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hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much in june, around the world. it seems. natural disasters have become a frequent part of life, from floods to droughts and fires is now quite common to hear about extreme weather destroying infrastructure and most importantly, peoples lives. the united nation says more natural disasters are coming due to climate change. so is there a need to establish an international agency that specifically deals with such events? and would that help level the playing field when disaster strikes in developing nations? we'll explore this with our guests in a moment, but 1st this report by katya lopez. what are you? i'm as natural disasters are becoming more frequent and there were facts more devastating in the us. 23 natural disasters have taken place that this year alone. that's a new record with each causing more than a $1000000000.00 in damages. i think the shift we saw was when disastrous change from being an acute a back to a chronic event. and we saw that shift and you can look just in the last 10 years,

you can see that change happening. where does after risk is now became a chronic issue around the world's both rich and developing nations are facing the same challenge. while some wealthy countries readily offer a to others, it often comes with conditions, most notably to provide political support abroad. international agencies like the red cross and un branches often respond to natural disasters, but there frequently stretched then dealing with disaster after disaster shortages of staff and supplies it seems or an ongoing problem. on the higher it's a lot of, we are still looking for victims. we call an old young people here in libya. anyone who has a degree or any medical affiliation to please help. we have a shortage of nurses. we need help one, a. several natural disasters have happened recently. there was the floods an eastern olivia for thousands have been killed following the heaviest rainfall in

a single day in the past 40 years. and there's also the widespread wildfires in greece. and the reason 6.8 earthquake and morocco cause many lives with communities force to start over, all struck within months. then there's the emotional and psychological tools that cannot be measured. so far, we don't know where we're going to go. what we're going to do, where are we going to live? the winter's coming? that means rain and cold weather. we have young children to castle and we have nothing. the united nation says extreme weather events due to climate change will become more common and more extensive around the globe. some analysts are advocating for an international agency, their response specifically to natural disasters wherever they may strike. the question is, can governments manage a strategic response and perhaps most importantly can they afford to do so.

katia, low piece of lilyanne for insights. story the alright, let's go ahead and bring in our guests in london is zayed. nobody managing partner at hard castle advisory, a geo political consultancy, and it's all about his miller for a free because the disaster management specialist and public policy advisor and the like a swagger oregon is andrew phelps, the vice president of planning and risk reduction with ac disaster consulting a warm welcome to you all, and thank you all so much for joining us today on inside story. look for it. let me start with you today with this unprecedented rise that we're seeing in natural disasters around the globe. can countries alone actually deal with the consequences or from your perspective, should a global agency that specifically deals with trying to react to these emergencies be set up to the answer is uh,

a little complicated because uh it's we of course need a global forum to facilitate a global crisis, a common crisis, a common practice humanity, which the united nations does have. in fact, i mean the, her, the have been a facilitating a global conference and bringing together over a 194 countries. if i'm correct, the you, when f c. c, would you do night? did nations framework for the convention on climate change? and as a result of that, they've had many meetings, global self meetings to deal with it. cop, you know, many people are aware of the c o p, the, you know, the committee of parties come together and then a supposedly come to a consensus on what the ward and what should particular countries

achieve for this common goal of this, it exist enterprises real crisis that we have, the problem is that a single radical level of the is in agreement. but on a practical level, the individual nations have to commit to certain changes reforms which then their domestic politics or do politics. then comes into a factor with those commitments. then fall out of line. so for example, who is to bear the burden of it to financially buttons of it? 12 percent of the global population is responsible for 50 percent, if not, 80 percent of the emissions which has created this crisis. the climate change crisis as a result of altering the weather patterns and melting the glaciers and creating,

you know, um have uh, which have direct impact on like, uh, nights from or weeks to a flooding, etc. so one level, the responsibility is all of our. busy hours, but then uh, the aggressions or those who are actually contributing towards it are only primarily 12 percent. hm. so we'll be taking the charge for the burden for reform. and then on the other hand, we are individual nations. so what are we doing to mitigate at a national exam? so this is a very complex kind of a question. where should we, you know, uh, dr. this globally, we are attempting to, but we have see it as a let me ask you, i'm in the aftermath of of these natural disasters. we often do see that the

