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what happens now the dawn or kyle in doha. these, the top stories on challenges, era agencies, and maybe a warning of a moving academic for most important diseases. rescue work as a struggling to retrieve decomposed bodies well than 5000 people are believed to have died in sunday's floods, but that death toll is expected to rise. most of the people we have been working all day on the buildings that has been completely destroyed by the bursting of that . um the scale of destruction in the city is devastating with a huge number of buildings, damage and victims missing. that's why we are working as hard as we can and these few hours that to them have safety motions to be able to locate people
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a life and throughout trying to squeeze our dogs as much as possible to work on those buildings that has been partially destroyed. and which have not been completely submerged by the water. more aid is arriving in morocco. the government is now looking to the name of the task of rebuilding a week on from the us quake. the country has announced a reconstruction plan for those who have been left homeless as of all of our a is in oregon, a hi me, trucks, the biggest excavators now pricing was waiting on the flattening the entire area that has been devastated by the quake here in the town of a what again, the mix shift ton that you can see behind me is just going to be honest. but the decision of the government on a very ton 3 basis before they move all the affective communities to was 1030 shelters in buildings waiting for the recall instruction. a plan to be
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completed. at least 6 people have died in northern. so don, off the days of torrential rains, triggered flesh closing thousands of homes and whites nile and north quarter found states have been destroyed and hundreds of people displaced millions already suffering from the fighting between the army and promot. you rapid support forces. age groups have been warning, the rainy season will lessen the situation. we would think it was we need shelter as if the situations bought, even before the heavy rainfall. it was all ready, but we want the government to help people here. they've no income to pay for reconstruction materials or do i or him the left of the thank god we're safe for me, but the damage has already been done in the we lost houses and belongings in the flood, but thank god. anyway. yes, present jerry, bye and as back king also why? cuz who are demanding higher wages saying profits should be, should fairly,
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pre major call make us of being hit with simple changes will count for the 1st time . companies have made some significant offers, but i believe it should go further to ensure a record corporate profits mean record contracts for the i demonstrated again record corporate profits, which they have should be shared by a record contracts for the u a w. and just as for building an economy in the future, we need labor agreements for future. it is my hope that the parties can return to the coach station tables to forge a win win agreement. to continue our active engagement, i am responding to plan dispatching to members of my team to detroit. members of the j 77 group of nations past china are amazing in the cuban capital havana. the block is expected to focus on the role of science and technology during the 2 day meeting. the summit comes just days ahead of the un general assembly in new york city. i see and hungry and suffice. eric sensing a bond on ukraine's grain and force despite the listing of restrictions by the
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european union. 5 e u members, including bulgaria and romania were allowed to bind the sales of ukrainian grain in may to protect federal funding. industries and measures will expire on friday at midnight to off the key. you've agreed to introduce any measures to stabilize grain prices. your claims, as, as we taking control of others, just outside bye with the village of andre lives, just for yourself and the bloody as possible. in russia's war on ukraine, north korean leader kim jong and is continuing his tour of eastern russia and spoke to the factory that produced as rush as most people who will plains kim. so a demonstration flights of the f. 235 flights of jet. there's all your headlines, one use of the the bottom line the . ready a hi, i steve clements and i have
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a question 30 years after the palestinians and israelis signed their historic peace planet oswell. why is peace more elusive than ever? let's get to the bottom line. the on paper it sounded like a good idea, get palestinian and israeli leaders in a room far away from their people in the media and have them talk about what they could accept the bare minimum. that was the premise of the norwegian officials who broker the oslo accords. in 1993, it was supposed to be a temporary deal, but it was celebrated as a full blown priest reading. today. palestinians have a measure of autonomy, but they're far from free. is real, is prospered in gain more acceptance in the region, but it's still running one of the world's longest military occupations. so was also an epic achievement on epic mistake. and if it's dead as so many palestinians and is really say, where do they go from here?
