is a terrifying experience. how long sufficient intelligence is raised, the stakes and rich on the money markets. as markets scope faster and faster, we're opening up the possibility for an instability for no money bunch on our isolated and on the sanctions of flooding and $0.30 and came john and planning a meeting to cement the lines. the rest of the data finally needs weapons phase will include crane walk and killing young alpha. and how will the west react? this is inside storage, the hello concert program on the wrong cone. the us says weapons negotiations between russia and north korea. all moving fluid reports suggest that

a face to face meeting between the 2 leaders could happen this month. not much as being said by either must go on young. but the relations of page be deepening and fost, washington. it maintains that most goes desperate and is for the isolating itself amid the will and ukraine. so is an isolated rush up more dangerous for the west and will forging ties with north korea give present boots and more leverage will explore these issues without guessing in moments. but 1st, this report by catch it. look, i told you it's a friendship that's causing alarm. in washington, russia in north korea to increasingly isolated nations with a shared opposition to the west. the us, as president latimer put in, then king john own may meet in russia later this month. moscow is looking for weapons for its war and ukraine. and north korea has plenty to sell, providing weapons to russia for use on the battlefield,

to attack grain silos and the heating infrastructure of major cities as we had into winter to try to conquer territory that belongs to another sovereign nation is not going to reflect well on north korea and they will pay a price for this and return for weapons, young young will likely wants food, energy, and technology, russia. katie is needing to offer something to most career and to get i'm addition, it's not just straightforward, just purchase. and i would say as well that what we have seen 2 is that it's not guessing what they need from china, which i think is very interesting. the kremlin has not commented on the prospects of the meeting despite sanctions and criticism. as long as it stands, it is right to advance suppression interest with whoever it sees fit. moscow has been turning to other heavily sanction nations such as iran and north korea for

support. a move, some analysts believe could be used as political leverage. is basically about sending is equal to washington. is that a rush but ease capable of creating some additional travel in uh for the united states in east asia. as the logic is easily united states, excessively active in supporting ukraine. a rush of you probably start doing something to create a north. scott, in fact, russian defense minister says hey, show who traveled to peeling young in july. the visit. according to many analysts was essentially a weapons shopping spree kim showed office arsenal to russian and chinese government officials and displayed missiles, banned by the united nations. by category leticia and various suspicion, the north korea has already provided russia with our hillary shells, rockets and munitions women. the question now is whether more weapons and perhaps

an alliance will follow katia, look this up again for inside story lets me, i guess. and so young check, long a research color, the insight into the university institute for north korean studies. he's also an advisor to the south korean national unification. administrative in london is julie newman, co director of the center on us politics at university college, london. i must go set a mark of full, not russian and b, and a form, a spokes person for russian president vladimir putin. a warm welcome to. you'll like to begin in most go with the gate. ma, call up the russians officially, haven't actually said anything about this meeting. the americans are making a lot of noise about this potential meeting. what have you been here? uh uh i think uh is that uh, uh, some uh, negotiation uh, separately uh was, uh, uh,

the 4th floor and the concessions up. lots of when the decision is, uh, it was a deal was just set up to clear rush. i used to care for nationals. uh because this was what was that transaction of uh, sales uh, extremely high and most of yeah, cuz i looked up reserves or sales. uh for. is that possible? well, i guess uh south scott yeah. and united states are so i, there are some of it and it shows as what was most kind of discussions. uh, also possibly i will be interesting to have some of the address from north star and for some to some of the soldiers from north star, north kinda interesting about, uh, uh, getting caught with a sanctions against most, gonna, uh, also submitted to the technologist and some i'm gonna call sir, um, but tulsa is the main account. so uh, simple power is a little, so i'll check in

a few to know steady on. so that's a very well, so it's a, it's a point for discussions, but also, i know something. what was the interest will be taking like, ah, nothing to to so united states because uh, no problem. it is not the size uh, better for us. also know into the psalms of japan. this installs carrier tribute taking them. i call them because these counters are to pump those that high branch sanctions against our assets, but into this of china. and he did us a novel confident shows about the fall was meant by so breaks amendment salt function i to started concessions. both of us will be taking out the cause of most entails of china. yeah, that is, this is the point that st. paul is that i need to zation also i pose somebody something about a game because that was a call right. info is that right? uh, at least 2 percent sounds and the gibbons this house is a difficult task. uh not to say uh to go go ahead. well,

