their homes and forced into schools that stripped them of their identity and too often their lives. as the search for unmarked graves continues and higher, we regulations emerge. people in power examines the long term consequences of the government funded system. residential schools, canada shame on a jersey to 10 an initiative by algeria in the crisis in neighboring news. here, they are here and they're proposing a 6 month transition period from military to civilian rule. while other countries are threatening to leaders with military intervention. so how much leverage does algeria have to push its initiative for? this is inside store the hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much enjoying the political crisis in

this area is turning into a growing problem for neighboring countries. among them. algeria, the cool last month and this year has unleashed fears of fighting spilling over its borders and reinforcing armed groups linked to outside the across the troubled head region. algeria is proposing a transitional government in share to avoid military intervention by some of these years neighbors. but leaders of a to say their support is growing stronger and louder at home. so when they hear welcome algeria is plan and can sanctions force all parties to the negotiating table will explore these issues and more with our guests in a moment. but 1st, this report by katya lopez, where they are it's been 5 weeks since these years. president mohammed was zoom, was the post vice presidential guard international calls to reinstate him. have grown as well as threats of a military intervention to make that happen as oh, jerry wants to avoid military action and neighboring new share and is proposing a plan for a transitional government. have in my sub who i see that must be participation and

consent from all policies in yet. no one should be sidelined. these arrangements should not exceed 6 months. this should happen under the supervision of a civil authority led by mutually agreed figure. it must include the approval of each is why the political spectrum as a way to restore constitutional order in the country general of the rock montane who loved the crew once a 3 year period before restoring civilian rule. the threats of a military intervention from the echo was regional block of west african states has apparently some little to deter him despite of blockade and sanctions against each year. neither side has budged and neither wants to look weak. it is nothing anybody's interest. such a lead, nothing the interest of any african country in this block. so they don't have

a choice. now the, the, the home to have said that, given it's 3 years old, echo was come now do is to negotiate a short timeline despite support rallies at home, concerns are growing abroad. neighbors like old jerry a fear finding an easier could spill over the border, threatening more instability and a few minutes area crisis to to some civically functional. let me give you some, some sanctions put in place by echo was don't include an exemption for humanitarian aid. so there is no exemption right now. there is no way to bring him mandatory and aid into the country when professor hiding in each chair could further the stabilize the region and bolster on groups linked to al qaeda and i so operating in this a hell region. as the political instability in easier goes on neighboring countries, including al syria, hope, diplomacy, or outweigh plans for military intervention. catchy a little bit of a,

in for insights story. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guests in london. is alexis awkward yet? i'm managing editor at the news website center for africa and abu jet capital of nigeria is could be a managing director at beacon consulting. that's a security risk management and intelligence provider in nigeria and the south region. and in some of the, in france, we have a jackson on senior research fellow at the global policy institute, the think tank a warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story can be, are, let me start with you today. from your vantage point, does this initiative by algeria to, in the crisis in this year actually have a chance of succeeding. i mean, do you think that the cool leaders in this year would welcome algeria as plan a thank you. yeah. yeah. so from the side of the cause, and it appears to me that this is the end of what you need you for your thoughts,

london. things that you liked and the big included top echo attempted to find the solution of the grant to restore democratic on the job or the job of more or less field. and i talk about the by the point where he's looking week and the last payment that came out of the gentleman, the vehicle was commission, didn't indicate that it was what the contemplations from some form of a transition proved on. so if you're coming up with this shut uh, a p d on the done, the one that was put forward by the one try a new job, then it is more likely that it was a listen to the federal. and the timing of that would be a plea, for instance, before the jump that the jump on the phone. it was the dimension on the president of the insistence, for instance, on a ministry innovation. and they found that they would die itself has consistently

not proven to be trustworthy by team of negotiations like this. so all of these would determine how important that would be a response to develop jerry and you know, solution that has been put forward alexis that could be, or there was talking about echo as the regional block of west african states. and i want to ask you a similar question from your perspective, how seriously will the algae erie and initiative be taken by echo watson and how much weight does algeria carry and all of this? i think this will be taken strongly, seriously by our class. i think it's exactly why that this is offering a soft line thing because ultimately a cost is not want to follow through on this suggestion of really transfer function and including the cost of the scene, wink. so it's in a really good position. and this offers an opportunity to take now what we're taking seriously, because algeria share as opposed to with these. yeah,

