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hello and welcome to the program. i'm nor a kyle, thailand's democracy enters another phase just as a tower and political figure from his post were tons from exile, tax engine. what was west from the airport to prison, to start subbing an 8 year sentence for the strong speculation that he and his plaid ty policy haven't arrangements with a powerful military for his return and for the formation of a new government. meanwhile, the move forward policy, which 1 may, is election is sidelined, kinda as democracy, has been french, all with governments overthrown by the generals who remain in overall control will be picking through what all this means for thailand in a moments with all guests. but 1st, here's tourney, chang in buying cook with mole on what people think of the latest political, many events. it's being a dramatic 24 hours in thailand, tax and shinning while the former prime, mister,

they've been in self imposed exile for 15 years. but arguably, the most influential thinker and type politics for more than 2 decades were 10. he was met at the airport by a huge crowds. then what's the way by the police to the supreme court, and then on to jail, to stop an a, to a to then in the middle of the night taken to hospital the medical complications and well, all of that was going on, tyler, and go to new prime minister of the full months of political deadlock shirts. that's how we send representing the prototype political party became 2nd in the general election. he'll now form a coalition government. but in order to do that, he's going to have to join with 3 parties, a light, the military, part of the last administration. and the big picture is tight versus voted. overwhelmingly for reform and for change. move forward, the punch in the one, the election has been shelved down to the side and put tight. and this coalition government is going to find it very hard to create any real reform. how much of the

frustrations of those votes is going to spill out onto the streets as they have in the past? will tax and has been such a divisive figure in the past, proved to be a peace maker or trouble making. tony chang for inside story. bank of the well joining us now a guest in buying called pen child us every one of the specialist on thailand's electro system and an associate professor at my adult university in st. paul is duncan mccall, good professor of public policy and global affairs, non young technological university. he's the co also of the techs and eyes ation of thailand. and also in bangkok is cassidy per wrote me a, a full met type a form, a for an administrative. thailand's, he's a democratic policy politician and a full my yellow shots active. it's very warm. welcome to all of you. that's it. let's start with you. it's no coincidence isn't that tire tax and has returned home

on the same day that his policy is know, many for prime minister one the votes in parliament was there a deal between plants high and the ministry which as well, you know, a 2 traditional enemies as a result of the united state elections on the 14 of may, the move forward, unexpectedly and beyond expectation and so on. at 140000000 the bullets unprecedented and expected. and if the party had defeated, if we are the political party, especially the established political party like ty, under the leadership of the father of 5 and use the same thing as well as the establish poppies, backed by a couple of generals who stated she took who they bought it in 2014 and

the most. busy but has the beating coming. busy with a policy campaign, as platform to bring about the drastic changes and transform mission of the kingdom of thailand to become more democratic. that's a problem actually is i'm trying to jump into because what we do know all of this from the outcome of the election. but what we want to know is how tax in managed to come back home on the same day. but his policy to play a type policy was able to put impala the normandy for prime minister by forming a coalition with 2 pro military policies. the minute trip was having ousted him some over 10 years ago before 20 years ago for i think there has. but there have been a lot of behind se negotiation between toxeme and the military establishment and the conservative element of the state and thailand. but that was part of the it because these to the minute treat implants high,

a traditional enemies within the tight political. it's fair. but now they have a more or more legible, dangerous comment. any me, me in the name of the ball would probably be that what that to bring about changes and perhaps even, or the ability to general set the so on the icons over these. they don't want to see chance. they want to see this paper as cool. so even that send us the comes done so it's have to watch them to come to get as positive because establishment and to oppose to the, to any changes that would make thailand the king. the more don't remember, i pick one more or put more participate tree, sorry. pump out a, this is a real see change with highland distance hits the parts high and the minute tree joining forces at least to secure the return of tax and, and to stay in power. does this mean that plants high has become part of the establishment? well, yes, this is,

this is really clear that out what i have starting to build military political parties and, you know, to leave all forward behind to be an opposition party. this is not, i couldn't be unpopular tired style because you know, in the next election what time you spent a lot of problems in the election convince. and i was only election a result because most of the types of parker as you know, the ones, the tire can be a leader and a prime minister and from the government to get the bid that move forward. this is a form of democratic society sunday, and i think that as a police appointing that was probably party now switching to solve the problem, really treat government. so then that's why, as you mentioned earlier, that the do a visual being put, try a party and a tool we like to be party, they kind of fall together in order to bring texting back. and at the same time, that's with military political party continues to maintain that power in the colonies and government, and then they continue to load a real country, a new tire advice again. duncan, we've been here before, haven't way in thailand,

