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hello. okay, so it program on the wrong code. the us says weapons negotiations between russia and north korea. all moving fluid report suggests that a face to face meeting between the 2 lead is, could happen this month. not much is being said by either must go on young, but the relations of page be deepening and fost, washington, it maintains that most goes desperate and is for the isolating itself amid the will and you crane. so is an isolated rush up more dangerous for the west and will forging ties with north korea give present boots and more leverage will explore these issues without guessing in moments. but 1st, this report by catch it look as one of you, and it's a friendship that's causing alarm in washington. russia in north korea to increasingly isolated nations with a shared opposition to the west. the us, as president latimer put in, then king john own may meet in russia later this month. moscow is looking for

weapons for its war in ukraine. and north korea has plenty to sell, providing weapons to russia for use on the battlefield to attack grain silos. and the heating infrastructure of major cities as we had into winter to try to conquer territory that belongs to another sovereign nation, is not going to reflect well on north korea and they will pay a price for this. and return for weapons, young young will likely want food, energy, and technology, russia. katie is needing to offer something to most career to, to get. i'm addition, it's not just straightforward, just purchase. and i would say as well, that what we have seen to is that it's not guessing what they need from china, which i think is very interesting. the kremlin has not commented on the prospects of the meeting despite sanctions and criticism. as long as it stands,

it is right to advance suppression interest with whoever it sees fit. moscow has been turning to other heavily sanction nations such as iran and north korea for support. a move, some analysts believe could be used as political leverage. is basically about sending a signal to washington. is that a rush but ease capable of creating some additional travel in uh for the united states in east asia? so the logic is easily united states, excessively active in supporting ukraine. a rush of you probably start doing something to create a north. scott, in fact, russian defense minister says, hey, show who traveled to peeling young in july. the visit. according to many analysts was essentially a weapons shopping spree kim showed office arsenal to russian and chinese government officials and displayed miss lyles banned by the united nations. is

young their suspicion. the north korea has already provided russia with artillery shells, rockets and munitions. when the question now is whether more weapons and perhaps an alliance will follow, katia look this up again for inside story lets me, i guess and so young check long a research color, the insight into the university institute for north korean studies. he's also an advisor to the south korean national unification. administrative in london is julie newman, co director of the center on us politics at university college, london. i must go set a mark off for my russian and b and a full, a spokes person for russian president vladimir putin. a warm welcome to your flight to begin in moscow with surrogate mock of. uh, the russians officially haven't actually said anything about this meeting. the americans are making a lot of noise about this potential meeting. what have you been here?

uh i think uh is that uh uh, some uh, negotiation uh separately uh is uh, uh, the 4th floor and the concessions up. lots of when the decision is, uh it was a deal is just sort of declare rush. i used to declare for nationals because this was sure it was that transaction of uh, sales uh, extremely high and most of yeah, because the present or sales. uh for is that possible? well, i guess uh south scott yeah. and united states are so i, there are some of it and it shows is what was most kind of assessments. uh, also uh, possibly i will be interesting to have some of the address from north sky. and possibly some of the soldiers from north star, north kinda interesting about, uh, uh, getting caught with uh, sanctions against most color. uh,

also submitted to the technologist and some, i'm gonna call sir. um, but tulsa is the main account. so uh, simple power is a little so i 2nd a few to know steady on sir. uh very well, so it's, uh, it's a point for discussions, but also i know something, what was the interest would be taken back on nothing to, to so united states because uh, no problems are not the size. uh better for us. also know into the psalms of japan, this installs carrier tribute, taking them i call them because this concept is a 2 part those that hybrid sanctions against our assets. but into this of china. and he did a so novel confident shows about the fall was meant by so breaks amendment salt function i to start a concession whole summer. somebody taking out the concept of hopes into some china . yeah, that is, this is the point that st. paul is that i need to zation also i oppose somebody

something about a game because that was a call. right info is that right? uh, at least 2 percent sounds and the gibbons this house is a difficult task. uh not to say. uh good. well, let's make that point to august and sold young ship. well, i guess they must go is saying that actually south korea and japan, i'm the us. they really have a saying, any of this is to silver and nations during a deal. we can tell them, what do you think? well, as to silver and new shows. so whatever it will be negotiated decided it's in russia and north korea, right? it's up to those 3rd countries and those the country alone will be held responsible for the outcomes of any uh, agreement. so it is hospitalized for a split into a spin data is of the country. if the southern meeting is indeed going to take place. if russia will provide both of us military weapon technology to north korea,

