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hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much in june, around the world. it seems natural disasters that become a frequent part of life from floods to droughts and fires is now quite common to hear about extreme weather, just drawing infrastructure and most importantly people's lives. the united nation says more natural disasters are coming due to climate change. so is there a need to establish an international agency that specifically deals with such events? and would that help level the playing field when disaster strikes in developing nations? we'll explore this with our guests in a moment, but 1st this report by katya lopez. what am, as natural disasters are becoming more frequent and their effects more devastating in the us 23 natural disasters have taken place that this year alone. that's a new record with each causing more than

a $1000000000.00 in damages. i think the 5th we saw was when disastrous change from being an acute a back to a chronic event. and we saw that shift and you can look just in the last 10 years, you can see that change happening where disaster risk is now became a chronic issue around the world's both rich and developing nations are facing the same challenge. while some wealthy countries readily offer a to others, it often comes with conditions, most notably to provide political support abroad. international agencies like the red cross and un branches often respond to natural disasters. but they're frequently stretched, been dealing with disaster after disaster shortages of staff and supplies. it seems or an ongoing problem. but on the higher, it's a lot of, we are still looking for victims. we call an old young people here in libya. anyone who has a degree or any medical affiliation to please help. we have

a shortage of nurses. we need help. a several natural disasters have happened recently. there was the floods an eastern libya for thousands have been killed following the heaviest rainfall in a single day. in the past 40 years and there's also the widespread wildfires in greece. and the reason 6.8 earthquake and morocco cause many lives with communities force to start over. all struck within months. then there's the emotional and psychological tools that cannot be measured for so far we don't know where we're going to go. what we're going to do, where we're going to live, the winter's coming. that means rain and cold weather. we have young children to castle and we have nothing. the united nation says extreme weather events due to climate change will become more common and more extensive around the globe. some analysts are advocating for an international agency, their response specifically to natural disasters,

wherever they may strike the question is, can governments manage a strategic response? and perhaps most importantly, can they afford to do so? caught see a little bit of lilian for insights. story, the alright, let's go ahead and bring in our guests in london is zayed. nobody managing partner at heart castle advisory, a geo political consultancy. and it's all about his miller for a free because the disaster management specialist and public policy advisor and the like a squiggle, oregon is andrew phelps, the vice president of planning and risk reduction with ac disaster consulting, a warm welcome to you all. and thank you all so much for joining us today on inside story and look for it. let me start with you today with this unprecedented rise that we're seeing in natural disasters around the globe. can countries alone actually deal with the consequences or from your perspective?

should a global agency that specifically deals with trying to react to these emergencies be set up the onto is a little complicated because it's that we of course need a global forum to facilitate a global crisis, a common crisis, a common practice humanity, which the united nations does have in fact, i mean, the higher the have been a facilitating a global conference and bringing together over a $194.00 countries. if i'm correct, the un fcc, which is, you know, i did, nations framework for the convention on climate change. and as a result of that, they've had many meetings, global stopped meetings to be with it, cause, you know, many people are aware of the c o p, the, you know,

the committee of parties come together and then a supposedly come to a consensus on what the ward, and what should particular countries achieve for this common goal of this it exist enterprises. real crisis that we have. the problem is that um, at a single radical level of the is in agreement. but on a practical level, the individual nations have to commit to certain changes reforms which then their domestic politics or do politics, then comes into a factor with those commitments, then fall out of line. so for example, who is to bear the burden of it to financially buttons? no big 12 percent of the global population is responsible for 50 percent, if not 80 percent of the emissions which has created this crisis. the climate

change crisis as a result of altering the weather patterns and measuring the glaciers and could eating, you know, um have a uh, which have direct impact on like nights from or weeks to a flooding, etc. so one level, the responsibility is all of our. busy hours, but then uh, the aggressions or those who are actually contributing towards it are only primarily 12 percent. so we'll be taking the charge for the burden for reform. and then on the other hand, we are individual nations. so what are we doing to mitigate at a national, remember? so this is a very complex kind of a question where, um should we,

