the 10s of thousands of children were born into we'll live down to the ice old regime in iraq and syria. now many are in kemp. i the role funds are with the, with the mothers rejected by their own communities checking the last few things that people are going to welcome them after that. of course, not an emmy award winning documentary. here's that shooting and traumatic story. the children throw stones at me erects last generation all now just divided and embroiled in a civil war. libya is hit by devastating floods. thousands are dead and thousands of more missing out of the country. deal with this to that and how what the little survival res, effecting rescue operation. this is inside store the

hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much in room a state of emergency in eastern would be widespread floods of killed thousands of people and left thousands more unaccounted for. entire neighborhoods or underwater and trap families desperately need help. but libby, as political divisions appear to be getting in the way the countries to rival governments have their own resources and their own approach to this disaster. without a united response rescue operations have been inevitably delayed. so how will it be a managed this devastation and candace crisis be a catalyst for political unity, or will it fuel rivalry? will explore these issues with our guess in a moment. but 1st of this report by katya lopez or the over whelming for lots have swept through parts of eastern libya, swamping roads, destroying buildings, and taking thousands of lives. patients and medical staff were forced to evacuate several hospitals with flood waters tramping. many people said the

situation is horrible. it's extremely sad. the people suffering from the floods and we haven't been able to reach them. the hardest hit city is there are no home to about a 100000 people. there's devastation as far as the i can see. 2 of the cities, main sams collapse of merging much of the city and drowning residence. the see why they've done that. definitely. medina, 3 bridge is collapse completely causing. wanted to spread into neighborhoods. entire areas will move to the seat along with the residents, blocked roads and collapse. infrastructure have delayed rescue efforts and officials who visited the area so as lifeless bodies can be seen everywhere. libby, as political divisions are complicating rescue efforts. the country has to rival governments split between east and west. they are each supported by different armed groups and foreign governments. both sides are calling for aid and assistance. why

add to tell you how to cut out by all the official buddies, especially libya, central bank as it should provide urgent financial support. so those carrying out they work and i can go ahead with the reconstruction on the number of reported systems, both dead and missing vary depending on which government faction is that libya has to be there from scratch. because uh we, we had uh for the 2 years of had to get to somebody. he never kids about this infrastructure. and then now uh, also after, after that, if you're using this a bit, i was still fighting for a, for the power may make things worse. in a country already struggling with political instability in poverty. this disaster as another layer of english. and despite their differences, both governments agree, the death toll and eastern olivia will likely rise significantly. katia lopez again

for insights to all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guests in tripoli is the law. oh, but bush, political analyst and former senior advisor to both the negotiating team and the high council of states and the libyan government in the national court. in tune is honest with commodity founder and director of sonic institute, the 1st public policy, think tank and libya and also in tripoli is mikella survey. unicef representative for libya. a warm welcome to you on thanks so much for joining us today on inside story mckinley. let me start with you today. what have you and your colleagues learned about the scale of the devastation thus far and, and do we have any clearer picture when it comes to the magnitude of this disaster? yeah, so when we started getting reports in the morning, uh, yesterday it was uh, it didn't look like this can uh we have 20 to 50 beds and uh, a few displays. but then the report started coming from getting more data then from

there, not specifically. and there where the figures became really high. now we're talking about between 2005000. that's today. the latest is 5000. we talk about 223-0000 displays in that in a long dead. and as it, the town that hasn't been mostly affected, we're talking about, you know, several 100 displaced also in, in big gods in other areas. so the magnitude, this kind of gives us that is much, much higher than what was in, in the early hours of yesterday. and damage specifically hits has been hit apparently, to dams haven't been called a lot have collapsed. so that's, that's where the efforts are. now in being gather, the situation seems to be calmer, but the fact that is very, very large and mikaela if, if i could ask you specifically about what you and your colleagues have been able to do this. busy or whether it's in, during that or, or other cities or other areas inside libya has

