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program on the wrong con, the us says weapons negotiations between russia and north korea. all moving forward report suggests that a face to face meeting between the 2 lead is, could happen this month. not much. is being said by he the most go on young, but the relations of page be deepening and fost, washington, it maintains that most goes desperate and is for the isolating itself amid the will in ukraine. so is an isolated rush up more dangerous for the west. and will forging ties with north korea give president putin more leverage, will explore these issues without guessing in moments. but 1st, this report by catch it look as hold of you, it's a friendship that's causing alarm in washington. russia in north korea to increasingly isolated nations with a shared opposition to the west. the us, as president latimer put in, then king john own may meet in russia later this month. moscow is looking for

weapons for its war and ukraine. and north korea has plenty to sell, is providing weapons to russia for use on the battlefield to attack grain silos and the heating infrastructure of major cities as we had into winter to try to conquer territory that belongs to another sovereign nation is not going to reflect well, on north korea and they will pay a price for this and return for weapons. john young will likely wants food, energy, and technology, russia. katie is needing to offer something to most career. and to get a munition, it's not just straightforward, just purchase. and i would say as well, that what we have seen twos, that's not guessing what they need from china, which i think is very interesting. the kremlin has not commented on the prospects of the meeting despite sanctions and criticism. it's long defended. it's right to

advance suppression interest with whoever it sees fit. moscow has been turning to other heavily sanction nations such as iran and north korea for support. a move, some analysts believe could be used as political leverage. is basically about sending us even up to washington, is that a rush but ease capable of creating some additional travel even for the united states in east asia. as soon as the logic is easily united states, excessively active in supporting ukraine, a rush of you probably start doing something to create no study. in fact, russian defense minister said hey, show who traveled to peeling beyond in july. the visit, according to many analysts, was essentially a weapons shopping spree came showed office arsenal, to russian and chinese government officials and displayed missiles,

banned by the united nations by category leticia. their suspicion, the north korea has already provided russia with artillery shells, rockets and munitions. when the question now is whether more weapons and perhaps an alliance will follow up was yeah, well, katia looked this up again for inside story lets me i guess and so young check long a research color the insight into the university institute for north korean studies . he's also an advisor to the south korean national unification. administrative in london is julie newman, co director of the center on us politics at university college, london. i must go, said grandma, called for my russian m b and a former spokes person for russian president vladimir putin. a warm welcome to you'll like to begin in moscow with surrogate mock of uh, the russians officially haven't actually said anything about this meeting. the americans are making a lot of noise about this potential meeting. what have you been here?

uh uh i think uh is that uh, uh, some uh, negotiation uh separately, uh it was uh, uh, the 4th floor and the concessions up. lots of when concession is, uh, it was a do is just sort of declare rush. i used to care for nationals because this was sure it was, it comes out from those channels uh, extremely high and most got it. yeah. cuz the zip on sales. uh for. is that possible? well, i guess uh south scott, yeah. and united states are so i, there are some of it and it shows as well. it was north kinda assessments. uh, also possibly i will be interesting to have some of the work just from north star and awesome to some of the soldiers from north star, north kinda interesting about, uh, uh, getting college uh, sanctions against most color. uh, also submitted

a technologist and some i'm gonna call sir. um, but tulsa is the main account. so uh, simple power is a little so i 2nd a few to know steady on sir. uh very well, so these, uh there's a point for discussions, but also i know something. what was that intentional decision like on looked into this. so united states because uh, no problem is not the size. uh better for us also know into the psalms of japan. this installs carrier tribute, taking them, i call them because this account is a 2 part of that kind, but sanctions against our assets. but into this of china. and he did a so novel, confident shows of all the fall was meant by so breaks amendment salt function i, uh, 2 sided possessions. both must have been taken out the cause of hopes into some china . yeah, this is the point that same cause, that negotiation also i oppose somebody something about a d a because that was

a call right. info is this a at least 2 percent sense and a given the sales, it's a difficult task. not to say i do go good. well, let's make that point to august and sold young chick ball. yeah, i guess they must go. is saying that actually south korea and japan and the us, they really have a saying, any of this is to silver and nations during a deal we can show what do you think well as to silver and new shows. so whatever it will be negotiated decided it's in russia and north korea, right? it's up to those the countries and those, the country alone will be held responsible for the outcome. so any agreement, so it is possible it for a split into a spring data is of the country. if the southern meeting is indeed going to take place. yeah, for us. yeah. we'll provide both of us military rep and technology a to know square. yeah. then it'll be a rush, you know,

