of the way africa was betrayed was always about the movies and a pass or the story that's always being towed and still being used. the advocate always needs help. and i think i carried it with a chip on my shoulder because i always felt that, you know, i'm from somewhere that deserves, you know, the better recognition for say you can watch the full interview with the wrong thing. and i knew serious generations for which is that 20 to 30 g m t on sunday, the low again, i'm elizabeth put on the window hall with the top stories on ours is there. i'm thousands of people are holding a system outside a military base images capital. they said they weren't move on to the 1500 french person. now leave the country. but fonts has rejected that demand saying it doesn't recognize the ministry net government asset address is at the protest and the capital in the army. there is this concern that the we move into the military base

. yeah. and disrupt things incredibly close diploma problem between these yet i'm fans. the security forces that you see behind me are trying to calm them down and also prevent them from going into the military. about a 121500 french troops are still waiting. that hunter need is in a good ball and have re i think the board is 3 days off, and they seized pal and detained president ali bung us soldiers to control on wednesday off to bundle is declared. the winner and the dispute had presidential election over the 100 protests as and thousands of police officers have been injured and is rather than fighting between lively groups from eritrea. robins broke out and had the air training embassy instead of even involving supporters and critics of the ever try and government please. 5, take us envelope. sand arrested. thousands of people as a bachelor, which of us to order as a courtesy has been imposed. and it argues city of kit,

a coke off to one protested was killed and several others injured. security forces dispersed arrivals demonstrations by coalition. our residents of dakota, san democratic parties, return to the political, intervene on us president joe biden has a business in florida to see the destruction caused by how can and dalia and made land for on wednesday, cause a wants for damage and flooding and put funds. this is attending an into phase mason during his final day in the mongolian capital lombard to the roman catholic leda is said to hold mass laser on sunday. and the predominantly to this country, which has a population of just 1400 catholics. well, those are the headlines on al jazeera, the stream is coming up next. thank you for watching that in america is a region of wonder i'm joy tragedy, and yes, of violet. but it doesn't matter where you are. you have to be able to relate to

the human condition. no country is a lie and it's my job to shed light on how and why the i on 70. okay. on these episodes of the stream we are going to be joined by shaker . british like to and also of a brand new book called brown baby, and then more of race family and haven't had any cash so great to have you on the stream. how are you? hey, i'm good. thank you. how are you? so how are you? well, you know, i was seeing you talk about you ma'am. well, along barry's different social media platforms and you are excited. you are anxious . what was my, can you? i'm just before 8 population. thanks. duty. i felt like what was that pointing to nails before it came out to yeah, a bunch of things that were given i'm

a fiction why to is so hard to know how things are going to be received. but also, i'm a writer who is pissed myself on the page as much as i can. you know, i really like to bleed on the page. but with fiction you can always hide by the fact that it's friction. and with a memo you call really how i didn't. so i'm dealing with some where you, where the big things i'm dealing with and where he read truthful and taught things to deal with. and once you give us the book comes out, it doesn't belong to any more blogs to read is and i and knowing that it's getting them out and people are going to talk about it. they're going to talk about you that kinda talk about your life and they're going to project things onto it that you might not necessarily see. and this is quite overwhelming to deal with. you know, i'm no, yeah, no, the mice like extra virgin purse in the world. i just sit here my little camera and

do do my thing. you do like yeah, so it's out 8. sorry. so i can move on. yeah, that's interesting. so now is unleashed and, and now you're, you're getting the feedback. so it feels the publishing day like february 2021 to reach it out right now. so we are in a global pandemic. if we all post break seats on, wait in a time, went on to threaten to racism movement he's as, as almost like reinvigorate. he's got this new life into it and your name always we pass with, but somehow it dresses all of these orders, these moments that we're in right now and that. so it's a, i see it to me. how does it feel to you about this time? make for it to come out. yeah, god. but i guess so much of what's in a hurry evergreen right. i can because owing it,

as elected to my daughter is about the way the world isn't. and so much of the novelist, a memoir is themed around how to find joy in times of difficulty when the world feels. i blinked, and i feel so sad and angry about it. and all those things that i'm talking about, whether it's racism, whether it is the patriarchy, whether is climate catastrophe or mental health, whole grief for any of these things. but it's interesting to be able to glean, you know, we have any cable pandemic where we're thinking about ways that ways in which we can have changed the way we live. and it is ultimately very how hurtful book and yeah, you know, there are lots of people with the antibodies and racism. reading this next to that bedside, which i hope that getting through those books. it'd be nice for people to hurry up and finish these books. and to enhance what the system movements and um and also

