the 50 percent emissions, which has created this crisis, exploring abundance of 12 clause programming, designed to inform, motivates, and didn't. by the way, my story was, i felt that it was important. i did fax on algebra. ukrainian and they saw strike hit some rough as naval headquarters in climax attacks on the russian control territory. having testified just as you claims ground defensive in the east makes little headway. so why is climbing a southern pole? send it to both sides. this is inside story, the hello there, and welcome to the program. i'm nora, kyle, russian controlled crime. it has been coming on the increasing attack from ukraine

. the territory annexed by most go 9 years ago is now an active bustle. funds between the wall between the 2. once seen as a fortress of most goes minute, tree mites, the latest attack ends, the vast topple has shown that ukraine is capable of reaching target's fall beyond the front lines. the speculation that british or french missiles helped school a direct hit on the russian naval headquarters on friday. one of most guys, most important spaces, will else go guess than just a moment. why climb it is so significant to both sides? first, since i'm on a, how has this report on fridays attack? a strike at the hearts of russia's operations in the black sea. ukraine says friday's attack on the russian regional naval headquarters into the basketball, killed several high ranking military commanders debases in crimea. well, behind russian lines, it came as present, bought a mirror, zalinski wrapped up

a trip to north america. ukraine's allies have been wrapping up shipments of advanced weapons that make it possible to strike deep into a russian hill territory. maybe guys, solutions talk to my mind a q. we are grateful to the united states and with all due respect to all of our allies and united states provides the largest share of, of the list of the assistance that our soldiers on the battlefield really need at this moment, even though some so we are discussing all the different types of weapon with long range weapons, artillery and air defense system. and what am i speaking with? the un rushes foreign minister, keith western powers of using ukraine to fight a proxy war for the dishes. while you the west on defacto fighting against us using the hands and bodies of ukrainians, i think everybody present to you who pays at the summit tension to the situation in ukraine knows very well that americans, buttons and others are fighting. and those countries who are providing more and more weapons, let's move along the front line with the conflict. ukraine's progress

has been slow and much anticipated counter offensive has failed to make significant gains and re taking territory held by russia. but the strike against the possible has shown that you crank and hit russian assets far from the main battlefront and of attacks like this can be repeated. it could open up a new front in the war, tense and bought ahead for inside story. it was really a series of attacks on climb and leading up to the latest sikes on september 14th, ukrainian forces used a combination of trains and ms. austin took out a surface to missile system and just one day long range crews my solves damaged, unable shape on a submarine. a dry adult for fleet maintenance was also head times expected to be out of action for months. and then october 23rd and attacked the town of and if caught, destroyed another defense system under radar station the

what i was bringing all guests now. and in that most go andre back ton of deputy chairman of the association of russian diplomats. he's also a former, a russian ambassador to saudi arabia in london to montela sacrifice the senior electra in security and development at king's college, london. and the also of russian imperative. and we've visited from disengagement to hedge money. and in new york, michael bull, secure senior fellow at the atlantic council, and a former spokesman for the o. s. c e. special function mission to ukraine of i will welcome to all of you, michael. let's start with you. the, the black fleet head, the quote says it's a major high profile target. how did you claim put office attack for sure. well, um, look, you referred to uh, the correspond to referred to that area as uh, military for transfer. but the worst thing because of the print into tax is nothing more than a sign kyle: so even that's kind of a compliment. i mean, the fact that the russian of the sort of the fact that the ukranian rockets were

able to penetrate the highly vaunted s 400 bucks in their defense system is absolutely astounding. look, naser systems, the country is like turkey and india have paid billions of dollars for and now we're saying that it's largely an effective not only protecting their crime in peninsula, but also the aerospace in moscow against fairly rudimentary drone. some huge success for the printed forces, but if i can, i mean we have to remember also the wider picture that caught me is very, very important. strategic for 3 reasons. historic economic and military and economically, everyone's looking at this and these, the stay in a for the oil and gas reserves. but there's a lot there. and as well, up previous to russians, russia, it's illegal annexation or crime. yeah. there are paying billions of dollars of rent a to ukraine. so if you put all of that together, it's very strategic. and then i should also add,

i am temporarily based in odessa. we think of crime. he had a lot for several reasons. but one of the reasons is that it is the base for these russian missiles being lodged and targeting not literally a desktop, but the ports and a critical component of the global food supply chain. so when you crane does strike, crime is not only for its own military reasons, defensive reasons, but also because it is keeping the world's food supply chain in mind. okay, michael, thank is a lot to get into the, in this discussion festival. andre, let's get your response here. this is the latest in a string of attacks that we've seen in the crime it how big a blow is this to rushes black sea feet. busy ok, i think just. busy to shoot this uh, give me a little think. oh yeah. so she wanted to see you in the store, but they're actually really expecting something like that. and that's the,

