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at the between the 18 hundreds and as recently as the 1990s in canada, over a 150000 children were taken from their homes and forced into schools that stripped them of their identity and to offer their lives. as the search for unmarked graves continues and higher, we revelations emerge. people in power examines the long term consequences of the government funded system. residential schools, canada shame on a jersey, a military coup in galvan celebrations on the street, but a very different reaction. globally, the takeovers being condemned by the un, what china, russia, the us and e u. all voice concerns. so why has there been yet another qu, in africa? and what's the response of african states? this is inside storage, the
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hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much enjoying the president of galvan alley bongo, didn't have long to celebrate his election victory this week. within minutes of the declaration that he'd want a 3rd term army officers announced they were taking over the election was controversial without international observers, or journalists with the countries border sealed bundle has been president since 2009 succeeding his father, who was in power since 1967, general brace only when grandma takes over his transitional leader, the army saying at once to bring stability a busy day. then i promise you, the president of the transition system of the need to maintain comp and serenity in our beautiful country. he pledges to preserve the economic tools that guarantees social prosperity. at the dawn of a new era, we will go on to the peace, stability and dignity of our beloved government. president,
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ali bongo is under house arrest in an online message. he pleaded for support. i don't know what's, what's going on. so i'm calling you to make the noise to make noise. make noise, lee. how i'm thinking you will explore more with, i guess in a moment when 1st our correspondent nicholas hawk has more from senegal is capital the car. there's proper support for this crew because people have been expecting and waiting for the downfall of the bongo family dentist who have been at the helm of this country for over 55 years. what comes as a surprise, as a man behind this group? he's 40 in grandma, who is the head of the presidential guard, meant to protect the interest of the bungalow family. he was in fact, a close a to omar bond. go with the father of all the bone go and then in 2009, when all the bungle came to power, he was sideline sent as
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a defense tashay to the corresponding goal and also to morocco. during that time, the young colonel announced quite a lot of wealth, building multi $1000000.00 homes in the united states, and in good bone. now he's been distancing himself from the bungle family, arresting his son, accusing them of treason, of, of abusing a power of corruption. and of stealing from state coffers from this oil rich nation in which most people live on less than $2.00 a day, so distancing himself, but also appeasing for an interest the french and the chinese. we have a interest vested interest in the oil business and also in the mineral business. we haven't heard from the opposition who are jumping, but also about and also who's been the political opponent valley bone. go during saturday's presidential election. also muted reaction from the regional countries from my patrol, guinea, but also from cameroon. not a surprise because they probably fear contagion of cruise
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b as move has been in power since 1982. and president obama has been in power since 1979. but this cool is a break from the past, and i hope that this can rebuild trust in the democratic institutions in gabon. nicholas hawk for inside story, as africa is no stranger to military coups. out of at least 242 successful take overs world wide since 195106 of them have been on the continent. the latest and gone is the 8th coup in africa in just 3 years. most of the others have been further north in the south region. government is on the west coast of central africa. half the population of nearly 2 and a half 1000000 are under 20. it's rich and natural resources, particularly oil and cocoa. and as a member of the oil producers, organization opec, despite its abundant natural wealth more than a 3rd of its population live in poverty. around 90 percent of gabon is covered in forest and most of its population around 4 and 5 people live in cities.
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all right, let's go and bring in our guests in lieber of o. capital of galvan is antoine lawson. he's a veteran journalist who's reported on africa and gone for more than 3 decades in a rush and times. and he is still a guard. she's an analyst on african government affairs, and in nigeria as capital a buddha is less on. we're drogo research fellow at the center for democracy and development. there is work focuses on governance in west africa, a warm welcome to you all and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story, antoine, let me start with you today. there was jubilation across, gone after news of the cool. you are there in neighborville, where do things stand now? a yes. this suggests i use the baby box on the as you go monday. it's cheap. yeah. how does a cool breeze because they're already e. m a is now isn't really that was a ton of the shunt says yes. okay,
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able to clean. ready your 2nd to be very quiet today on the ever seeing the using this as pop into the morning of those ad. busy ready on to you to do what they after you read it. so what is known today is access the from the mean? is there the read the name on the don't see my slide to speak to the robust media to have a piece or 2. they asked them that it was what i need to interrupt. ready look for that process and they ask them how long as they're going to stay in before. zip who receives a miss the purpose? uh when's the election the day before? so the suggestion of these people choose or getting out who needs the car? because you notice both of the military says that the court is going to say it
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was a physician of $42.00 quizzes that know the need. somebody does not know our police department is that the ma ma input, the suggestion that was less on after the coo, we heard expressions of concern and condemnation from the wind from france, the west african leaders, russia, china, and the you. what does it, what does it mean that there is such rare international consensus on this issue within today's very polarized world? yeah, absolutely. um, i feel like the international community is caught in this cool way by in principle they have to condemn to cool. but at the same time, it's kind of like, okay, we understand what is going on here. is us all most positive who is coming to relieve people from a situation whereby the bone goal was to win the election in