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will be getting to perspectives on these questions and we'll start with your see bail and a former minister of justice in israel. and one of the officials who initiated the talks in oswell. you know, there's a lot of duration of aw, slow. and i'm interested in going from where we were to your ongoing efforts today to say, look, there's still a partner. there are still opportunities out there. what are the newer right, what, what a new oswell look like, you'll see. well, it does look also. i mean, what was the, was really, as you say, the dream agreement, which is that was abused by the age of 80, right. in order to become a bill, money into $1.00 and $2.00 we uh, we had to finish it in $99.00. and here we are now in $23.00 and the we have speed in, in the interim agreement which never ended a i don't think that the, the price being escaped was low in order to use darrow. i, i know that they, we didn't know what to come to us today and all that to be most elements, all the stake, a in, in the west bank and gaza, all
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a was to end occupation. but day to day, it is a very different a situation. a lot of the reasons for that is that the, you'll have the about a half a 1000000 settlers into westbank. while in the time of also your day about 100000. and they, it became the biggest, held the full full opponent agreement of to state a solution which i believe is the only one, but the only realistic a solution. that is why a group of studies thing is a lead the by the, the people who sent me in a group of these rallies ended by me a, it bill rebuild the book about a configuration it, but it's doing a yes, very configuration. last configuration in the parameters of the a you'll be in your, on your own so that the 2 states wouldn't be that totally independent and silver. but that would be a kind of an, a brand alpha configuration which would allow those,
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these re lease what we'd find them says in the police being in states. we do accept this as settlements to stay there as a easily a citizens. and by this opinion, the permanent residents, while the same non bill but experience, it will have the right to a come to eastward s, but as being a citizen and user variable residents. and that has nothing to do with the solution for the refugees, which would be the only financial and that refugees will become toys where the printing of a few days will we be allowed to use when we become for citizens. is there any realistic deal myoshi that can be done given the pre eminence of the is really right in the, in the political sphere in, in, in his real or do you sense that there is an opportunity for things to begin shifting back towards the center where left the letter,
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i don't think that the current government these, these are in use or at least read the full base because this is the petition of the that's the point. and then you live on both sides, extreme east, a and the regret for the disagreement extremist download this more minority a who believe that it is, or the it's, it's a is 0 sum 0. so i'm, and do we believe in when, when and when we is possible, we know it by now because we had so many a, or we have had at least some serious attempts to find a government in solution either formally or informally that we know by now by now it, what is the solution? the only point is for us to forward, as i said before, sort of being the issue of day of day is settlers. and i believe that we have a solution for that, as i told you. and the other thing is you will have to,
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every does well courageous enough and are ready to accept revised bill. all nice a if there is a, you know, the direct piece. we know that people like a said, is that like a rubbing and others duty falls. i hope that it will never happen again. but this is at least the day after that they will have to due date. if you have such people, then you'll have peace as you and i met 20 years ago in israel intel of eve. and at that moment it felt like this crisis, this ongoing ulcer in the world was strategically important. it was one of the world's hot fault lines, and i kind of feel that with the abraham accords with normally normalization efforts. right now, clearly underway between is real and saudi arabia, that this is no longer a barrier or even, you know, you know, in the way of potential normalization in the broader middle east. are there any
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opportunities with this crisis becoming less strategically significant than it used to be? yes, because it is for us value to have be, it is vital for the by this thing is doing blue mantles. and so for free, the ride, for most of the donations and to and do a few patients and full as it is vital to have a, a big boulder in the eastern side of the day. i will stay in order to assure that is one is a jury state, which is a democratic state and also a state for all the teachers in the common situation is very close to a situation of a jewish minority dominating and non julie is all about his opinion majority, and that is that the end of the day of the dream of desire in his dream. a weight shade did not build on a, a,
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taking the rights of the people who lived here. and that is and, and now we, we can prove it. i mean, in my agreement, we double mazda in the 95, in the claim, took on it those of 2000 in the genuine, he should give us 2003, and so on and so forth, that we don't have to a date, the rights of the other side, the older to satisfy our own rights. so there is no real reason why not to do that . and it won't take too, too much time, hopefully to negotiate. because we have so much material, including an excess of hundreds of pages about what the about the electromagnetic space about the environment you name the we can make peace is joe biden doing all he can to secure the piece that you've outlined? or is he not even on the field or nothing else?
