the city of back lots, a pouring in their own forces and, and sustaining very high casualty rates amongst ukrainian soldiers. but with the understanding that look, the russians are losing mole. so just then we, uh, we may as well continue this because we're going to have to take on the soldiers at some points on some parts of field along this incredibly long front line. this line of contact that runs for so many hundreds of kilometers in ukraine, which is what they have done. so they, they locked in, baffled with. in fact, most wagner has now pulled out. it's interesting, this has been a public holiday here in ukraine. it's independence day. and we have been out in advance on the streets talking to people covering this independence day. that's been mocked here the 2nd independence day that's been marked by ukraine in locked in this in this bit to war and a people a very non committal about because you, we've been asking about progressing. what do you think about his apparent demise and they did the departure revive?

now, as for most people, they say, well that it doesn't really change yet. i think we're still locked in this conflict in this will with russia. other people was saying, well that was something of and then they have its ability about this, that pre goshen. once he took on the credibly wants you to come, the russian leadership in such an open and public way the clock will read the was taking it seems before his ultimate demise. okay, well mcbride, thanks very much for joining us. the from ukraine. the let us just go on the 17 gmc and let's bring up speed with the breaking news that we are following here on out. as the era, the russian president vladimir putin has expressed his condolences over the death of russia's most powerful mess. murray, the wagner treat chief of getting for goes and that is effectively breaking his

silence of the 24 hours since the death of the goes and in the plane. pushing referred to him as a talented businessman. he is known since the 19th saying he will follow the investigation into his death position. was listed amongst 10 people on a jet that came down just north of mosca. across comes 2 months off to the former ally off the russian president, lived a short lived a short lived recently against military leaders in moscow. his was, the russian president had to say, a hit. so look at the us for the association incident. first of all, i want to express my sincere condolences to the families of all the victims. it is always a tragedy. and indeed, if, as the primary data indicates, wagner employees were also there, i would like to note that these are people who have made

a significant contribution to our common cause of fighting the neo nazi regime and ukraine. we remember this, we know, and we will not forget our new pre goes in for a very long time from the beginning of the ninety's. he was a man of difficult fate and mistakes. he had serious things in life, and he cheated the result he needed for himself. and when i asked him about it for a common cause, as in his last months, like he was a talented person, a talented businessman. she worked not only in our country and worked with results, but also abroad in africa. in particular. he was engaged in all gas, precious metals and stones. there. as far as i know, she returned from africa and met some officials here. the head of the investigative committee reported to me this morning. they have already launched a preliminary investigation into this incident, and it will be carried out in full and brought to an end. there is no doubt here.

let's see what the investigators say in the future. and now examinations, technical examinations and genetic ones are being carried out until this will take some time to speak now to daniel hall. kevin st joins us live from moscow. and daniel of the 24 hours of radio silence from the kremlin is a progression. we have this announcement from vladimir putin and the way it was done. it was kind of soft and it could have, i'm assuming, wasn't it on the sidelines of amazing the yeah, in the den the, just before we come to some what some of the foods and said, there's always have been a statement now from russian foreign minister. so good offer off is obviously in the john his book at the brakes. uh, 15 summit standing in uh, full points and he said the quote until the enrollment. see the russian mistake

medium. use that you'd say let's wakeful the investigation. a key on people to look at the facts and not to listen to what west the media are saying that statement to him from such a law for us. a very brief of other factual touring on people to wait for any sort of official confirmation and sort of official results from the investigative committee. and from those looking into this case, not to speculate and to go too much into analysis about from russia's talk to them about the oh, just minutes off of the statement from vladimir poets and the russian president. of course. yes, quite rightly. i certainly did take his time to comments on this case. it was a very long 24 hours with the media, maintaining, not exactly big of science, but certainly keeping coverage to a bad minimum keeping things extremely affect sewell, extremely unemotional, not going into a particular analysis. and with this statement, and that'd be a boots. and i suppose so very much the middle ground. he paid tribute to the