then it will be it, russia not south korea crossing the red line. first, i knew that the russian government already is just on the wanting to use on, you know, governor soft korea that it's south. korea will provide me their weapons that ukraine then brush over close to 30. it has all official declaration of war to russia and russia will provide, you know, military weapons to north korea. but if the right show close is the red line 1st, then sounds great. we'll have free hands and the russia will be focusing on both for the outcomes. julie nolan in london, it's a bit of the most to strike on the parts of the parents. and it's a deal that he's doing is very strict parameters this deal if it happens. however, this is something that has the u. s. consent is like huge amount. they can do about it shortly. well, that's exactly right near the u. s. has been watching this potential development as a close relationship between russia and north korea for some time,

and especially this potential movement of arms from north korea to russia for, for the war. but you said that exactly you did. us already has sanctions on north korea. they've already boxed un sanctions on north korea, so it's obviously not a state that they engage with that much to be able to have any kind of real leverage or right now with russia either. so i think some in washington are going to be watching on china's movements with if and when this relationship develops, how much vision going beams in or beans out of it because they're really probably the state that has more leverage than this. and definitely much more than the u. s . s. i mark of one of the thing that's been brought up so far is this transfer of advanced weapons technology by russia to north korea. you didn't say that was going to happen. you talked about food age. you talked about other types of a b, you didn't talk about advance weapons technology being transferred to north korea. do you think that might happen by russia? i think the 2 most kind of yeah,

it's not most kind of interesting to hear from russia about joseph little members, some examples of who was the ministers of the colors. and by the way, is that no sanction against most air. so they've been forced to store upon nuclear a minute to, to program i know, starting to and this upside of this to this dentist. dr. cho, so incentive plus, i'm sorry. uh and is that why most tiny i well no kind of a nuclear weapon that as i sent about a messiah. oh such. so is this on some site would be uh, taken uh, didn't call to, was always know any, not a negative results, but the, minnesota just no, just uh, we'll uh, account most x a to be more strong and digital moving all sections. what that is. i'm not the gearbox. i'm interested in technology. so this will be a great, uh,

green light up. what was that uh such a excel. and so most are you interested in, uh, uh, minnesota just no, just to produce more. we find that, that. okay, more uh select those. uh ssl got it. yeah, those are jump on and 2 is the united states. uh, is this program for us or not? because uh south korea and japan as a junior partner still do not desist. take you to use that. and before it gets an awesome info, all else uh, is that why uh, more programs. is it doing it apartments on your night to face even better or not, uh, able to afford it for a home uh for the uh, united states. uh, east and uh, you know, so that's not quite a green light to give advanced weapons technology to, to north korea. but certainly there's some wiggle room that to give some sorts of

weapons of technology to north korea. what does that do to south korea? what's the response? well, south korea, as a response to the north, korea is continues provocations and the width and development has been strictly proportional to t y periods proportion. now, so if russia is not going to provide the poor technology for north korea to help develop, you know, military satellites and the nuclear propel some are incense, so it's giving us the response. change the way that you nice in japan will be proportional. but if for us just upset, providing north korea only with who they and the invitation to try lateral military exercises with china, then best not going to satisfy the origin needs of north korea, which as advanced, mightily struggling to salvage it is failed the economy and which has been great to

late the late with it so and be so supply and to develop 5 major or the best weapon systems as it on the house in the 8th party congress held in january 2021. so what russia is willing to provide north korea will not be satisfactory, touching, don't regime of northwest. so there is a huge gap between putting government on russia and the can no resume of knows clear if somebody meeting is going to happen. stealing on the net down to the young sink talks about that's a gap that we've seen before. let's take, for example, the negotiations over the joint came brands, a plan of action between iran and the us. when donald trump pulled out of that deal iran slowly but surely raised its stakes in the game by enriching uranium to the point where they were really kind of pushing the u. s. to see what they react to russia, he could do the same thing. it could give potentially weapons technology to the

americans and they could keep pushing it and keep pushing it to the point and then back away. the americans once again, you know, they're on the back foot here. so other than, i mean it's the, oh it's the same question again. i left you earlier. is there anything that they can do that can stop anything like this? yeah, it's a, it's a good question and you're exactly right. there is the short term concerns right now for washington in terms of just more uh, ammunition and artillery, getting to, to russia for the war. but there are more of these long term concerns as well. and especially this potential transfer of critical technology or critical knowledge to further developed north korea's weapon systems. obviously the us has been watching the acceleration of north korea's um, testing lately. this is something that they obviously don't want to see in terms of pressures, right? i imagine it will not be um, unlike what we've seen in the past with our on where you there would be different