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a very, very controversial manner. and we don't know what to come out of the election either in terms of a force election violence, better go step into actually to set things back to, to, to, to 0. basically still a general mcglenn who was named as the transitional leader. he was head of the presidential guard that had pledged to protect president bondo. he's also related as i understand it, to the deposed leader. the fact that such a close a to president bundle has now been appointed to lead the transition. what message does that in part, to those inside and outside the country? thank you very much and i think there are a number of things we need to close the, the book that appointment. one is the possibility, the more things change, the more they will remain the same. and this is truly dependent on what on what am i himself is loyal to depose president or it is truly equipment to, to change. sometimes you can find family members who are intimately supplementary
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tile or white people that there are many investors, i can piece, but you between alignment, and then me, this will be a cool, you know, in the business. so to say and, and the other thing that it says is that there's a possibility that the negotiations that are happening may impact what or the does that change in different ways. for example, for the local is one of the things that they might do now is to money to expect visuals celebrating and to find a way to communicate that interest and communicate with the months that the had for this change. if this is what they does that is special need what it is to buy this electricians we have seen amongst them. but for, for a nation each, each males are present in the community for, for some of that of the furniture that being interfered anymore. at least influencing politics in good form to continue working with this jennifer month to advance that did that, that they have been advancing in that region. unfortunately, some of that agenda is not good for, for the country. and so they need to check to ensure that the constitution piece,
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the more to find its way into the other side of this conversation. once they're able to, to step of your time to constitutional order, which we kind of hope that they're going to do very soon. antwan's picking up on some of what stella just said. the fact that general the graham i is part of the elite in double and are there those and gone? who are worried that this will mean that is just more of the same going forward? yes, i think you gave me still getting my is a. ready was in of the i the below the, from the printer. net and uh is, uh, is it mobile? uh, he's continued because these are the same time me to in fact the buttons the haven't gone to country since most and it's 60 years already. but i think e for a brief glendale or the didn't get my stay in power again. i didn't means that this is the era of the continue to use to do to the country. it is all lines the i remember was most queued include that mean that the kid up soon so cool that i
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think is a is it is, is that some some arrangement and. ready the team to play to. ready to do to a bunch of, of co in the, in the, in capital. okay, what is really important is what is going up to the school. we don't seems that. ready media to if he said, able to do to leave the country as maybe it was a you to the front of the team used to, to do that because there is no means the able to see was a, there is no meaning missed there at the. ready and that's able to think. ready as a concert in, in gamble i'm the. ready coordinator said that the printer's on tuesday now is that it is the new that's on the. ready you have seen your significant example group is on a i was about to send a video on the internet. i think that that, that made some arrangement. still, i saw you reacting to some of what antoine was saying there. and it looked like you wanted to jump in, so please go ahead to. so there is a lot of you have to,
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to what he was saying is because we definitely know that for example, different than good assistance to send out that information if he was and or how's the rest of the police by, by the military. but more importantly is the fact that she was calling on individuals outside of the country to, to come out to the support team, who's calling on individuals within the country to make noise. when you start calling on people outside your country to, to me crazy physically means you do not trust in times that you have that kind of legitimacy on the ground. and the question is, what contentious do these people have against the team? we already know about the, the, the number of years he has been in power. the need for, for, for change regarding the country, the interest of the country in trading that then that, that, that own interest that taken care of. but speaking of, of, of the appointment people inside the country, they have very many uh for internal needs that have spoken of this month to the
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many for invoices that have come in. and when they seem to afford it, i mean book international and african noon equal, i suppose that has spoken of this month and they all have very specific interest. we have about governments around this country that desperately in need of ensuring that these thing that is happening in, in double previously happened in the head doesn't options pop up in a, in the countries we do. i those us injecting some in commission just before the more because about the changes that have to be making uncomfortable to ensure that then the defense was a different kind of leadership kind of thing. and then a platform kind of came these also the sense that the decent change of government thing is going to become opinion the content and you have a lot of dictates as well. but then there's another group of people who are coming into this conversation like the government or, or friends who then a protecting the interest in something that most of this countries are fighting against the president. i'm sorry to interrupt you, but i do want to pick up on that point you're making about france and francis relationship with gamble on but,
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but i also want to go to less on and pick up on. another thing you mentioned um, less on the seller was talking also about the coup that happened just about 5 weeks ago in the chair. and i want to ask you how different it is, what transpired in this year versus what happened in the gap on to see the government. cool. there's a lot of, obviously there's a lot that we don't know yet about the government quote. but what we can also see in terms of a comparison with the quote in, in new jersey, is that this is more likely a very say them one year old who did, who did the way by, you know, that has not been any internal position. and contrary to the court in the chair, we have not seen people come out in protest, folding for and flags russian flags and like what you've seen in this, i have. so basically the, the reaction of the government, these people was uh, in terms of, okay, now we're getting rid of this guy in the city that has been in powerful so long.