south korea crossing the red line. first. i knew that the russian government already is just on the wanting to use on, you know, governor soft korea that it's south. korea will provide me their weapons that ukraine then brush over close to 30. it has all official declaration of war to russia, and russia will provide, you know, military weapons to north korea. but if the right show close is the red line 1st, then sounds great. we'll have free hands and the russia will be bo carnival for the outcomes. judy norman, in london, it's a bit of the most to strike on the parts of the parents, and it's a deal that is doing this very strict parameters this deal if it happens. however, this is something that has the u. s. consent is like huge amount they can do about that. surely. well, that's exactly right near the u. s. has been watching this potential development as a close relationship between russia and north korea for some time. and especially

this potential movement of arms from north korea to russia for, for the war. but you said that exactly you did. us already has sanctions on north korea. they've already boxed un sanctions on north korea. so it's obviously not a state that they engage with that much to be able to have any kind of real leverage or right now with russia either. so i think some in washington are going to be watching on china is movements with on if and when this relationship develops, how much beijing beams and or beans out of it, because they're really probably the state that has more leverage in this and definitely much more than the u. s. s. okay, mark of one of the thing that's been brought up so far is this transfer of advanced weapons technology by russia to north korea. you didn't say that was going to happen. you talked about food age. you talked about other types of a b, you didn't talk about advance weapons technology being transferred to north korea. do you think that might happen by russia? i see the 2 most kind of. yeah. it's not the most kind of interesting to hear

from russia about joseph little members, some examples of who was the ministers of all the colors. and by the way, is that no sanction against my last day i have been imposed to store upon nuclear. i made it to the program i know started. yeah. and that's upside of this to this dentist. dr cho so incentive plus. i'm sorry. uh and is that why most tiny i well no. okay. new color, we're under the section of our messiah oh such. so this sense of the site would be uh, taken, didn't call to was always know any of that uh, negative results. uh, but the minnesota technologist will, uh account most x a to be more strong and digital moving all sections. what that is. i'm not a gearbox. i'm interested in technology,

so it will be great to green light up. what was that? such a x age. and so most of that you just didn't car made it to just know just to produce more. we found that it had to have more rec, those uh, ssl started. yeah. it was a jump on and to was the united states. uh, is this program or actually not in the book. uh because uh south korea and japan as a junior partner. so if you're not deceased, take your spot. is that right before it gets an awesome you know, quote levels. uh, is that why uh, more programs. is it doing it as far as the night to face, even better or not evident, more the a home, uh, uh, united states it is. and uh, you know, so that's not quite a green light to give advanced weapons technology to, to north korea. but certainly there's some wiggle room that to give some sort of

weapon this technology to north korea. what does that do to south korea? what's the response? well, thoughts, korea, as a response to a note, curios, continues provocation send a weapon development has been strictly proportional to t y periods proportion. now, so if russia is not going to provide the poor technology for north korea to help develop, you know, military satellites and nuclear propel some are incense, so it's great as the response translate way the united st. japan will be proportional. but it, for us just upset, providing north korea only with who they and the invitation to try a letter of military exercises with china. then, best not going to satisfy the origin needs of north korea, which as advanced, mightily struggling to salvage it is so failed economy. and which has been great to

late the late with it. so and research plan to develop 5 major or the best weapon systems as it on the house in the 8th party congress, held in january 2021. so, what russia is willing to provide north korea will not be satisfactory. touching don't regime of nose gas. so there is a shoes gap between putting government on russia and the chemo regime of nose clear if somebody meeting is going to happen. stealing on the net down to the young sink, tulips about. that's a gap. but we've seen before, let's take, for example, the negotiations over the joint came brands and plan of action between iran and the us. when donald trump pulled out of that deal, iran slowly eventually raised its stakes in the game by enriching uranium to the point where they were really kind of pushing the us to see what they'd react to russia. he could do the same thing. it could give potentially weapons technology to

the americans, and they could keep pushing it and keep pushing it to the point and then back away . the americans once again, you know, they're on the back foot here. so other than, i mean it's the, oh it's the same question again. i asked you earlier, is there anything that they can do that can stop anything like this? yeah, it's a, it's a good question and you're exactly right. there is the short term concerns right now for washington in terms of just more uh, ammunition and artillery, getting to, to russia for the war. but there are more of these long term concerns as well. and especially this potential transfer of critical technology or critical knowledge to further developed north korea's weapon systems. obviously the us has been watching the acceleration of north korea's um, testing lately. this is something that they obviously don't want to see in terms of pressures, right? i imagine it will not be i'm on white kind of what we've seen in the past with our on where you there would be different kinds of international and bilateral

