goshen has been listed as a passenger killed in a plane crash according to russian officials. nor can recalculate developments. this is the moment the embryo across jet came hustling from the sky and the to be a region built in bhaskar or 10 people, including 3 crew members were killed. all of them dropped off at the bottom a minute to greet both you've got a precaution was listed among the passengers flying for most good st. petersburg. but there's no independent confirmation yet that he was actually aboard. look, report states to loud bangs were hubs, and multiple videos post on social media appeared to show that yet on the fire. this flight rate, i'm not sure it's the moment it disappeared. just 2 days before vocation chad his 1st video since is a both mutiny against versus armed forces. in june, russian media reports. the 2nd page that was registered to vacation was flying in

a peculiar zigzag pattern over mosca. before landing. it's not yet snowed with a he was on that flight. it says russian emergency services looking at 2 theories, a possible explosion on the plane and the probing into edison systems in the region . so for age bodies to be found at the size of a crash, but as yet because use whereabouts and conditions are on the nor hold on to 0. when i speak to patrick barry who's defense and security analysts at the university of bath, he's joining us from dublin. patrick, very good to have you with us. so you have any promotion listed as a passenger on that pain that went down. no official confirmation yet of his death . what are your thoughts about what's happened and who do you think stand to benefit from getting precaution staff a good evening fairly well in terms of the 2nd part of the question? first, obviously if for goes in was seen as

a threat and part of the the to need when time. exactly 2 months ago. it's in to use, uh, interest to, uh, to, to get to, to get rid of them. essentially, i know a lot of people said that he was given the better knowledge of the internal growth and politics than i i at that. and i said that goes on, is it in my marking since trying not move so and so right now, and i mean if it, if it is, as you say, put in uh why now, why not? you know, when the failed school happened 2 months ago. so there's other, you've got to be cautious, you don't have all the facts on, you know, things are never off on, you know, are often not exactly is a initially seem especially at roster, but of these things. sometimes i was just better being a little bit of closer to see what comes on. but for example, we have seen a general sort all the kids who was that did not just seem to be totally involved in that. we looked at a comfortable journey but was on tv. seeing the nearest a sat down at is close to the back. a group just today he's being released to come

on. we haven't actually seen it involves your um, your girlfriends is being highly critical enough for fighting our eyes. highly critical of the of the crime that he's being detained under extremism cambridge scheme is charged and done today. we're not again sure. if per goes in the he was on the manifest, but also his deputy demetrius can may have been on that manifest as well. he was a co founder of 5 nurse and very senior. so we wait to see exactly how this play. ready is exactly looking at the footage, you know, i don't know the, an aircraft engineer or anything that but it certainly consistent with an aircraft been shot to environment solve the way it's out. and yeah, it's. ready really if you can't read. ready that irises one, i'd say, yeah and, and there's also the theory that the, they could have been, you know, uh, an explosive explosive device on board the craft. um, you know, looking at the events that led up or could have, you know, led up to, to,

to the death and the killing of you have any precaution. again, you're very writes and being cautious in saying that this hasn't been confirmed yet . his name was indeed on the passengers list, but no comfort confirmation of his actual death. in the looking at the events that led up to, to this moment today, there are many have said that, you know, this was found to happen, given the bad blood that they've been between the kremlin and precaution. where does this use things? now leave the wagner miscarry go, which for goshen found it, is this the end has now been completely decapitated that was designed. numerous mcgrooves is useful to russia as an organization and very useful and all that bit of a role that face of engaging in west africa and awesome. okay. and seemingly. so i wouldn't be surprised if it's the end of the 5 not group that may be end of an end of that name for us, and it makes it turn out to be the end of it. senior commanders. and i think it's

a useful tool that works on them hand with the, the russian, russian foreign service and the ministry of foreign ministry and special forces in, in these parts of africa. and they are well known to they have some support from all of a chronic disease. and i've been involved in that those machines coming to power in different parts of west africa, including molly, potentially major burkina faso. so the e. yeah i, i don't think that's going to go away. well, but i think control of it may change. i think that's really what it, what to look for. what message do you think precautions canning sense? so i think if you think about this lot, you know, if you're putting again, you're trained in, in sort of assessments and getting to the looking at it from the intelligence perspective. i think one thing you do when this kind of thing happens is you'd