let's make that point to august and sold young ship. well guess they must go is saying the actually south korea and japan, i'm the us, they really have a saying, any of this is to silver and nations during a deal. we can tell them what do you think? well as to silver and they show. so whatever will be negotiated, decided it's in russia and north korea is up to those 3rd countries and those, the country alone will be held responsible for the outcome. so any agreement. so it is possible, of course, between true a spring data is of the country. if. busy somebody meeting is indeed going to take place if russia will provide both of us military weapon technology to the north korea, then it will be at russia now south korea crossing the red line 1st. i knew that the russian government already is just on the whining to use on, you know,

governor soft korea that it's south. korea will provide me their weapons that ukraine then brush over, consider it as a official declaration of war to russia, and russia will provide, you know, military weapons to north korea. but a for i shall close is the red line 1st, then south grant, we'll have free hands and the russia will be both carnival for the outcomes. julie nolan, in london, it's a bit of the most to strike on the parts of the periods and it's a deal that he's doing is very strict parameters this deal if it happens. however, this is something that has the u. s. consent is like huge amount. they can do about that, surely. well, that's exactly right near the u. s. has been watching this potential development of the close relationship between russia and north korea for some time, and especially this potential movement of arms from north korea to russia for, for the war. but you said that exactly you did. us already has sanctions on north

korea. they've already boxed un sanctions on north korea. so it's obviously not a state that they engage with that much to be able to have any kind of real leverage or right now with russia either. so i think some in washington are going to be watching on china is movements with if and when this relationship develops, how much staging beams and or beans out of it, because they're really probably the state that has more leverage than this. and definitely much more than the u. s. s. i mock of one of the thing that's been brought up so far is this transfer of volumes weapons technology by russia to north korea. you didn't say that was going to happen. you talked about food aid, you talked about other types of a b, you didn't talk about advance weapons technology being transferred to north korea. do you think that might happen by russia? i see the 2 most kind of. yeah. it's not the most kind of interesting to hear from russia about joseph little members, some examples of what was the ministers of the colors. and by the way,

is that no sanction against my last day i have been imposed to store upon nuclear. i made it to the program. oh no, start to and that's upside of this to this. i'm just doesn't cool. so it's senseless. i'm sorry. uh and is that why must have yeah. well no. okay. nuclear weapon that is excellent, but the messiah oh such. so this sense and so it would be uh, taken, i didn't call to was always, i know any, not a negative results, but to minnesota to just uh, we'll uh, account most x a to be more strong and digital moving all sections. what that is. i'm not a gearbox. i'm interested in technology, so it will be great to green light up. what was that such a excel and most of that you just didn't know made it to just know justified use it

more. we found that it had to have more read those. uh, so got it. yeah. it was a jump on and to was the united states is this program for us or not? it's the book because a self study. yeah. in japan as a junior partner. so if you're not to say, take your thought to use that and before it gets it awesome, even though i levels, is that why uh, more programs? is it doing it as far as off tonight to face, even better or not evident, more do a home uh for the united states. it is. and uh, you know, so that's not quite a green light to give advanced weapons technology to, to north korea. but certainly, there's some wiggle room that to give some sort of weapon this technology to north korea. what does that do to south korea? what's the response? well, thoughts corey has a response to a note, curios, continues provocation send

a welcome development, has been strictly proportional to. she was here, is proportional. so if russia is not going to provide the poor technology for north korea to help develop, you know, military satellites and nuclear propel some are incense saw scripts, the response change the way that you nice in japan will be proportional. but it, for us just upset, providing north korea only with who they and the invitation to try a letter of military exercises with china. then best not going to satisfy the origin needs of north korea, which as advanced, mightily struggling to salvage. it is so fail the economy and which has been great to late the late with it. so and resources planned to develop 5 major or the best weapon systems, as it announcing the 8th party congress, held in january 2021. so what russia is willing to provide north korea will

not be satisfactory, touching, don't regime of northwest. so there is a huge gap between putting government of russia and the chemo regime of nose clear if somebody meeting is going to happen. stealing on the net down to the young sink talks about that's a gap that we've seen before. let's take, for example, the negotiations over the joint came brands, a plan of action between iran and the us. when donald trump pulled out of that deal iran slowly but surely raised its stakes in the game by enriching uranium to the point where they were really kind of pushing the us to see what they react to russia. he could do the same thing. it could give potentially weapons technology to the americans, and they could keep pushing it, keep pushing it to the point and then back away. the americans once again, you know, they're on the back foot here. so, other than, i mean it's the, oh,