yeah. so like none, none of these things feel pressing from me because i feel quite evergreen in a way. i am not going to be the only person who will be asking you questions in chatting back and forth for me, cash. we have a, a youtube stream on right now, people can jump into the comment section and also the cash, whatever you want to know about his writing and his book. and we're going to stop the questions with a right to know show, look and you know his work and he has these questions. phoenix, have a nice a in this folder were bro laser. so this will become like go to for the many of us as a wisdom enjoy and most. ready you show this reminded me of so much for being a how much occupied school the day, the ball, some jokes, thoughts can come on and the curry and how difficult it was to cover stuff. especially if you can take it home because i only have 2 problems. so i guess it's

only hot, not a few other in this life and your friendship groups in publishing university. and so i guess my question is when you write it off, i believe that sometimes the physical being although there also. so do you expect some fall out there or how do you deal with right to your life on the page now? so hold on. why is it right air for most of what amazing why to he is i think you're fine. um, one of the things that i, it says that the set to be with my family by many copies of this book, but do not read this book. mostly because it's just very little about my grief, my mom and my mom's boss thing. i don't think i'd say i say anything in the that i wouldn't say to anyone's face or having said over the is but it is very little when it's like this. and so, yeah, there will be things in that that really shouldn't make public. but the thing about

writing in this spaces, you have to write the truth, so you have to write from an emotional truth as well, memories. and so much of that emotional truth gets wrapped up in perspective. and what your perspective is at the time that you're experiencing, the thing that you're on the right thing years later. and i've tried to be as truthful to that perspective as i can as this out in the air fun. yeah. i am just going to pick just oh, so sorry to catch go ahead. what is the 2nd thing as i, as i shared with each of you, if you and your, your family that was about 20 years ago. got you got what was the 2nd thing? oh no i if i'm, if i'm honest, um 566. what's a good question? i got so, so you, i'm confused, but he was hoping to have a couple of things that i was thinking about at the shed about your family. i was

as, as an advocate family growing up in the u. k. there was very distinctive gender roles . yeah. mom did some certain things. your dad did certain things and that has an impact on you as you grow up and you know, still mom from cancer and then your dad basically is not. but he wasn't actually good in terms of the spread time stories giving you couples which you know, that sort of thing. how does that impact you as a young man and then as an older man writing about it? yeah, that's true. i think. i think i just didn't understand my dad when i was, when i was young, i didn't understand that. came from was from a position of vulnerability. it was a stoicism, but it was a position of vulnerability. and actually my dad, since my mom,

his boss is kind of he's, he's very in touch with his reading, se, se, talking about how he feels. and he is constantly thinking about his place in the world. and i really love that about him and i, i but you know the relationship i have with him now for anything and i'm sure it would have been so they would have been nice to have had that as a teenager. but you know, that's just not the way the what, what was and um, so you know, con, icon go back and change things. i think what, what i wanted to do in this book is to create a space, the men, fathers, the men of color. so to show the bummer was i to be unable to be soft, to be fallible, to, to make mistakes, to none, to listen to step back when we need to. and yeah, because, you know, i'm father of a to none of us. a perfect and i think often some you need someone to sort of

stop, you need someone to kind of create space for other people to kind of come around. so i really hope that it makes more men think about that place in the world and, and also allowing that phone realty to be visible. i'm going to place you some thoughts and maybe he gives he's a friend of the strange you know, so a right to as well. and she wants to ask you this. i've really enjoyed the book. i loved all of the ad because we've been raising, and i love all the food mentions and the way food plays into our emotions and our families and our memories. my question is really about how to preserve joy. i mean, in the death of greece and also just has a parents. how do you manage to kind of raise your girls with joy and also infuse,

are raising with joy even when things are difficult. i left may, may contribute to the good have a great usa, which was a real treat for us because he's touching, amazing, right? to get the, the main thing is running to the book is how to how thinking about joy. you think about bound business thinking about making sure the world feel limitless and expensive, but at the same time my, my kids realistic about what to expect and a, you know, it's a very hard thing to do. and i found that being present weather is, you know, with my kid to in the writing is, is the thing that's really helping me to find joy and no say like, not project to my cynicism. i might, j did this on to my children, but instead being present in how they see the world and trying to explain things well to them as they see it rather than explaining well to them as a world where we have person in the forty's. my might expect to say it's been