weiss and you'd exploit and you'd get as much information as you kind of understand who's with you, who's against you. because acting too early means you could end up, you know, provoking something worse or making the situation more dangerous to yourself. so you ways and then you act and i think that would, that would and you like decisively. and if you, if it turns out different goes in, his dad may be or is dead too. so we're all back in was removed today. and girl and another whole little package is to change. that's what is 60 days, is a pretty strong message to send to anyone who's going to challenge you in the future. right. and, and where does this leave the, the, the russian offensive in ukraine, the russian invasion, the wagner, itself is the, you know, add of the line. um, since when was it back in, in, in sort of february, march, i think it was monday full days. and it being recuperating for a monday,

so it may be a little bit later before they launched the uh, the company is aware. so i don't think it will affect my massively, this situation in terms of russian defense is on the lines. and obviously there's an element of the question mark, but what they're doing and batteries draining the battery submitted to you. probably keeping an eye on president lucas shank of. but i think in terms of that kind of offensive at the, at the sort of tactical operational level, it would be very limited. i think, where, where the, where the ramifications are, as it's sort of easy is the end of the political instability in russia. if the goldman is dead and where does it leave, but it's not a good look to be, you know, shooting day and that's gonna not, not a good look to be shooting down if it is, are blowing up or at the probably the most likely scenario is there and private, private as it gets over your own territory. and, you know, one of the other implications of this is what happens to russian, you know, those transiting. i've listened aspects. if this is indeed what's happened. and again, probably a thing. the certainly security managers have been trying to work

a to develop but you know and as something that real sure and popular. ready quite teen potentially to time play that it was them even if we did have that information but. ready just have to wait and say 10 days we have to wait and say because there are so many, many on k on answer questions in a very, a definitive not definitive questions. definitely that have me down to thank you very much, patrick viewing for joining us today. from dublin, thank you for your time. that's bringing nicholas hoc. once again, our correspondents in the car, senegal lake. tell us about the role of wagner in this west side for side, for the region, as we've heard from various guess and not correspondents. you know, the killing of any for goshen if confirmed wouldn't necessarily mean the end of the presence of wagner or any sort of mercenary, go in that region or no, that's right. i mean, the value to a group is thriving,

its activities are thriving in the region we. we saw them in molly where there's about 1500 men, central african republic, 2000 men there in mozambique and sudan. and it seems that they are expanding, in fact the to only ties. we saw pictures or videos of free goods. and in the last 2 months since the, the mutiny back in june. is that picture of him, the russia, africa summit, shaking the hand of a diplomat from the central african republic. but also this video that were shot in tim book to just days ago where he was calling on people to free. i forgot from attacks from arm groups, think desecai de nice. so in fact, we just heard an hours or an hour ago from them on social media from one of the i'll call you to affiliate jamal in the side, or at least along with mr. mean, and i'll try to, if with, and molly, claiming to have insured a fighters from the wagner group in northern molly, what's happening up there in the north? is that the milledge military june tide?

molly? have us the un peacekeeping mission that's in the country to try to help them to stabilize the country, to withdraw and stepping in. are these fighter from the valiant or group and they're not doing this for free. of course, a fully, an exchange. they have access to the mines that they were involved, even molly, being the 4th largest exporter of, of, of, of gold in africa. and so we have to remember that the wagner group is not just a mercenary group. it's also a logging company. it's a also a, an information in communication company. it's, it's, um, it's mining, so it's activity is our thriving of the region. but it's also serving a purpose for these governments in the region that seek alternative partnerships right to the west to. yep, but it's a group, but it's a group and forces that i've also been accused of of various human rights abuses in countries like money for example. that's right. i mean,

the united nation has accused them of gross human rights violation of war crimes ranging from torture, rape extrajudicial killings at, in, in molly. and that's one's one of the reasons why the molly military, june top one to the un peacekeeping mission there to be removed because they were so critical over how russian mercenaries operate. but for set is 1st for the, for these regimes, for these military leaders, they like the partnership with, with the russians. it's very clear what they're doing is that they're there to help them fight off arm groups. and there's been the french that were there with operation back gun that wasn't this a hell, despite their presence of 3000 soldiers? well, these attacks have increased, but of course the value group has made many friends in the region involved in bertina, faso and, and in the central african republic. but it also has made many photos. specifically

