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the, the, the challenges here with the, i'm all the insight into how you top stories on al jazeera and financial aid has started to arrive and slot, hip east, and libya from the united nations. you are russia and middle eastern countries. you and humanitarian affairs office has launched an appeal for $71000000.00. a corresponding amount of china has the legs, just not only are they having to come to terms with this reality of losing dozens of family members, but they're now, you know, oh, more than 30000 people have been displaced and they are very critical that the
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authorities haven't moved fast enough to get them the that they desperately need. i mean we're seeing an outboard, a support from the international community, but also libyans are coming together in a way that we haven't seen before. they'd be enrolled her least. i'll have to go back to the governments in the east visited dana on friday. his forces have now allowed entries. a convoy is dispatched by the rival government, united nations estimates that more than 300000 people have been effected in morocco often of quite a week ago. people in the high atlas mountains with hottest hits, nearly 3000, have died. european commission present or live on the land is due to visit land producer in it's late on sunday and has seen an unprecedented number of refugees in library, survive asian africa view and says it's in the hall 1000 people arrived earlier
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this week. an italian military jets has crest. well, take some pause and exercise cutting 5. you will go and call the ground. it happened near to an apples, gills. 9 year old brother was seriously injured and her parents stuff and beds. the dominican republic has closed on its food is with the countries all in a dispute over haiti's construction of a canal from a shed river its own home and has moved from the city of fungible. and the dominican republic shot the buddha with hates hates, allowing people to go this way through typing this way to the dominican republic because of a dispute of, of water. there's a channel. the haitian farm is a building that goes off the factory river that the 2 countries share, the dominican republic says that they shouldn't be building that channel. and it's the dominican republic and said, well, we're going to shut the buddha as a response to that. and additionally, these people are being sent back that seems to have been
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a fresh wave of if not deputations and encouragement at the people to go. some of them are you can see carrying the suitcase since they've lived in the, in the dominican republic for quite some time. and this, so to leave and with that whole lives here, john, home. and i would just say to it, the dominican republic talks between striking us was most of workers and companies as a critical phase according to the order to make us to lantus. in the 13000 work is affiliation with the you know, i said it was a workers union, have state all the jobs since friday. the union wants a 40 percent pay honk for the call company say it's 2 months. she advertising, she has moved from detroit, michigan of the big 3 older makers made a quarter of a trillion dollars in profit over the last 10 years impulse because of the concessions the workers of pounds like this made in 2009 for going pensions. health care not asking for wage interfaces. scouts time for re balancing workers on this
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picket line, se, but under no illusion, it will be difficult. i know it's good to get the salary. well, that on strike, things are expected to get touch around. has requested the you a new clear what still to withdrawal. some with its inspectors who oversee is new to act, tennessee. i a has condemn the request around is allowed to make the request sound of a tracy on the non proliferation nuclear weapons. and it's been one year now since last saw many died in pen, east coast city in a wrong thousands of people from the united states and europe have held rallies to mock. the anniversary of the desk in iran, security forces have been ramped up to crack down on any process. she was arrested by the country's morales. the police are not wearing a headscarf. is your headline news continues here now. does 0 most of the
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a hi are steve clements and i have a question 30 years after the palestinians and israelis signed their historic peace plan and oswell, why is peace more elusive than ever? let's get to the bottom line. the on paper it sounded like a good idea, get palestinian and israeli leaders in a room far away from their people in the media and have them talk about what they could accept that bare minimum. that was the premise of the norwegian officials who broke or the oslo accords. in 1993. it was supposed to be a temporary deal, but it was celebrated as a full blown priest reading. today. palestinians have a measure of autonomy, but they're far from free. is realize prospered in gain more acceptance in the region, but it's still running one of the world's longest military occupations. so it was
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also an epic achievement on epic mistake. and if it's dead as so many palestinians and is really say, where do they go from here? will be getting 2 perspectives on these questions and we'll start with yoshi, bail, and a former minister of justice in israel. and one of the officials who initiated the talks in oswell. you know, there's a lot of duration of aw, slow. and i'm interested in going from where we were to your ongoing efforts today to say, look, there's still a partner. there are still opportunities out there. what of a new or right what, what a new oslo look like. you'll see. well, it does look also anymore. also was really, as you say, didn't dream agreement, which is that was abused by the age of 80, right. in order to become a bill, money into $1.00 and $2.00 we uh, we had to finish it in $99.00 in june. we are now in 23 and the we have people in, in, in, in durham agreement which never ended a, i don't think that day and the price being escaped was low in order to use darrow.