wagner finances, as the people who are heroes of russia, floats, and brush of interest, paid tribute as well to production, and a somebody who made a contribution. quotes as the president said to the funds against naziism, and you claim at the same time, no, of course saying he did make serious mistakes and he was a difficult man with his he's the statement that'd be a puts in. really giving this to just about the, the, the minimal required attention to come out and say something given official information and acknowledgement of what's happened while not taking things too far . either way. and as i said, not dedicating any ad. so i'm at the brick summit to this key event. so that's a very important both for both of us, of presidents and for russia right now. but saying this at a meeting with the thing is pushing and who's the official russian official in charge of the donuts republic. so again, 24 hours on was on from this across,

not even foods, and finally coming out. so with this confirmation which we can take to uh, to mean uh, uh, uh, confirmation that you can, you promotion and assumable a us assuming leave that for the other people on board the plane to meet that he was getting his is deputies. one man happened the parish, the in that crush in this cause of the old list and the russian media that has not given much time either to the news of this crash in the day to or give guinea for goshen. even as it's dominated headlines around the world in the past 24 hours, when one does what the coverage would be like no. oh yes, certainly interesting how that's going to change. um, when i was covering the story just uh, this off the news, the news websites with the story hadn't even updated since last month. and it was

very slow to release details for clinging as that the house going on keeping things as a site. a very factual, just a barely enough to tell people what's going on, how the investigation is progressing. that shop controls the lot of what's the media we've seen here, which has been analyzing and speculating, put in 4 different theories. that's something that's not very presence in, in the russian media landscape. and then russian media disclose. now that there was a personal information here and the kremlin was the poets in mr. lab rules. i have set some sort of tools as to, i guess how to take this given some sort of assessment of what's going on. and so i get off with them particularly cooling when people to wait for the results investigation and wait for the results of the facts of the media perhaps will be more active in exploring some credentials, theories as the ones who and what was behind this crush

was that in russia, daniel full give guinea progression just those the line uh a little bit didn't hear the 1st part of your question. um, are we talking about the reaction to the death of beginning point? indeed indeed of how we can gauge then the level of support in russia for him. oh yeah, absolutely. i mean, we've seen the footage from st. petersburg from the mc barton office, where people from last night have been bringing candles and flowers and rece savings were unusual from mine that was subsequent traverse on. so i'd say a divisive figure around, i'll just say it was getting some, a reaction gauging some reaction on the street. so to today, uh, to his desk with some people labeling him a traits. uh, somebody who committed

a very trees and the fact that it probably difficult fun for us to bring the country so is most serious, but it will process in 3 decades. the bring cold but you know, perhaps even the civil war. others saying this man played a role in fighting for us. his interest in this, i think in defending buses, interest, i think whatever people full of promotion as a character, as a man, as a, as a, as a stick ahead to sub department for so long and so russian interests abroad. many people do them as a man who spoke truths to power, perhaps that somebody would label him. you said things that needed to be said that was simply lacking in russian political discourse and a force. he became almost uh, a mean like character on the russian incident, people closing his exploitive, leaving videos he's shouting is that he's ations that the russian defense minister of the russian chief of stop accusing them of corruption and confidence. but this

was always very unusual for the russian public. it's very unusual to russian politics to see does he loan for a few like it's such a high level to be ad in public and production was very much the exception to the and he said things which other people simply couldn't get away with. indeed, look at the ego to give him the russian rebel who was a commode, and a don't mess. now. jail to now detained raw the russian cyber security policies on very see risk allegations, precaution was never targeted like this before. of course, the events of uh, 2 months ago, the 23rd of june. so to many, as i say, he was a devices to go to some trees in this mind who can give it a dangerous manual. russia to bring him catastrophe to others as to guy who felt for us, his interest and of the rex uncompromising on public way. off this confirmation has