. the french have been very upset with their presidents and the humiliation to see their soldiers being removed and being replaced by mercenary. so there was no shortage of mercenaries in africa. in fact, the last statement from the african union yesterday, over the cool and neighboring new share of country neighboring molly was when one line was mentioned over not to engage these mercenaries in this country, alluding to the russian wagner group. but the difference here, compared to other mercenary who it's russia, is the russian name. and we saw that a pretty good getting made this social media address released on the same day as vladimir putin made this video. dressed in johannesburg during the break summit, almost trying to overshadow him. i'm sure they didn't, that didn't go well in moscow and probably brought some confusion. there's always been this competition about who are these african states dealing with, are they doing to the russian state, moscow, or are they dealing with mercenaries?

and now with this, with these events unfolding in russia, there is a lot of confusion and a lot of uncertainty because this operations of active group is it very much top to bottom operation. that was with them in the central african republic in 2018. they were saying russia is back the really signifying that they were acting in the name of moscow. but there's uncertainty about once you get rid of or if, if there's a decapitation, see of the, of those leadership, what will happen to these thousands of russian fighters that are on the ground? who is command, will they follow? yeah. will they are operation move forward? fully and it'll be interesting to see how these african countries which have been dealing with wagner and russia, how they view the relationship going forward. thank you very much. nicholas hock 5, the in the car sent a go where there's been some reaction from the us already present job. i'm saying

that he's not surprised that things i don't know for fun, but how practical haine is live in washington dc potty the present saying that he doesn't know enough but still reacting to this a yes or no that was a bit surprising. he's on vacation, but you can probably guess he's for already told his the team is national security team and all of his intelligence agencies to try and figure out if for goes and was actually on that play. knowing that he was likely be a target of blood or put his wrath. but this is really something that an american officials have been really kind of saying that they thought this was going to happen for months. we saw bill burns, the directory was at the conference and she is quote was,

i wouldn't fire my food taste or i would be surprised. provision escapes further retribution for this. even president biden made a comment to his food when right after you saw him begin his march. it said basically if i were him, i'd be careful what i ate. i keep my eye on my menu. and then he went on to say, i don't know, i don't think any of us know for certain what the future for corrosion is in russia . and we had heard from the state department, spokesman for the state department and not a tribunal to a name. but that said they, we've seen the reports if confirm no one should be surprised. this disasters for ukraine led to a private army marching on moscow. and now it would seem to this. so of course the big question is did, is this something that they think it is? obviously persian knew? well what happens to people who cross a lot of them are approved. and even though they, it seemed to have conversations after he started that march and then turned around

. but anybody who would have done that, you think would be extra cautious. so i think what we're going to see until there's actual hard confirmation is subtle statements like that. from the state department, i've reached out to the department of defense, see if they're going to be taking lead or if it'll be the ca, the white house, the national security council. not clear yet, but the fact that the president even commented on it is somewhat notable. indeed, patty, thank you for that. patty. go ahead and live there in washington dc as i'll speak to calling call kohl's, director of the research director of research or the so fine group his live from pittsburgh in the us. thank you very much for being with us. once again, the american saying no one should be surprised if it is confirmed that promotion was killed in his brain crash. and you're not surprised even. now i'm not surprised at all. i think, you know, many of the analysts covering wagner thought this wasn't the number to ability. you know, certainly after for goes ins failed and you need in late june,

there weren't the folks lining up. so have life insurance. i think that he's been living on borrowed time, and it was a matter of when not if he was killed likely at the hands in the direction of the criminal. but why now? i mean that mutiny happened over 2 months ago. if he did feel under threat, why would he return to rush? well he, he didn't feel under threat. he was welcome back and he was allowed to kind of move around. i think you know, why now there's a lot of speculation, a lot of kind of wild guesses my own take, is that why them you're putting didn't fully understand the way wagner worked and he needed to fully understand that before he could dispose of production. remember, wagner is not just the mercenary group, it's a vast infrastructure of companies. it spans the world. it's helping the russians evade sanctions. and for goshen was the key to that. he kind of uh, was the gatekeeper. and so before getting rid of him and, and liquidating him and others involved in the meet me needed to,

