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program on the wrong con, the us says weapons negotiations between russia and north korea. all moving fluid reports suggest that a face to face meeting between the 2 leaders could happen this month. not much as being said by he the most go on young. but the relations of page be deepening and fost, washington. it maintains that most goes desperate and is for the isolating itself amid the war and ukraine. so is an isolated rush up more dangerous for the west and will forging ties with north korea give present boots and more leverage will explore these issues without guessing in moments. but 1st, this report by catch it look as hold. again, it's a friendship that's causing alarm. in washington, russia in north korea to increasingly isolated nations with a shared opposition to the west. the us, as president latimer put in, then king john own may meet in russia later this month. moscow is looking for

weapons for its war and ukraine. and north korea has plenty to sell of providing weapons to russia for use on the battlefield, to attack grain silos and the heating infrastructure of major cities as we had into winter to try to conquer territory that belongs to another sovereign nation, is not gonna reflect well on north korea and they will pay a price for this and return for weapons young young will likely wants food, energy, and technology, russia. katie is needing to offer something to most career to get a munition. it's not just straightforward, just purchase. and i would say as well, that what we have seen twos, that's not guessing what they need from china, which i think is very interesting. the kremlin has not commented on the prospects of the meeting despite sanctions and criticism. it's long defended. it's right to

advance oppression interest with whoever it sees fit. moscow has been turning to other heavily sanction nations such as iran and north korea for support. a move, some analysts believe could be used as political leverage. is basically about sending us even up to washington, is that a rush but ease capable of creating some additional travel even for the united states in east asia. as soon as the logic is easily united states, excessively active in supporting ukraine, a rush of you probably start doing something to create no study. in fact, russian defense minister said hey, show who traveled to peeling beyond in july. the visit, according to many analysts, was essentially a weapons shopping spree came showed office arsenal, to russian and chinese government officials and displayed missiles,

banned by the united nations by category leticia. their suspicion, the north korea has already provided russia with artillery shells, rockets and munitions. when the question now is whether more weapons and perhaps an alliance will follow up was yeah, well, katia looked this up again for inside story. the lets me, i guess, and so young check long a research color, the insight into the university institute for north korean studies. he's also an advisor to the south korean national unification. administrative in london is julie newman, co director of the center on us politics at university college, london. i must go, said grandma, called for my russian m b and a former spokes person for russian president vladimir putin. a warm welcome to you'll like to begin in moscow with surrogate mock of uh, the russians officially haven't actually said anything about this meeting. the americans are making a lot of noise about this potential meeting. what have you been here?

uh uh i think uh is that uh, uh, some uh, negotiation uh separately uh was, uh, uh, the 4th floor and the concessions up. lots of when concession is, uh, it was a do is just sort of declare, right. eastern decamp. uh now shells. uh, because this was sure it was, it comes out from of sales uh, extremely high and most of yeah, because the present or sales. uh for is that possible? well, i guess uh, south scott, yeah. and united states are so i, there are some of it and it shows is what was most kinda assessed. uh, also possibly i will be interesting to have some of the guys from north star and awesome to some of the soldiers from north star, north kinda interesting about, uh, uh, getting college uh, sanctions against most color. uh, also submitted to

a technologist and some i'm gonna call sir. um, but tulsa is the main account. so uh, simple power is a little so what i 2nd a few to know steady on. so that's a very well so it's, uh, it's a point for discussions, but also i know something. what was that intentional decision like on nothing to, to so united states because uh, no problem is not the size. uh better for us. also know into the psalms of japan, this installs carrier tribute, taking them i call them because this concert is a 2 part that was that high, but sanctions against our assets. but didn't do this on china and he did a so novel commented as joseph ropes, the fall was meant by so breaks amendment salt function i uh, 2 sided possessions. both must have been taken out. the cause of hopes entails of china. yeah, this is the point that same pause that negotiation also i oppose somebody something

about a game because that was a call right info is that a at least 2 percent sounds and a given the sales, it's a difficult task. not to say i do go good. well, let's make that point to august and sold young chick ball. yeah, i guess they must go is saying the actually south korea and japan and the us, they really have a saying, any of this is to silver and nations during a deal we can show what do you think well as to silver and nation. so whatever it will be negotiated decided it's in russia and north korea, right? it's up to those the countries and those, the country alone will be held responsible for the outcomes of any uh, agreement. so it is possible it for a split into a spring data is of the country. if the southern meeting is indeed going to take place here for us. yeah, we'll provide both of us military rep and technology a to know square. yeah. then it'll be a rush, you know,