that's why i don't have a goal. we decided to college. busy church for those of our. busy and. busy all the chance to do to just show them the riddle for me and some of. busy places and of course this was the blow back to the people that i work in the cab. what those brought to the building that ever sometimes the shipping, it is a serious thing. i think the website uh well uh old tell dish in the room. we're lacking education. sure. and the, the new system that gains in so cool times that our systems are all lose in the start of the developing. so we'll start virtual that the mandate on just show you a few little adventure the, to the development of the, for those services, the l. a. g o, the present date. oh,

you know, we have origin. andre, if, if russia it could bosco x expect sense of this attack, why did it not back to defend its black c fleet headquarters? it was the only a, a real shot to way of defending against such attempts at each uh, you know, or stand. you can get braces, the base is the whole thing and so i'm stuck into this images on your brain. i think what will happen in some of the theater. so i remember for sure that the actual share, well, uh the smoke do sure. what to stream the show your screen, you know the 3 and don't get sick. so perhaps you can also look to and i'm not sure why should i pull to say we should careful that for you if you do start against these bases. so. busy to go, going to andre saying that this attack was to be expected, but it didn't come as

a surprise. do you agree with that? yes, i think that it is clear that already now for several months, it's not over a year that the you know, you that your printers i've been trying to, um, we can uh, russians and military presence in premier for his reasons. as was explained by the 1st best speaker, the fact that from premier there is always a challenge on the sort of nose, western coast of ukraine on the black sea. and that's where a lot of the grain is being exposed to. so russia and therefore ukraine exploring for them to make sure that there isn't a sort of a landing or what you need to be on the show. so based on these, these shows of ukraine at the same time, uh premier, is the seat. uh, is it not stuck on the black seat lead to russia? um, the id is from uh from the fleet that the nissans are being fired. i'll be praying

and infrastructure when i lot of the from, from shapes or something right inside the stable on. but they're based in the uh, in the crimea on, um, basically by stop. also, this is also a very important point to try to diminish the, a big rush at to pick your brain up. it may not on the infrastructure. so i think that it's, it's something that the, you know what's to be, you know, what i mean was talked about for quite some time. and we've seen many operations already last year when the were attacks on, on the basis that dresser, i have the, the, the ad page is that joshua has in crime. yeah. under present lieutenant has always said the rush that claim it is a red line that must be crossed. so how will he respond to this? because we now keep saying crimea being hit as well. the real estate agent that the space in the developed in the federal some the

there will be much more a tax again. so the premium facility is. busy her basis and. busy role love is really pursuing this, usually we bill 3 cities and the check uh you know, what. busy actually what kind of been doing this. busy busy book to own the level that you do need you to uh. busy to victory uh in. busy new brand new bill should be the time the shuttle most. i think i don't have to leave no less than 2. yes. uh, because uh, the cool thing to do over to survey lane that you have to be real. busy liberating your career and then the 2nd was what was that turns drives me to the brand. so this is the image it's going to do in to finish the name of the junction to your. ready brandon's oh do you. busy on the surgeon.

so uh well uh, well i think the district is used to prepare. busy for sale so. busy well, look for the game, show me the key g, but the nature of this is a preliminary stage shows that this time to the cause of the man think is now to say don't give them opportunities to gain the emotion. so they experience real verbal experience. this uh, they saw the main elements of the stuff that you, okay, i'm like, oh, i'll just give it a chance to respond to that, to what andres has before bringing us back to crime in a less than 2 years before russia seems victory and new crane what's your response to that? a guy that would be a miracle kind of by any standard. they are not doing well on several front lines, whether it's land based the, the long front line that distracts us from north of ukraine to the south. but also obviously in crimea novel also able being able to protect the zones kaiser. and i'm

also wondering how does the average russian think about this, whether they live in crimea, or they live in the outskirts of moscow, or even central mosque jobs, that they are now getting a taste of what ukrainians throat ukraine face everyday. this barrage of muscles and drones. so i, i wonder what this means for mr buttons. uh, hold on power. the other thing uh, we should say, uh, is that what russia has done with crime? yeah. in the past decades is the a fits into a pattern of not only disregarding its own international bi lateral treaties, but also of control genocide. what's been done in crimea to the crime in terms of the killing them or deporting them to places like slugged area. so we're seeing that russian play book play out now in the war. what do credit, but once again, they are due performing very badly on the battlefield. port morales, the troops,

