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some buses ferrying potentially demonstrators who will be there in a few hours time. we expect to see large crowds, and then we'll terminate at the national stadium here in the capital. they are expected to riley to show support to the government after one months in office. the government else who side in the introduction remains defiant. although we understand that negotiations or mediation is continuing back to how, how far would that go? we don't, we don't know at the moment. $2.00 military has attacked positions of the power, military rapids simple forces in the capital. fighting between the recess time the army has been spreading from the capital comp to to other parts of the country since it started in mid april. the united nations is wanting the conflict could to the region into a humanitarian catastrophe. the other thing is underway in the west african country of double web presence. ali bohn go is seeking at the time the president and his late father before him have rules since independence and problems in 1966 main
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opposition policies of chosen l. but on the also was the candidate, at least 9 people have died after a fire broke out on a train in southern india, at least 20 of us would take him to hospital. a gas cylinder brought on board by some passengers is said to have caused the fire. football paused for this is around 5 this morning while he was still asleep. there was a noise from behind. people shouting, fire, fire, run. i did not understand, but still i ran towards the door, but it was locked and no one could get out. then someone broke the lock and some people were able to get out. by them, the smoke was very close to the door of a coach and i felt choked, and then i started taking god's name investigators in russia. i've recovered the blank boxes from the plane, believe tubing, coming. wagner, tree. if you've got any progression when it crashed on wednesday, an investigation is now underway and dna examinations on being carried out to establish the identities of the time people who died on thursday,
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a russian president vladimir peach and the pay to confirm provisions death. the kremlin, his coal speculation may have been involved and the crash, a complete lie. the spanish football federation is refusing to back down on it support for the oakland stations president that we sort of the alice in the statement. it said that it will take legal action in response to comments made by well kept winning plas, jenny, who may say low on friday. she said she didn't consent to being kissed on the lips by the balance after the teens victory. i think that his version of events was part of the manipulative culture that he's generated. maybe alice says, refute refused to resign. he's and says that he's the victim of a social assassination. 13 people, including 7 children, have died and a stem paid at the stage him in madagascar his capital. it happened during the opening ceremony of the indian nation. the island games more than a 100 people were injured as the danish government, as present to the bill criminalizing the binding of the highly books in public. the
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the a. hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. who's up and who's down after the 1st debate of most republican presidential candidates, and can any of them compete with donald trump? let's get to the bottom line. the, the republican agenda was on full display this week as the party tries to take back the white house in next year's election. in the 1st debate of the season, 8 candidates argued about religion, about abortion, about support for ukraine, how to fix the american education system, and how to deal with the rise of china. former president donald trump is so far ahead and opinion polls that he decided to just skip it. he talked to former fox news host tucker carlson in a sprawling interview instead. now the question for republicans is,
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can may convince and majority of the american people, not just the folks in their own party, to, by end of their ideas or at least turn their backs on president joe biden. and the democrats next year and do these debates even matter. today we're talking with rodney davis, former republican congressman from illinois and now the managing director of cozen o'connor, a lobbying firm in washington, dc. and shelby telecom politics reporter for summit for wearing full disclosure. i also work. thank you both for joining us. you were in congress. i mean, you've been in these debates before and as you looked at the party that i think you still belong to, but then you served as a representative of did you see any positive sprigs from the conversation tell last night? let's be serious. this debate last night was like going through a 19 eighties era professional, roughly match, and having ric flair cancel on his match the day before the event. you know, donald trump is the ric flair of this professional rustling type presidential
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campaign for the republican nomination. right now, and everybody else was part of the under, under car, and on, fortunately, because i certainly want one of these candidates to be our nominee. but unfortunately, i don't think one of them stepped up to really, truly claim that 2nd place that's taking place manual. so that they can get the rest of america to rally around, you know, when you think about other elements of this debate where there were policy differences, i was intrigued that they were real differences on abortion, for instance. and you had nikki haley chastising mike pence, the former vice president for advocating and standing and pastoring a policy that she said would never pass. i'd like to hear from both of you what you thought were the more meaningful policy differences between some of the candidates that maybe educating those people watching. and that might be a net positive out of this a rodney, i don't know if at all, oh,
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go ahead. go ahead. go ahead shelby, i don't know if a portion was and that positive for the republican candidates on stage. i think it actually just served as reinforcement in the idea that the republican party has struggled on the issue of abortion since row on the other. so one topic i thought was pretty enlightening was ukraine. and this is where we saw a wide variety of people. we saw make pens to kind of the old school the, the us is responsible for helping ukraine approach. um we saw ronda santos take a little bit more of a dodging, middle of the ground approach, where he said, well, we should give you crane aid if other countries step up and help you solve a vague rama swami. take the more mag, a product where he says, no, we should cut off ukraine 8 entirely. and so that really shows where the republican party is at, in terms of this issue, which is a big issue for the 2024 election. rodney, how did you see some of the policy nuances that that emerged in the conversation as