you know, uh, dr. this globally, we are attempting to what we have saved as a let me ask you, i'm in the aftermath of of these natural disasters. we often do see that the politics does play a role. um you let me talk to you specifically about morocco, the devastating earthquake that's taking place in the past few days a there's this rift that's been going on between morocco and france and, and one of the, one of the things that happened as a result of that is, is that morocco has not accepted offers of help from france. so if an agency were to be set up at some point in the future, that would try to deal with a global emergencies, natural disasters. one politics still be as problem magic as they are today. i guess what i'm trying to say is what an agency of this nature me to have autonomy and authority to be able to step in and help a country automatically rather than have to seek its permission and perhaps have

that permission not be granted to thank you mohammed and very briefly i'll just extend my condolences to those be lost in libya and then more okay. i think you'll spots on and there will be issues with regards to the autonomy of such an entity with regards to friends and its role in this. and in the saga, and it's extraordinary health problems has chosen a movement of national crisis to, to play geo politics. and unfortunately, it's only mr. mccall who has himself to blame for the law in relations. morocco was the 1st country he visited his president. and sadly, because of his other policies, he's now damaged, quite serious in relationships that he had in that thoughts of the world with regards to morocco and his response. i think the responses being telling of a country that's really changed. yeah. and he's able to get a more multi polar fashion, manage its international relationships because of the conditions upon aids and various other reasons that to that's, have been mentioned, i think with regards to a who denies ation going forward. that would look off to natural disasters. this is

very much something that we should bear in mind, and i think i would like to add if you, if you let me a little bit as ation of such internationally as a priority. but the are in the are well that's a must, the are well is 1st and foremost facing of the effects of climate change. the outer world has cheated twice in the last 4 decades compared to the rest of the world in the last 2 centuries. and the effects of climate change will cause instability in the are well way before you know, you find employment and full governance will certainly are. well, this is a, a priority and how the politics of that will be managed will definitely be interesting in the moroccan example is definitely and a step in the right direction. andrew, from your vantage point, is there a need to establish the kind of agency that we are talking about today? an international agency and umbrella group of sorts that would actually deal with

natural disasters going forward. i think it's a tremendously valuable concepts. an idea we know that the un has done work in this, in this area, trying to bring and national 80 military assistance and relief to countries that have been impacted by disaster. disaster response, as you've heard from the other panelists is incredibly complex. time is of the essence and the 1st hours or days after a disaster is really the most important time to get that a, where it's most needed rescue teams, medical teams, getting folks evacuated into a more stable shelter so they can be cared for or receive medical attention, we struggle with this in the united states. sometimes we cannot remember the 2017 hurricane season and the challenges with our national response to puerto rico. uh, it is an incredibly complex operations to, to move resources where they are needed when they're needed to do that. the global scale is even more complex than just an individual country responding to disaster

within their own borders. yeah, to this, the geo political concerns, the fact that oftentimes in many countries, disaster response and relief is a role of the military that further complicates the existing relationships. so whatever authority can be established with certainly the level of autonomy support, financial support and by and from participating nations to ensure that those political barriers, the politics of the day and doesn't influence our needs to get aid to, to where it's needed the most. yeah, andrew, let me just follow up with you because you mentioned the complexities of, of setting up such a body. you talked about the geo politics. you talked about by and i mean, let me ask you, i mean, from your vantage point is a setting something like this up right now. we're in the current geopolitical climate. what's going on around the world tension is rising as well. is it actually possible? what would it take to actually get this off the ground? as an emergency manager, i'm gonna turn all optimised and i think that it's inherent in the human spirit to

want to help our neighbors where those are next door, neighbors and neighbors. halfway around the world. we do see a efforts to respond to me and training crisis is to disasters from hundreds of countries in their time of need. but there's a lack of coordination. there's a lack of, of consistency and how this a and these responses are coordinated. it's that we need a system, a mechanism to ensure that regardless of where a country is when it's impacted, that there's a consistent level of agency. it will be provided to the folks that need and that are suffering the most. and they look for it. look to me like you want it to jump and so i'm going to give you that opportunity. but i also want to ask you as well, if an agency liked this work created, what do you actually help level the playing field when when desire disasters would strike in developing countries and poor nations. ok, i just to answer the 1st question. got uh, $2627.00 already established that very uh, platform, so uh,