a actually been able to reach any of those hardest hit areas as of yet or so we are working with our partner the prices to do a major assessment best at this phase now we send supplies from cheap police, so they are now reaching the big guys and then they wouldn't be dispatched. today we sent some medical supplies 410000 people, hygiene kids for over a 1000 people in some clothing, kids. but this is a drop in the ocean compared to, you know, the needs of the ground. so there would be also a un inside agency mission. of course, the teams of the crescent and some of the apartments that are on the ground. so we count on that most of the nation assessment, but there will be a un instead of just the assessments in the coming days. this situation is great because because of the numbers we've talked about, i mean the number of the states that are really high, the number of missing people are high. and so we expect or so high levels of family separation is high level of shouldn't have needs. you know, or what their system so they have you ever dictated. so this game is, is really

a tremendous mckinley. i just want to also ask you when you talk about the scale of this right now, i mean how much concern is there at this moment that the number of dead that the number of missing a, that the number of displays may rise exponentially, may rise. that much more in the days ahead. so the number of missing people, what this concern and because was quite high. yes. so the deal charges were talking about $10000.00 people so that they really concerning things is true that the electricity and the naturals were cut off. so it may be that many people were also stronger than remote places or in their houses and could not be reached. but it is also true that the number of i mean those 10000 missing was, was really high. so we expect them, fortunately this, these numbers to go off, of course, only to being on the ground and wouldn't make a defense. so we are really working with the target is to ease all the, you know, a to facilitate on the axes. and they've been really great allowing us to, to, to,

to, to respond to so for now it so, so the issue of, but, you know, libya was transitioning out so she might need perrier response. and so as you know, we don't have a lot of supplies and a lot of resources at this time be because, you know, i would respond to those more development oriented. so now we're focusing on getting those resources on the ground as soon as possible. so let me ask you, 1st of all, how will libya actually be able to deal with this disaster? and also, is we'd be actually prepared or equipped to deal with with the devastation of this magnitude, or no, absolutely not. libya is not prepared in any way for such a disaster. this property is unprecedented in the, in the recent libyan history and the circumstances of split governments and lack of infrastructure on that of the preparedness, the city of,

of done that just a 24 hours ago for the an emergency committee to deal with the disaster. and now we have any of these numbers, fantastic numbers coming out. uh and uh, i don't think there is anything on the ground to help the people over there now, and they all rely, are going their own to help themselves. and no government health has come. so far as alignment, let me also ask you about how much do you know so far about what conditions are currently like in, during, i mean has any international aid actually been able to make it there as far as what you've heard, as i didn't to hear from relatives, that's all and don't know and friends. uh, anything about uh, a company then people are concerned uh like your previous guess, suggested about the number of uh,

missing uh the phones don't answer and the day the total is rising. uh. busy every hour or so. uh and people can do anything about what they see. the disaster is uh is, is just tremendous. and no one is the, is help. and the, the, the, the, the government, the government told them to, uh, set them for a few. and people had to stay in that houses instead of giving them the instructions on how to evacuate before the disaster hit. so this is the magnitude of, of government complacency and government failure to deliver on basic needs of people of safety. as you heard slide there a moment ago, talking about the fact that libya has to rival governments. i want to ask you how much more does that complicate the picture? how much more does that complicate rescue efforts? does that complicate a delivery efforts?

it certainly does. it complicates all those things that you mentioned, but i would like to add 1st and foremost that this is not just an act of god as much as mother nature be even improved as many, much like the paints that meets your ologist, gave us days a lot i had a ahead of time from greece without storm killed 6 people. so we had days an hours ahead of this to be able to prepare because there are responsibilities that go across those 2 level governments. but as the local councils. so local authorities that are responsible for that, and it's going to be a national army for they will have to resign forces that were responsible for what unraveled in days they had. unlike those in morocco, the way the tectonic plates moved and they had seconds to the bat for it. they had the day, some hours as the dams began to swell and slow up very slowly. they had those and arrows to do with that plan and evacuation. it didn't raise dealer and by the deal opposite, and they told people to stay indoors. so this isn't just the evil of a but mother nature, this is the evil that men, it's the,

