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hello down. welcome to the program. i'm nor a kyle, because of a is fragile piece is once again on the strain with sunday shooting of a policeman which led to a seat and a model street in which 3 ethnic sub gunmen were killed. those frequent tension in the south declared with public between the ethnic albanian cost of us and the sub minority in the north, international political efforts. the latest by the you have so fall, fail to find a loss in solution. the region has a population of just on to 1800000 people, but is the focus of big powers with east and west on the opposite sides of cost of a self declared independence and future. we'll be discussing all this and what's next for the cost of the with i'll guess in just a few moments. first, this report from fenton, one of the aftermath of a siege at a modest street in northern costs about a $1.00 police officer and 3 gunmen were killed in sundays,

shoot out cost of those prime minister says the attack was masterminded bytes. neighbor, serbia. what was that amount to us from the order we content and this criminal and terrorist attack, organized crime with political financial, logistical support from official mal grade is attacking country. serbia as president has denied any connection. he says, the interest of northern costs a vote is of its leaders making or you didn't agree what the score was. this is really the only corporate for all that is happening in the north of costs, or though, although those who helped him in the international community are also partly responsible, is alvin curtis attention has been rising in the region in recent months after controversial local elections and costs about its population has more than 90 percent ethnic albanian. but several northern districts are almost entirely made up of ethnic serbs. they want to autonomy and many we called at the vote that

led to the election of ethnic albanian mares in predominantly serbian areas. totes and brussels have failed to reach any solutions. the use foreign policy if he says both sides are risking their prospect of joining the block. we saw normalization that we would not be to be in the future for the, the cultural or certainly cause of the survey are risking to be left behind. we know this origin up on us are moving quicker diversity. the recent filing stems from long running animosity between the 2 sides, cost of, of declared independence in 2008. but serbia considered a break away province. it's recognized by the us and most of the u. china and russia oppose its independent status. in order to prevent more outbreaks of ethnic strife, pressure is growing on the 2 sides to find the lasting solution. bins and monahan for inside story i was bringing

all guests now and in belgrade. helena, even of so it'd be an offense list of associated research fellow at the henry jackson society in pristina down as long as the heads of we set to the cost of all center for security studies. and, and brussel, suzanne lynch, chief brussels correspondent for politico, a very warm welcome to all of you. have a, let's start with you. we've got the cost of a prime minister album. catchy once again. very quickly pointing the finger here at bell grade saying on groups all responsible for the violence in northern cost of a. but they also being state but troops all of a while. i think of course that that remains to be seen. i think we need to have a proper investigation into who these people are. how did they get the uniforms that they allegedly were wearing? how did they get the weapons that they've used? i think and in all of these cases, whenever we see escalation between cost about in serbia,

i think both the serbian and the cost of, of government immediately tend to point fingers to the other side of what plays play and responsibility on the other side. but i think i always liked the air on this side of caution and say when escalations like these happen when missing, this information tend to fly around from both sides. it's important to do a proper investigation and really see what actually happened there. and who was responsible, so it was, it's not the 1st time that we've seen such instance yvonne is in this region, have that been investigations of the past. hasn't been proven that that has been bel great involvement. well, i think of course, spell great involvement has been assumed and, and shown by many and many different cases. of course, the connections between subsequently start and bellwood politicians is also no secret to anyone. and of course bell, good price to increase and maintain as much influence over costs as low as possible . so connection is very clearly there. the question is to what extent this connection is this, how strong is it? and in this particular case, whether the serbian government was directly involved,

which the serbian government continues to deny. so i think we need to, we need to wait and see basically in until the previous investigations. again, i think neither serbia, nor costs of i have shown willingness to be completely fair and transparent in normalization talks and in other instances where cooperation is required. so of course, proper investigations are often lacking in costs of what was why. so it was definitely we'll get into the tools in just a moment down. first of all, what evidence does christina have? but there is sub involvement from belgrade in this one is in northern costs or by uh, well, uh, just uh, a couple hours ago. the coastal police uh, uh, oregon. i see a press conference where they show the arsenal of weapons and equipment they confiscated and is according to the cost a little. we start indication that the group was organized by a well known member of the number on the wrong call him on the kitchen. the, there are also the then very good connection between him and some elements in the,