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well? absolutely. what shelby, just mention there really weren't many policy discussions. you know, what we saw was nikki haley, have her moment by chastising debate about his lack of foreign policy experience. and vague started the debate, i think really strong, but then kind of became the court jester. and he wanted to interrupt everyone to get the attention on himself, rightfully so, because not many people knew who he was before that debate. and in the yeah. and he ended up being the one that many candidates focused on to get their points across. nikki haley did the best job a standing right next to him in corner and him on the issue of foreign policy. and that's where vague is going to be weak coming into the future. i don't think this debate ended up helping him in the long run. if it would've ended about after 15 minutes, i think he would have come out the clear winner buddy true. he surely didn't last night. yes. strong candidates in for the general election. i believe like ron de santis and tim scott. ron started out very brief,
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angrier than i knew him as. but as the debate went on, i thought he got better. and tim, tim did not get enough time to show who he really was. tim was somebody in this debate who didn't argue, didn't jump in, didn't interrupt because that you pretend scott is at. we'll see if it helps him or not. but this debate was anything but a true debate and it's anything but a anything but a, an entertainment venue rather than a venue to where we can select a candidate who can take the trump mantle away from him. to what degree are these to pates? really job interviews for positions in the future, trump administration, or contending for a v p slot. after watching the debate last night with vice president patch in it, i can't imagine any of them let alone any one wanting to be donald trump's vice
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president. look what it got, mike patch, and i'll tell you just from personal perspective. the many meetings i had with president trump at the white house during his, during his administration. i can tell him on one hand, those that mike pants was not a part of mike pierce was the most loyal vice president that i've seen in my generation. and what did he get out of it? he, he got, he basically got exiled by donald trump and you saw him on stage trying to bring relevance to his presidential campaign. again. i mean, when the question that is asked is, did mike parents do the right thing on january 6th? you kind of see where the republican, where the republican primary elect. sure it is right now. i was with mike france on january 6th. you damn righty. did the right thing. that was the right thing for our cost to sion in the country. and there should be no debate about it within the republican primary or anywhere else for that matter, but all of them except based on hutchinson former governor barrick, arkansas,
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you know, essentially said that they would be supportive of donald trump. and even if convicted of serious um, federal crimes and that he would, they would still support donald trump in that in that case. and so it raises this interesting question which i think conflicts a little bit with what you said shelby, how can both things be true? how can they both authentically seriously want to be president united states and still be so up sick? we us to the last president who's facing so many federal indictments. i think the simple answer is you look at the republican base as a whole. and when i'm on the ground talking to voters, which, you know, we've been to south carolina, new hampshire, iowa. even the voters who are interested in a trump alternative or flat out don't want trump to be present in again, at the same time. don't want to vote for somebody who directly goes after the former president. and there's this, there's this kind of weird. uh, there's
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a weird situation going on with the republican voters where trump has such a hold over them. were even if, even if they don't want him to be present. and again, they just, they, they are buying in to the rhetoric he is telling them about these indictments being politically motivated. and if, if they're coming from me, they're actually coming for you next. and so it is very fine line that trump's opponents are having a walk and almost impossible line where they're running against him, but they can't really come out against him. well, let me ask you a question. i'm gonna show you both a poll here that we have. it's a pretty remarkable apollo to pull up, trump supporters, trump voters. and the question is, you know, if you were to ask who you trust most, you know, who's telling you the truth. and of those people pulled 71 percent sent say donald trump, and that's 63 percent for friends and family. in other words, they trust donald trump, more than friends and family,
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which is just remarkable. what are we, you know, i'd like our audience to understand the tectonics of political view in a non disparaging way. what's happening in the republican party in the trunk base, and is there any tension there that we should you know that, that, that might be interesting to discuss? well, well 1st off, steve, you know, then i represented a district that was 5050 district in congress from illinois for 10 years. uh, the democrats and illinois re district did a district that i now live in that made it a solid trump republican district. and donald trump is a reason, i'm not in congress anymore. i lost my primary because he endorsed my opponent. and i saw what your poll actually stated. first had my election. every poll we had that is winning until election day when we did. and when you look at what donald trump did in my district, he came to an area the did tell me,
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didn't know my opponent. and he was able to change the projected turn out model and substantial numbers to where i lost the race. so donald trump is believed by many in the republican primary voter block. and it frustrates me because donald trump is somebody as president and even after president after his presidency. he's not known for being a directly honest on every issue. and that just goes beyond the republican party to stay. this goes beyond this goes to where we are in america is a culture right now where people will go find their news on their social media sites that they already agree with and assume that there is no other view point. we don't have debates. what alone, primary debates for presidential nominations to go a ride like last night. we don't even have debates between individuals that can actually talk to each other in that to me, is the long term damaging effect of what we seen in politics today. and it's not