a really, really big learning lesson for me because it's so easy to just of all to well, the world is this way because i think kind of give you an example of this. my daughter wanted to know about the best of bus boycott, which was a big civil rights event in breast of wherever he lives in the sixty's and whatnot. he explained, it was explained to me, i realized that tell her what racism was, which is a strange thing to have to explain but. and so when i explained to her what racism was, her reaction was that stupid. that doesn't make any sense. and i immediately was like, well then what maybe people might be by says because i don't have to stop myself and get hold of the minute you're bringing to that she just on this or type by trying to justify why someone might be racist in order to illustrate why racism exist, actually what you need to do is talk to the level and yes,

racism is incredibly stupid. it's an incredibly pathetic thing. and that really yes, that was a really big less yes. yeah, because there's, there's a little bit of heat in your book. there's actually a little and you put when you talk about brown, this in a skin tone. and i will just share this with our audience. and this is where you took about problem just to show a little clips for everybody, a little x that is a consistent thing you said throughout your entire childhood was that you didn't like the color brown. you're talking about the little go. she doesn't like to color and it was too dark. another time you told me it was the team reason you told me you wished i was. why? and then i will be like you say why? i replied, i want to be like mommy. he said before disappearing into another room was he stopped for scott. there was nothing more to say. you'll keeps a jo heritage and this is something that you wrestle with throughout the book. i have 2 little nephews and their irish welsh. i know,

jerry and i know that my little nephew came back from the 31 day. he has the most magnificent epic. and he said, i don't like my hat in the whole time. we did about 23 years of campaigning about how cold it was to have a big froze. but nobody else have one. i feel really young age, little kids growing up in the west where perhaps and not surrounded by brown and black people were just the time they are getting these concept super early. how does a 4 year old say she doesn't like to be brown? how did you, how did you analyze that? how did you impact that the cache i wish i knew, i wish i knew where that came from because those things being internalized for so early on it really threw me back because there was nothing that was happening in, in a home that would pointed towards that and it kind of a, you know,

once you kids are out, so the ones that going to, you know, daycare and that's 31 to say i'm mixing with other kids. so like hearing how other people's parents talk and how that impacts and other children around that they're absorbing so much information in the absorbing information that such an exponential rate that you know, our kids grew up essentially way around. what, what would be traditionally boys close? because they were having me down some cousins because you know, kind of doing kids go out and fast, but they, as soon as they went to mastery, they decided that they didn't want to weigh those clouds because i was boys a sand yet before going to mastery they hadn't made that, that distinction act tool. and that was the same with brown this and so that's why that's why i'm so adamant that i that read. yeah. we do,

we talk about representation of why representation of matters and all that in this everything. the representation is like the present ation in what d. b, o o reading books is, is what the end goal, leather and pick and necessarily makes the world the best place. but i do think that having the diverse representation in kids, but it's in, you know, yeah, kids tv shows the stuff that kids are absorbing from a very, at the age of that is what it is that browned kids and kids with disabilities, visible disabilities and kids with in a non visible disabilities, kids and non traditional families and goes and so as to main couch is a very story is like, as of the stories assented, then that sends a message, not just to, to my kids about to everyone. i often think that you know, white middle cause what met and you kind of probably the ones who need representation the most because we're able to suspend their disbelief enough for

a while, but go see busting. but they wouldn't suspend that display for the sort of for women combust guys when that when guys buses came out and you know, they to corner there why, right? one less the drawings. and for me, that just tells you who, who needs this diverse representation of what age they need as well. and so, you know, so my daughter isn't internalizing these things from the full. she's even gone to school to there is something that i love about what to doing with your, with your little ones. you should have a picture from your, your instagram for you to a few little girls in that new research. like, how will i be the best i can be a and so when he goes to get research as the good main project, so i'm going to share it here. 25 south states will was the dad's raising delta. so he went through this, this is a list of 25 things and you should be a member. and then you came up with, you know, chinese if i also show this is

a great is she came up with an attorney to which is also in your memo, would you read it as a go right to, to go to saturday, special kind of guy read out your advice for parents if i choose to take it, go. yeah, sure. just to kind of give you a caviar aid. you know, this is a chapter where i'm kind of exploring what it is to be at that raising daughters of the things that i should be thinking about. and i, and i do a lot of reading about, i know that that should be raising daughters and, well, i was a cuts a was actually the listing. tell me more about how we should be raising boys and how is revising goes. and so a kind of a so i so how should, how should i be, how should one be so the more i think about it, i'm left increasingly with my version of this list. don't shame your daughter for the way she dresses at all the body. she is in tell us she is perfect just the way