they're losing soldiers at 2 or $3.00 to $1.00 to the ukraine inside. and one more quick thing is with the introduction of these a more powerful, longer range missiles like the storm shut off from the u. k. and the top comes which are expected to come. you can probably expect a wretched thing up a problem. you could to even include it could even include a direct strike on the couch bridge, which is an important re supply chain in the whole war effort. a, i think with these newer missiles it would not only put a whole on the bridge, but put it out completely. and again, we have to emphasize this, these, these resupply rates are legitimate military targets. going to, michael raises the point that wondering what people in crime may think of all this, it must be pointed out, must net, the poles have consistently starting to move in half of the population in crime me a favor unification with russia. this is a broad, the russian, ethnically,

russian population. i think it's very important to highlight 2 points. first, start in 1991. when your brain had a referendum on the form independence. the majority of people in crimea voted in favor. it wasn't on resolving majority just another parts of your brain, but never the less it was joy because i'm not mistaken of overall i'm 57 percent and that also included the safety of somebody stole. so when your premiums have a johnston voted in on open uh sort of referendum they did vote in favor of ukraine's independence incorrectly. yes. when i'm, what is important to highlight is also the fact that the referendum that was carried out in 2014 was not really free and fair. and the opinion polls are very hard to uh, to a, to sort of a bind here. so i wouldn't, i wouldn't face myself from that. i mean, of course, we know that they are

a simple faith. i'm generally that raise a mood and support of, of our integration with russia. but that, you know, doesn't justify bionics ation, nor does it allow russia to operate in that way. dogs in the region, especially because premier has become really a seed of many tribulations for russia. if we must remember that major sole and 2nd was carried out in february 2022 into ukraine was carried out from premier. so premier as it can be used strategic as a base. so many tribulations and also for russia it has been on, you know, i'm trying to find the, i has allowed it to we are sort of close a see of us off to you. grains of grain exports on all kinds of other industrial exports on the western co, excuse me, on the eastern knolls and coast of the cranes black c. so there are very many arguments in favor for, you know, as i said,

for ukraine to try to re take control over time here. i think what is also important if we talk about a key for so remember the crimea, cons they originally many, many of them have been forced to the best being depredations during the soviet era . and they will not be allowed to return even even when other peoples were allowed to return to their country areas of origin. but out, those were not. so there's not a lot of a sort of in a way cleansing of populations i've l originally from crimea on. many russians are really the 1st generation there. they're not there since many generations and brand new andre, why did print some document pollutant amex crime it in 2014? it was seen to be illegal on the international know, and it starts to on a collision course with ukraine and the whole world. well actually after the. busy oh, why don't you like to watch the really good stuff that's going to be really just been

stored? i'll shoot you. the reason we didn't have anything in mind with all. so i was hoping 10. busy 2014 business needs, the development of the parents because of the change of the weather she and then you have the structural change. sure. hold the end of the to the there's you just told you, you don't do mediation. all the people are living in uh, turning your soul reassess, mount uh on. does that because you have to be, you know, really tough. she says that don't do the 2nd rolls or more do you want to develop a new brand? we can't have the home point 5000000 room or what the parentheses that still a good idea to really be matching up to them to put them in prison. but unfortunately, by doing just to patch or show that there's great but yeah for them to, to join the staff. this tend to be present during the rest of the and the

$1111.00. been there and have you come in and show living there have been actually through the restroom and the back and everything and i was visiting for several occasions, but i me, i rush assure you the lessons that are included you for and so they are well happy but today we are going to jump back to the normal situation where we will do together because we're not sure which will do the division between the wrench and we're going to create a new service. did you do division between the us and these? so here's you. well that's what i have to do. so in 2014 and back to these people, the additional gives you the address of the service and the payments. and we do a g d, but the 2nd version will do you accept pay, but most of amex ation of crime mass is illegal on the international the the legal exactly. it was the additional risk involved are saying about for

sure. you people have that vision and very decided to result that direction. we did just have this plan. so that told you this is absolute, the 2nd seriously, the goodman. so if the people left, you do not use it to them. you do not know anything which is separate. and the last thing several weeks are we went to you and the tv there. very uh you know, where uh, giving us some stores or wherever they are going to wherever the jump their feet is, the but you need to know what is going on this uh, this last step. but since the end of the month of the stairs up i paid, oh, we have citizens and this isn't done. so all the trumpets, including the show called you prince michael, was a response to the other people in crime and they wanted to join russia off the full effect to get

a co rich. and the rise of the 11 ski animal pro western government in keys is that the way you see it that is complete nonsense. and um, i think i don't want to dignify the individual spoke by responding to is a twisted version of history. the lies the fake news, so i will just raise one point here and it's important one is um mr. boot and tried to justify his so called specs on military operation by saying, you know, roughly, is coming today to russian speakers and place a by product cube in odessa and body. hope all, well, these are the very uh, cities that russia is striking without any sort of restraint. um, i was just reminding myself, looking at a video yesterday of how a russian missile has tried, came straight into the start district of augusta into that big orthodox cathedral. so if this is their version of protecting russians, well, god, help russians elsewhere in the world. look,