politics does play a role. um, let me talk to you specifically about morocco, the devastating earthquake that's taking place in the past few days a. there's this rift that's been going on between morocco and france and, and one of the, one of the things that happened as a result of that is, is that morocco has not accepted offers of help from france. so if an agency were to be set up at some point in the future, that would try to deal with a global emergencies, natural disasters, what politics still be as problem magic as they are today? i guess what i'm trying to say is what an agency of this nature me to have autonomy and authority to be able to step in and help a country automatically rather than have to see gets permission and perhaps have that permission not be granted to thank you mohammed and very briefly i'll just extend my condolences to those be lost in libya and then more okay. i think you'll

spot on there will be issues with regards to the autonomy of such an entity with regards to friends and its role in this. and in this saga, and it's extraordinary how francis chose the movement of national crisis to, to play geo politics. and unfortunately, it's only mr. mccall who has himself to blame for the law in relations. morocco was the 1st country he visited as president. and sadly, because of his other policies, he's now damaged, quite serious and relationships that he had in that part of the world with regards to morocco and his response. i think the response has been telling of a country that's really changed. yeah. and he's able to, in a more multi polar fashion, manage its international relationships because of the conditions upon age and various other reasons that that has been mentioned. i think with regards to a who denies ation going forward. that would look off to natural disasters. this is very much something that we should bear in mind, and i think i would like to add if you, if you let me as long as ation of such internationally as

a priority. but the are in the are well that's a must, the are weld is 1st and foremost, facing the effects of climate change. the outer world has cheated twice in the last 4 decades compared to the rest of the world in the last 2 centuries. and the effects of climate change will cause instability in the are well way before you know, you find employment and pull governance will certainly are well, this is a priority and how the politics of that will be managed will definitely be interesting in the american example is definitely and a step in the right direction. andrew, from your vantage point, is there a need to establish the kind of agency that we are talking about today? an international agency and umbrella group of sorts that would actually deal with natural disasters going forward i think is a tremendously valuable concepts. an idea. we know that the un has done work in

this, in this area, trying to bring in national aid, mandatory assistance and relief to countries that have been impacted by disaster. disaster response, as you've heard from the other panelists is incredibly complex. time is of the essence and the 1st hours or days after a disaster is really the most important time to get that a, where it's most needed rescue teams, medical teams, getting folks evacuated into a more stable shelter so they can be cared for or receive medical attention, we struggle with this in the united states. sometimes we cannot remember the 2017 hurricane season and the challenges with our national response to puerto rico. uh, it is an incredibly complex operations to, to move resources where they are needed when they're needed to do that. the global scale is even more complex than just an individual country responding to disaster within their own borders. yeah, to this, the geo political concerns, the fact that oftentimes in many countries, disaster response and release as

a role of the military that further complicates existing relationships. so whatever authority could be established would certainly need a level of autonomy support, financial support, and by and from participating nations to ensure those political barriers, the politics of the day and doesn't influence our needs to get a to, to where it's needed the most. yeah, andrew, let me just follow up with you because you mentioned the complexities of, of setting up such a body. you talked about the geo politics. you talked about by and i mean, let me ask you, i mean, from your vantage point is a setting something like this up right now in the current geopolitical climate. what's going on around the world? tensions rising as well? is it actually possible? what would it take to actually get this off the ground? as an emergency manager, i'm going to turn all optimist. and i think that it's inherent in the human spirit to want to help our neighbors where those are next door, neighbors and neighbors. halfway around the world, we do see the efforts to, to respond to me and training crisis is to disasters from hundreds of countries in

their time of need. but there's a lack of coordination. there's a lack of, of consistency and how this a and these responses are coordinated. it, we need a system, a mechanism to ensure that regardless of where a country is when it's impacted, that there's a consistent level of aid that they will be provided to the folks that need and that are suffering the most. and they look for it. will it look to me like you wanted to jump in? so i'm going to give you that opportunity. but i also want to ask you as well, if an agency liked this work created, what did actually help level the playing field when, when desire disasters would strike in developing countries and poor nations. ok, i just to answer the 1st question. got uh, $2627.00 already established that very uh, platform, so uh, boxed on lead and chair that in, in egypt. and it resulted in

a loss and damage fund. so the modalities of that a, a will of course, a big, but it was acknowledged by all those who have signed up for a climate change. the climate change, the agenda that a, the is a requirement for a financial, a response to those most one megabyte. so in pop $26.00, in fact, it was one of the 4 outcomes that the will be a mobilization of funds managed independently. i imagine the united nations would be, you know, with the platform representing the globe. and accordingly, those that well, most affected by climate change would be able to access that finance. so this is a be onto the question that should we or can we be funded has already been raised.