the losing policy guessing to rule the winning policy sidelines except normally the losing policy or is every election since 2001 the losing policy is being plus. hi, i think. yeah, i always like good saying this time is usually well known as the owner in the election results in a thoroughly democratic manner. but we also found in the past is that the election results is one thing and the outcome is quite another example. in the last section in 2019 things didn't turn out exactly as plans, the military side didn't get the kind of edge, but they want him to follow him. and lo and behold, the election commission disappeared behind closed tools to recalculate your method of allocating popular seats, gave out a few seats to some small micro politics that no one expected to be in the moment. and then lo and behold, the permanent latrete conservative side was able to form a couple of mission and run the countries of the next 4 years. so not so many people were aware of that kind of behind the scenes but new but thoughts this time

with leading stream, the vs machinations of the senate to be taught to move forward. lead a full, becoming prime minister, is just really raw the to for, for a lot of people's taste that confronted with the reality that bedrooms are not necessarily the determining factor. and it was actually go to fully government. and that's a cost. it's true that is a common enemy and move for became a very quick hold on. and i mean, when this extremely strong showing a bit, but many people believe only stopping for hearing a supposedly to spend very well before that there was already an understanding between tax in specifically himself and the leaders all that was part of military policy. some when the techs and it's not just about prototype, it's really about him, and he has a well mean desire to reach out to try them for his the purposes of he's quite ready to sacrifice the, to the future. eventually interest of his policy for his own personal. okay. okay.

got it from you. what do you think toxins own purposes? um, why has he come back now? well, i think he's good. the old. he's 74 years old. you want to have to come back and nowadays an opening because he was able to reach out to the military establishment and make a deal. so he might, he succeeded in making the deal for himself and he bought, i think it was you good enough to discard the mass apart and so on the think about what time did he make this dale to come back? well, i think it's a personal wish and so on. and secondly, is that they keeping that one to say he's probably using the government, they can re, quote the situation total population policy measures and so on. so it is a risk taking with the hope that they could recover later and overcome the i think the found me doable challenges for coming from to move forward and try to do you

think we're going to see tax and behind falls for any length of time he's supposed to be serving 8. yes, i think here. and you said a couple of hours for he was with 1000 put into hospital, which correspond to noted was about the strange given. he looked perfectly healthy when he arrived at the airport just a few hours earlier. doing part of this deal is but he is going to work for you. well yes, you know, this is not, this is not a bar type person that you know, a big person that be enjo and, you know, doing this kind of story, you know. and then moving from sales, who has pete whole and then it has disappeared. is this not the 1st time, but the when he come back to these times, i think, you know, he used to play a role in politics and he's gonna work on the policy behind the scenes. even though he, you know, at the point he's on people and you know, learn how to become the problem in my,

of all of his family. and he himself said that he doesn't want to be involved in politics anymore. but you can see on how to inform the government and have him try or what he's doc, or to me come to know to become the kind of the nation as a prime minister on he's trying to be, you know, as i professor duncan say, it's all about himself, he thought about political party is not about the time, and it's not about the high people with others. and that's why, you know, is this going to mean what high and also to this college and go, i'm going to be a hard time to go to country and then, and it's actually in the next election. but i do spend a lot of trouble in order to be to be election in the next election as well. so i'm human said that they have a high potential to put high have you food apart, because you know, they can not really get any more support from back support or any more except the real read time that they might support put higher actually in the following elections, so i think this kind of move past and the time party boom at the parties. so acting

that these families have a hard time to. so i in the type of, especially to be in the next election. do you agree with that? because we know that's plus i lost a lot of it's votes to the move for the policy, but now it isn't government and it's got the support of the military behind it. that's a pretty powerful force as we've seen in time politics. do you think we're going to be seeing for us high serving out the whole tom? the batteries was very other play. yeah. because it could be undergoing imperative instability either of what kinds of things. what needs to happen over the next couple of years, for example, the change in the current role that allows the senate to have a kind of veto through the mentorship of all who gets to be prime minister and that expires in may of next year. so the possibility of some reorganization of the room and coalition is starting to upstair. it's not clear whether this got, which is really likely to be able to go to, to one of the big questions with

a party like personalized. why do people think rich, you know, i've seen other countries people play with the bodies, but variety of reasons. they don't leave the politics because they sold will, saves, plays the baby extensively, and i'm doing the right thing for the country. so prototype does not very strong low power networks with the bad m. p 's. you can deliver photos on the ground to some extent irrespective of the performance of the policy. so the birds i may be able to continue mobilizing some of those in the traditional hall as in the north of all these, what we saw in this last election was an incredible erosion of those own most of the results take. so what's really interesting now a scary, not just prototype. oh, the other sort of traditional policies as well is how does the election gain change? is it not best about low power that was influenced and give you much money and how much more is it about big ideas and questions and ways of the policy