the other thing here i should mention because i am seated here in the united states . we've just finished that while we're in the middle of the u. n week. and most of the landscape visit to washington is that. ready for the ukrainians to finish what they started declare for victory and push the russians back so that they no longer are a threat. not only to natal country 0, but the rule is based international. the system is that 2 things need to happen in washington. number one is that, um, the, the, the decision makers there need to get over their fear of the nuclear black american male. in other words, meant to put and turning to nuclear weapons. i don't think that will happen. and number 2, there also seems to be concerned in washington about russia somehow. imploding. if there's too many threats made to them, especially by their creators, i think that is nonsense also. but one quick point. if i may, what we're seeing play itself out in europe is tied to your pin countries actually happen acting ahead of united states, for example,

providing main battle tanks of jobs um those long rates commit so. so that is a very refreshing thing to say. and i think they realize that they're much closer to the front line box, right, is much bigger of a thread and they need to address it proactively. done. so what do you think of that? because we do have us media reports that joe biden is preparing to send a small number of long range missile systems. cold attack comes, what person do they do? how might that change the fitness of the stays with as for ukraine? i'm how indeed, like russia then respond to it. what i think, what is important is they've done a hip, so the deeper into areas where, you know, your brain didn't have that capability for i'd received a strong shadow on my side. so that hates you know, your brain is to hit, so that'd be, be behind what we call behind getting in the lines. because what happened was when ukrainians receives that he mars, they moved a lot of their so the,

from portland communication around some of their amunition that both so that behind and these my sons, what are now, are you praying to hit add to control communications and also logistic of support that is helping was that really trick on base? so it is really very helpful and very important. and i mean the question of whether they would keep russian terry tree. i think i, you know, is, is a, is a delicate one. but this one, but you know, sort of power lies the sort of, uh, support for your brain. because what we're seeing is that, you know, that the 1st of all made is necessary and essential for ukraine to receive these weapons to carry on more effectively to its main. click on pain on 2nd here, no russia. so that stands alone, but it has the image of the capabilities unless it escalates much further to the territory, which i think they will not do so they will continue responding in the way they

have responded so far. i mean, was one of the concerns is if the small drugs on for very, very long. but i don't see that russia will do a sort of estimate to one level which is really threatening, which will allow, in sort of a nuclear power entry as a result of reducing the com sites on drugs know that you should be worried about andre, to what extent does the use of western weapons in this will provoke pollution? oh, well well, actually i think just uh you know, the, uh, the references that are coming from the rest of the vision is one of the social on the bottom. one version of is uh that was uh uh the, the to $22.00 is the huge and roll. uh, i'll call. so you should i put you in a g for you in june and uh, and do to go. busy sure,

uh for sure that and some periods of time uh the people we envision the doctor is uh, uh more transition. so in the. busy in the brain, maybe not to we, we bought a raise. you probably in the present day, but as you will show, the report do opportunities. so for us not to use reference of doing such a little but to, to use the do to make sure you, i know you're great and i was living there for many years. i went in school and i found plenty. busy fresh. busy the category information which i gave you my cell book but. ready magazine, so in this paper or something else, i'm fairly, we permission directly from the great ends including the rest of the bar to the end of the. ready of the french i think that to this address and the law who's the negligence and. busy okay, do people are waiting for the sluggish talk which of this. busy ready you know, additional, i'm just going to jump in that because we've just got a,

a minutes once i left and michael lost. what to you. how long can you crane keep defending itself as well? it should be defending itself for as long as it needs to the west. uh, allies should be providing ukraine with everything it needs. because once again, we are saying mr. put in weaponized food migration. uh to you know, the trade with the world. and um, if the ukrainians are not given everything they need, i assure you that this war will come to the door steps of many people around the world. it already is in terms of higher food prices higher. petra price is much more in security. so look, you, mr. zaleski has made it cleared, here in the united states and britain more recently to canada is that they're not going to give up on, in some territory to the russians. i think the russians should get tied into their heads and do the proper thing and just pull back to the 1991 borders. and otherwise they risk

a lot more damage to their society to their lands. especially with these new mentors arriving, that we do have to move our discussion today. thank you very much to our guests for joining us. andre background of the tele sacraments. so and michael, both kids and thank you to for watching. you can see this program again, any time by visiting our website. that sounds is there a dot com for further discussion to go to a facebook page that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. and you can also during the conversation on the x humblest of a j inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team here is 5 to now the the the

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