kinds of international and bilateral pressures, especially regarding any kind of transfer of nuclear technology. um, but at the end of the day it will be difficult for the us to control that we see them doing right now instead is of course just trying to bolster the relations with other partners in the region. obviously on japan and south korea most prominent way . um but in terms of direct pressure, um it is a bit limited in where their leverage is right now. so like a lot of calls um the russians have supported sanctions and. ready korea in the pulse, particularly within the u and the security council. is this now a complete change of position for russia or uh, it was not complete changing about the uh, this is edition that there might have changed whatever that those hospital visit mention is his options again, smell, stan doesn't fall. last friday i already have nuclear ribbon that it's kind of looked at as a system and development and development. it's easier. uh secondly,

we understand that now any agreement was best and goes to a substitute to send us was because uh uh, with some confidence centers. all united states became, uh, is uh, oregon as 3 minutes. and then put us on this as a don't at a spec back. uh and uh, is there in size in, uh, some, uh, uh, for example, i was, uh, i go to agreement. that was a, uh, good deal. and what was the result of this great deals and wasn't done just completely? no, because it's for good news on the agreement that was due on your current menu and government reinstall agreement. and both of them are co ops because that uh uh, but it is united states uh cable. but as soon as you uh we by weight that is also great. so what is the agreement with this present constance?

notice and i understand that more so long. it will be more uh its into this one, but as a well go, what happened was i made it to the gentleman, just imagine email. uh, it's all the local do moms tools that made it to the government of niger, but not to uh, send those them, get dogs would need to be more and was carpeted. no dental vision this niger, i got my perspective. so scratch account, those that come through isn't that is the results more. we were a little bit on the only just real. i have no one year agreement with this and done . there's more, more our it just a little bit of i'm so sorry, judy, i'm going to come to you in just a 2nd, but i want to put the point to young, should only be again, listen. second marco says there's literally nothing you guys can do. this is, there's nothing i mean is there anything that you guys can do and i've it's,

there's some sad title asking that question. i don't think there is that long term . well, there is why i emphasize the proportional response as a t award. that we have to pay attention if we expect any type of response coming from south korea, japan and the united space for and a closer security partnership and possible weapon tre, taking place between russia and north korea. the response will be proportional if russia gives the best buy from technology, and the demands weapon is itself to know is greater than a likewise respond. so should be expected. again, no country kenneth course, russia as also ring country to do something. it does not want it so truly, russia's own choice as a southern country. likewise, the russia will be held responsible for the outcomes of its own action and decision

as a permanent member of the security council of the united nation, which happened to vote in favor of passing, although resolutions against north korea and other in measure. so russia is a southern country has all the freedom to make strategic choices, but response ability will not disappear. it's julie uh, in london. this is where we're at right now. this is where we're at with. busy a, a need for russia to get the type of weapons that north korea has in abundance. and that's effectively shows. that's the way that the ukraine will, is being full right now. it doesn't have very many partners, it can get them because it says, although a very tiny border with north korea, it does have a border with north korea. if you're in us politics right now, and you realize that your choices absolutely limited as president joe biden. what are you going to be thinks, what are your options going to be in terms of really getting out in front of this

a make and turning into a thing where you're going to try and just sleep under the carpet? yeah, i don't think it's fine that can be swept under for the reasons that we've been discussing. and what we've seen so far is a strategy that the us actually use in the early parts of the war as well, which was trying to get out ahead of a story and story to about expos, uh, what might be happening before it actually happened. so us intelligence wanted to kind of broadcast the fact that this meeting was likely going to occur new forecasting, what some of the agreements might be. so that is part of the strategy, right there is just putting it out in the open your eyes. the other just have said, these are 2 sovereign states. the fact that the us can't change the decisions they're making is true. but the writer is trying to obviously respond to the new realities and the consequences that they're going to be. and again, there are international frameworks and norms to you to, to stop some of these kinds of arms transfers. and again, with that said,