come through, it remains to be seen, of course, what the reaction will be from wagner was to remain for the sun. and up until now, who they're going to be under control under the control of who's going to be quoting the shots, who they will also to and what their role will be in southern rushes interest abroad. okay, new wilkins various places up from most good. thanks very much, daniel will pull brennan takes a look now at the event for korea of the mine who was once known as pretentious i have often seen on the front lines. usually dressed in the combat fatigues of a ministry command. if any precaution cultivated the image of an action man, the boss of ivank, the group of ministry contract as percussion, proved himself willing and able to advance russian interest in a way the few others could achieve. stroke on the bottom, he rose to pa, in russia, from humble beginnings and some pages, but he was a teenage criminal,

subbing time for robbery and fraud, then became a hot dog salesman. then the man known as putin shift is catering company hosted events for the following leaders, as well as vladimir putin private but they parties and it wasn't until 2022. the precaution admitted that he had found at the wagon a private military company is earlier in east and ukraine has been so successful as a private so military company has become essentially a franchise. and so you have different, really, very distinct organizations that carry the same brand. it was the war and ukraine and watkins role in it, which cemented precautions importance from 2014 why the contracts had reinforced and organized the pro russian separatist fighters in crimea. and don't pass. wagner played a crucial role in russia's 2022 invasion. the handful of russian battlefield success

is often coming as a result of precautions must enrich rather than regular russian troops. all done with the political and financial backing. president putin and the criminal obviously putting has created precaution, regardless of a self made man. he spoke most projects to create a sort of a competitive alternative military for assuming i should to boost the effectiveness of the regular russian army prouder. emma shrugged his fondness for video selfies and uncompromising rhetoric boosted his popular warranty within russia and his profile outside of russia. but his temper, combined with a willingness to open the parade, the russian defense ministry undoubtedly made him enemies and exploits if phil's rance, about the lack of a munition on the front lines, was aimed directly at the general's in moscow and expose the depth of the feud between precaution, um pollutants closest, tremendous or not. so you can watch go by pretty pop up. we have

a 70 percent shortage of ammunition showing. go garage him up tomorrow. where where's the munition look at them? the precaution ordered his fights as to advance on moscow. it set events in motion which made his down full, perhaps inevitable precaution cold in a much polluted brand of trees. and there was only going to be one when a precaution was forced to back down observed as with surprise shot, even when the kremlin announced that the boss would not face criminal charges from the rebellion precautions, life expectancy has been the topic of intense speculation ever since pull, brennan, i'll just 0. that's bringing model, i'm the shower, he's out of there, a senior political analyst and joins us mount via skype from paris. well, one 1st of all, what do you make of the way bottom document? putin has confirmed the death of gift any progression.

well, that's a, a conventional way if you will, to distance themselves from the beginning and clearly to speak with such a coolness about the crime that happened in the, in the air space around moscow. and to, and to just be perception detached manner. uh, even uh, as we were there earlier, complimenting the motion that 80 uh for his actions, which you know, our product and service, especially in the middle east and africa. all to say that he's going to be looking into it and that the, the who cleans a box a certain assurance that the russia or food is behind that kind of thing that this is not sensible. do you think now that progression has gone on in these, the uh, the of the co founder of the group as well. do you think that that makes wagner

a more dangerous group across the world? as you know, it is not clear to us what to do. it has done the last 3 months since what you call the treason since the betrayal since the march on moscow. the course, presumably what, what she window or should have done was a carefully into what the rag net, what the bag now is exactly and weight it is. and how does in function and how, which finances are one and some of what the capital was. and then once that is done, and if indeed wanted to get your dolls, uh, pollution, then he would be able then to reassemble it for us via something but, and we have some great again. so we don't know exactly what happened the last 2 months. what we know for the thought is that as far as wagner's concerned in russia itself clearly boots and would have lots of controls. but then as far opperation is