pressures, especially regarding any kind of transfer of nuclear technology. um, but at the end of the day it will be difficult for the us to control that we see them doing right now instead is of course just trying to bolster the relations with other partners in the region. obviously on japan and south korea most prominent way . um, but in terms of direct pressure. um it is a bit limited in regular leverages right now. so like a lot of calls. um, the russians have supported sanctions on north korea in the pulse, particularly within the u. and the security council is this now a complete change of position for russia. so it's, i would say not complete, change it about a, this is edition been done, my big change, whatever. but this whole, as soon as i mentioned this art sounds like, again, smells kind of doesn't fall. last friday i already have nuclear ribbon. then it kind of looked at the system and develop thinking development. it's easy, it was

a 2nd it uh, we understand that now any agreement was best and goes to a substitute to say this was because, uh uh, with some confidence that does the whole united states the same as uh, oregon as 3 minutes and then put us on this as a don't at a spec back. uh and then uh, is there in size in uh, some, uh, uh, for example, i was, uh, i got the agreement though it was a good deal. and what was the result? was this great deals and wasn't done just completely. no, because it's for good news on the agreement that was due on that you came in here and gone with reinstall agreement and both of them co ops because that uh uh, but it is united states. uh cable, but as soon as you uh, we buy it later was almost like great. so what is the agreement with the present?

constance? no worries. and i understand that more so. um good. we will be more uh, it's into this one, but as a well go, what's happened was i made it to the imaginary email. uh, it was a little do minus tools that made it to a government off niger, but not to uh, set those them get dogs. we're going to be more and more distributed. no division this niger, i got more perspective. so scratch account, those that come through isn't that was the results more. we were a little bit older, only just a girl. i have the agreement was best and guns as well. well, i'll uh, it just a little bit of a, sorry, judy, i'm going to come to you in just a 2nd, but i want to put the point to young should only be again, listen. second marco says there's literally nothing you guys can do. this is, there's nothing, i mean is there anything that you guys can do and i've, it's,

there's some sad title asking that question. i don't think there is, is that don't worry about. that is why i emphasize the proportional response as a t award. that we have to pay attention if we expect any type of response coming from side to create that then that you know the space for an, a closer security partnership and possible weapon tre is taking place between russia and north korea. the responsible bid proportional. if russia gives the best buy from technology, and the best weapon is itself to know is clear, then likewise respond. so it shouldn't be expected. again. no country can, of course russia as also bring country to do something. it does not want it so truly rushes own choice as a solving country. likewise, the russia will be held responsible for the outcomes of its own action and decision

as a permanent member of the security council of the united nation, which happened to vote in favor of passing, although resolutions against north korea and other and major. so russia is a southern country has all the freedom to make sort of big choices, but response ability will not disappear. it's julie in london. this is where we're at right now. this is where we're at. we've got a, a need for russia to get the type of weapons that north korea has an abundance of mass affectively shelves. that's the way that the ukraine will, is being full right now. it doesn't have very many partners, it can get them because it says, although a very tiny border with north korea, it does have a border with north korea. if you're in us politics right now, and you realize that your choices absolutely limited as president joe biden. what are you going to be thinks, what are your options going to be in terms of really getting out in front of this

a make and turning into a thing where you're going to try and just sweep under the carpet? yeah, i don't think it's plain that can be swept under for the reasons that we've been discussing. and what we've seen so far is a strategy that the us actually use in the early parts of the war as well, which was trying to get out ahead of a story in store to about expos, uh, what might be happening before it actually happened. so us intelligence wanted to kind of broadcast the fact that this meeting with likely going to occur new forecasting, what some of the agreements might be. so that's part of the strategy, right there is just putting it out in that open your eyes. other just have said, these are 2 sovereign states, the fact that the us can't change the decisions they're making is true. but the was kinda obvious. we respond to the new realities and the consequences that they're going to be. and again, there are international frameworks and norms to you to, to stop some of these kinds of arms transfers. and again, with that said,