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i, i know that they, we did not come to us today and all that to be most settlements, all the stake a in, in the west bank and gaza. i will a was to end of your patient. but day to day it is a very different a situation. a why don't know is this will the, is that the, you'll have the about a half a 1000000 settlers into westbank, wiley in the time of also your day about 100000. and they, it became the biggest, held the full full opponent agreement of to state a solution which i believe is the only one, but the only realistic a solution. that is why a group of buddies doing is a lead the by the to people who sent me in a group of these rallies. it led by me a, it bill rebuild the book about a configuration it, but it's doing a is rarely configuration. last configuration in the parameters of the
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a you'll be in your own so that the 2 states wouldn't be that totally independent and silver. but that would be a kind of an, a brand alpha configuration which was a low, those, these re lease. what we'd find them says in the police being in states, we bill said this is settlements to stay. there is so easily a citizens and by this opinion, the permanent residents, while the same non bill but experience, it will have the right to a come to eastward s, but his pinion is $0.50 and use variable residents. and that has nothing to do with the solution for the refugees, which would be symbolically financial and that refugees will be gone to is where the president of a few years will we be allowed to? is way we become for seek is is there any realistic deal myoshi that can be done given the pre eminence of the is really right in the, in the political sphere in,
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in, in his real or do you sense that there is an opportunity for things to begin shifting back towards the central are left delayed to i don't think that the current government is these are a news, riley's ready for these because this is the petition of the that's the point. and then you'll have on both sides extreme east a and the address for the disagreement extremist, the some more minority a who believe that it is or the it's, it's a is 0 sum 0. so i'm, and do we believe in when, when and when we is possible, we know it by now because we had so many a, or we have had at least some serious attempts to find a government in solution either formally or informally. that though we know by now with by now it, what is the solution? the only point is 1st the forward, as i said before,
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sort of being the issue of day of day settlers. and i believe that we have a solution for that. as i told you, and the other thing is you will have to, every does well courageous enough and are ready to accept the revised bill. all nice, a in order to get to get these. we know that people like a said, is that like a rubbing and others duty falls. i hope that it would never happen again. but this is at risk of the day after that they will have to due date. if you have such people, then you'll have peace as you and i met 20 years ago in israel, in tel aviv. and at that moment, it felt like this crisis, this ongoing ulcer in the world was strategically important. it was one of the world's hot fault lines, and i kind of feel that with the abraham accords with normally normalization efforts. right now, clearly underway between is real and saudi arabia,
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that this is no longer a barrier or even, you know, you know, in the way of potential normalization in the broader middle east. are there any opportunities with this crisis becoming less strategically significant than it used to be? yes, because it is for us vi done to have be, it is vital for the but as being is glen van to the full for free? the right so, so the donation and to and do a few patients and full isaac is vital to have a, a big boulder in the eastern side of the day. i will stay in order to show that is ryan, is a jury state, which is a democratic state and also a state for all the teachers in the common situation is very close to a situation of a jewish minority dominating and non julie is all about his opinion majority,
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and that is that the end of the day of the dream of desire in his dream. a weight shade did not build on a, a, taking the rights of the people who lived here. and that is and, and now we, we can prove it. i mean, in my agreement, we double mazda in the 95, in the clinic, talk on it those of 2000 and in the genuine, you should give us 2003, and so on and so forth, that we don't have to a date, the rights of the other side in order to satisfy our own rights. so there is no real reason why not to do that. and it wants to take to too much time, hopefully to negotiate. because we have so much material, including an excess of hundreds of pages about what the about the electromagnetic space about the environment you name the we can make peace
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is joe biden doing all he can to secure the piece that you've outlined? or is he not even on the field or nothing else? i mean, i know him very well and they use really a wonderful person and they, when to read and knowledge but a about the conflict and he still pulls a couple schools that will state the solution. and he's a healthy that is in the right day place. and i hope also know if, if you succeed sweet and then no money ization between ease way. and so there may be a and if the opinion easterel is on the agenda a that he, he really helped us in going to world space. but i a free that he does not to high school fees agenda because you're not full of dishes. all file like this, and if fido is not the bill, well no,
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tight enough on significantly enough. they have other priorities. i cannot blame me because it is our file. we have to extinguish it and, and, and finally, you'll see when it comes to what you've articulated before by way of confederation and support for a different franklin. going to be candid, i had not heard about this framing and, and you know, potential structure of governance before. what's the appetite in israel for that? what's the app it site on your palestinian on with your policy and contacts your why did it did it did not become in the last a year and a half a how's the how's the the finish we met weekday the you and so good. the a be stuck with you is we made to wait to the american, the secretary of state a and they we, we are the leaders and they saw him in his does, especially in others in the world. people say ok if you put