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but there's no, this course, at least for the moment. i haven't seen any response from the government. these people in terms of us. ok, we're defending our interests are we? uh, we have way to do anything to defend out and try. and if you listen to the appeal that boom were issued on a video call to deed own english, not in french, i understand that the government is now part of the commonwealth, which is also something to consider here. why is govern a form of friend calling the a member of the commonwealth? what has been going on in terms of the uh, franco companies, the relationship to the point where government will seek to join the commonwealth? so i think if we go back a few years ago and maybe not a few as a few months ago when the macro visited got born to talk about the climate change and everything,
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the government is people reaction to the arrival of the president of ross was also storing finds that these a disconnection between or at least is a departure from what we have always known as front. so free friends in africa. but on let me, let me also ask you sorry to interrupt, but let me also ask you further about the reaction that we've heard thus far from african leaders and institutions. uh, you know, on wednesday and jerry and president bullet's new book. he's the current chair of the west african block echo, as he said, he was working closely with other african leaders to contain what he called a contagion of a talk proceed spreading across africa up time after time when these crews happen to there been a lot of tools, as we mentioned earlier, recently we see condemnation from asking leaders and we hear talk of proposals to try to, to settle these disputes and in these crises, but not much seems to happen. why have these institutions and leaders not been more effective?
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i think that the these days edition have fail fundamentally to address the symptoms . the, the reason the root cause is of who does the rather come late to address the symptoms when the disease is already in. and today it's up to said, but it's no longer a matter of what these next it's. we can even say it's a matter of what is next, because we see a number of african countries where the situation is not good at all. the situation, the government situation is very bad and regional organizations. i know. yep. think that they are not pre reacting and saying no, the election is not going well, even to nubile himself. it has not been uh, you know, he has been recently elected by the election house issues. fortunately, the not june people to the case to the court. and that is being decided while the
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president has sworn it in to be a president. i think that itself is a very problematic issue. the original organized african union needed to address. but since we failed to address the doors, um, what comes next? when the minutes we see on over to the power and we're shooting, forget that those are also citizens and they, they have family members of our communities and understand bent in which those kind of poor, poor leadership is taking them into a antwan's. i'm often when news of these cruise immersed there is a lot of talk about democratic backsliding in a volatile region. i want to ask you, if it's fair to mention that in the context of what happened in government, because there had been a lot of allegations. the fraud had taken place in the elections over the weekend. the bundle family has it, has ruled a gap on for 56 years. so is it actually accurate to say that the crew is evidence
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of erosion of democracy in galvan? but i don't, i don't think i don't think so too many pull the executive guy as the patient is a good team pool and pool is a professional guidelines and put the addition of lives on to me on the 10th, on the other. the quick edition is living in the company side of the building in the there is not in the region in get long, but you're more visited the top there is about to month on around one means. and that gets on indian for the onto people leaving very, very difficult for the evidence that he thinks all the time it is. and then also understand why is it is a group of people didn't follow. they use the one that says principal on that and the don't have any food to gauge, for example, because the median gamble, there is some funding that they don't have more than $2.00 a day. and photos is able to leaving, you know, due to contribution which we have on. we have
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a world and to us that some of my children next monday and as that's a, it was pushy. but as far as the one you have, you can get wants to be able to. ready that it was going to be like in need. that, for example, is that the government was one of the roost countries in africa. and now you see that is going to again the, there is some more development, the population is more than enough money. but is it more than it can get but is not distributed very ready to was the 6 on of the purpose of this report, then people have not. i'm glad for the but this is that this quote maybe can bring something better than i am not sure because the people. ready the media to onto i don't know, maybe they don't know how to run the country. i still, i had interrupted you earlier when you were starting to make a point about could launch relationship with france. galvan like new share was also
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a french, a former french colony. gabon is one of francis closest allies in the region. how much influence is france losing across the region at this point? i'm glad you asked this question, and i'm glad you interrupted me so that this conversation can go wrong because i want to pick up from there and to and has left. the bone has been led by this part of the dentist, the goal, the 12 years. and so it is not that that you've been meaning to figure out now for them to, to get you to the president. the environment is arrived for a cool because of the other consequences that leading to this, we are coming out of a fund demik. we have kind of seen the other central, the global economic recession, and this people have to figure out how to survive the relationship with francis that's the initial but doesn't think well the tax to, to, to the governmental front up to the tune of 500000000000 usd, that is not small money cuz we didn't, but people looked at from 14 of the porters nations getting the region couple and happens to be a to be a big deal to come to you. and i think that one has mentioned