i think that us right now is going to be doing their own bolstering of new brain. but similar types in our children, ammunition, in terms of the war. and again, it is going to be trying to expand their own security and defense that brought us in the pacific through their partners in the region as well. i mean, judy that's very interesting, but the us has a habit of publicly saying there is a red line most famously a bomb. it said this about syria and series use of chemical weapons to re use chemical weapons. that red line seemed to have disappeared. extensive moved slightly further. no, i mean, yes, the u. s. can supply ukraine with similar weapons, but it's likely that they'll need to make a strong statement and that strong statement is going to be some sort of red line we've seen in the past. you think that will happen again? you know, i think, as you said after obama's comments during syria, i think just the one tries to avoid the red line terminology so to speak. but we

have heard comments from washington already in the last 24 hours saying that there would be a price to pay if lists aren't kind of arms. do a went through again, we're not sure exactly what that would actually be um, but this is your language that we hear from washington. i do think 0. it was a lot different. there were a lot of different kind of options that were on the table at the time that are the us is just a bit more constrained with these 2. as we've said these to this things are, and actors who do us has very little relations with either right now for different reasons. and so need to rely on different kinds of avenues, but their, their direct leverage on is going to be difficult for this one. so good luck of all you worried that the us this thing that might be a price to pay does not even consider. i'm not sure what the hold and i don't get to that exact to myself. so the corrosion rush rewarded about what i do, my assistant to might just say, doing, able to sing back for russia, reach you united. so i can't do. so would you like to say is, you know,

many made the state this ever want to that? do you great in the region, by the way, just a going to respond is be got to go about political general rose, these governments even that call him and his father says that's my thing about money to go to our speech here. we laugh at, i told the many, oh this at a many. yes. you know, i, you're not just killed in fact that, uh, you know, something about the 1000. uh, ukrainian, uh, soldiers. uh, is there a russians by the way. it is united states right now. but i see that the, you single russian language, which is native language of pulls this 75 percent the population of your grade bridges are because there's a lot of friends in fact and what was united as grades. it could do more. well, i think that's the general theme of this discussion, but i want to put a very quick point because we all are running out of time to young should

understand your part of the national unification minister, where you were about as far from that as ever before. but is that any leverage that south korea has on north korea? is that back channels? is that anything that is going on right now? that might point to another way out of this? the situation is not really right for any meaningful communication between the 2 career or idea of the content and cultivation, a kind of a corporation. it appears that that came down resumed is bedding, everything on the result of dog coming, president election in the united states, which will be november next year or, or king. it's a favorite us present the wrong is coming back then all these things shows threats . and in the past speak strategy in uh, military, a deterrence against no degree

a might be quickly off the table. so until then those good will not have any interest in cultivating dialogue and negotiation with south korea or any other country is seen that matter. to me just a bit of a left feel. a question for you. um, we haven't really heard of a north korea russian daytime before and 5, you know, right. know, 3, it was missing throughout russia's history is a bit of a kind of a client state and a, something that was just more convenient than perhaps the trade partner has this come as a surprise, the us establishment. and you're right, this is a sort of turning of the table is uh, with russia fueling to north korea for, for the weapons and whatnot. and just just kind of relationship with something that's definitely a shift from the past. with that said again the u. s. has been watching these movements closely, really for the last year when it was done, indicated that north korea might be given weapons at that time to the wagner group

. so it's been on the radar for a while. um, but as you noted, it's that your many in washington are trying to frame, decides it shows on the, the need of russia right now to be looking at states like north korea, looking at states like a ron, because their own weapons are depleting. and because sanctions are working, i think that's a pretty optimistic spin on it. realistically they're seeing that the there is a changing in some of the geo politics right now. the closeness of russia and north korea. and especially if again, if china means into this for joining joseph or other kinds of cooperation that is a kind of solid area. the us would not want to see a 2nd or cover just very quickly. but there is a practical element, hey, of having to get stuff from russia and to north korea is a very small red line and the 17 color to buddha. is it possible that you can get to that this deal done in, on a practical level? it will not start to go level of action. most clear says

a common border and it's can be, is a 3 can be it is a may to cause it wasn't difficult because the almost fussing secret things that one of them will about. um is this uh, is this due to be implemented without the problem is the problem is to make the deal because most kind of yeah, is a very unique country. it matches up now because no so man deals with a concert, most air pulling on the stage it and uh, almost no experience so far as it was getting some deals uh waste. uh north credit, a government. so the zip. oh, is it possible at all? we don't know if i wanna think, oh, guess a young check by uh, judy norman and surrogate marco and i want to thank you as well for watching. now

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