in the civic engagement. i think the concern is here about the extent to which the russian elements because what perhaps behind this. but one thing i want to know, which is very important, is the nation from the certainly not the doc searching boston was immediately when this uh, when you went to the call, the time of the section started the so the searching goes to 40. yeah. did that make sure to inform the body that the explorer so now the reason and there were some pilgrims of the monastery binds were being held in weight positive. so i think what this dentist it prevented the potential abuse of the situation for uh, a much more a scrum authority and escalation and perhaps a group of expect it. so this is just the latest, isn't it? in a string of escalations that we've seen in this region in the past,

it really does feel like this bullet hall region is particularly on a knife edge at the moment. yes, it kind of series of incidents during the past year or so including can elections. it's up to you earlier in the year that were, that were organized in the north of comfortable for a fact to the point caused by the ethnic serve in the community there since the elections and when the possible to try to install the mer bro, he elected on a couple of percentage participation in this election after we've had a very strong reaction, really from the washington and we're, we're brussels. s. and is that an official, the name, the international community are using patients within the region for 2 countries? and particular, i think as, as wrong or average against the cost of leadership, asking them to step up a bit more. traditionally, you would see a different kind of language to become from washington, but we've had some very strong messaging toward the 40 governments. and so i think

this is going to do no to at here for either called on the call them or survey or russell just about 10 days ago or so that we have the, the president of serbia and the prime minister of colorado, in brussels. and were told they didn't really much in anywhere in terms of the civic, but this is definitely going to be further set by now about where things are going to go from here. done that has been a fair amount of criticism directed, particularly as the customer and prime minister alban kashi. perhaps suggesting that he's not being a fan, negotiate in this process by the actions that he's taking on the ground. as suzanne said, one of them being installing these ethnic albanian mass in the majority areas, why is he pushing in the way that he is? you will need to remember that the prime minister was the rat, a mastic campaign,

doing the national elections in ghost of all of the argument that the dialogue and i'm always ation of relations between goals. and so gay was highly, i've seen metric in till the tax amount of cost. and also he was staying critical of the process from the start. so some of the is position you can argue is based on his stance and his positions when he was in the opposition. what is important to notice the situation was not even possible where it seems of not the national collegian. this means the u. n. u ass cross the coastal government and but it also seems possible government doesn't trust any longer the international community. and this is a very dangerous situation because asked about half, you know, how do we move phone from this? he is, i think of having a c space action plan to implement the agreement that both parties accepted all the young leave in february of this year. the so called agreement on

a balance and no money station or relations and for the amount. so in this is the only additional costs as low as possible government to deliver on the stablish fund association or community of so much that we can sit down. i think this is about what it seems like. also, government expense is some kind of guarantees that moving in that direction of a stablish, this kind of mechanism will be accompanied by concrete steps that brings closer look closer to new york and innovation process. uh, because in the past, what has happened is that some of the commitments that were offered to kosovo uh, in any ton for meeting some, some that so like, uh, establishing this kind of boston photo glass or other, the forms. uh there was a mazda see, to me, the country halfway terms of the integration process. so with coastal expense, which is very important for the countries that the for not right. signatures done by you members, these the don't recognize score so but, but think of the 41 members of nato, perhaps the direction of accepting was,

was independence and cost. what has a clear fact the membership enable of perhaps also the partnership for peace. also sl, apply for membership of you and what kind of the status right now course is the only one among success and bought from countries in the state. the so this will go long way of building confidence. so we need to think of something that has, but it's, it is clear that goes on each, the establishing the ad. i know it does, he says that it will, he will not take the 1st step in this degree. she ation process towards normalizing relations. until so it'd be a, takes, a move, makes a move towards recognizing cost of a is independence, is ethics on the features, the precedence making, showing any signs of doing that, you know, president voltage in fact, just last night and his public address following the events that we've seen yesterday and cost of oh, has made it very clear that serve you will not ever recognize call so as an