to understand it better. so if for gulshan was the gatekeeper office fast network, as you say, what would his scaling if confront me for the quote of what they want it symbolic, right? you don't cross to it. and that's something that the russian dictator has always lived by. that's a code if you will. what does it mean for wagner? i think they're going to look to insert. i think bosco is going to look to insert an individual that's loyal to and perhaps, you know, trying to or a sick offense of water and food. and again, continue business as usual in africa is essential to moscow strategy right now to expand its own influence in the global south, as well as to soften the blow from fighting sanctions that have been in place. never since its re invasion of the brain last february. if it's confirmed that precaution passed, i do think this would mock the end of the political instability was seen in, in,

in russia, over the last 2 months since that fails, go and not me see. but on the contrary, it could very well lead to a new wave of political instability. remember, for goes and had a lot of loyal followers. he had developed the cult of personality within russia the way that he cared for his man and spoke about them and lobbied for them and for more weapons and ammunition. he really became a popular figure, probably on part with, you know, some of the most popular figures in russian society. so there could be a real backlash here and some blow back that fruit and then the kremlin experience . okay, thank you very much for that. thanks for joining us. uh, once again collin clock, live there in pittsburgh. let's discuss the wagner groups roll further now right now for going the african continent and speak to monic. trey now is that correspondent and triply libby as capital. uh, and wagner's presence in libya has been, it's been there for, for

a number of years now in the libyan conflict. talk to us about the extent of the involvement as well is the balance of power here and what the, the why her as the house and the g. how wide to sleep. uh huh. uh. so how's your uh the janet is uh, is, is, is a collision with or partnership with wagner when he was submitting his, his, uh, his base. it'd be similar to an after controlling or, or controlling most of the eastern, with the, with wired with, with the hell a little bag, henry, they began a military campaign in 2019 uh, to forrest tripoli. so, you know, for 14 months house or attempted to take over the capital part, then surely stopped in unhealthy, internationally recognized the government. and,

and we saw that once the wire retreated as forces from shriveling. uh they, they, they went towards the cell ports of the oil fields and towards air bases maintain his military kind of getting on on chip. and so you have to retreat to the east to a strong base and that ease and fire continues to control. a huge parts of central and central southern libya, including the elder for areas including brought this out. the air is also they maintain a strong presence and you know, there's a lot of questions as to what's going to happen. uh yeah, but we also just, i think it's really important to be just yesterday a russian military television, the deputy defense minister headed by the deputy defense minister colonel general unit suspect you have colorado visited and so he foster, you know, some,

some people are saying that that was to try to we, yes, or house or the of the russians will still be be on his side and stay and continue the presence. and libya has a big concern as many as a, as they've been concerned in libya, and especially among highly 5 task force isn't. and it's his cab about these divisions we've seen within russia and the uncertainty within rush i, i definitely for who used to have said there's, there's been some concern. you know, he's a wants to be reassured that these, the forces are, are outlined with him. you know, control, arms, air bases. i mean, they are, they are a huge to have a huge impact, you know, the power struggle between the foster and the internet. so we recognize governor

and what's the so i think a lot of people are going to be watching while watching the news very carefully and seeing, you know, if, if his death is confirmed. i mean, this is, this is do potentially change the balance of power. here in a little bit, so a lot of people are interesting to see what's, what happened, mike trina and tripoli, thank you very much for that. thank you. all right, let's get an update on the situation. i in this breaking news story that we've been covering over the last few hours here on alex's 0 and before set to the head of the russian wagner. missionary, go give guinea for goshen. may have been killed in a plane crash in moscow just outside of moscow. that's bringing daniel hawkins in the russian capital force. daniel, bring us up to speed with the latest developments and what we know have it as well. i bodies, i've been recovered from the wreckage. according to investigate this, the cmo low,

some russian media all reporting that 2 of those parties have preemptive bureau, then to fine as those of precaution and his wife had mind me. 3 watkin, that's not beneficial to confirm because investigate is upset. the parties are in such a condition, they will require a d, n, a analysis to officially confirm who they belong to. in the meantime, i've also seen footage on russian media titles all the 2nd business ship, but not going to per goals. and unless you do landing at an airport, there must go still no news of who was on board the play out information also coming out the for goes in in the last a day or so were ton for money on you. charles school playing that land in damascus for refueling the full flying. so most go out early in moscow. he changed planes. there's private business jet which also reportedly he often used to fly to the complex owed end to a bunch of routes as well, which is obviously with thousands of his support this fall based that we also by