it's the same question. again, i wish you earlier. is there anything that they can do that can stop anything like this? yeah, it's a, it's a good question and you're exactly right. there is the short term concerns right now for washington and terms of just more uh, ammunition and artillery, getting to, to russia for the war. but there are more of these long term concerns as well. and especially this potential transfer of critical technology, or people of knowledge you further developed north korea's weapon systems. obviously the us has been watching the acceleration of north korea is testing lately. this is something that they obviously don't want to see in terms of pressures, right? i imagine it will not be um, unlike what we've seen in the past with a run where you there would be different kinds of international and bi lateral pressures, especially regarding any kind of transfer of nuclear technology. um, but at the end of the day it will be difficult for the us to control that we see

them doing right now instead is of course just trying to bolster the relations with other partners in the region. obviously on japan and south korea most prominent way on, but in terms of direct pressure i'm, it is a bit limited in where their leverage is right now. so again, the called um the russians have supported sanctions on north korea in the pulse, particularly within the the you and the security council. is this now a complete change of position for russia or uh, it was not complete changing about a this is a patient that might have changed a little whatever that those hospital visit measured as his options. again, smell, stan doesn't fall. last friday. i already have nuclear weapon that attends, looked at the system and development and development. it's easy, it was a 2nd it uh, we understand that now any agreement was best and goes to a substitute defense was because uh uh,

with some confidence centers. all united states became as uh, oregon as 3 minutes, and then put us on this as a don't at a spec back. uh, and then uh, the size in, uh, some, uh, uh, for example, i was, uh, i go to agreement though was a good deal. and what was the result of this great deals and wasn't done just completely no, because it's for good news on the agreement that was due on your current menu and government reinstall agreement. and both of them are co ops because that uh, the bucket is united states. uh, keep it, but as soon as you uh, we violate that zillow was great. so what the agreement with this present constance, no worries, and i understand that more so long it will be more uh its into this one. but as i

will go, what happened was i made it to the gentleman. imagine email. uh, it's all the local do moms tools that made it to our government does not jar but not to uh, set those them get dogs. we're going to be more and was carpeted. no dental vision this niger, i got more perspective thoughts crash. those that come through isn't that was the results more. we were a little bit the on the only just a girl. i have no one year agreement with best and congress or more our it just a little bit of i'm so sorry, judy, i'm going to come to you in just a 2nd, but i want to put that point to young should only be again, listen 2nd, marco says there's literally nothing you guys can do. this is there's nothing i mean is there anything that you guys can do and i've it's, there's some sad title asking that question. i don't think there is that junction about that is why i emphasize the proportional response as

a t award. that we have to pay attention if we expect any type of response coming from side to create that. then in the united space, for an a closer security partnership and possible weapon tre is taking place between russia and north korea. the responsible bid proportional. if russia gives the best buy from technology and the best weapon is itself to know it's clear, then, like why is the response so it shouldn't be expected. ok. no country can force russia as also bring country to do something. it does not want use a truly russia's own choice as a solving country. likewise, the russia will be held responsible for the outcomes of its own action and decision as a permanent member of the security council of the united nation. which happened to vote in favor of passing,

although resolutions against north korea and other and major. so russia is a southern country, has all the freedom to make sort of dig choices. but response ability will not disappear. it's julie uh, in london. this is where we're at right now. this is where we're at with. busy a, a need for russia to get the type of weapons that north korea has in abundance. and that's effectively shows. that's the way that the ukraine war is being full right now. it doesn't have very many partners, it can get them because it shows, although a very tiny border with north korea, it does have a border with north korea. if you're in us politics right now, and you realize that your choices absolutely limited as president joe biden. what are you going to be thinks, what are your options going to be in terms of really getting out in front of this a make and turning into a thing where you're going to try and just sweep under the carpet? yeah, i don't think of something that can be swept under for the reasons that we've been

discussing. and what we've seen so far is a strategy that the us actually use in the early parts of the war as well, which was trying to get out ahead of a story and started about expos, uh, what might be happening before it actually happened. so us intelligence wanted to kind of broadcast the fact that this meeting with likely going to occur new forecasting, what some of the agreements might be. so that is part of the strategy, right there is just putting it out in the open your eyes. other just have said these are 2 sovereign states. the fact that the us can't change the decisions they're making is true. but the rise of china obviously respond to the new realities and the consequences that they're going to be. and again, there are international frameworks and norms to you to, to stop some of these kinds of arms transfers. again, with that said, i think that us right now is going to be doing their own bolstering of new brain. but similar types of arts that we're gonna have munition in terms of the war. and