south korea crossing the red line. first. i knew that the russian government already is just on the wanting to use on, you know, governor soft korea that it's south. korea will provide me their weapons that ukraine then brush over close to dory. it has all official declaration of war to russia in russia. we'll provide, you know, military weapons to north korea. but if the right show close is the red land 1st, then sounds great. we'll have free hands and the russia will be both carnival for the outcomes. julie nolan in london, it's a bit of the most to strike on the parts of the periods and it's a deal that is doing this very strict parameters this deal if it happens. however, this is something that has the us consensus like huge amount they can do about that . surely. well, that's exactly right near the u. s. has been watching this potential development as a close relationship between russia and north korea for some time. and especially

this potential movement of arms from north korea to russia for, for the war. but you said that exactly you did. us already has sanctions on north korea. they've already boxed un sanctions on north korea. so it's obviously not a state that they engage with that much to be able to have any kind of real leverage or right now with russia either. so i think some in washington are going to be watching on china is movements with on if and when this relationship develops, how much beijing beams and or beans out of it, because they're really probably the state that has more leverage in this and definitely much more than the u. s. s. okay, mark of one of the thing that's been brought up so far is this transfer of advanced weapons technology by russia to north korea. you didn't say that was going to happen. you talked about food age. you talked about other types of a b, you didn't talk about advance weapons technology being transferred to north korea. do you think that might happen by russia? i see the 2 most kind of. yeah. it's not the most kind of interesting to hear

from russia about joseph little members, some examples of who was the ministers of all the colors. and by the way, is that no sanction against my last day i have been imposed to store upon nuclear. i made it to the program i know starting to and the subset of this to this dentist . dr. cho so incentive plus. i'm sorry. uh and is that why most tiny i well no kind of nuclear weapon that is excellent, but messiah oh such. so this on some side would be uh, taken, didn't call to, was always know any of that a negative results. but to minnesota technologist, we'll uh, account most x a to be more strong and digital moving all sections. what that is. i'm not a gearbox. i'm interested in technology,

so it will be great to green light up. what was that such a x age. and so most of that you just in the mid to just know just to produce more, we found that that's okay. more rec, those. uh, so i have to jump on and do is the united states. uh, is this program or actually not in the book. uh, because uh, uh, south korea and japan as a junior partner. so you're not just faced, take your thought is that i before it gets an awesome you know, quote levels. is that why uh, more programs, is it doing it as far as the night to face, even better or not, uh, able to afford it for a home uh for the uh, united states it is and uh, you know, so that's not quite a green light to give advanced weapons technology to, to north korea, but certainly there's some wiggle room that to give some sort of weapon this

technology to north korea. what does that do to south korea? what's the response? well, thoughts, korea, as a response to a note, curios, continues provocation send a welcome development, has been strictly proportional to t y periods proportional. so if russia is not going to provide the poor technology for north korea to help develop, you know, military satellites and nuclear propel some are incense, so it's great as the response translate, way that unites in japan will be proportional. but it, for us just upset, providing north korea only with who they and the invitation to try a letter of military exercises with china. then, best not going to satisfy the origin needs of north korea, which as advanced, mightily struggling to salvage it is so failed the economy and which has been great

to late the late with it. so and research plan to develop 5 major or the best weapon systems as it on the house in the 8th party congress, held in january 2021. so, what russia is willing to provide north korea will not be satisfactory. touching don't regime of nose gas. so there is a shoes gap between putting government on russia and the can no resume of nose clear if somebody meeting is going to happen. stealing on the net down to the young sink, tulips about. that's a gap, but we've seen before. let's take, for example, the negotiations over the joint came brands and plan of action between iran and the us. when donald trump pulled out of that deal, iran slowly eventually raised its stakes in the game by enriching uranium to the point where they were really kind of pushing the us to see what they'd react to russia. he could do the same thing. it could give potentially weapons technology to

the americans, and they could keep pushing it and keep pushing it to the point and then back away . the americans once again, you know, they're on the back foot here. so other than, i mean it's the, oh it's the same question again. i asked you earlier, is there anything that they can do that can stop anything like this? yeah, it's a, it's a good question and you're exactly right. there is the short term concerns right now for washington and terms of just more uh, ammunition and artillery, getting to, to russia for the war. but there are more of these long term concerns as well. and especially this potential transfer of critical technology, or people of knowledge to further developed north korea's weapon systems. obviously the us has been watching the acceleration of north korea is um, testing lately. this is something that they obviously don't want to see in terms of pressures, right? i imagine it will not be i'm on white kind of what we've seen in the past with a run where you there would be different kinds of international and bilateral