she is. beautiful and smiles and funny and everything else. she is racer in love, not state about the way she looked sort of vehicles and never pick any of it being go 6. so yeah, you, you share your little ones with us. no, i read late, but you do kind of shed the thinking that stories. i'm gonna show you some pictures here because it's really beautiful. and they all shaping use to become i'm going to say, feminist ally, there was things that you didn't realize about with me that we had to do and handle that you now get because you got little goes and it was a movement. and i know this, i strongly situation and you cool people in the family situation, vince because of why, what was going on that you realize this is what it means to be

a little go tell us the story. yeah. so it was, it was mostly around me, cuddles and 2 people, demanding cutoff, my daughter and one thing to cook. and the nailed in this situation use some language that basically sounded very aggressive misogynistic. and in that moment i was like, oh my god, i see how i see how the language like casual language can be so the sexist and so abusive towards women and, and make them feel of such a way about their bodies. and um, i writes about this quite honestly in the book i texted 2 of my friends to my female friends. i was like, oh my god guys, i get it. i get it now. i get what's been saying, i've just witness this thing on there. like yeah, well done, like i'm say with adults isn't on the street is like you have and or even the

reason i put it in the book is because regardless of what the social issue we believe and you know, for, for white people who want to get involved and then to racism, work for men who want to be a feminist. i lie for those of us who i had to know much if you want to stand up for a l g b t t y, a plus community for those of us who are middle class, he wants to ensure that we're not taking up space of work from does people for 4 of us here, and there are, there are points in those conversations where we will hang back because we feel uncomfortable. we don't want to get something wrong. and actually we should, should wrong. i'm be okay with being uncomfortable, and i wasn't comfortable, uncomfortable with my friends, basically making fun of me for demanding and wanting to provide the cookie for them . but, but putting it in the book, i kind of show that it's okay guys. we're going to be fine, like, you know?

yes, there is a degree to which i understand all this stuff much more like press to permanently because i'm seeing in real time. but it's why do with that? what do you now the eye witness to the matches that counts the case of food here from short. see 100 on you chase a short see says i've never believe racism is natural in any way. we all conditioned to these things and taught them. and these to brings and phobias a 100 down from out out. so he's just adding onto what you were saying about thing, a brown skin and brown this and how you how you've talked to your youngsters about that. i also want to bring in a comment from rubbing haul, who was a call to needs, and she experienced racism growing up. and i'm wondering how you protect your children from it is really

a fine go to america. and i 14 the dog really speaking in english. so the 1st time that i felt like i was a foreigner was the 1st day of my school in america. there wasn't any little classes. so i was basically enrolled in the regular classes with no help in terms of the language i saw on heard and ignored and very insecure. there are definitely some kids who believe me because i didn't speak in english. and also i did not book white america, but fortunately, i was able to make some friends by going to afternoon art classes at a local comic book shop. how did you handle racism? as a youngster, people codes new names. people called me names going up in the u. k. and,

and, and that was just part of every day. like how do you protect kids from that? yeah, i, i don't know if i handled it the best when i was growing up. there wasn't really that wasn't really a blueprint that wasn't really like an instruction manual for how to handle it. a lot of it, especially when i grew up in the school, i went to the environment i was in and what, how my parents internalized it was the basic needs just don't go on with it to better than these people. do you have to be asked to prove it to be better than them? and the thing that i'm really trying with my kids is instead of centering, how they should be about white people was entering how they should be about around the default. i want to send to how they should to be, you know, that somebody that's much more important and knowing that they can talk to me about

all of these things and you know, making sure that they are aware of what the world is. but also they feel like they could be anyone that they could be in a thing. and if they ever do experience this stuff, i mean i. so someone in the comments has referred to me as a race socialist. thanks guys, as because i'm going to be talking about is races. imagine i imagine building a career because you really want to talk about racism and not because it's not to join lives so much that you feel compelled to i'd much would be watching comedy fiction. my friend and fall from being a race hosted, but the point is yeah, i've got a bank of what that, that my kids can read or watch and feel like they're not alone, which is why i felt growing up. it just, it should please thing really great talking to you for the past 25 minutes. have a look here on my laptop, ground babies and memo of race, family and home, and is also an accompany co cost. i just want you to hear the music. how listen to

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