so this is l. j re offering a solution. and algeria has a portable reason to actually cat and follows through. so that really helps because then they can be a decent broker between the position of a class and then they don't necessarily seem to be aligned to funds. but they do because i'll do, we have said repeatedly that they would not support any for ministry intervention. and it's in their best interest because they do not want this to escalate. if i don't, don't want any form necessary conflict to any kind of unnecessary action and conflict on their doorstep. so shock kabir and alexis have been talking the last few minutes about how echo was so will react to this proposal by algeria. but let me ask you, how likely is it that france would sign onto this initiative? to i think for all sorts of voltage already because for 2 reasons. first, the president do another julia and my call gets underway in spite of the,

the conflicts to the, of, of the many issues. but they get on the way i do of often speak. and the already a few years ago in the last meeting went to the boon and mccomb met the dog about doing role that julia should great is w isaac just situation induced head and fraud . things up, in that case a julia would be owed is broke because of julia as west side as a big boda with the with news. yeah. and i was, you know, yeah, certainly does a lot to uh, a hole on each doorstep is already are already as julia is very concerned about the trouble already. many. e, i mean, uh, yeah they, they are very worried about to get these group. don't forget that the jo. yes. if the ninety's from the ready go to studies with the c, so they have very sensitive to that issue. and they think that the war in that

region would benefit only did you had these group or good take advantage of the fact that the huge i get all me for example, really busy repeating the invaders and so on. so and we've, they've already noticed that the, the country like, by the, uh, the geologist progress is very strong. seems deprive chevrolet at another point or so. is that a g a as very good relationship with russia, a 90 percent or do we need to recruit monday that julia is from russian origin? so the only thing that a julia would be the idea is a deed, a country to try to bring a solution, a negotiated solution to this in brookview. it is, you can be, or if we are considering france as role in all of this going forward, we have to mention that the coo leaders in the chair of accused echo us of being in

frances pocket. so i want to ask you how much of that has the potential to complicate all of these efforts to come up with a diplomatic solution? so really, you know, we've, we've listened to reactions from civil society organizations that are trying to close to the one time in new job development. but most of then click the site and the development suggested the idea is funding on the fence. i don't like, has been mentioned to you uh, maintained in your trust that it's instead of claims that it does respect democratic democratic government and to the extended support the president by the way that it goes to given this leeway as it were, the one to, to allow them to transition beautiful fits 6 months. so it's a good idea. organizations are condemning to the terms. uh, they would prefer to be 3 sure. the way out of the area. you know,

some of them don't. uh, especially with regard to the when the chrome i gain from and i think it has been decided to live in the model to the new jersey or by united i think where regarding the nation of, from the post colonial policies. and so that's the very tricky line that you will have to please. now, how long does the visa be? because desire to read, to democrats, be and to continue it is do you know when that is going to west of west africa would be a very difficult and not what like has been mentioned, right. i'll give you a house or the credential to bleed up room, and if it's a 100 by godaddy original, follow at the you as a friend of an example, we can go sadly, we'll have a very big boxes look forward to the position of the way. uh alexis is yours

qu, leaders that have called for a transitional period. the last, i believe they said uh at most 3 years. uh, and i want to ask you about this. um, because out, jerry is plan mentioned a 6 month transitional period. so when it comes to that specific point of contention, um would the cool leaders in new share potentially agree to a shorter timeline when it comes to transition? and i think it's entirely possible that they would agree true. i think the deadline pending offer over 3 year period of transition is under construction position. say i'm looking at wherever consult. busy and then may be reduced from that, but that wants to be as efficient as possible. i mean, i think we should always change sides of how this all started. this was, i don't put you missed the crew where by it appears that kind of the presidential god was going to be pushed out for them from that it is snowballed and maybe in this position. but i mean,

ultimately they want to find some kind of middle ground. so i don't think they'll necessarily be argued logictree trip or, and believed for the have to push for 13 years. and then at least they can find some form of compromise solution. also it's west bar in the minds of the functions that are being imposed. one is you are going to keep on biting is not going to get easier. so they will want to resolve this because on several industries. and it's just one of the poor countries in the well, now the price of goods, particularly food stuff, is coming up constantly food inflation is going to go through the roof. it is a ready and then electricity has been shut down as well. electricity coming from nigeria, so that's what we're going to increase the pressure on the jump to, because over time support for them go away. and so they'll want to wrap this up and that's why i don't think they're going to stick to that has to be 3 years when that are compromise and move closer to the 6 months spring semester biology area. as jack, i want to step back from want to look at another complicating factor when it comes

