, ukraine, syria, and other places. so the fact that he would meet his creator as it were, the way you did, there's no surprise. and now the fact is that you know, you and i, and everyone else has been talking about why, why does it make sense for anyone to get in? that's of course, that question that were needing to be answered. uh, you know, perhaps days, weeks, months down the road if we ever find the answer. because of course, many commentators would say or would signal out that

a human moscow put in on so on, so forth, i would say, why would they do it that way? especially that clearly religion has been in moscow for a number of days, a number of weeks and months. and clearly the relationship is very complicated and very shady. so i think we don't have the answer right as to why. but we clearly know that we didn't live a very dangerous controversial, an infamous life. and clearly that was expected for his final bears. as you say, we don't know the answer as to who or why. but what do you think the messages here if he has indeed been count as well, i guess it depends on who, right? who would be getting such a an assessment ation attempt that gives not just one person but tennessee visuals . and it was time around the end of the rich stomach di, i mean the ssl certificate for sizes are because walk our day today. and yesterday

we were talking about bricks and white china. russia are trying to maneuver that way by pressing the block where it could be kind of, you know, again, stores in some form of order for the g 7 and the western block. and i'm showing show for the day and i don't want i zation, i'm expanding bricks and destination happens, right them. but if it isn't that's, that's an issue. so clearly the timing is not going to dental right now. we know also from here i'm just fixing that occurred. i'm just stating the facts. i'm not saying anything in specific that many of posters detractors die either in hotels. right, or thrown out or hurt or shut down the streets if they want you rich enough to be and what that is, right. this is the 1st time that we have such an incident happening right above or north of moscow. so, you know, we could also, or detractors or, you know, people who would want to ask different questions would say, why would, if such

a thing happens and brush out, why would you be responsible for that can call one of his older associates, good rush, or why he could, i probably could give an offer to right. or is he sending a mess of that? yes, this is what happened in russia. they're all sorts of questions that any serious investigator would be looking at. and really not all right. think of any particular answer at this point in time because the entire thing is cheated. and as you want, as you've been speaking, the only thing that we know for a fact is this is a very controversial speaker, right up to the finger print that probably meant to send to way even if it is like, as you say, a lot of questions but there's no doubt that there was some bad blood between precaution and 14. ever since that failed. you'd see the failed school in june in moscow. i and there was a lot of talk at the time of putting, putting, being weakened, losing in fluids. when you look at the current context, you know,

the brakes on it and so on. would you say that the kremlin is weak or has been weakened? finish this warn you crate. oh, absolutely. i mean, that's a whole lot about the strategic questionnaire pedro. to feel that the right to the idea that to go to now 2 years into the war and cannot really, you know, when it's, and the prisoners that i shouldn't make an advances on the set trash and the resistance to the russian invasion. the fact that the west now has coordinates start on the united states. the fact naturally stronger than ever before. the fact that complex russian soldiers have died in your brain but killed in the war. the fact that your brain is thrown garden over united, more picture ethics based on ever all these and other signs show us, of course, in addition to the idea that the russian economy is not doing as well as before, i was on vaccine set and it was this was the wrong decision. busy but of course, put in does this, as he did yesterday, and his opening speech to the rick summit is that he was to the war. but this was

a lot of aggression by the united states against russia. fine. and it's, you know, it's less than that. he's either way of ukraine attacking russians, the russian nationals within the country. once again, the, every story has different perspective and very start the new, the russian, the fulton perspective them. there is the american perspective, as you suggested earlier from the state department price. and we of course you in particular autopay having multiple sectors on, on has 0 prime. the future of the missionary group was already in doubt after the failed eugene during the fails. cool. this is a group, of course has been involved in a number of regions. we've mentioned that for golf course, but there was also syria, the war in syria back in a very active session. what happens now as well, you know, it all depends on that those 3 months and more of a very big junior history to be supposed to have heard and learned that promotion

ended up in brothers. but then as we've heard from our workforce funding now, he was actually also socializing in petersburg. and he was actually english. and he had the freedom to go back and forth, apparently from africa, back to russia, showed clearly the so called bad blood between him and put him, you know, also make some a sentence. right. and clearly what you started, and i think that's probably the most important question that's how to do is i don't know where they're looking at how to dismantle from the kitchen in your brain would even if they're attempt, how exempt for was you to watch? what is for the rest and that he's on to moscow and then a one point of course, the vision and stuffing in a book and somehow imagine can get him out and stop the march. and you know that a 1000000000 against moustache and so forth. so that means court the junior. yeah.

is it the why would you know, show up in english it after that. so we don't have some kind of search for that last several weeks and months since uh the march from too much to. and we also don't know why he showed up those pictures of himself in africa basting ranking to continue when you expect to be teased. sure, again, there are, there's a lot of information. i'm not sure there's a lot of specific. yeah. clear as absolutely. i wanna thank you for the moment. monitors are our senior political analyst. well, let's discuss wagner's activities further in africa on the african continent with i made these races joining us from the nigerian capital i butcher. i'm and of course you've covered the recent cool in the share and there was a lot of talk about russia and not cool. we saw protests with people waiting russian flags and so on. talk to us about wagner in africa,

in the context of the recent closer a button that plays a critical role. not only regarding the close enough for guy in bodily and broken a 5. so do you need and now it does. yeah. it also plays a critical. busy role in helping the central african republic. now if these reports about triggers in and what can dying in that crush confirmed it could it's not, it's difficult to say how much it will could effect the broadness approaches in africa. but suddenly it was to throw a spot in the woods, simply because you are talking about the top level, a vibe, now the owner, and of course, the leader of the wagner group, now dead. if not, is confirmed. that would definitely be a problem to with the continuous operation of wagner. but again, i just got off of the phone with once the coach and on this in i, in that junior, who said to me that the resources in africa are huge enough motivation for wagner's

approaches to continue in africa. so probably, uh, the deaf of you've guinea pig was in. and dmitri, what can, may not necessarily be the end of the broadness of processing. i forget what will well, some countries do you think we can state or given, given all this turmoil within russia, do you think some african countries will we consider deposition in their dealings with russia? of the one, basically the russian has been making and is becoming more and more popular in africa, especially in west africa. it's difficult to say if you look at the way russia and china in particular warming up to africans. recent meetings and in most co, between put in an offer can lead is promises forgiveness of debts and supply of food items on the public is

a warming up to russia by the way. and it would seem that play out in i've been in news. yeah. after the recent cool, now the problem, the biggest problem, what the colonial must is in africa didn't play that roles. that is what you, when you talk to political, i know they didn't play their hands or play that kinds of very well. i'm so africans looking towards the east now i have it for financial assistance or military assistance to deal with that one crisis. how many trays? seeing a bu, jerry, i thank you very much for that. the $1900.00 cmt 10 pm in moscow, you're watching all which is 0 and i live.