boxed on lead and chair that in uh, in egypt. and it resulted in a loss and damage fund. so the modalities all back a, a well of course, a big, but it was acknowledged by all those who have signed up for a climate change. the climate change, the agenda that uh the is a requirement for a financial, a response to those modes. one more, but so in pop $26.00, in fact, it was one of the 4 outcomes that the will be a mobilization of funds managed independently. i imagine that the united nations would be, you know, what the platform representing the globe and accordingly those that well,

most affected by climate change would be able to access that finance. so this is beyond the question that should we or can we because it has already been raised. it has actually already been discussed with the last 5 years, i mean into global conferences. now it's a matter of, you know, those who are responsible for the climate damage to ad financing, and then how should countries most affected. now, one of our panelists spoke of the impact of africa as disproportionate, you know, to the fox of the world. if we look at the german, uh there's a german study by a climate change index of which countries were more effective focused on is number 8, you know, most of really the and is most affected by the varieties of, in fact, of climate change. and just in the 15 years that i haven't done too focused on,

i have seen a quick sweet blue shirt mask. we've had slight things. you know, we've had multiple natural disasters. you know, we see it and it on is where it is. you know, uh, next door smarter please dime. so we are sitting in an area here where the natural disasters as a result of climate change is much larger than the potential mitigation measures that the national con, you know, the national governments are able to, you know, so who is responsible? i think we are quite clear on that in terms of who has contributed towards the climate change uh at the speed um. now, how are we supposed to mitigate that? or i'm sorry you're look for i'm, i'm sorry to interrupt you let, let me get back to you on that point shortly because i sees a and he's been reacting to what you're saying. and it also looks like he wants to

jump in and add to what you've been saying as a, please go ahead or i like what if i would say, and i will add, you know, that these countries are really on the cost of it. however, i would add that the balance of power in the world is shifting. that is a fact. we saw that recently with the invitation of developing countries to the g. 20 with the recent brick summit to south africa. and i don't think attributing blame is helpful rather, the developing world for one to, but that's a phrase, you know, imagining markets, whatever you want to call them, moving in the world. and i think and mark is response. we've seen that funds within a pool. that's an african wisdom country would not accept its age. why? because fronts have missed the fact that america has moved more. i'll go ahead, marco dealt with the pandemic incredibly well. it was the 4th lot full of quick this country and the world to vaccinate. you know, people don't realize on friday nights the roads is not a casual being tom act. trees will being planted because more cuz expecting to host

the i am less than the world bank. the 1st time that these meetings are happening outside washington as these 1976. ladies and gentlemen, just need an exclusive moral code still intends to host 19000 of the world's grades and good in 3 weeks time in mount a cash offer it made to us quick because it is a developing country on the move. so i think as the balance of power, the world shifts, rather than after getting blaine to the developed world. developing countries need to work together and to have disaster response to reflective of the growing position in the well as much as how the americans have not let themselves be portrayed as a developing country, a drive that they are moving forward. i'm not going to host the world remarkably in 3 weeks time. this is very moving, ends a let me just add, obviously, even if for rocco does intend to continue to host at and does, it does not mean they will not be complications due to the aftermath of the

earthquake. we should obviously make that clear. you look for i see that you want to jump in. i will let you in just a minute, but i need to, it's andrew question, andrew, international agencies like different branches of the wind or the red cross where the w, if p up there, off on the, on the front lines when it comes to responding to a natural disaster. but right now we're at a time where we're seeing so many natural disasters back to back. it seems that these agencies are really constantly stretched then. isn't that right? well it is. it's true around the glow we've, we've gone past disaster response and recovery. they have reached the stage of, of disaster endurance. it's one thing after another. and, you know, for the last 3 or 4 years, almost we've, we've done every disaster under the cloud of the cold and demick as well. further complicating disaster responses. but my colleagues raised very valid points about responsibility and the need to make the level of responsibility across the world for the impacts of climate change. but we also have to look at how we build and

where we build across the world. disasters are not natural fair, directly attributed to how we build and where we build further, exacerbated by or changing climate. those that are most significantly impacted by disasters are often the ones who can least afford it. and it's true here in the united states, and i think it's quite true or around the world a so to be able to leverage a big level will and resources when it's needed most, whether it's through non profit organizations. voluntary organizations is absolutely critical, but to coordinate this issue of, of a global disaster response. it could be a game changer in those under developed countries and those developing countries that need a little extra assistance. but what we see in rock and what we see around the globe is inherent resilience. in a lot of communities, we see inability to reduce risk after disasters. a great example of bangladesh in the seventy's, they had a psych clone that killed off a 1000000 people. they made significant changes to communications and shopping