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just relevant to the republican party, i can tell you that 1st in you know, shelby, when you talk to the trunk team and the people around him. what are the things that you think might throw him off that might get him in to make him think that he needs to go on stage with some of these content there is, or is he so far ahead, so high in the heavens right now in the g o p that, that's just never going to happen because i mean, interested in now what part 2, part 3, part 4. and will any of this be relevant to the, should the choice that the republican party makes? it's funny you, you asked that because i was actually speaking the trunk team last night in the spin room which they were. and although trump didn't participate in the rate, and i did ask, you know, it, do you think he's going to do any of these debates, any of these primary debates? and i was told don't bet on it essentially. but at the same time, it's trump, he's very unpredictable. he could just wake up tomorrow and decide that somebody
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said something and he feels like he needs to go on stage. but it seems unlikely at this point, if the republican primary pulling wise continues the way it goes. now the other interesting thing i also asked trump's team was, well, doesn't this give joe biden on out? as trump does win the nomination in the general, and they kind of disagree and they said they didn't think it gave him an out of. but i have heard that argument that it absolutely would give joe right in and out in the general election to be let me, let me ask you about another poll. this one ran and the new york times, it was a hypothetical, stand off between a bite and then trump is fascinating. they are tied neck and neck in the eyes. 43 percent, 43 percent, with 14 percent still out there waiting to choose. it's a close race when you kind of look at that, and it's much closer than i would have bought between these 2 very well known entities. and i guess my question is,
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are there other republicans out there that you see who might be able to clobber biden and might be a better reflection of republican conservatism. from your perspective, every single candidate on that stage would be jo pipe. i mean, it's, it's, it's not surprising to me that many in the belt way and many, then some of our larger metropolitan areas are surprised by the fact that donald trump and joe biden are tied in that pull, let alone any polls. because his metropolitan cities of america despise donald trump, it's personal. they can't find them. anybody supporting him. but i live in an area in rural america that they can understand why anybody would vote for a job i. that's the disconnect and we have a true polarization happening in america between not just our red and blue stage, but between our rule and urban parts of america. and, and that, and believe in donald trump, being a candidate who's tied with joe biden is
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a direct result of that polarization in the urban areas where many of us, uh, many of us work or reside like in washington, dc. and i, i interested it was, i was interested in hearing shelby's comments on the debate. there's absolutely no way that donald trump debates any of these people. he can get any stage he wants at any time. and the media will, them will immediately turn their head away like the, the, the character, the dog, and the movie up on. it's like a score. they will look at trump like squirrel. and they will figure out how to ask every elected republican, a question about donald trump and not a single one for months about the other candidates that participated in that debate . and donald trump, he doesn't need to debate if he makes it when he makes to the general election. if you believe the polls right now, because i believe the only reason he lost the 2020 election because he had such a performance in the 1st debate in september of that year. rod, you know,
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i was familiar with the many steps that you took after january 6th and i went our audience to know that after january 6, congressmen rodney davis was sponsible in many ways for helping to shape the security environment. the interaction with the capital police, a lot of the broad governance issues in the administration of the, the house of representatives. and you deal, you dealt with a lot with law enforcement and all of those issues. i guess i'm interested in your personal reaction to the team and ization of so many law enforcement institutions, the f b i, and really very strident talks about firing, cris ray. i'm, you know, the director of the f. b. i interested in how you feel, given how much you did after january 6th to try to jo, a lot of that. well, 1st off, there's nobody who's a bigger supporter of law enforcement at all levels. then i will a guy i'm here and my friends that play on the republican congressional baseball
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team with me are still alive today because we saw brave well trained capitol police officers, de bailey and crystal greiner, run toward gun fire. so we could run away from gunfire. and a baseball field in alexandria virginia a few years ago. but i loved the capital police, they saved my life. but that doesn't mean i'm not critical decisions that the management of the capital police and the governing body called the capital police board, pre and post january 6 that they made and have made. and frankly, i'm still disappointed in many of the security pastor decisions that have been put in place in and around the capital complex, because i don't think they've gone far enough yet. and the same thing can be said about the department of justice. i don't know. merrick darling, i really haven't worked with him. i don't know, chris, what chris chris re i haven't worked with him, but we do know that we have leaders in the f. b. i that spied on the truck campaign
