of the dependent begins releasing treated radioactive was that from the focus even pop up, new engineer kit watchdog and says it's safe. but china disagrees. regional states and public opinion divide. so all the fans justified. a lot of the scientists say this is inside story. the

other welcome to the program on the clock, these phenomena in 2011 that swamped the fukushima pop pond to japan. that to the world with nuclear accidents, since you know about 25 years before the meltdown of its reactors have left a legacy of waste, including radioactive water. so much in fact that there's not enough space to store it. japan says it's planned to treat and discharge the water into the sea has been approved as safe by the us nuclear watchdog, the international atomic energy agency o i a e a. if i continue to take all, what's the measure to i ensure i'd safety the we, we hope to ensure b, e, u, i a is continue the involve uh, the, these just a thought that we are fed to my full embalming was never bought. not to the pub, like a convinced hold his name. no. as for the treated,

walter cocoa, electric power company already talks about tritium. but i believe there are other radio new types that remaining in the water in those tanks. does this mean it's still safe in a way that everyone believes it to be? i find that questionable. most of all are many me and i see on i cause the release was covered by many media reports. business was normal until about 1 pm draft to that my impression was that we had fewer customers at the restaurants. a china a strongly opposes the radioactive both release and has roughly imposed a blanket band on japanese seafood impulse who actually showed you transferred from china and other stakeholders have repeatedly pointed out what's the just the nuclear contaminated water is safe, then there is no need to discharge it into the see if it is not safe, it should not be discharged. so where is all this happening? well, the problem lies here on the eastern side of japan facing the pacific ocean, nearby and south career. public opinion is also split for the government has

accepted the discharge, but north korea has reacted without res. describe yet as an unforgiving, full crime against humanity. as we said, china replaces the plan while the pacific islands, while the divided 2 according to the 18 nation specific items for him. so it was the plan was it needed around $1300000.00 tons of radioactive water stored at the site in tanks. and that's his biggest move in 500 and then pick sized swimming pools. but it's not room for anymore. there's still large amounts of radioactive material left from the disaster. and we'll say, must be used to cool this to prevent another, usually a meltdown. and this cooling process produces yet more radioactive water, but they've run out of space. so the solution is a gradual release of the plants waste water, which is expected to take at least 30 is one of the main concerns in both try to radioactive form of hydrogen that cannot be removed or filtered out of water. so

instead japanese scientist a di lucy, it try to him is found in nuclear plants worldwide. it'll say, because naturally, for example, when hydrogen reacts with sunlight to reduce minute quantities at low amounts, it's considered homeless and so on to say it's radiation is too weak to penetrate to human skin. the quantity of tried to him in the was it being discharged. fukushima is below the i a, a safety levels. but if ingested above these limits, people are risk developing cancer. critics of the water discharge more studies are needed on how it could impact marine life. and humans so let's bring in all 3 guys from tokyo told me he co, tiny, good. see he's professor at the university of google and former advisor to the constitution to every, from oslo after the lawn. she's direct for emergency preparedness. at the norwegian radiation the nuclear safety author already also a nuclear chemist and from a call 6 ago is the vice president of the center for china and globalization of

china unless very well welcome to all of you. victor. i'd like to start with you say, japan says the water is safe. the majority of the scientists say that water is safe viewing nuclear watchdog say the water is safe. what's the problem? a thank you very much. i think the japanese government just committed an act of either respond. ready realty they full of public opinion and not only in japan but in the world because they say i a yeah. has approved for japanese discharge plan. the reality is the director general of i a e a resume please say no. i yeah. and never has approved it. i you just insisted that whatever the japanese couple is do we need to be in strict up. uh, okay. uh, in applied with the strict rules of the i a yeah, whatever i yeah is talking about this is not the grandkids,

but i see on the approval to of the japanese government district now also whatever the japanese government is doing is not a fault of my job but he had 11 or 12 years to figure out what to do. talk to electric, i made a promise to the residue. ready in that particular region that they would never dump water into the whole ship because the japanese people depended on the ocean for thousands of years. and many families actually had depended on the ownership and the fishery. 4 generations after generations. and japan never consulted with other countries, for example, and they claim it is safe spot. mankind has never experience such a large scale, deliberate dumping of waste water. the water is not as clean the water. the water was recycled through the hole and the roll. inside the nuclear reactor and okay, it does not just contribute one particular element. it contains

a move in several ballads of radioactive moments we're going to get, i'm told of the actor, the responsibility. okay, let's get the view from tech. you told me he could kind of good, she so respond to that if you would, the i a has not fully approved. it is because view the japanese government has renee doing a promise. in the early part of july, the international atomic energy agency issued a comprehensive report that was an endorsement of the plan of the japanese government to discharge water into the sea. so what you have just heard from victor go, is scientifically on the proven and actually a false accusation, not to the japanese government, but to the i a. e, a. and the water that's being the star discharged into the sea