it has actually already been discussed with the last 5 years. i mean, into global conferences. now it's a matter of, you know, those who are responsible for the climate damage to ad financing and then how should countries most effective? now, one of our panelists spoke of the impact of africa as disproportionate. you know, to the fox of the world, if we look at the german, uh, there's a gentleman study by a climate change index of which countries were most effective focused on his number 8. you know, most of us will be and is most affected by the varieties of, in fact, of climate change. and just in the 15 years that i haven't done too focused on, i have seen a quick sweep. blue shirt mask. we've had a lot of things, you know, we've had multiple natural disasters, you know,

we see it and it on is where it is. you know, uh next door smarter please dime. so we as sitting in an area here where the natural disasters as a result of climate change is much larger than the potential mitigation measures that the national con, you know, the national governments are able to, you know, so who is responsible? i think we are quite clear on that in terms of who has contributed towards the climate change. uh the speed um now how are we supposed to mitigate that? and the, i'm sorry, the, i'm sorry to interrupt you, let, let me get back to you on that point shortly because i sees a and he's been reacting to what you're saying. and it also looks like he wants to jump in and add to what you've been saying as a, please, go ahead. what i like, what if i would say, and i will add, you know, that these countries are really on the cost of it. however,

i would add that the balance of power in the world is shifting. that is a fact. we saw that recently with the invitation of developing countries to the g. 20 with the recent break summit to south africa. and i don't think attributing blame is helpful rather than developing wild for one to, but that's a phrase, you know, imagine markets, whatever you want to call them moving in the world. and i think and mark is response. we've seen that from within a pool. that's an african wisdom country would not accept its 8. why? because france had missed the fact that america has moved more. i'll go ahead. marco dealt with the pandemic incredibly well. it was the 4th, a lot full of quickest country in the world to vaccinate. you know, people don't realize on friday nights the roads is not a casual being tom act trees will being planted because more cuz expecting to host the iron less than the world bank. the 1st time that these meetings are happening outside washington as these 1976. ladies and gentlemen,

just need an exclusive moral code still intends to host 19000 of the world's grades and good in 3 weeks time in mount a cash offer. it may to us quick because it is a developing country on the move. so i think as the balance of power, the world shifts, rather than after getting blaine to the develop. 12, developing countries need to work together and to have disaster response to reflective of the growing position in the well as much as how the americans have not let themselves be portrayed as a developing country to a drive that they are moving forward. i'm not going to host the world remarkably in 3 weeks time. this is very moving, ends a let me just add, obviously, even if for rocco does intend to continue to host that and, and does, it does not mean that will not be complications due to the aftermath of the earthquake. we should obviously make that clear. you look for i see that you want to jump in. i will let you in just a minute. but i need to is andrew question. andrew, international agencies like different branches of the wind or the red cross with

a w, f, p, a. they're offering on the front lines when it comes to responding to a natural disaster. but right now we're at a time where we're seeing so many natural disasters back to back. it seems that these agencies are really constantly stretched then. isn't that right? it is, it's true around the glow we've, we've done in the past disaster response and recovery and have reached the stage of a disaster in durance. it's one thing after another, and you know, for the last 3 or 4 years, almost we've, we've done every disaster under the cloud of the cold pen demik as well. further complicating disaster responses. but my colleagues raised very valid points about responsibility and, and the need to take the level of responsibility across the world for the impacts of climate change. but we also have to look at how we build and where we build across the world. disasters are not natural, they're directly attributed to how we build and where we build further, exacerbated by or changing climate. those that are most significantly impacted by