presents itself idea of what you expect. because baptizing trouble must be how much by move forward could be covered by all the policies, but take the mental all aggressive round the future. and as we saw in the flexion, the type people have spoken now off to a more progressive form of politics. the only thing that stopping them cause it for romeo is the millet tray with its power and its grip impala. as duncan said in may, next you will lose its grip on the senate. do think it's taking a gamble by getting into bed, but plats high because what size we know is the traditional enemy of the ministry. will it be seeking to change the constitution to try less than the minute? truth power? well, i be good. i don't have the day to be tired general so well, i think the control to a political parties, there are no longer active military bus. and no, i don't think that they still retain much influence inside the military

establishment. so in that sense, they have to cling on to the political arena and by typing associating themselves with the type of taxi and then so on. it also prolongs that political, life and insurance in the affairs of the kingdom as to the ability to establish man and a self at the moment they kind of sit tight. because of the fact that the most all would wishes to reform drastically. the ability to establish been now we're no longer take class because i suspect that that use already the, the, the standing at the agreement between the military establishment and the talk stating that the pipe not to touch the reform question of the military as a whole. so guys like keep a tech and so on going on. but let me go back one thing about going talk soon. he's also waiting for this be to be submitted. so he gets mad this be the king. so he's

waiting for the pot and also so in that said the in the delta will not be they become valid for him. so he holds on that one. and they might be some sort of a tacit understanding that the petition would be a supplement bit. so it gives might just be the king to be in for attack seemed to be given me, i messed a deposit and so on. and having no text involved few years a long time back. i don't think that you would keep up any ambition about running the country. you will not be about politics. and once you pick up a free mad, he will, i think the new, his admission to lead thailand into the future. oh, my interest is one of the time and so on. you know, he's, he's a man who died to take this the hi, katie was dead. you know, then i go for the next step. i can do it because i from it. if that is the case, what do you think will be the reaction? i ask you specifically, because you are a fully yellow shows active is and you were involved in it was

a vocal against tax. and when he did when the election you but trying to unseat his policy in 2008 and even supported the siege of the apple. and it was a very tumultuous time during the time. politics will timelines let tax in with a thing and did the i think the question of type of lead to go to read the has changed now before it was competition among the funds over the affections in, in the politics. but now it is between the conservative and the mentors of the type politics they establish man versus the progressive bosses of the masses of that type. people led by the move forward body. so he's between the elite and the mass is no longer the stucco and the in fighting inside the military as a inside. the conservative establish button, which talks in was one of the establishment of the very beginning. but you want that to model for lies the establish bed. that's why he was

a pause and finally kicked out. but now he had come back to i think, shook hands with him because of the most formidable challenges. so it's coming from the park, receive bosses up, tyler? i mean, pen told her, it was interesting was that when tax and arrived, he made a great show of kneeling before the portrays of the king. this is a king who strips tax and of his royal on is just a few years ago because he was so horrified by the charges of corruption against him. i mean again, it just seems to be a constant f of flu, of people in the tight establishment in ty, politics is tax and now very pro monica as well. uh if you know that harvey asked, you know, um and how you plan it becomes these. um, you know, now you trying to be like pro comes over to them probably when id not only the, even the, you know, get back into the time. and if you look at the news all the time in the past couple

years, you, family, you know, have a recipient of holidays and then you know, give away needs the king is on the new sometime and we can see that. and also, you know, um, before they find, are they use arrive, he's a friend, maybe in tip top the, the, the other guy, the, the bomb or our positions on the outside right? time party. he can do the airport and then set up everything. send out the door and send out everything to, to make sure that when he came out get out from the airport. you compare it to the king's director. so then that's why a lot of times people, they are pretty far as you know, all of that. um, texting maybe she and she and she is maybe unless you need her to be pro well not be. and you know, that may be hard to be a part of the funds that makes it site. and now you know, um that when does it say we are having the, the political conflict, not the same time anymore of the rates within the electronic that is going to be

the concern with he lives by the military and also what hi and may be joining it and also the, the, the, the democratic side of it is going to be the follow up party. mm. do you think we're going to say another color should rise up because time people they may be stymied at the ballot box, but that's certainly vocal when they don't get that voices heard at the ballot box . do you think? i mean, i'm quite surprised that we haven't seen more process so far from all the people who voted for move for the it seems to be quite clause on that front. yes, because the new color is orange of oranges is a blend of yellow and red. and that's the color of the blue box. and it's, it's because of the future for boxing. we did have large scale protests, mostly set by students and younger people. in the 2nd of 2024, which makes stream extensive. people tend to focus on a small number of them in bank. if i there was some results from all over the country. so we saw that process can be mobilized quite rapidly by groups of people