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a students in his way to be so coming to us as couple of help in order to, if we're a implemented solution that you have already agreed up on like we've also, we, we really have you or do you see a speaking about the under but as being a state a on the police being a site. and i, i remember that the president, the boss is said that he was ready to have a configuration with easily is right in georgia. so i don't think that there would be a real position delete in easley i. i don't believe that it would be very simple because those who are against it, those that solution of the duplication of the land would be or also against the configuration. because as i said, it is based on the publisher, but i've seen that see if we really succeed in getting off the table, the issue of the settlements between make it very oh is it we make it easy and look
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very good is easier for those leaders or the future prime minister is way who is committed to make peace if it is not high on he is all heritage and then i don't believe that any solution would be as and what the other solutions mean. just say i am supporting the 2 state solution today is lucky enough. you must tell me how are you going to do that? and we're suggesting that way. we'll take those dates and we'll thank you for that . you'll see belen former is really just this minister and one of the initiators of the oswell peace process more than 30 years ago. thanks so much for your candid use today. thank you. thank you very much indeed. now we turned them in stop our goodie who heads the palestinian national initiative party and former presidential candidate in palestine. we stop, it's great to see you and to talk to you, look, i mean, you heard my conversation with former minister of justice in his real go see bail
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and who was involved with the hospital force is 30 years. and i'm trying to figure out where we're going in the future. what are the building blocks to finally move? what i sort of see is one of the word worlds. worst. humanitarian alters towards a much healthy or equilibrium. and i'd love to get your insights and reactions i think at the moment was that that that was built for the palestinian leadership of the piano and defended. and that's why i say so, because also i agreement does not include the most by the elements which we were insisting on with the chevy, who was the head of the washington d. which is that before concluding. i mean, i agree meant that it has to be complete the thought of stop before the settlement activities. not 20, because is there any set to do because we're really good according to international
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law, but also because some of the lot of the maintenance to make the desires movement used and continues to use to kind of push this. and actually that's exactly what happens because even does not include complete until the start of the one. so it is the number of really upset levels had increased. so 121019932 more than 700. $50000.00 to the that includes of course the 2nd us and these to the and i'm done today and that 50 lives have become not on the a group that is ok if i include because he the last. but they have become a decisive force and is today the politics. they have for a few numbers and those are the commissions. they are the ones who produced fascism in israel and the administrators likes most of the can be viewed. who don't try always. if i'm calling them, so specialist from the folks who uh said that there is no place for the city and
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state. and then again, the goal is to send those to banquets up to this. so that was thing is with the annual for staples, dental, and their solution is the other thing is either should integrate or accept the life of subjugation for this system if i find, or do you believe that the ultimate goal then of the is really is, is to use the peace negotiations, you know, essentially as a way to annex and, and, and to kind of fully annex the west bank, the absolute key. i think if i look historically, what happens is maybe some good way to some people on the side, but the tv all said one petals to the fields that is also the fast and the father, which has for him to sit down and negotiate by the students because there's a lot, but i q patient in the same way because as the younger existence and this all in
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addition to the fusing, the 5, the 2nd of good was to be in time. so that the kind of continual the one on the on set and then the product of settling jewish isn't it is in the occupied territories . in reality, what happens in the band computing the lot stuff to use and even before is not defense from what does that do to 1948 is where the good at the senior level we have for the on the some of the people at the dismiss the 70 percent of the standards of the established by the students on that fine. 82 percent on the on the, on the 3.5 percent of the where is this today is continuing the same process and this will cause the starting price. so and b i t, what we faced with is i'm looking at it, it's our new one of 5 states, right? we've got is what we have as that is the policies in my conversation with us. he
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bail in a minute ago. he talked about a framing i hadn't heard about before, which sort of a confederation style government to governments that largely exist under a, you know, what under attend, if you will. and said that he talked to, to gutierrez in the united nations, talked to all the mazda and a lot of people have given a week, a nod to this possibility and said they could live with that. can you live with the confederation? what are your views of this confederation proposal? and i totally disagree with mr. the amendment to pause and i will explain to you why. first of all, uh, in my opinion, also i agreement with the, the supplement expense and the framework off uh, what is called consideration is also trying to accommodate the assignments and the satellite is legally in those denies and violates international.