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a book there that wilton month that needs to buy an oil, etc. and so that definitely paying a lot out and get that people as being hungry at some point. could you please send individual and push us citizen to the was eventually they're going to be need chuck reactions. and part of the reason why the front is losing influencing the reason is because all those countries are beginning to ask, why do we have? well, why do we have resources and we have to pay so much outside that of course, explain why that military coups but apart from having really kind of push this resistance closer to the voice of, of friends, asking them about anything when i picked picking up a little i got them this situation and, and you have seen those kinds of situations repeating themselves even to the point of wanting to just front of losing info in class. because this thing that they continue to do is, i mean just is for those countries, even if you were collecting compensation for what you've been looking a country during the time when you pull that hasn't been, shouldn't you come up to collect a composition input you reaching number 2 is that the influence that has been held
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over that for you and have not changed the region in any way. in any case, it does continue to put this paper on the optical boutique with typically living on lives on a below to the beach. and of course, that's kind of the in degrees to conduct the excess pinged or affected by human for a very long time. at some point it tests, but still, unfortunately the people who suffer are the women and the children and the set to be cause cause generally do not recognize the interest of women and children. and many of them to know tries to the top, even after cool, less on a we spoke a little bit earlier about the international condemnation that we've heard thus far from several international actors. i want to ask you, where do you see this going forward when it comes to the reaction in the, in the days, weeks and months they had from the international players. and is there an international actor that wouldn't be able to step in from your vantage point and actually try to resolve any of this?
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i think the international community involvement in government will be purely based on specific interest that each one of those countries have in, in, in double when the chinese issue a statement of the condemned to cool. but it did not address the question of the election wherever the election was fred and transparent. nobody's talking about that. and in that matter, the opposition and get in the government. these people are the lose as induce the induced story. when the french condemned the cool, they do not condemn me, the same energy which they have used to condemn the closing age and elsewhere. it when the rest of the, of the west condemned to cool, including the african union. and you know, it just a basic way of saying, look, in press support, we do not agree we go to task, but i'm quite sure that all of these international auditors will have to find ways to maintain the system. you know, there will not be
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a lot of pressure on this ministry. we're using to transition quickly to where the to getting power to civilians. and if they do that they will also work toward maintaining the same study. cool, that allowed the international partners which i believe are equally liable to the some of the guinea and the benefits of, of, uh, the government. these people, you know, as much as they have been in full for many years. and what can we, bundle, father, and bundle it's, it's so unfair to the companies, people when you think that this nation is extremely rich in natural resources and only has 4000000 people that is full godsig. less than the size of a, the population of a who's on lagos, or what i do before that. so if it doesn't make sense that we've talked a small number of people who we are on a, the basic needs. and at the same time,
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you're collaborating with nations that seem to be demo doesn't make any sense. it's just ridiculous and, and the less on the left side, i'm sorry to cut you off, but, but we are very much running out of time when we have about a minute and a half left. and i just wanna get the last word to antwan's because he is there in libra ville, on the ground. uh antwan's. please keep in mind we only have about a minute and a half left. i just want to ask you about the fact that the military is promising stability from your vantage point and from what you're hearing from others in gap on. do you think that's possible? i see, i think this is, this is possible. yes. you have to be up to me is what can be done to the country. but i think that the. ready if i press a president, my car has to change the way the needs are pretty thinking that the for african princeton speaking countries use that and put that because it is not doing he's not because of maybe 50. ready is the take the cable, it's going for a freaking put me there. t on said don't even is know. thinking over time,
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this is an input them to develop a conflict. 30 function is the french people or the program at to do and the noise . now think of changing the what happened in that in nature? yeah, in the book and if i say rethink move now in this content, i think i think about maybe in a few remarks and show you essentially this stuff and it was not getting it or you go to the me, this is a tough thing because this is a very good federal good position for us to come to me to like a politic fund. it isn't good for, for the democratic review of the epic. i'm going to use the same to see if i know people kind of leave on the tape and that's the reason the countries are reached. and people cannot says that there's, there's no student or the trunk at the best of the street. it's true that you can get more learning in europe in the, in the maybe that's why that's why i knew that you didn't get all antoine. i am
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sorry to cut you off, but we have run out of time. thanks so much to you and all of our other guests and twin lawson. so gara and less on were drago. and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just share a. com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ag inside story. you can also join the conversation on x, formerly known as twitter. handle is at a j inside story. i mean, i'm an enrollment, a whole team here. bye for now, the, the the
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