it's the incompetence of the complacency that amendment haven't much themselves for the last decade. waging war on doesn't that wish they did in 2018 when they left? the court of amnesty quotes are dead injured or in j o. this place until the end of the quarter of the city is on the water. and so the stench of the bodies, the is region around that is not my the night just for it's mindful as these 2 individual is these 2 level functions. it goes into them as well because they call coordinates the items that they have to with the, despite the conflict. and that competition is what the corporate and collaborating about making libya's h interim government in less than a decade and does come to elections. because the elections are important, know, national level, the local level. elections are plan that looked at elections of a several weeks ago. and they were blocked by the national army because it didn't want anybody but military room has been a, truthfully, has been incompetence. a fact old man was mustaches that had been the donuts, was living, is afflicting across the streets of eastern lydia. the reason why the comp couple of the night now with international relief organizations and using libby as well as

these vibrant simple slides. each is because there is less civil side just because and done that because most of them were in jail on my side of what displays sign is like, well them, it was said to honest, let me also ask you were talking specifically about durn and i want to ask you even before the storm, what was the infrastructure like there? i mean how, how prepared or prepared was a place like during that for a storm of this nature. the number one, the time that was speaking about was built in 1977 by yugoslav, engineers, you just love your small country anymore. hasn't been maintained down to the full method that you're using a site and it hasn't been maintained on the national army because it's a global initiative, have been scrapping libya's public infrastructure, the infrastructure that is supposed to make sure that water goes under the city, you know, over the city, they've been scratching in the scrap metal. they have exposure to the tune of a $1000000000.00 every year since 2018. that is the, that's the, that's the relation to it shipped, to the individuals,

the governing that. so you have actually part of that, that's a and made sure that when the event did take place it not any, took the cindy, whether it took the lives of a quotes or potentially of that state because a quarter of it is under underwater today. and it also comes into the un, into the lens and coordination as well. the human humanitarian coordinator georgette. got you on last. we came on the storm on twitter for having books, human rights activists from the east of the west of libya. so that also to blame, it also comes to the west. they've been given culture and given red carpet treatment of individuals for decades un leadership today like potentially has been shaking hands with individuals like people have to, i'm like, those are responsible for this that divided by them either 5 or 5 inches in the par supply. that'd be benefiting from hundreds of millions of funding from the tripoli . government was the hundreds of millions, but i understand why they're shaking hands with what criminals, blood, psych criminal's law. actually. procter and trying to reach package them and recycle them for elections that will never happen. often about that kind of look at

elections could have saved lives less this not forget about minor point. this is not a luxury or some assess a because today ligans could have chosen the leadership that would have taken accurate, responsible, and responsive actions. and instead, well, that'd be left alone to the flights and the sweets i've done a lot from, from your point of view. is there any chance that this particular crisis could be a catalyst for any type of political unity going forward, or is it only going to fuel this rivalry, this division even further of the, the, i hope something good that comes out of this a disaster. i mean we see uh we see uh private uh, cars and trucks carrying gaps and all sorts of uh, materials to help the effected uh and this uh uh, it's a popular. busy move, but that's uh, creating this hopefully this will uh,

solidify the feeling among the libyans that they were brought up. they are brothers and sisters and the inter and the times of troubles they will come together. however, i doubt that the at competing political on military and powers and libya with the window any lessons from this except that they have to hand gold to power for as long as they can. and. busy we wish we see the display of this when have to call the meeting and shares a meeting. the meaning of the government officials was a that i was suppose to be responsible for providing aid. and the prime minister is sitting there like a student in the principal's office, listening to a faith general, giving orders and instructions,