who, but not necessarily and aligned with neither the old yellow, red fashions. but that was 3 years ago. many of the leaders about very much i'm no longer in a position to, to do what they did before. they faced legal charges. they've been terraced, that they've been very, very difficult to function in the years that followed. so it's difficult to see exactly where a large mass of people would come from to be mobilized. but we've also got to say that if we look at the previous process, including the p d. c process and 201314 against the government. these prob discount come out of nowhere, it can seem that they're really all very many people who are furious enough to change the stories and then they need to. so i think it's, it's very difficult to produce anything about the type all takes place, particularly difficult to predict whether there is no potential uncapped cas until you in for a new mobilization of st. politics because those phenomena can happen very so you

can let me take a matter of days or weeks or a new movement to start to emerge. i'm typically when it doesn't much, it doesn't take me to the exact same form as it's a median for classes. so we could be in the something new, but it's likely to be exactly what we've seen before. yeah, that's very interesting because it's her only a week to so i should note we did invite a member to move forward policy to come onto this discussion. but we didn't have a response, which we felt was quite unusual because they have come on and they've spoken before at length. i wonder why they all stepping back from the spotlights. what role are they going to take now? and what all that follow is going to do next. i think the taking stop of the situation, you know, looking at the formation of the new cabinet ministers and so on. but all the, all the seats of this content been going on in the ties so. so i did it in

a wage or li as fuel spot of something to happen then that would be more rarely use under speed and so on. and 2nd is that the former lead the most solve a uh the uh, in particular, going to not on, or will he take the lead in the x, the men 3 active. what the is that the is the sweet ladies or not you has to be on an off. you're not on the speed behind the scenes in front of the said will, will tell you, you pick the mantle of the lead, the shape you know to. i think bush fall, but the democratize the station process of, of thailand that changed to us of the, to have a new funds, the tuition and so on. all of these, i think the things that happen being very fast, but i think one has to be a bit bishop to see what, what will happen. but i think that it does all the dental cleaning that. that would

be some more protest who will lead and all of this and so on. because the, a lot of things that the people do not like, you know, the denial of the 14000000 boards, you know, the treatment and the special treatment and to attack student and so on. i see that he is like, uh, you know, uh a law or something like this based on an auditory piece and the, and all of this and so on. and all the excuses that have come, i think it's people and i think it makes people feel that all of this politicians and bureaucrats may uh, looking at the people that they are now eve. they because they get w. b. i not buffalos. but i think so far the type people have been treated like buffaloes, and that is the seed of discipline. 10 men that will pop up individually. not maybe not at this moment, but i think it will come up as that they can do it for the day is to come on to it as a cause, a problem. it says things happening fast at the moment,

but changes certainly slow to come to tied on. when do you think the people's videos will be on it? when will democracy will? you know, before i ask the lesson more, that i actually move on, what is not quite a if you look at the, you know, social media or can i call and ask you very much in a couple of days. and then most of the, of the fall would be actually a lot of there to talk and it will start graham and not, and on the facebook and sweep or so then they are not quiet. so what's going on, but i think you call them then they will be find a boarding session. so i don't think that will solve or it's quiet about all these kind of thing happen and they plan, i hate, i think that already planned. what's going to do? but highland, who have a real democracy, i think. so. the next election is really important. i think most of what have a high and, you know, potentially also being the last light because people are affect scenes of what's going on a tight and you know, what's the, what's going on for the point at this time, most people abuse apart more with the move forward in the next election. so,

and i have a chance to discuss this bill for my read, sorry to be a lot of a while on mt. they always send the same thing that big for the next time they do fine. okay, duncan, just a minute. we've got left. do you think the next election in thailand will be on it? well, i'd certainly like to think so. right. it's going to get more and more difficult. but the cost to move forward has a number of problems, one of which they produce, but they couldn't even be dissolved enough to reinvent themselves. and you know, the whole point of the landscape wouldn't change. so it wasn't, that wasn't mentioned right now. it feels like the last slide, but it's really difficult to predict all things put on hold of next year or so. we've been in a very, very different situation before too long because it's suddenly done. now. certainly as we can never say that type politics as boring many things to all guests today for joining us. pennsaid to us or want to boot duncan mccaul, go and pass it param. yeah,

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