waiting on an official confirmation, of course, that promotion was on board the claim that the has been killed increasingly that news is coming out of sources linked to walk them and we're waiting out full beneficial confirmation still. that's a come through. so no official confirmation from russian officials. reminder of yours, daniel, about the relationship of the relationship between you have any per goshen and diamond 14 in the kremlin. it was very close at one point in time. but relation solid. in the last 2 months, a d. d, a, that history goes back to decades to that's all i mean in st. petersburg to progressions, business feelings of past the opening of the business later, a catering for foods engagement for the kremlin, for which you receive the nickname, food, and shift. he's most famous though full funding the blog,

the private venture company, which was shrouded in a bite of secrecy until around 2022 when it began to be more public. come into the open and it really made itself a name in the syria in africa. but most of all in ukraine were, so it was rough is most probably some pricing for some things we came to head when vulnerable gotten to be your precaution, began to be funny, critical. all the russian felt broadsoft, the defense minister of the chief of stuff, accusing them of corrupt should've been confidence. really saying things which would get anybody else in a lot of trouble was progressing, was allowed to, to do for many, many months before the culminated in the new to the ocean. that 2 months school, most of the day seems that by all means we need to place a 2 month out of us or excite a. subsequently, he stood down off the negotiations with a better russian president. and as i say, a very toxic relationship between promotion ends to come into professionals before that took place. daniel,

they also reports that dimitry can was believed to be on the plane with you have any precaution, remind us of who he is and if his death is confirmed, how safe significant would that be? as we choose can was effectively, you could say the found of the private when a treat company, a veteran with minutes experience you receive multiple states, a was for coverage from the government as well. he was affecting the precautions. what had mine, though? he didn't enjoy as much of the media spotlight as for golden rule, but preferring to stay clear, clear of that sort of media attention. and we understand from something else and media that long ago, which supports the very discipline, the very structured with the very vertical hierarchical structure. i had a clear plan of action if it's a leaders, if it's heads well for some reason to be killed or incapacitated,

we don't the best time what that plan is, as of yet, but we understand that's a meeting of the blogger. the commodities has taken place. that's again, according to rush and media. and that mechanism of action relating to the deposit ation of a slave is, has been activated. what that will lead to, again, is anybody's guess plants with a group like wagner, which is extremely disciplined. a rigid, hierarchical, it's not surprising something. what that is in place and you have any promotion. daniel was a popular seeker. within russia. he was popular. what have been the reactions? well, there is certainly a sense of, of shock regarding you'd get any promotions properly. i would say he was some concise, popular rabble rouser and russia because he got away, as i say, with saying things and criticizing the russian felt cross which of the fingers just

didn't do. one just couldn't do that. there was a real sense of shock off the music he took place. i think a lot of people expected for goes into the jail to be arrested when that deal was struck between themselves. food and like a sion co and it was agreed would go into effective uh effective into, into better, respectfully, into hiding to avoid that j listened, but so i think many people expected that to be the end of the story. he was then same as i said earlier in russia, mississippi. this works for him quite openly, continuing his business dealings sofa best to take place to bounce off to the whole situation was, was result off that he supposedly with the direct. so certainly has people in a lot of shopping, most likely to see a lot of reaction and commentary coming in over the next hours and the certainly tomorrow as well. okay, thank you very much for the moment. daniel hawkins, on correspondents, with the latest the from most the

is coming up to 20 g m t 11 pm in moscow. and you are watching all g 0 and continuing coverage of this breaking news out of russia. where the wagner groups found, are you have any for goshen, is reportedly dead. russian officials say he was among the passengers on a plane that crashed a few hours ago or con, recounts the latest development surrounding precautions before to death. this is the moment the emperor at cross jet came hustling from the sky and the to be a region built in bhaskar or 10 people including 3 crew members were killed all of drawn out from the bottom and minucci group both, you'll get a precaution with.