and parked in his wisdom as to how to deal with disasters and how to prevent disasters. that's the way they dealt with this problem. this is the, that's the way they deal with it before that happen. and now they're continuing that. so i don't see any positive thing politically coming out of this. but maybe it will help libyans understand that they need to move a, get us the political class that has presided over the country for the last 11 years . mikella, if i could just ask you, it's been pretty widely reported in the past. the humanitarian aid groups in libya have really been chronically under funded for a long time. and, and i just want to ask you from your perspective how, how does that hamper a response that is needed at a time like this? i mean, what kind of impact does that have on a response? it's such a time of crisis. you know, as i was just saying, we were shifting out a few of whom, i mean 10 in just keeping, you know,

some preparedness in some responses to, you know, a lower level of complex. right. so a lot of emergency funding is no longer there. the class was, you know, phase, you know, and so on that strong, it's true with that. we don't have the same resources that, you know, human would have or so down at this point in time um, at the same time is also true. with that, we need to get out of the politics now and think about the responding because there are a lot of people in need of help in the affected area. so we have access, we need to get there. we need to, yes, to see this society is not mean that are not planning your a non governmental organizations on the ground, but it's also true that there are means and the government has also quite resources compared to what the governments to, to respond. so we are here as you and to we and it will help. and as soon as, if we're thinking about being with the media, like save the needs of children and talking about, you know, show that a safe drinking water, medical supplies finally be facing all of that needs to happen in the end,

the days to come in quite fast, so yes, we have people for the donors to provide the resources because it's a, this kate is beyond the current capacity that we have the current, you know, supplies even that we have. um, we will do a flash of beauty, most likely is united nations. but of course we also count on internet resources to do to support as well. let me also ask you about the fact that, you know, age groups are saying that tens of thousands of people may be displaced. at this point you were talking about the magnitude of the potential displacement crisis going forward just a little bit earlier. there's a fear that they wouldn't have any prospect of being able to return home. i mean, what are the major concerns right now when it comes to those that had been displaced, reaching them, getting them to kind of aid medical help food that they might need. so in terms of immediate life saving, as i said, it's about what resources are removed now and what supplies can be moved in as, as fast as possible. so as you, when we are part used to do that in terms of reconstruction,

that's another story that would mean, you know, more longer time resources for sure. there was a construction fund or so for that and then got it. so we'd count on that to the, you know, little patient and then apply because as i mentioned that would it be not on his course to be able to be able to boast of what their systems also have specific because we know that several hospitals in phoenix are totally discharged. so i'm very close doctor that comes later requires resources that are beyond the cutting scale requires, you know, even development bank. so i know that there have been discussion on is that including those financial institutions that can look at this, maybe internal displacement. um, you know, in the last year they didn't use quite a lot of internal displayed people, the number went down and so it was almost, you know, you know, house of what it was a couple of years ago. but at the same time, this is, you know,

another big challenge in terms of, uh it goes to auction, you're right. especially if i'm gonna show that and, and housing point of view, but also for all essential services. so yes, we need financial institutions to, to come in uh for those longer time resource. and let me ask you from your perspective, is there any group? is there anybody either from within libya or, or from outside that would be able to effectively handle over seeing an aid effort right now to short answer. but neither cuz their release or failures that happened ahead of there's enough that we have to focus on because of the same structure and systematic failures. i going to hamper i'm going to cripple any attempt to be able to coordinate. what requires search and rescue efforts that will require water and sanitation, the request i cannot trick will support that will require the very least international experts that will help in these critical areas. now,

to try to find those that may still be alive. but as the arrows go down, the chances are then so far that you're going to be by very little there is going to be displaced from this also need shelter. and so it need something of epic proportions because what just happened was a biblical proportions. the corner of the city is under water. i mean it's, it's something that we'd like to see and know most of these guys know most things have built to withstand these kind of things when they have infrastructure. there isn't that and for such as vehicles and it's, it's the collapse of one of the other. so it is around it is the water that came from southern cities that was piling on for days. those cities are still affected. the 8 convoys moving across the country. no one does have the power on the back. they're going to be that happens by the rain for hours and have to buy the rights for hours. there's one road that lives in the how much is the only way the lives and imagine the only one that lives in was the only road built by smugglers. because the soldiers are the ones that have that right boat. the civilians don't. it's this kind of systematic legal failures that we have to stop focusing on that because of a thing that will cripple that the international community contract gets responsibility