is not contaminated water. it is true, radiated water and involving something called advanced liquid processing system. namely, outposts has just made the radiation level of so low. the only ingredient you're talking about these actually trade creek in. and if treat him is so much harmful, you can't leave a day because a simple i drop of your eyes contains medians of try to him. so it's absolutely safe. right, astrid, you'll be expert. you're going to focus. she met well 6 times i think is net 6, the s. that's right. so china and others, are they right to be worried? what's your next? but a view on that right? well, its own the trick him,

which is the way jack development stuff is less than the spots because they have to find all rest. and i haven't looked into the and the analysis that has been done from this simple to after it's been treated. and it's been on the life of many independent support stories across the world to look at if the actual results that they have pets. so in japan says that the past is actually true and it is so it is proven that so they do the correct measurements. so tracy is very low rate the activity and cannot pause very much harm because we don't have very little energy in it. and i think it's important for people to know that the little natural production of the, of treat him because of possibly creation is 4500 times higher than what is proposed to be released from the profession moneys with power plants k. yeah. and also many, many of the existing nuclear power plants as well. they have the discharge of treat

to, for instance, in china, they have one swamps which gives the discharges directly to the taiwan strait. and vast release is 2 times 52.5 times higher than watches from, from the machine. and in the south korea, for instance, they have discharges directly to the sea of the time from one of their nuclear power plants, which is about 5 times higher than what you start on. and then what about this other thing that's want to see about both? but just wanna jump, who is we to go to? let's get through. what about green piece claims that there's not enough focus on top and 14, which is a radioactive substance that apparently has the potential to damage human. then what about that us for the it is not something that needs to be focused on as well . that we all contain carver 40 all living, much ever on the bottom in the world have talked before to and so again, but i am radioactive, you already do active, just like me because of the carpeting for 2. so carbon 14 also is the elements

which has the better, very low energy just like tricky. and it's not a danger to people. what we should worry about are those fate unified stuff, have a very, very high energy, which could cost benefits. and so for hong, if it is an exposure to a very high level, but this is not the concern for treat you so victor respond to extrude, if you would, that is not a problem with any with it. and in fact, china was discharging at $2.00 times the limit that they will. they are a few kasheila. i'll be to emphasize that they are completely confusing applewood all rich. the clean water is not to weaving the coal parts of the nuclear reactor in the waste. what do we all talk to you about? the discharge of that is the discharge was recycled? us with the coal vault of the reactor and therefore it's completely different. the

japanese government is confusing. investigatory shouldn't try to mislead the public . you'll be there in the world. that's number one. yes, i agree with the japanese patent of this the that the id i do the publish a comprehensive report, but she need to read the reset. the report, the director general of the i, the said for the recall of the comprehensive report is not approval or consent to the japanese governments discharge all the waste water. it is actually emphasizing that whatever the japanese government need to do needs are being stretched to comprise with the i e. a rules. this is completely different. now, if anyone believes that the waste water is safe, if you should drink it, use it in the box top, you should call his own powers. for example, i say this is the way. so what can i say to what you just heard from australia? you know, who's an expert on this has been so if you see me several times in the front of the

w. h o. say that the final level of tricky and will be, is much safer than the level required by regulates is. or if the team got sold to you about that may be one story one, but the waste water contains several thousands of other read your i q and a bunch, many of which, which will cause tremendous amount of time to human pills. and the end result, you may not be reviewed inc, many years or decades and sometimes, but that means to human genes, for example, offered unity for the younger generation may be carried out on generation to generation. back on the top of these couple of actors, an act on the responsibility the operating was by yeah, with the well being of mankind as a whole. because the water discharges the pacific will be circulating around and eventually all the oceans in the world will be contaminated or anything come out

without it. that's the victor i should say, right about it. but it is here and it goes completely case. what astrid is is a new guarantee, but it's just said, but that's you'll hear. that's fine. a told me he code, the thing is, and this is important, the consumer confidence. is it rock boston at right now? or in fact, in 2022 last year rockfish quotes in these wind figures she was, this was found to have 5 times japan safety limits of season 137, which is a different thing. but nonetheless, and then shipments of refreshment suspended in february 2022. and indeed fresh living near the drainage ordinance. if you could. she had a $118.00 times intimate somebody so my point is the real time, every hour, every day, the devil of contamination, whether or not the water is humble, is being tested, measured scientifically and it's been disclosed. whatever concerns you may have