to francis role in all of this. because the cool leaders in the chair gave frances in bassett, or tennessee, or 48 hours to leave the country. but president emanuel micron announced that the ambassador will remain in this year. so from your vantage point there in france, i mean, how much does that have the potential to make this situation potentially worse, going forward in the process or wait and see a judge in that? it doesn't matter. they don't want to giving to the agenda the giving you guys the on the fact that maybe the population wouldn't begin to get worried about the impact of the section as their biggest. because said, because there is a, you many tell you and crises is developing that the most of the shows up on the indigent notate rewan degrees underway for award day or so we pro positive a point. the fact that the school was

a big stretch because this situation in these yeah. and the present the zoo was getting back to you. they couldn't meet and secure tubs, and he was democratically elected. so the think that they figured maybe the people in the yeah with us, what is the junk bringing to the plate? what is it giving me? what do you think overall could be that we don't see anything that the judge could provide that makes it so fee on the properties of the french few days, which depths which has been uh, actually dead promoted by russia in the region. so what all the d b as in that sense, the id that they have chosen, i was brought up for the maybe the agenda would want to grow a shorter transition. that's why i think they should agree on the 6 months period

because they are now or even just the pointing a new president, the president. let me say who is a reasonable person away, no need. and it couldn't be kind of west of circle was, was biased confusions. so that responding to the demands, the reasonable or proposal made by a g a would present the order wise as a thing that we face to really we don't know the, you know, the nation has to be drugs. we don't know the feelings of the population. exactly. we don't know what something we know what something number, but i looked at the big meeting in the stadium that just it was of food. so we don't know whether you're riding on a wave of computers vote. melissa was something in the country at from west and i called, i called see, uh, alexis, i saw you reacting quite a bit to what jack was saying there. and it looked like you wanted to jump in. so i'm going to go ahead and give you that opportunity as well. i mean, always to say,

ultimately yes, it's clear that functions are going to in creasing bite. and i think at the moment the gentry's done expect via original way they were gonna waive a popular anti french sentiment. i'm going forward, the speaking and west and sentiment above the window, but the change is closing for them with time. the sanctions are going to buy more more and there is a thing to about the future miserable turned on them because life is getting hot. it's also clear that the bassoon was doing well when it comes to fighting. the is the most insurgents operating in the country, those and such and such a loyal to both. i'll call you to on the one hand to and also that was around the world to i'm, as i make state. so we're time the longer the term to stays in power and the more you see the functions biting group of quotes are living really going down. and then they have problems with the insurgents,

or then it gets halter and all that for the printer. now we're seeing that with money, for example, um they found it increasing difficult to deal with every insurgencies. so it's likely that fits into will take a leaf out of the book that's happened with molly. i'm just think about how they can find a solution, find some kind of part to accept. so kind of compromise solution can be or both the shock and alexis mentioned the last few minutes, the anti french sentiment in this year. i want to ask you, um, where was anti french sentiment in the chair before the coo compared to where it is now? so i mean, it was possible before that and um, you know, i operate a new job and you could feel that we and i just to correct the point mich model specific. it to me, i mean, it's all over the country and it's the existence of the average med disney

junior, the level over the, the, the private asian. but he or she goes to uninstall the role of the social media that has a portrayed live in front of the big where compared to live in new jar. model the lead of the, the contribution of governance in the jar. and perhaps even in, for a new country, we have a bucket and all of the public and the missing information to give information pointed to what the rules upfront of, especially in the extraction of monroe and the so called sharon formula around. now what the deed is, the realized be an only t o resentment on the right and on the i think if we just that's because the full garage has been what has really booked in the uh, the uni phone ring around most the material is the fact that they do you and so

the, the, in the cool, as i know question if the good, the of every been to the point of a problem i supposed to go to and you know, unless they've been doing the job and i think going forward there is what do i try to go ahead and make sure the running support around? yeah, i mean there are pockets of resistance here in bed. what size are you on here in just a 2nd here? let me also follow up with you because you're, you're talking about the junk in these, you're utilizing anti french sentiment to their advantage leaders of a to they're also say that their support is growing stronger at home. how much support do you figure they actually have in this year? where does the public opinion stand as far as you can tell the the indicator the dublin tell us where we yeah. um, immediately updated cool in the public space. these, these danielman particular where the web being held your what state of the, the, on the 4th a cup of tea. now the 11, mike, you know, the well, the cool,