. it spends money on trying to keep libyans and monuments been libya using such and rescue efforts to push them back onto the show of funding, essentially centers nivia. but it is not and is absolutely not available. now. where are the european union efforts, whereas the west and efforts, the next time that we say your opinion official going to shake one of his hands. remember that shaking hands with blood on them. so they have blood on their hands as well. so there's a, there's a reason this is more about making, it looks cool. it's about shifting the responsibility from those incompetent officials, those that have lived in the hands of those that allowing these, once we grapes that we see now and done, that's a perpetuate. there's still thousands more that are going to suffer. is it still acting now? is the urgency of the matter that needs to be fixed? and if i still try, what would it need kind of broken structures. it's not going to work. international efforts should be cool that i by international, and they shouldn't coordinate with those local authorities because they're incompetent that it's trying to work with individuals. the other. we have the numbers that people are showing that across social media, there are groups and that like done the zoom, for example on facebook that is coordinating the list of those bed and they're

watching them on schoolbooks. that tells you about the level of coordination of these level functions and inside the royal functions themselves, by putting up press statements or putting up videos of himself coming up, roads with brooks. i'm putting it to ministry, pride music that tells you what the product is of these, these kind of rival infections does include him when he gets a national responsive to try and look them in greece, which has already been a deal with this. i have a great relationship with the government, listen to it, whereas the greek support. whereas the, your opinion and support. why is the money on the, the, when they're trying to help people from the doctor and the agency or from adult in the mediterranean c, y to know that we're looking to see them the most. so i want to talk more about the rivalry is going on inside of libya, the country has 2 governments, they each have their own resources, they each would have their own approach. one would assume to how to respond to this disaster. is there any clear sense at this stage as to who exactly might lead the response? who would be in charge of trying to deliver 8 qual,

uh, look, i mean, libya is unique as its conflict is unique in a very particular way. is that the center of bank of libya and typically is bank calling both governments. the 2 warring factions being bankrolled by the central bank of olivia and tripoli. that's how i have thought his pay and his soldiers, and that's our babies, said his soldiers. now the question is that uh, nobody wants to give any credits to the other or give them a chance to get credit at this might get in the way of helping people that aren't affected and delay at any help. the so. so this, the split government is a fact at the bank, but government day at the dimensions of the colonized government was denied entry

into the so maybe a few weeks after to get it's got a vote of confidence by a 132 votes. and 2 extensions have to refuse to look at the government and through the east as a no uh, i guess may be under pressure that he may allow a go is of help from civilian from uh nonprofit organizations and so on. to enter the e send go to the internet. but the problem now is the like, uh, at a suggestive is there a search and rescue operation which libya has no expertise in never exercise it, but on a smaller scale. mm hm. this is a huge problem. now, so now what mediates a worry so, so we don't, we don't know who's going to help with that. so i'm sorry to interrupt you. we just

have a minute left. i see that on us is raising his hand and wants to get a pointed honest, please be brief. be mindful the fact we just have one minute left. please go ahead . if we want to try and get money out of the central bank today, and livia, which has billions and billions of dollars that have been accumulated from the, the as mass of all wealth. and the 1st thing that we need is a parliamentary low to be able to give us some kind of emergency funds. the parliament himself have been agreeing to disagree and failing to make any kind of laws that will respond reply and respond to this kind of a disaster. i've been looking at lectures for the last 10 years. they need to be able to pass along so that we can have an emergency budget to deal with this, the money that they take out of that budget. so be given to international uh, agencies like the i the like the like the stuff. and they should be trying to bankroll this, so again, libya should be bank, should not be leaving the efforts international stipulating the efforts libby is upsetting themselves to being competent enough and bringing this cause also to like, all right, so i'm going to have to stop you there we have run out of time,

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