that would be solved. and in due course, as time goes by and that's what the situation is like. and the japanese, a discharge of the water does not have pull elements, as was mentioned by victo ago, who is not an nuclear physicist, nuclear ex pet. but he may be reading something or something. some of the policy lines given to him by the chinese communist party, the chinese communist party, the chinese government, a weapon sizing and racing, including this topic, a bottom line. would you be happy for yourself or for your children say to the fish fresh from these waters? there has been a massive campaign. it really comes down to like, palmetto con, the tools there has to be in and out. allies may see the

speed, the want to verify the tools. my big tell lies all these the letter to you and then we'll come to you. my name is viva cruz. i be able to speak the tools. told me i speak, i am a speaking that cruise. i would ride that during the quarter. if not great, that you get the, the wall to your house, go so the big to i can come to the 2nd. we can't understand what time he could say . so you just need to keep quiet just for a 2nd, please. a ride. there was a, a cabinet minister who actually drunk the water as early as november, 2011 a month after the new pay a receipt where the receipt is here. lies a lot in japan. yeah, he's into the street. uh,

so let me put that cuz make sure i gotta come to you to so i can browse through. let me just put that question to you because it seems pretty fundamental to the whole thing. would you refresh? would you drink more? so would you drink this water coming out of that pipe? the water is not very contaminated because it has been to a fight to a very large sense. so even though it's had lots of different trade, you have to substances in it. uh there is almost nothing left of other substances, some of the tricks in which they cannot purify further. so he'd be happy to drink. it says to drink water, i've been drinking, i've been to proficient him. i've eaten fish taken in such a shame. all right, and i'm not worried and the season, but they find in the patient very close to the port. it's not because of the discharge boss or because of the accident itself. when it happened. an older release suspect went right into the water and also out in the atmosphere and later came down on besides events. so it's natural left, there is still a level so break active seems given just outside the port and that will be for some

time. and that's why they don't have any experience going on just outside the question, but you'll have to know a little bit further away like 500 meters the way the way from such a patient and this is normal, right? they get evicted by a panelist, happy to drink it, and happy to meet the fish a hi. vantage was due respect to the distinguish the no agent, a lady allow me to say this. if you really believe the water is safe, so i want 10, the wrench to have the water that weighs the water trust all day to low way and dump it in the legion spheroid. do thing, and what would you, people would be happy? do you really want to try this? do you really want to play with the fates all the old people, your kids grandkids? know this is an act of irresponsibility. and if the japanese guests talked about was the pc called with his father will try not why their house so many deputies protest. i see the streets of the company as pop. you members of china. come all

the new clear. how do you, i would like to have a, put a to go and do it. we need to face science and the side as far as don't serve a close the book, all the nature and extent of contamination and danger to mankind. okay. as for the remainder of mankind, us, we're not going to come to you now briefly if you will, because i want to move it on to tell me he cut off to the yes. i will be. in france, we have a nuclear reprocessing font, which discharges a $4.00 to $600.00 times more tricks to every yeah. compared to what is the problem with these, from a sufficient they have done so for uh, for decades already. and we know that the, the cover in the ocean covers brings it off along the norwegians post and further into the arctic ocean. and so far we have not seen any harmful effects on the environment. and also i'm human. how, because of those releases on the i'm just trying to fire of the event so i'll come

back to the 2nd. let me just go to told me he could i evictions go to point. told me he got his me because this issue of messaging is a real problem. they're all japanese protest is on the street. i think any 53 percent of people, according to a poll support the plan in japan and not happy in the south career, either protest this try to still in the japanese embassy. and so there's, there's a lot of opposition to it is not just, you know, accepted within japan. it's not that in any case is it. so there's a real problem with the messaging from the japanese government, even if the water is safe. i admit that the japanese government and the nuclear react oper, right? tapco have done a much, much better job in messaging. and when it comes to telling the situation to the world, i admit it. but if there is any single country that is organizationally very much opposed to this, that's china. south korea is divided. china is the only country that is

orchestrating public anger. so much that today, medians of phone calls from the uh, country code, 86 uh, coming to japan, and shop owners and restaurants can't do business because of the influx of the calls coming from china. so it's bob said, i would say to the chinese people that they should calm down and look at the scientific facts and uh, and uh, whatever, mr guy says, uh that he is wrong is going to be proven as time goes by. i, as i would say, because each and every day you will see the results of objective measurement conducted by the japanese government. but also i a e, a and i,

i believe i a e a has got a team that includes chinese expert as well. and more to the point, medians of chinese, uh, visiting japan at the moment. i don't think none of those chinese tourists will come back to their homeland without eating any seafood victor. over to you defenses as well. you can respond to the fights as well that the sea food band that china has implemented will, will bounce back against china as well, for the best seafood impulses and everybody involved in that business. right. i personally strongly supposed the chinese government complete the ban of the sea food from the look from japan, and i think of a japanese fish already left through. we'll go into deep trouble. and the japanese kind of this talks about chinese tours. the chinese stores low visiting japan, but i don't think they want to eat fishery from the japanese of shaw all going