independent states. so i think what it comes to serve you in making that move. i'm not sure that we're ever going to see that move happen. however, what i do think is also very problematic. and i think that's the reason why we've seen some strong messaging from the u. n. d, us towards the christian government is a court is basically now showing that he's willing to fulfill the obligation of his country has accepted all the way back in brussels. in 2013. of course conversations about serve you recognizing costs of are by no means you. but customer obligation to create the association of cert, municipalities pre dates. uh, many of the folks that we're hearing right now. it's a commitment comfortable as taken back in 2013, a commitment that was reiterated in the brussels and all kicks talks. that happened earlier this year, but whether and if it's all this kind of like association is going to be formed. now pretty much ends up in the air because it is made of clear this is unconstitutional and unlawful, according to the cost of the law and, and it has basically rejected the latest you proposal that stipulated that the association must be created the 1st and then other steps will,

will come into place and that's basically why we are in, in this deadlock, serbia refuses to recognize, comfortable as independent of one hand. and on the other hand, costs what was unwilling to fulfill the application. it has and creates the association of start municipalities. so it says that, hey, we all 2 sides more and more entrenched, refusing to bunch these talks of being going on for move in 10 years is a huge tiring of this intractable, complex. i think it is. i think of patients is begin to free. i mean the, with a lot of the place at the moment, not least, the war a new brand. i guessing that attention giving that attention and time to this, christina battery died all that it's nowhere near an apartment, but it's not how the jennifer moves you member state here. the other issue and it's be touched upon already, is the fact that he was having a huge conversation at the moment about an hour, but opening up the new member to the country. you want to join the you are how the

server and they are on the top or the west or going to the western bolton at 20 to want to join around various stages at the top of the t a, the year for the day. but it is all data should be in the file that delays, the rowing on the between the 2 side is going to have a detrimental effect on us. and to you is going to have a huge conversation about that in december. and it is almost, it's oh, meeting close had to stay potentially as a serbian, a leader of the call or president in spain are in early october, full about this idea of, of your key, the newness yet an organization that go beyond the you. so this whole discussion about oh, to allow you is problem centered here. we're going to bad and instead of having now and your comfortable definitely not quite set to signing the data now, but it's not going to be a major problem. notable call to try and pull in different ways to progress and

they're really into the what about says out on top of that i've done mention just a moment ago. these number of countries within the you who do not recognize cost of those self declared independence. how much of an obstacle is that? and could they not recognize the independence as a confidence building measure to then bring the 2 sides costa? and so a bit closer together. it's a big issue and the i'm in the room because a lot of the time is because of their own domestic considerations. so for example, space and have an issue, but recognize uncomfortable because of its own problem with break away made and 3. and now when you say to call them at college station, they hit their work and by law, pretty the countries to try and convince them to recognize that the ben stock number was number 2 is not a conversation about that. are there may be some kind of a halfway has that me okay, cool. it's not going to jointly you at the moment that you're trying to do,

but it may move toward that. there's a lot of conversation that different companies like you for a to west and both of you to buy maybe have a 2 tier system that they're kind of in and some cars from now on the other. so the kind of conversation you're having as, because no, that's an issue the continues are about it, but very much is the buyout for the, the other issue or for that survey is less keen on general items next down here. but you know, a lot of us involved with about hired wasting of trying to join the u. s. navy, that patient was made many years ago. and so the problem of service people actually was joining the you and now i live on the boat to see increase in data by russia and services in particular, where as opposed to the cost of a in particular do want to do an even better and solve for, for that other guy, now i had to keep in mind here, well, at the helena just on. so that's a good feeling. is that within so be a foot to join the you or is it more aligned with russia?