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i mean i know him very well and the keys really a wonderful person and they went to read and knowledgeable day about today the conflict. and he still pulls a couple schools that will state the solution and he's a healthy that is in the right day place. and i hope also know if, if you succeed sweet and then no money is ation between is way. and so yeah, maybe a and if that, but as being an issue is on the agenda a that he, he really helped us in going to will of space. but i free that he does not to high school fees agenda because you know, for the dishes, all file like this. and if file is not a bill, well, no tie enough or not significantly enough. they have other priorities. i cannot blame me because it is our file. we have to extinguish it and, and, and finally,
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you see, when it comes to what you've articulated before, by way of confederation and support for a different franklin. going to be candid. i had not heard about this framing and, and you know, potential structure of governance before. what's the appetite in israel for that? what's the app insight on your palestinian on with your policy? any and contacts your why did you did? did did not become in the last day. you were in the have a house. how is the the finish we met weekday, the you and so good. the a be stuck with you? is we made to wait to the americans similar to the state a and they with, with other leaders and they saw him and his does especially and others in the world . people say, okay, if you open his business in his way, he saw coming to us and us go, we're helping older to if we're a implemented solution that you have already agreed upon. language also we,
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we really have your and you see a speaking about the on the but as being, as date a or the putting aside. and i, i remember that the president, the boss is said that it was ready to have a configuration with easily insulated jolting. so i don't think that there would be a, we had a position to leap in is what i, i don't believe that it will be very simple because those who are against that those, that solution of the position of the legs would be or also against the configuration because as i said it is based on the population. but i've seen that see if we really succeed in getting off the table, the issue of disagreements between make it very oh is it we make it easier look, very good is easier for those leaders. all the because the future prime minister is way who is committed to make peace if it is not high on he is all heritage and then
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i don't believe that any solution would be as and what the other solutions. i mean, just say i am supporting the 2 state solution today is not enough. you must tell me how are you going to do that and we have suggesting the way we'll take those dates and we'll thank you for that. you'll see belen former is really just this minister and one of the initiators of the oswell peace process more than 30 years ago. thanks so much for your candid use today. thank you. thank you very much indeed. now we turned them in stop our goodie who heads the palestinian national initiative party and former presidential candidate in palestine. mustafah, it's great to see you and to talk to you. look, i mean you heard my conversation with former minister of justice in his real yoshi bail and who was involved with the hospital for it is 30 years and i'm trying to figure out where we're going in the future. what are the building blocks to finally
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move? what i sort of see is one of the word worlds, worst. humanitarian alters towards a much healthy or equilibrium. and i'd love to get your insights and reactions. i think at the moment was that that, that was built for the senior leadership of the piano and the senate. why i say so because also i agreement does not include the most vital element which we were insisting on with dr. chevy, who was the head of the washington d, which is that before concluding. i mean, i agree meant that it has to be complete the thought of stop before the settlement activities, not quantity. because is there any set to do because we're really good according to the national, but also because sometimes the lot of the main instrument that there isn't a desire to used and continues to use to kind of the 2 states which and actually
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that's exactly what happens because even does not include complete until the start of the one. so it is the number of really upset levels have increased. so 121099 to see 2 more than 750000 to the that includes of course the 2nd us the need to do something and i'm done today and that 50 lives have become not on the a group that is ok if i include because the last but they have become a decisive source and is today the politics. they have for team members and that is there any commissions? they are. the ones who produced fascism in israel and the administrators likes most of the time being who don't try always. if i'm calling themselves specialist from the folks who uh said that there is no place for the city and state. and the, in the goal is to send the banquets up to this. so that was thing is with the
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annual for staples dental. and their solution is, the other thing is if that should integrate or accept the life of subjugation for this system if i find, or do you believe that the ultimate goal then of the is really is, is to use the peace negotiations. you know, essentially as a way to annex and, and, and to kind of fully annex the west bank, the absolute key. i think if i look historically at what happens regardless of maybe some good will some people on the side. but the entity in the all says one petals to diffuse. that is also the fact that the father, which has 4 is written to sit down and negotiate with both students because it could not. but i keep patient in the same old way because as the younger assistance and this all in addition to the fusing, the 5, the 2nd of good was to be in time. so that the kind of continual, the one on the, on the project of settling jewish isn't it,
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is in the occupied territories. in reality, what happens in the band computing that i have to use and even before is not different from what is known as it's a 1940. it is where the good at the senior land. they took it away from the, on the some of the people, the dismissed, the 70 percent of the cdns of the established by the students on that fine. 82 percent on the, on the, on, on the 3.5 percent of the where is this the is continuing the same process and it's not going to started by this time. so and b i t, what we face today is i'm looking at it, it's our new one of 5 states. we're not as lucky we have as that is the policies in my conversation with us. he bail in a minute ago. he talked about a framing. i hadn't heard about before, which sort of a confederation style government to governments that largely exist under a,
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you know, under attend, if you will. and said that he talked to, to gutierrez in the united nations, talked to all the mazda in. and a lot of people have given a week and nod to this possibility and said they could live with that. can you live with a confederation? what are your views of this confederation proposal? and i totally disagree with mr. bennett to pause, and i will explain to you why. first of all, uh, in my opinion, also i agreement i could with the, the supplement expense. and the fremont cost uh, what is called consideration is also trying to accommodate the settlements and the set to the slot and legally in those denies and violates international. and the that is exactly the same kind of process that was submitted and was involved in the agreements graduating agreements without insisting on