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in 2016. that created a hoax. the russia hopes that i know, and i believe truly was concocted by opposition research that the hillary clinton campaign paid for. and i do believe much of america truly thinks that there's a 2 tiered system of justice, which is why every time donald trump gets indicted, his pulling numbers goes up. they go up. donald trump is the best person playing the victim. but let's not under estimate how low america feels right now when it comes to our, our, our upper echelon of law enforcement. those who run those agencies a shelby. i love to get your take on, you know, the discussion in the spin room and also on stage about the, the i director about the kind of weapon ization of the legal system. because this does seem to, is really strike a chord with a lot of americans, but it raises then, i think a fundamental question, question about citizens in their faith and trust and government ok. and what you
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have, if you just have, i mean, it kind of a kind of begins to look like just to really, very different worlds that have a hard time talking to each other. but i'm just interested in that legal, institutional toxicity, if you will. i think that everything i've heard on the ground and on the beach said from candidates from republican voters, is it clear that trusting government is at an all time low? and so i don't think actually i, i agree with with running here. i think i that, that argument that we heard on stage about the port association of the fbi i in the d o j. it's something that resonates with a lot of republican voters and independent voters. and so it is kind of a winning argument right now with, in the republican party, aside from whether you or at, you know, you personally believe it's true is how a lot of voters are feeling. and so it makes sense to me that trump's opponents are
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taking, he's a, his indictments and kind of leaning into that aspect of it. while at the same time, not necessarily leaning into defending some of his actions with some of these particular indictments. they see a clear lane to push the, the belief that so many republican voters feel across the country that this is a 2 tiered system of justice. shelby, i, you know, one of the things i've been was watching for last night was sort of the race for number 2 and, you know, florida governor, randa santos has been clearly number 2. i don't know if that's still the case now. he advocated last night day, one of his presidential administration, gathering troops and deploying them inside mexico to the border, which is a fairly provocative statement. i'm just interested in your gut feeling as you look at it. who do you think is, is his basically emerging around that number 2 now, and who do you think we will never see again on the debate spent? the i think the bank is probably the one is emerging as, as de santis, his biggest potential opponent just because, you know,
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you saw on the debate stage last night before de santis got on stage. the expectation was he was going to be the one who was attacked left to right and it was vivek. and i don't know if that was partially because he's rising in the polls . he's number 3 in most of the falls at this point, but also because he's a 38 year old with no political experience. and so i think these other candidates on stage who are seasoned, you know, are, are a little bit like, hey, man, what are you doing here? this is an easy job. you know, you can't just come in here and, and say that you will do x, y, z. so, so i, i, but i don't think this debate was bad for the staff. as i heard the argument from his campaign afterwards that he stayed above the fray. he showed that he was the adult in the room and that he came out strong and that was why the other candidates didn't hit him. i don't know if i believe the last part, but i do believe that, you know, we'll see polls as, as to how voters felt like republican candidates. dad, i think he'll be pretty high on that list. i think it's a 100 and i think hutchinson probably was on the lower end of the list just because
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he didn't seem to make a slash in any way whatsoever. i think chris christy did exactly what he was came to do, which was throw some scratch hammers and throw some punches. i don't think it was necessarily a horrible debate for any one of the candidates. right. let me ask you the same question. be interested to see who you think we might not hear from again on the debate stage, and whether you think there are other folks we may have yet to see. enter this race, the those that won't be on the debate stage again a so hutchinson, he'll be gone. doug brougham, he could, he shouldn't be the next candidate. that would go because he really is a no no and but he has the personal resources to meet the requirements that might be forth that are forthcoming by the warranty. so you can't count him out. but in the governor to santa's he, he won the he won parts of the debate last night because he didn't take the bait. and i think he was smart to look around and realize everybody was looking at the
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clown show that became vague and they attacked the vague instead of him. that was a good thing because i think everybody's thought after the dissenters debate memo was linked by his consultant that ron was going to be structured on his talking points and go after vague. he didn't have to do that. he did not to follow his poli memo. maybe that was a genius moved by his team and to get everybody else to focus on the vague because he was truly the one who was given. ron, the most heartburn before that event, final final final world to, to shelby was trump right. not to show up. yeah, i think i think he had a point not to show up as his team has said, i'm purely speaking from a. 1 if i was running, if i was part of a republican campaign, not from a personal perspective, he's up in the polls a lot. and so i see the argument that if he showed up, he would be legitimizing his of his opponents. for what reason?
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and i've even heard this argument made by democrats that i've talked to in recent weeks, who privately say, yeah, listen, it was smart for him not to show up. this is essentially a race for 2nd former times and rodney davis and journal, a shelby tucker tel cost. fascinating conversation. thank you so much for joining us. thanks steve. thank. so what's the bottom line? you might be wondering why should anybody care about what's going on now in the republican party if the elections are late next year? well, that's because presidents races are marathons they're not sprints. what's happening now will definitely affect what happens next november, besides the internal debates. among republicans, sue won't have debates between republicans and democrats. everybody's trying to persuade the american people that they have a plan for their future along the way. so many names and faces will arise and those thinking they have an edge will slip and those behind may gain. this was just the
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