the janet is going to be trying to expand their own security and the funds that brought us in the pacific through their partners in the region as well. i mean, judy that's very interesting, but the us has a habit of publicly saying there is a red line life famously a bomb. it said this about syria and series use of chemical weapons to re use chemical weapons. that red line seemed to have disappeared. extensive lead slightly further. no. so, i mean, yes, the us can supply ukraine with similar weapons, but it's likely that they'll need to make a strong statement and that strong statement is going to be some sort of red line we've seen in the past. do you think that will happen again? you know, i think, as you said after obama as comments during syria, i think just the one tries to avoid the red line terminology, so to speak. but we have heard comments from the washington already in the last 24 hours saying that there would be a price to pay if this are kind of arms do a went through again, were not true exactly what that would actually be um,

but this is the language that we hear from washington, i do think 0. it was a lot different. there were a lot of different kind of options that were on the table at the time that are the us is just a bit more constrained with these 2. as we've said these to this things are and actors who the us has very little relations with either right now for different reasons. and so need to rely on different kinds of avenues, but their, their direct leverage on is going to be difficult for this one. so good luck of all you worried that the us thing that might be a price to pay? does that even concern? i show a tool that i don't get to is that exact, to assess all the corrosion rush or worry about what are you my assistant to unite, to say, doing able to sing back for us or united states can do so. would you like to say is, you know, make the, made the state this ever want to that? do you great in the region, by the way,

adjust the economy spot is because it goes about political general rose, these governments even they call him and his father says that's my thing about money to go to our speech here with the last that i told the many older sense i many, yes, you know, i, you're not just killed in fact that, uh, we all sounds good about the 1000. uh, ukrainian, uh, soldiers as a reference by the way. it is united states right now. but i see that you single brass and language which is meant to blend judgeship was this 75 percent. that was a population of your grades reduced to because there's a lot of friends in fact and what was united as grades. it could do more. well, i think that's the general theme of this discussion, but i want to put a very quick point because we all are running out of time to young. should you understand your part of the national unification minister where you were about as far from that as ever before. but is that any leverage that south

korea has on north korea? is that back channels? is that anything that is going on right now? that might point to another way out of this. the situation is not really right for any meaningful communication between the 2 class or idea of the content and cultivation, a kind of a corporation. it appears that that came down resumed is bedding, everything on the result. the dog coming present election in the united states, which will be november and next year or, or king. it's a favorite print. us present the wrong is coming back. then all the science shows grads and then the post speak strategy in uh, military or the tourist, against no degree a might be quickly off the table. so until then those good will not have any interest in cultivating dialogue in negotiation with south korea or any other

countries in that matter. to me just a bit of unless you will question for you. um, we haven't really heard of a north korea russian daytime before, and 5, you know, right, know, 3, it was missing throughout russia's history is a bit of a kind of a client state and a, something that was just more convenient than perhaps the trade partner has this come as a surprise to the us establishment and you're right, this is the sort of turning of the table is uh, with russia fueling to north korea for the weapons and whatnot. and just just kind of relationship with something that's definitely a shift from the past. with that said again, the u. s. has been watching these movements closely, really for the last year when it was done, indicated that north korea might be given weapons at that time to the wagner group . so it's been on the radar for a while. um, but as you noted, it said your many in washington are trying to frame the sides. it shows on the, the need of rushed or right now to be looking at states like north korea,

looking at states like a ron, because their own weapons are depleting and because sanctions are working, i think that's a pretty optimistic spin on it. realistically they're seeing that the, there is a changing in some of the geo politics right now, the closeness of russia and north korea. and especially if i'm again, if china means into this for joining joseph or other kinds of cooperation. that's the kind of solid area. the us would not want to see a 2nd or cover just very quickly, but there is a practical element, hey, of having to get stuff from russia and to north korea is a very small red line and a 17 color to buddha. is it possible that you can get to that this deal done in, on a practical level, as one of the practical level of action most turner says no, come on board and it's can be, is a 3 can be there is

a may to cause it wouldn't be security because the almost fussing secret things that most of them will about um, is this, uh, is this due to be implemented without what the problem is? the problem is to make the deal because most kind of yeah, is a very unique country, which is up now. cuz know so many deals with a concert, most kind of pulling on the stage it and uh, almost no experience so far as it was getting some deals with most credit and government. so the zip. oh, is it possible it though? we don't know. yes. i want to think, oh, guess young check by a gentleman and surrogate marco and i want to thank you as well for watching. now, you can see the program any time a by visiting our website out, is there a dot com and for further discussion, go to a facebook page. that's facebook dot com,

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