in africa limited east, that of course remains to be seen. and what all surveys to be seen is what we don't know what's happening with the forefront within the organizations. and if they will accept, basically just to uh, you know, get to the program as well as it was. and to started working more closely with the russian government. what sort of message do you think it was the bottom of page? and uh, if indeed, he was responsible for the downing of this plane was trying to send. and to him, you know, having issues with the social mysteries, right? first of all, i don't believe it can be and it didn't in the 2nd certainty, or that i believe certainty is a miss. but when it comes to these sorts of issues, of course, it's very easy to sing that out to change because with the crime happened in russia,

fortune has a record of killing his detractors, whether they are showing that his or whether they are, you know, former allies and human rights activists and so on, so forth. so there's a long record of that. and there's clearly something to gain from uh, the idea that he would give someone who betrayed him and also send a message to others who might even think of betraying him. and he will actually take over about another one, some full. i'm avoid any future embarrassment. so when it comes to the question tweet, oh no, we put say duck. yes, pushing has much to gain if he indeed can read in the organization and stabilize the country. but if this killing is going to lead to more instability and violence and to more embarrassment of the kremlin and tomorrow, accusations of it's human rights violations and it's low flow regime. then one

could also say the answer to qui bono is put things i name is who would like to have cat at this operation or the entire spectrum. and then we'll look at that as well. okay? and to lead to that kind of perhaps a domino effect that will lead to. busy the rack, another group to uh, you know, doing community again and, and so on. shuffle, we don't know, we have a lot of information, but we don't have can affect the really sick that out. who is behind the kidding. a lot of people would say it's for john, the, the one who i put in personally, i'm not a gambler. okay. a when, if one assumes that this coming creates more of a stability for the kremlin, rather than instability. for example, the russian leads. now see that putin is firmly in charge. he's made that point. is that not a bonus for president person? absolutely, and that's part of the argument that the answer can be more know is that he will

basically, once again as he did the last 21 years as both prime minister as president to be able to rein in the position to be able to, to actually take full control as a member of indian. uh, you know, he has that sort of a tendency to do though to deal with. and i'm 1st, the question is his former, all right, the way he behaved, you know, living i should, your life a violent life. and dying i should be best and a violent death might in some. busy ways yes uh 6 not out. busy i mean, bottom one by the prominent, but again, we don't have all the facts. and despite all the information, we could also say that when it comes to who benefits, it could be the problem. and it could be, it's the, it's entities. okay, mom, the shower of brass, the view that from paris, thanks very much. mon well,

ukrainian present flooded met zelinski earlier today, denied any involvement in the crash. it glued green over the law is when ukraine was reaching out to other countries regarding the planes. this is not what we had in mind. i'll tell you honestly, we had something completely different in mind. we wanted support, although perhaps this may also help in some way. we don't have any connection to the situation that's for sure. i think everyone understands that who is involved or every single member state must hold russia accountable for his work choice, especially because rushes attacks on you train our tax on a saw on the u. n's, very charter on the principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity. and on the world's food supply, from the earliest days of its full scale invasion of ukraine,

russia has weaponized food. this is a deliberate part of this worst strategy. and it's having devastating impact it is having a devastating impact on people facing of cute food in security, particularly in the middle east and africa. when i say russia is waging a war on the world's food supply, i mean this literally, you can see this in the pictures that we brought here today, which showed the damage. russia has done to ukraine's ports and brain infrastructure. time and time again, russia has destroyed food and the means to produce it. and just this week, reports indicate rushing drones from ukrainian brain facilities at the new river port in his mouth. last month, brush also unilaterally withdrew from the black print c grain initiative and

initiative that was helping brain get out to the world, especially the developing world. this is norma. this is not the behavior. okay, that was the us invested to the un linda thomas greenfield, speaking the at the un headquarters in new york. let's demo from our correspondent christian salumi. she's also the apps, the u. n. in new york and christian. what has been the united nations reactions sofa to the death of if any progression as well, neither the united nations secretary general nor the diplomats that i've spoke to here have had an official reaction to the death of per goes. and, and we've been speaking to many of the un officials and to the diplomats as well. and when you speak to the diplomats, they don't want to get ahead of their capitals on this evolving situation. and,