infrastructure 20 years later, another cycle and 1991 still devastating, killed 840000 people. but we see progress there. fast forward to 1997 another psych loan killed a 1000 people. so we see incremental changes based on what we experience from a disaster. but we don't take these lessons and turn them into a policy. so globally, until policy makers open their yours open their eyes and quite frankly, open their, their checkbooks to, to, and disaster risk reduction initiatives. make communities more resilient and ensure we're not building in a way and in places that put our most vulnerable for the risk. we're going to continue to be in this disaster cycle and never escape it any other for i saw you are reacting to what andrew was saying. i also saw you reacting to what zayed was saying. i know you want to jump in, please go ahead. i cannot agree more with both of them. the conversation earlier was at a macro, but at a micro level national level,

i cannot agree with you more. and i have argued in every focused on the form that what is focused on doing to build resilience within it. says where are the budget lines for disaster risk reduction? since 2005, what lessons have we not so that the repeated slots, the known floods when they come with the impact of porters of the poor, have we diverted a money for a, a building that uh what? because uh, building uh, you know, since 2005 uh we, we lost 86000 feet, but we needed to reset 2 people away from the river river readings where the uh, flag, the flag spots out when you haven't done it in 23 years. we may have seen the impacts of that happen over and over again. do we have

a population which is above the poverty, 9, etc, etc. all the various points that you raised when you get examples of bundle, dish and morocco, i mean, you know, like, uh, it, it actually breaks my heart. i mean, you know, bug had dish at 1.4. so you know what you spark is done and they have, uh, you know, incredibly move forward, you know, in terms of building resilience uh, within their population focused on has not. and so when we have this conversation on uh, responsibility, i mean, is that 2 levels you see when you're talking about a global level, that is what i was talking about, you know, look at, you know, who is responsible and then they put, you know, a day percentage of how much money they need to put in or resources for at a macro level, but at e in act and national level. it is inc. extremely, an equally important that what are their governments do

a thing to mitigate and build resilience and focused on me know when you are making those commit months outside of the rhetoric zeta. i want to ask you more specifically about the resilience of the american people. right now, uh, and especially when it comes to the efforts of the moroccan diaspora communities around the world. i know that you've been involved when it comes to trying to organize a fund drives and get a 2 victims of the earthquake. first, i want to ask you, do you feel that enough is being done by the international community? and i also want to ask you about the fact that obviously it's very difficult to coordinate efforts when it comes to getting a to affected areas. a natural disaster. um, would you feel more comfortable if you knew that there was a sort of umbrella agency that was actually in charge of making sure that everything was coordinated and all the aid was getting through in one particular

way? is that something that would make you more comfortable? monitoring your questions into the festival with regards to resilience. you will be aware of that in 1960 a 5.8 magnitude. a quite good idea. just uh south east, the south west. the amount of cash which killed 15000 people much worse and best quick this weekend unfortunately took the lives of 2000. because the country has moved forward much like bangladesh, with respect to flooding in terms of the way that these disasters are managed. i think um, of course, it would be better to have an old ton of his body that's, he's dealing with these. i know for a fact that the american response will be to have that road into a little state of the art facilities to do this. because that's the new messaging america, america wants to do this on it so, and do it going forward with regards to the national solidarity, i would 1st like to give kudos to jesse or full raising this issue and raising how these these offices are being managed in the in the global south,

because the media, this course has been so terribly negative. v and morocco dealing with this as an independent software in a functional developing country. that's almost the story of the overwhelming national solidarity has been around. it will come through and vary in individual weeks and months. mm hm. but it's, it's up to scale which is completely hot holding. and i would like to salute you for the full, you know, raising attention to that. and it's almost very telling that, you know, in countries by fronds it's such a hard prospect for an african country to, to be successfully dealing with this on it. so that's, it just shows you how when the global discourse on this issue needs to move on, especially as miller file has the has said, that is the developing world, which will be suffering from this the most. all right, well we have run out of time. so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guests is a bill budget. they look for

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