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and then that is exactly the same kind of process that was submitted and was involved in the agreements, graduated agreements without insisting on stopping the main problem, which is supplements that i can use, the 2 states option. and because of that kind of policy, we end up losing. the whole idea is to get solution i think is already kim. and if you can, well, i've come for the reason why it was because the same time about isn't it as it was, the only is i thought, the nation of everything from national in my opinion, the only solution that can substitute a you have a few of one of our types to is i want to do more kinetic state with everybody, but the city is enjoying the same rights. what about a city i was want to have not only civil rights, and that's also the nation of rights and will have the same, but i sense determination. but in slavery by this thing is in the so called the
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configuration. why is set to the man in the back and even without the 1st thing you have, if you use what the split from their homeland in 1940 is that by itself is nothing but an effort to come with the, the doing of the commission to commit the sacrament expansion, and it is a way of adjusting, adjusting the situation, the deluxe, the governments want. but also, besides the point that we had an island isn't as a refresher and the, the most exciting institute of this vision. and these guys will not accept those test. do not accept, want to stay on the want is to give you the actual stuff i was thinking and see if they would not be stopped by another round of negotiations. they wouldn't be stuck on the, by the simians insisting on this,
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that fastness and the defense and by i to avoid some insights. and it's going to be, i guess, the system a response or excuse me, abraham accords matter to what you are trying to achieve or are they irrelevant as you look at the prospects of put a potential salary is really normalization. does that undermine palestinian situation, or is this just all surface noise that really doesn't matter to your efforts what it's most to be accurate from on 5 it's a step in the back of the palestinians because of the whole idea of normalization that was initiated by the system, of course the design was made or established by the hour and so the whole idea of normalization is about liquidating the policy managed by the senior,
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which is about $600.00 towards nothing else. is often the says, the problem is most of our students. we should make it feasible that us, but in all these actions, you get to the fact that there is nothing uh more with body or with the image is the problem with the students because it doesn't look to buy the land. but as you saw in money from one side, these agreements, of course, had it to the 1st thing. and because because it is used by isn't it into matters you know, like the new issue. but on the effects of a starter l. all these companies, the, did not have that on these ladies pending to come on to other students. i mean, we know that for many years, many of them have secret relations with isn't the most important point that dismissed the bike is very nice and by the international community is that they've gotten this of the government's normalization. the people of these countries do not
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know my location. i had these agreements with egypt since 1978. they had a peace agreement with jordan since 1994 or do they have normalization with the people? some of these companies, of course not on the speak about a few minutes on the egyptian or the t wants to visit with jordan. right? so in reality, these normalization activities do not have access to by the peoples of these countries and stay on the surface. and the issue with governments not with countries. finally mustafah. i'm just interested in how you see the future. do you see time on your side? you see time on the israeli side? you know, what do you see in palestine that will be free one day? absolutely. so domestic about that, and i know i, that's pretty good at this, of the, of, and we have service. i'm going to buy the behavior to so many governments and don't
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want specially wisdom governments will keep speaking about to step solution by doing nothing to stop the the stuff and that's, that is significant. this is what i'm not even a bad, a tentative and solve the problem is are we looking for sanctions? and regardless of the one that i viewed the same question has never been understood . what is life as it is to the and i believe that's the kind of thing and people i mean by that all of the seasons, whether they live inside or in the occupied. if it is often the desktop out of phone, let me find on united now about the good what the one as a disc disease. i believe that we wouldn't get to be them, but phones, but frankly speaking, it will not be as to be done within a small step in get pause. that is an established by cutting the back into pieces. it would be 3 of them within one democratic, 3 states,
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a democratic steve. and i see that clearly i'm hoping is the only solution to the situation that we have. so the democratic steve is the, on the substitute to i thought i'd see steve to the i think you definitely have to when we stop our goody head of the palestinian national initiative party. thank you so much for your candor and for joining us today. thank you. thank you so much. so what's the bottom line? when we look at how nations behavior are essentially no rules, there is no morality, just energy. real is believe it anarchy has to be bent to rules and norms through the use of hard power. no one understands hard power more than the israelis and palestinians. the words israel survived against it's eric neighbor's power to emerge from. and so to eventually palestine will need power on its side to establish a different future equilibrium with israel. the problem for palestine today though, is it as move from being one of the world's fault lines, to becoming
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a strategically less significant, more in quagmire, but making the moral case and shaming the nightmare of occupation is just not going to be enough to solve this long standing occupation and that regrettably is the bottom line. the facing down prejudice. breaking new ground isn't missing americans. and this didn't pick metals. i felt like this was my opportunity to dispel a lot of stereotypes that people have about the most in community. meet a to hodge mohammed, i'm african american. i choose to work a job. i'm not only in athlete. i'm like, literally in the best of my sport, i'm one of the best in the world and i'm going to show you exactly what most women can do is for generations, food on our g 0. did you need to talk to
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the people a very well aware of the wealth potential of that country, but as they've seen with a huge mining profit generated in the east of dc, nothing ever filters down to the pool. the rain forest provide for the 10s of thousands of small communities who live that from a roof over their heads to food for the pump. box. infrastructure is minimal. schools and hospitals, if any, a barely equipped electricity, none. the question, perhaps oil can change things to the press to get a very real sense of the depth of feed here just by driving a level of this truck driven these little community. because we keep reading the steak and being called to be on the expiration project a quite a lot of people, the adults. so i'm running out shopping, get out at a window of what ever you want to keep all floors.

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