but it's clear that everyone is paying close attention and watching for the repercussions, particularly for the united nations in west africa. the un is in the process actually of withdrawing it's peace keeping force known as the news. not from molly . at the request of the transitional government, they are the government expressing its frustration with the un calling for it to leave and putting the wagner group in place to fill the void left by the news my who has until the end of the year to withdraw those $12500.00 troops from the area. the instability in the region has been clear since this announcement is happened. the analyst know that there's been an increase of violence between groups associated with al qaeda and his law mich state. in the area, we've seen the accusations from the un that since the

transitional authority, there has gotten close to wagner group that there had been more human rights abuses in uh, counter terrorism, military operations conducted by the molly authorities backed by the wagner group, the united states has directly pointed a finger finger at wagner for preventing developments that are needed to transition to a democracy and a civilian government. in that country, we've seen the spillover and other countries like new share, where there's been a cool recently, all of this is making operations for you and troops in the re age and very dicey. they have come under more attacks as well. and the time frame for drawing down the forces in molly was always going to be very difficult. they're supposed to get out by the end of the year now with uncertainty in the share and major transit hub and the unknown of what will happen in molly. now that there's this on certain command

structure for the wagner group, all of that is basically adding more complication for you and officials as a carry out that on the directions of the security council to draw down the mission . so it's not a lot of official reaction, but a lot of apprehension, a lot of watching to see how this plays out and affects you and abrasions, particularly in west africa up. so there's a lot of questions in the kristen for the moment. thanks very much for joining us, that from united nations. let's go now to cave in the ukraine, where we can speak to a correspondent the rob mcbride just before we spoke to kristen rhodes we heard from the son of autumn is a lensky. he was denying any responsibility for you craze roll or saying that was no roll if you claim in the death of frank goshen. yeah, absolutely. yeah. the dislike to statements from july,

the med foods in is being regarded with extreme cynicism here in the ukraine. you know, this is uh, we've had 24 hours of silence from the kremlin about somebody who is nothing in consequential kyra to on the russian seeing if anything, you know, this is a creation of the russian system. you've had russian state run media, lionizing, uh, the power and victories of uh, of the wagner on the battlefield of ukraine, especially on the eastern front. a sudden the, the, the, his apparent demise is being told about by all of the world's media with a head from said guy love role. that this is just the web, the machinations of western media if you like. and that there's nothing ready to discuss. but the, the absolute relative silence within russia itself, silence from the kremlin. and then suddenly, just in his old list on the states way, a meeting between vladimir putin in the seeing the official saying, oh yes about the aviation incident, isn't it's out about this. up

a patriots him and all the wagner leaders who were doing that patriotic g, g, a, a, talking about him, a battery, and then on the state did way and all those saying there's nothing else to see here . please move on. there isn't the official investigation on the 8th, and if it's an official inquiry report will come out to due course, we've heard from i've loved him is a landscape the ukrainian president. and i press briefing earlier today to march independent states and public holidays. here in ukraine saying that as far as he is concerned, ukraine has had nothing a tool to do with this, saying that everybody knows who was involved the a few here from key vase that this has the fingerprints of the kremlin of the russian leadership all over the demise of you have, can you put a goshen and rope just press up to speed with what the role now of voc that in ukraine is. that's why it's very interesting. especially there is no wagner here in ukraine or any of the russian,

a controlled parts of ukraine did a cease to exist as an organization. we know that in this, especially with the russian military, with the establishment of, of the ministry of defense. there was this effort to get bogged the soldiers to sign contracts with the, the russian defense ministry, its own clear exactly how. how many wagner fighters have done that have gone over and signed contracts? because of course, many of these involved in the fights is awful about russian soldiers who have left the russian military for whatever reasons. many of them wanting nothing more to do with the russian military establishment prefer during the day, the more swashbuckling life of a private lesson, re that spot, but a page and so on. so it's unclear exactly how many of these bonds the fight is of going back to the russian ministry of defense. how many of them now may have signed for regular run.