which was in or with an august 26th. that, that's dealing with lots tools and it may be a reflection of the effect of the function. but the job, it may be a reflection of the reality of the average median. there are 2 possible that'd be much the effect of the assumptions economics, dr. and then do you know they need to be that way? we don't want to. thank you regina with sense over all that stuff in and bought something new job by getting started in groups. i'm starting on the news media, the train of thought from the so what's the materials around the beginning to ask the question. the question. um no, uh at the moment. um there are, there are several um no regents that have come. so of course, right around is under frank sentiment as opposed to booked agenda, but i know the one that i jumped up brother bought for with the the fact on the voucher and did not good forward any alternative with vision. if the specially in

terms of how do you intend to manage better the resources that need the new job, new job. so plenty of the different ones that they've generated at the beginning of the equation, beginning to waste how father, who and what pressure during that time or the time to tell jack, let me ask you about one more specific part of the initiative by algeria. algeria says that they would also seek a united nations conference to restore constitutional order, proposed guarantees for all sides and the crisis and to host a conference on development in the south region. is that something you can actually see happening going forward? the to be nice to be good up and i don't know whether it can be can be done with everyone because in this region this so many, you know, this region as we go the playground for kind of a for the struggle between regional bars and there is so we know that, you know, or i forgot know, it's just this i had is seen as a treasure, treasure,

chest and then every bottom of the piece of the action, the at border, well pause prism the so could you have a concerns where everybody comes to the table or if you need january and it with the genuine. and these are 2 as soon as you do a show and i'm not sure especially does or doesn't know, the dimensions of the conflict is the on the west diamond sion which is being played out there. you know, it is, it would shut off the sort of other, what do we see? we saw the reaction of him in the african countries to russian invasion of ukraine . you can see that there's a growing challenge in the rest of the well no, just the days in south america to the western order as it was, that piece of it will do. so. the fact that today that i jumped to know to, to, to road way, meaning approach. i'm not too sure and to go in and time is because it seems that

the oil for many but seems to be to want to disturb you guys decide rather than the stuff you guys alexis. i want to ask you more specifically about how concerned al jerry is about the potential of spillover for a violence from these year. if a military confrontation takes place going forward, i mean, how much could fighting in new jersey stabilize the region and how much might it boasts are armed groups linked to al qaeda and i saw that operate and this i had to reach to wait to massively stabilize the reason i think that's while to res, taking this so seriously. i mean, the longer this goes on and if there was any form of conflict in for military intervention, the only beneficiaries would be the insurgents. because ripping, we've seen this in molly and in between. if i so, and we're seeing image that is already stretched and 19 is on restricted as well. and that to resolve me is stretched with internal issues around. so combined

a tree could run some in the northwest of that long standing isn't, was doing so it didn't seem to ne and various other conflicts, such as the sessions in the se. so if all of those, all these were involved in some kind of military intervention in some form of conflict that will bring destructive already stretched on the circuit, sees what i'm going to get was to now to be a really nice if this an algebra already has the bitter experience of seeing the spread over form for that cannot be in libya and they present, right? so that so they know that the good ultimately will come up. this will only be stabilize the region. it won't make the range of any more stable. that's why they're taking it so seriously and could be, or if we're talking about the stabilization and spill over a violence, we must also mention the humanitarian aspect to all of this. and i want to ask you from your vantage point,

what kind of humanitarian crisis might we see if fighting does break out in this year? so does that mean to you and other folks in your area around that? um, i think the last statement by units that indicate that at about 2000000 children, it would be at risk of stuff asian or any uh and then just because of the effect of the assumption on the hour by april was now, is this degenerated into a wall in a dream division, you can imagine the inbox it would have on the trinity $5000000.00 population in the jar blog on december, i'll read, i read for g van or the from 90 round or the neighboring country. but i just, i mean, well really wanting to remark, which is a little bit strange that in spite of the cycle the need are, you still have 3 for the, from what countries coming into new jar at the moment. so clearly the humanity around the consequence of the ministry intervention is going to be huge in the region that they've already suffering from different conflicts. all right,

well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guest, alexis awkward yet. i'm could be or other move and chuck a lot and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just hear a. com and for further discussion and go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ag inside story. you can also during the conversation on x, i handle is at a j inside story for me and how much i'm doing the whole team here. bye for now, the the

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