pressures, especially regarding any kind of transfer of nuclear technology. um, but at the end of the day it will be difficult for the us to control that we see them doing right now instead is of course just trying to bolster the relations with other partners in the region. obviously on japan and south korea most prominent way . um but in terms of direct pressure, um it is a bit limited and where their leverage is right now. so like a lot of calls um the russians have supported sanctions and. ready korea in the pos, particularly within uh the you and the security council. is this now a complete change of position for russia? so it's, i would say not complete, change it about a, this is edition been done like they've changed. what's the dimensions of this art sounds like again, smells kind of doesn't fall. last friday i literally have nuclear ribbon that it's kind of looked at the system and develop thinking development. it's easy, it was

a 2nd it uh, we understand that now any agreement was best and goes to a substitute to say this was because, uh uh, with some confidence that does the whole united states the same as uh, oregon as 3 minutes and then put us on this as a don't at a spec back. uh and then uh, is there in size in uh, some, uh, uh, for example, i was, uh, a good the agreement though was a good deal. and what was the result? was this great deals and wasn't done just completely. no, because it's for good news on the agreement that was due on that you came in here and gone with reinstall agreement and both of them co ops because that uh uh, but it is united states. uh, keep going, but as soon as you uh, we buy later a suicide rate. so what the agreements with says present constance,

no worries. and i understand that more so. um good. we will be more uh it's into this one. but as a, we'll go, what happened was by mid it didn't got them and didn't imagine email. uh, it was a little do minus 2 is that admitted to the government of niger, but not to answer those them get out. we're going to be more and more distributed. no division this niger. i got more perspective. so scratch account, those that come through isn't that was the results more. we were a little bit older, only just a girl. i have no one year agreement with, but sometimes there's more, more our, it just a little bit of i'm so sorry, judy, i'm going to come to you in just a 2nd, but i want to put the point to young should only be again, listen 2nd, marco says there's literally nothing you guys can do. this is there's nothing i mean is there anything that you guys can do and i've it's,

there's some sad title asking that question. i don't think there is that junction about that is why i emphasize the proportional response as a t award. that we have to pay attention if we expect any type of response coming from, sort of create a zip and then the united space for and a closer security partnership and possible weapon tre is taking place between russia and north korea. the response will be proportional if russia gives the best buy from technology, and the best weapon is itself to know is greater than a like, why is the response so should be expected. ok. no country can force russia as also bring country to do something. it does not want it so truly, russia's own choice as a solving country. likewise, the russian will be held responsible for the outcomes of its own action and

decision as a permanent member of the security council of the united nation, which happened to vote in favor of passing, although resolutions against north korea and other and major. so russia is a southern country has all the freedom to make sort of big choices, but responsibility will not disappear. it's julie in london. this is where we're at right now. this is where we're at with. busy a, a need for russia to get the type of weapons that north korea has in abundance. and that's affectively shows. that's the way that the ukraine will, is being full right now. it doesn't have very many partners, it can get them because it says, although a very tiny border with north korea, it does have a boat with north korea. if you're in us politics right now, and you realize that your choices absolutely limited as president joe biden. what are you going to be thinks, what are your options going to be in terms of really getting out in front of this

a make and turning into a thing where you're going to try and just sweep under the carpet? yeah, i don't think it's fine that can be swept under for the reasons that we've been discussing. and what we've seen so far is a strategy that the us actually use in the early parts of the war as well, which was trying to get out ahead of a story and story to about expos, uh, what might be happening before it actually happened. so us intelligence wanted to kind of broadcast the fact that this meeting was likely going to occur new forecasting, what some of the agreements might be. so that is part of the strategy, right there is just putting it out and then open your eyes. the other just have said, these are 2 sovereign states, the fact that the us can't change the decisions they're making is true. but the was trying to obviously respond to the new realities and the consequences that they're going to be. and again, there are international frameworks and norms to you to, to stop some of these kinds of arms transfers. again, with that said,