forward from the oceans from time. and they find that these dodge of the japanese wastewater. this is the mega trend. so the japanese decision, roy and, and we'll, roy refrigerate, email street of japan. now from the allow me to mention one point for the distinguish the problem of this from the way she is confusing to things clearly walks out for a nuclear rack. stuff is completely different from the wastewater way of talking about from fukushima. they ok, different, yeah, apple versus outage. they all love the same coding water at all last fall. let's focus on what exactly is the waste water from because she might be lost. and that's all to up, i'm not just contain one nuclear re you asked you live, but it contains several problems o d u active. okay, but they sound good. please wait. just gonna run that, which i'm going to pull through the one bill. right. let me put those you straight

. you heard very clearly what victor is putting to you if you could respond to that briefly if you would as well. um, what trick zoom is tricks you when the read comes from such a shame or whether it comes from matthew for reprocessing. find where all the water has gone through the use of nuclear power rods. so treat them as torch them any way out of the concentration of all the region is 5 seen the water coming from. so because she is extremely, extremely small. so, but it is of course it is difficult for the lay person, so i'm just found differences between different criteria, active subsystems, and many of the people, especially in japan, pos, the conversation that the changes extremely, extremely dangerous. but radiation can be not dangerous and very at the insurance. so it's always difficult to come across with the good message concerning these issues for the late people to understand that i think that you should look at their

release as that are already going on from china. which are greater than what will come from, from the shima. and he's the same brought the same uh, trips to those i've seen in the oceans, which are already the victor. i'm just going to go to tell me he could for us. if we have time, i will come back to you then, but we are running right up to the end of the program and tell me the code. as i said before, we can appreciate people's misgivings about disposing of radiation into the sea and whatever the site says. so why not keep the water in time until the radiation dissipate? so most storage space is fine. but why was this decision made to, to let it go into the ation? we knew it would be controversial. the tapco has a limit in space and you see hundreds of water tanks being built and they can't build further. and that's the reason and outs, the period 5 period fire pass purified of water and that water is being stored

in those tags probably saw. and typically they could this charge those low to directly to the ocean, but there has been, uh there. uh uh, we have had to spend some time to have a consensus because it is also about scientific reason, but also about psychological perception. and it is true that most of the people in japan have come to terms with this scientific reasoning. and it's, it's taking time and in the meantime, tapco has had to store the water in those tags, vic, to finally to you all you flying in the face of scientific reason? no, no, that's all i was, i'm a lawyer. i would urge to setup on things national tribunal to accept mitigation

cases against this wrongful decision by the japanese government for anyone who eventually will be proven to stop an injury. and so any business which may have lost the revenue of businesses because of this wrongful decision by the japanese government. and because of the huge scale of this wrong decision, all mankind, i think eventually you will not see an add to the litigations against the japanese government because of this deliberate decision to discharge waste water into the ocean. wait until tomorrow. all right, we have run out of time. now do appreciate all your perspectives on this. thank you to i guess to him he could set a good she asked for the land and fit to go and thank you. take 40, you can see the program again. any time just by visiting a website out, is there a dot com and for further discussion, just go to a facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha,

inside story. you can also join the conversation on x for me, then just with a i'll handle is that a j inside story for me mccloud, cuz the whole team is to bye. for now the the east side of the coast is the world's leading co producer. but it's weak infrastructure and makes traveling a challenge. we follow to drive a zoo, as he grapples with the past, the, his many, bob and the,

one of the few women to try to remote villages. risk in it all. i, because on out is there a to 0 is here to report on the people often ignored but who must be hurt? how many other channels can you say will take this time and put extensive followed into reporting from under reported areas. of course we cover major global events, but our passion lies in making sure that you're hearing the stories from people in places like how is fine with the region. and so many others. we go to them, we make the effort. we care straight to we are the ones traveling the extra mile, the media don't go. we go there and we give them a chance to tell their story. with loud west struggle gives us to true passion,

red face where humanity defies expectations with freedom as well. i'm told stories from across asia and the pacific $11.00 each on outages era, the on top of the cry and how these are the top stories on al jazeera. so bob wise, electro commission has declared president emerson and then got to go to the went to all of this week's election. the commission says he got more than 52 percent of the vote. they had been celebrations in the capital, but the leading opposition party calls the results falls and has accused the government vote freaking her in the task that has moved from the capital. her. all right. oh, as of now going to be on nelson to me is that add his.