i think the rest right now is going to be doing their own bolstering of new brain, similar types of our children and ammunition in terms of the war. and again, it is going to be trying to expand their own security and defense that brought us in the pacific through their partners in the region as well. to read to me. that's very interesting. but the us has a habit of publicly saying there is a red line life famously a bomb. it said this about syria and series use of chemical weapons to re use chemical weapons. that red line seemed to have disappeared. extensive loot slightly further. no, i mean, yes, the u. s. can supply ukraine with similar weapons, but it's likely that they'll need to make a strong statement and that strong statement is going to be some sort of red line we've seen in the past. do you think that will happen again? you know, i think, as i said after obama has comments during syria, i think just one tries to avoid the red line terminology so to speak. but we have

heard comments from the washington already in the last 24 hours saying that there would be a price to pay if this are kind of arms do it went through again. we're not sure exactly what that would actually be um, but this is your language that we hear from washington. i do think, sir, it was a lot different. there were a lot of different kind of options that were on the table at the time that are the us is just a bit more constrained with these 2. as we've said, these 2 distinct sovereign actors who do us has very little relations with either right now for different reasons. and so we need to rely on different kinds of avenues, but their, their direct leverage on is going to be difficult for this one. so good luck of all you worried that the us this thing that might be a price to pay does not even consider. i'm not sure what the hold that i don't get to is that exact to myself. so i was encouraging russia. worry about what are you my assistant to unite, to say, doing able to sing back for us or united states can do. so would you like to say,

you know, make the, made the state to serve on that? do you great in the region, by the way, just going to respond to this because it goes about political general rose, these governments, even they call him and his father says that's my thing about money to go to our speech here with the last that i told the many, oh this at a many. yes. you know, i do not just kill in fact that uh, you know, something about the 1000 ukraine. yeah. uh. so just as a reference, by the way, you can, if the united states or not. but i see that you single russian language, which is native language and pulls this 75 percent the population of your grades present to because there's a lot of them fit and what was united as grades do more? well, i think that's the general theme of this discussion, but i want to put a very quick point because we all are running out of time to young. should you

understand your part of the national unification minister where you were about as far from that as ever before. but is that any leverage that south korea has on north korea? is that back channels? is there anything that is going on right now that might point to another way out of this? the situation is not really right for any meaningful communication between the 2 class or idea of the content and cultivation, a kind of a corporation. it appears that that came down resumed is bedding, everything on the result. the dog coming president election in the united states, which will be november and next year or, or king. it's a favorite us present the wrong is coming back then all the same shows, threats and then the bus big strategy in uh, military or the tourist against no degree

a might be quickly off the table. so on to the and those good will not have any interest in cultivating dialogue in negotiation with south korea or any other countries in that matter. julian, just a bit of a left feel. a question for you. um, we haven't really heard of a north korea russian daytime before and but, you know, right, no 3, it was missing throughout russia's history is a bit of a kind of a client state and a, something that was just more convenient than perhaps a trade partner has this come as a surprise to the us establishment in your right, this is the sort of turning of the table as uh, with russia appealing to north korea for, for the weapons and whatnot. i'm interested in kind of relationship is something that's definitely a shift from the past. with that said again, the u. s. has been watching these movements closely, really for the last year when it was done, indicated that north korea might be given weapons at that time to the wagner group

. so it's been on the radar for a while. um, but as you noted, it said your many in washington are trying to frame the sides. it shows um the, the need of russia right now to be looking at states like north korea, looking at states like a ron, because their own weapons are depleting. and because sanctions are working, i think that's a pretty optimistic spin on it. realistically they're seeing that the there is a changing in some of the geo politics right now. the closeness of russia and north korea. and especially if i'm again, if china means into this for joining joseph or other kinds of cooperation, that's the kind of solid area that the us would not want to see a 2nd or cover just very quickly. but there is a practical element, hey, of having to get stuff from russia and to north korea is a very small red line in the 17 columbia to buddha. is it possible that you can get to that this deal done in, on a practical level? it will not start to go wherever i sent it. most clear says

a common border and it's can be, is a 3 can be it is a may to cause it wasn't difficult because the almost i think sick of the things that one of them will about um is this. uh, is this do to be implemented without what the problem is? the problem is to make the deal because most kind of yeah, is a very unique country. it matches up now cuz no so many deals with a concert, most air pulling on the stage it and uh, almost no experience so far as it was getting some deals uh waste. uh north credit government. so the zip. oh is it possible it? oh, we don't know if i wanna think, oh, guess a young check by uh, judy norman and surrogate marco and i want to thank you as well for watching. now

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