i think the us right now is going to be doing their own bolstering of new brain. but similar types of arts that we're going to munition in terms of the war. and again, it is going to be trying to expand their own security and defense that brought us in the pacific through their partners in the region as well. to me, that's very interesting, but the us has a habit of publicly saying there is a red line most famously a bomb. it said this about syria and series use of chemical weapons to re use chemical weapons. that red line seemed to have disappeared. extensive moved slightly further. no, i mean, yes, the u. s. can supply ukraine with similar weapons, but it's likely that they'll need to make a strong statement and that strong statement is going to be some sort of red line we've seen in the past. you think that will happen again? you know, i think as i said after obama has comments during syria, i think just the one tries to avoid the red line terminology, so to speak. but we have heard comments from washington already in the last 24

hours saying that there would be a price to pay if this are kind of arms do a went through. again, we're not sure exactly what that would actually be um, but this is the language that we hear from washington. i do think 0. it was a lot different. there were a lot of different kind of options that were on the table at the time that our, the west is just a bit more constrained with these 2. as we've said these to this things are an actor is who the us has very little relations with either right now for different reasons. and so we need to rely on different kinds of avenues, but their, their direct leverage on is going to be difficult for this one. so good luck of all you worried that the us thing that might be a price to pay? does that even concern? i'm not sure what to and i don't get to that exact to myself. so the corrosion rush, we're worried about what i do, my assistant to might just say, doing, able to sing back for us to reach you united. so i can do. so we did, i did say,

you know, many made the state this ever want to that. do you great in the region, by the way, just going to respond is because it goes about political general rose, these governments even that call him and his father says that's my thing about money to go to our speech here. we have to, i told the many, oh this at a many. yes. you know, i, you're not just killed. in fact that uh, you know, something about the 1000 ukrainian soldiers. i'd say a russians by the way, the united states have now. but i see that the, you single russian language, which is native language of pulls this 75 percent the population of your grades reduced to because there's a lot of in fact and what was united as grades. it could do more. well, i think that's the general theme of this discussion, but i want to put a very quick point because we all are running out of time to young. should you

understand your parts of the national unification minister where you were about as far from that as ever before. but is that any leverage that south korea has on north korea? is that back channels? is that anything that is going on right now? that might point to another way out of this. the situation is not really right for any meaningful communication between the 2 career or idea of the content and cultivation, a kind of a corporation. it appears that that came down resumed is bedding, everything on the result of dog coming, president election in the united states, which will be november next year or, or king. it's a favorite us present the wrong is coming back then all these things shows threats . and in the past speak strategy in uh, military, a deterrence against no degree

a might be quickly off the table. so until then those good will not have any interest in cultivating dialogue and negotiation with south korea or any other country is seen that matter. to me just a bit of a left field question for you. um, we haven't really heard of a north korea russian data before. in fact, you know, right. no 3, it was missing throughout russia's history is a bit of a kind of a client state and a, something that was just more convenient than perhaps the trade partner has this come as a surprise to the us establishment. and you're right, this is a sort of turning of the table is uh, with russia fueling to north korea for, for the weapons and whatnot. i'm interested in kind of relationship is something that's definitely a shift from the past. with that said, again, the u. s. has been watching these movements closely, really for the last year when it was on indicate that north korea might be giving weapons at that time to the wagner group. so it's been on the radar for

a while. um, but as you noted, it said your many in washington are trying to frame the sides. it shows on the, the need of rushed or right now to be looking at states like north korea, looking at states like a ron, because their own weapons are depleting and because sanctions are working, i think that's a pretty optimistic spin on it. realistically they're seeing that the, there is a changing in some of the geo politics right now. the closeness of russia and north korea. and especially if i'm again, if china beans into this for joint drove. there are other kinds of cooperation that is a kind of solid area. the us would not want to see a 2nd or cover just very quickly. but there is a practical element, hey, of having to get stuff from russia and to north korea is a very small red line and a 17 color to buddha. is it possible that you can get to that this deal done in, on a practical level? it's a particle lever action. most printer says

a common border and it's can be, is a 3 can be it is a may to cause it wasn't difficult because the almost fussing secret things that one of them will about. um is this. uh, is this due to be implemented without the problem is the problem is to make the deal because most kind of yeah, is a very unique country. it matches up now because no so man deals with a concert, most air pulling on the serious object and uh, almost no experience so far as it was getting some deals uh waste. uh north credit, a government. so the zip. oh, is it possible at all? we don't know if i wanna think, oh, guess a young check by uh, judy norman and surrogate marco and i want to thank you as well for watching. now,

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