disasters are often the ones who can least afford it. and it's true here in the united states, and i think it's quite true or around the world. so to be able to leverage the global will and resources when it's needed most, whether through non profit organizations, voluntary organizations is absolutely critical. but to coordinate this issue of a global disaster response, it could be a game changer in those under developed countries and those developing countries that need a little extra assistance. but what we see in rock and what we see around the globe is inherent resilience. in a lot of communities, we see inability to reduce risk after disasters. a great example of bangladesh in the seventy's, they had a psych loan that killed off a 1000000 people. they made significant changes to communications and shopping infrastructure 20 years later, and other sites on and 1991. still devastating, killed 840000 people. but we see progress there. fast forward to 1997 and other

sites loan killed a 1000 people. so we see incremental changes based on what we experience from a disaster. but we don't take these lessons and turn them into a policy. so globally, until policy makers open their yours open their eyes and quite frankly, open their, their checkbooks to define and disaster risk reduction initiatives. make communities more resilient and ensure we're not building in a way and in places that put our most vulnerable for the risk. we're going to continue to be in this disaster cycle and, and, and never escape it. never for i saw you're reacting to what andrew was saying. i also saw you reacting to what zayed was saying. i know you want to jump in, please go ahead. i cannot agree more with both of them. the conversation earlier was at a macro, but at a micro level national level, i cannot agree with you more. and i have argued in every focused on the form that what is focused on doing to build resilience within it. says where are the budget

lines for disaster risk reduction? since 2005, what lessons have we not so that the repeated slots, the known floods when they come with the impact, the porters of the poor, have we diverted money for a, a building that uh what, because uh, building. uh, you know, since 2005 uh we, we lost 86000 people. we needed to reset 2 people away from the river river readings where the uh, flag, uh, the flag pots. so we haven't done it in 23 years. we may have seen the impacts of that happen over and over again. do we have a population which is above the poverty, 9, etc, etc. all the various points that you raised when you get examples of bundle,

dish and morocco, i mean, you know, like, uh, it, it actually breaks my heart. i mean, you know, but yeah, they should 1.4 is, you know, what used focused on and they have uh, you know, incredibly, move forward, you know, in terms of building resilience within their population focused on has not. and so when we have this conversation on, the responsibility means that 2 levels you see when you're talking about a global level, that is what i was talking about, you know, look at, you know, who is responsible. and then they put, you know, a day percentage of how much money they need to put in or resources for at a macro level. but at e in act and national level, it is, inc. extremely, an equally important that what are their governments do a thing to mitigate and build resilience and focused on me know when you are making those commit months outside of the rhetoric to zeta. i want to ask you more

specifically about the resilience of the american people right now, and especially when it comes to the efforts of the moroccan diaspora communities around the world. i know that you've been involved when it comes to trying to organize the fund drives and get a to victims of the earthquake. first, i want to ask you, do you feel that enough is being done by the international community? i also want to ask you about the fact that obviously it's very difficult to coordinate efforts when it comes to getting a to affected areas a natural disaster. um, would you feel more comfortable if you knew that there was a sort of umbrella agency that was actually in charge of making sure that everything was coordinated and all the aid was getting through in one particular way? is that something that would make you more comfortable? monitoring your questions into the festival with regards to resilience,

you will be aware that's in 1960 a 5.8 magnitude a quite good idea. just uh, south east, the south west of martin cache, which killed 15000 people. how much was the quake this weekend unfortunately, took the lives of 2000 because the country has moved forward much like bangladesh, with respect to flooding in terms of the way that these disasters are managed. i think um, of course, it would be better to have an old ton of his body that's he's dealing with these. i know for a fact that the american response will be to have that road into an old state of the art facilities to do this. because that's the new messaging, amber okamuro could wants to do this on it, so, and do it going forward with regards to the national solidarity, i would 1st like to give kudos to jesse or full raising this issue and raising how these, these offices are being managed in the, in the global south, because the media, this course has been so terribly negative v morocco dealing with this as

an independent solver in a functional developing country. that's almost the story of the overwhelming national solidarity has been around. it will come through and very in individual weeks and months, but it's, it's up to scale which is completely hot holding. and i would like to salute you for the full, you know, raising attention to that. and it's almost very telling that, you know, in countries by fronts, it's such a hard prospect for an african country to, to be successfully dealing with this on it. so that's, it just shows you how well the global discourse on this issue needs to move on, especially as miller file has the has said, that is the developing world, which will be suffering from this the most. all right, well we have run out of time. so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guests is a budget. you look for a free this kazi and andrew phelps, and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out 0. com. and for the discussion,

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