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stopping the main problem, which is supplements that i can use, the 2 states option. and because of that kind of policy, we ended up losing the whole idea to get solution, i think is already kim and speaking. oh oh, i've come for that isn't why it was because the same time about isn't it? as it was, the only is i thought the mission of israel, functional, in my opinion, the only solution that can substitute a you have a few of one of our types the is i want to do more kinetic state with everybody. i just didn't realize was enjoyed the same, but i went from the city i was want to have my own list of other nights about also the nation of rights and wouldn't have the same but i sense determination. but in slaving palestinians in the so called configuration, why is that letter to the man in the us bank? and even without allowing us to have the cds web display from their homeland and 19
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plus the that by itself is nothing but an effort to come with the the doing of the commission to accommodate the sacrament expansion. and it is a way of adjusting adjusting the situation. the deluxe is the government's long. but also beside the point that we had in the community, especially the and the, the most exciting institute of decision. and these guys will not accept those test will not accept, want to stay at all. they want is to get the actual stuff i was thinking and see if they would not be stopped by another round of negotiations. they wouldn't be stuck on the, by the simians insisting on this, that fastness and the defense and by i to avoid some insights and is going to be, i guess the system for, by a mist offer or excuse me,
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abraham accords matter to what you're trying to achieve or are they irrelevant as you look at the prospects of a potential salary is really normalization. does that undermine palestinian situation? or is this just all surface noise that really doesn't matter to your efforts what it's most to be accurate? the from on 5 it's the stuff in the back of the scenes because of the whole idea of normalization that that was initiated by the system of course. and the design was made to stem this by the hour. and so the whole idea of normalization is about the liquidating. the 1st thing in these matters in the 1st thing is, is add, that's exactly what nothing else is. often the says, the problem is most of our students, we should make these ones that have all these actions and you get the fact that
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there is nothing uh more with body or with the image is the problem with the students. because it doesn't look to buy the land, but as you saw in my opinion, from one side, these agreements, of course, had it published in young cause because it is used by isn't it into matters you know, like the new issue. but on the effects of a starter l, all these companies, the did not have the lady standing to come on to other students. i mean, we know that for many years, many of them have secret relations with isn't the most important point that dismissed toyota by and by the international community. is that the bottom this of the government's normalization? the people of these countries do not no remarks look good, had these agreements with the egypt since 1978. they had a peace agreement with drug gun since 1994 or do they have normalization with the
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people? some of these companies, of course not on the speak about a few minutes on the egyptian board, the he wants to visit with jordan. right? so in reality, these normalization activities do not have access to by the peoples of these countries and stay on the surface. and the issue with governments not with countries. finally mustafah. i'm just interested in how you see the future. do you see time on your side? do you see time on the is really side. you know, what do you see in palestine that will be free one day? absolutely. so domestic about that. and i know i, that's pretty good at this, of the, of, and we have service appointed by the behavior to so many governments and don't want specially wisdom governments will keep speaking about 2 steps, but nothing to stop. the, the 2nd step is significant. this was,
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this was go out, i'm not even a tentative spot of the kind of miss all the info sanctions. and regardless of that, i believe that the policy in question has never been under as to what life as it is through the. and i believe that's the kind of thing and people, i mean by that, all i'm assuming is whether they live inside is read or in the occupied. it is often they ask them on the phone when they find on united now about the good what the want as a disc disease, i believe that we wouldn't get to be them. but thoughts about factors do you think it will not be as to be them within a small it's a step in get pause. that is what i am, instead of just by cutting the suspect into pieces, it would be 3 of them within one democratic, 3 states, a democratic steve. and i see that clearly i'm hoping is the only solution to the situation that we have. so the democratic state is the only substitute to one of
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the highest tier states reality that we have to when we stop our goody head of the palestinian national initiative party. thank you so much for your candor and for joining us today. thank you. thank you. so much. so what's the bottom line? when we look at how nations behave there essentially no rules, there is no morality. just energy, real is believe it anarchy has to be bent to rules and norms through the use of hard power. no one understands hard power more than the israelis and palestinians. the wars is real survived against it's eric neighbors to power to emerge from. and so to eventually palestine will need power on its side to establish a different future equilibrium with israel. the problem for palestine today though, is it is moved from being one of the world spot lines to becoming a strategically less significant, more quagmire. but making the moral case and shaming the nightmare of occupation is just not going to be enough to solve this long standing occupation. and that
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regrettably is the bottom line, the on counting the cost, the african union joins the g $20.00. but will this bring real change to a developing world? what's to come? a cost of morocco, strong as earthquake in a century. plus the inflation hit a new record in egypt. we explore how egyptians are counting the cost on outages there. the
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hello again, let me know. i kinda know how these, the top stories on al jazeera, 8 agencies in libya, a warning of a looming academic for most important diseases. rescue work is a struggling to retrieve decomposed bodies. well than 5000 people are believed to have died in sundays plans, but not that soul is expected to rise. no aid as arriving in morocco, a government has now looking to the mom of the task of rebuilding a week on from the f click. the country has announced a reconstruction plan for those whose been left homeless. at least 6 people have died in northern suzanne. off the days of torrential rains triggered flash flooding . thousands of high.
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