and don will come back to you in just a moment, a well haven't jackson society actually conducted research on this? and we've examined the level of pro russian sentiment and serve you as well as the appetite for joining the you. and according to that data, if the referendum you membership was held, tomorrow, more servers were would vote against joining the opinion that in favor which is extremely problematic. because that is the 1st time that we're actually seeing a flip in, in the volt. that would mean, so it would not enter the u and, and when it comes to russia, the support for russia is, is overwhelming over 50 percent of service, things that russia should be. serv. yes. for the 1st and foremost, foreign policy partner and even more so 78 percent of service believe that serbia should not impose sanctions against prussia so. so i think the political climate here is very much changing to for many reasons that susie mentioned. don, how much does that concern cost of, of the movement of bell grade towards most good.

well, i think it's uh, the relations between uh, serbia and ross are concerned with the whitening region in the west and bought them to you. i think rush along in stable west and boxes and, and the bass on this, the, but i said, well, we need to focus on is the speed sure. or the new opportunity, the past, the mazda suzanne, will say, on the emotion policy, the cost of the president, trust me, show me recent these, these that you'll be, should be ready for in boston to new members by twenty's, the, the unique opportunity, the, our region, the mass and we need to work towards reaching business partners and key reaching the starting. is that the region to be solved by lots of disputes into the discrepancy model region that it really states? no new members will be accepted the outstanding result of by that. so this use and for cost of a lot of some of the uh or purposely generally disagree under the pallet. tomato.

we just fundamentally funded for us. and to me, you goes to the dialogue for normalization of relations of sylvia. and just to be, uh, i think correct in february this year, uh prime minister, the empress um, which is bold, accepted the you offer the so about uh for the uh, agreement on the taxes on the stations of relations. and part of this deal is the obligation, again, for the cost of what to establish a sol, solved management mechanism for the subsidy. because when this is for the association of somebody doing this about this and that will finish here. so i think the government has accepted this on vacation, but the question is not gives you on going to establish this association of what kind of association you have. it should be provided be sufficient, useful, the subs living in the door to excise the it to become part of the cost to society . so this is the key question, and to do extra work association,

the world needs to be sequestered in a way where possible progresses towards looking to ration as well. but the thing that because they're talking about this association of the majority of municipalities, it's a key issue in tools and a, something book and talks up some damage weeks. it's ok about it being accepted as a way food. and yet prime minister kazi, is not testing is up. why is he not doing that? so just for the context of interest on the 13th from the 1st time, this was agreed to establish the association. that there was another view in 2015, and the constitutional court issued the birth date on the constitutionality of this mechanism. and decided on concluded that establishments of the association. i'm so mine's only thing that was developed is constitutionally a okay. in a way that isn't all legal obligations for coastal government for, for that. so in this out to this. absolutely right. and the coastal government

should come full and there's a proposal over the cost of dollars on how there's association so much that we can install it look like. but the key also going to do that should have been, but i know i still station we want give me here from united states. they say that the association fee and the coastal constitutional corps, but for many $1000.00 but know that perhaps is not sufficient. so it is fundamental that the discussion in a way and then the discussion is about the condo association. and so my goal is to balance is the needs both the needs of the subset of living possible as well as the concerns of that goes to the government. which in all cases, the idea of how the socialization can become a potential obstacle for functionality. okay, the duration of the state, the situation in boston. helena, could you just give us an idea of the why this solution a just give us idea of why this association is important?

why is it such a sticking point of how might it benefit subs living in northern cost of i well, i think obviously deserves who, who live in the north. do not want to see comfortable independent and all things considered would have preferred the cost of whatever declared independence. right. and i think for a lot of them, they have substantial concerns whether their rights would be protected if they would solely to fall within the legislation of the cost of old government. subsequently, the argument goal was given that we are to graphically located in this area. and given that we are the majority in this area, and given you know, the past differences, the conflicts, the history of the tool. these people believed that they have the right to to more autonomy and to make decisions for themselves. and that was basically the key argument that was presented. and i think right now in the aftermath of everything that we've seen for a lot of these people, correct, the government is, is unacceptable. and they would probably not feel comfortable living solely under the government and authority of mr. courtney, which is why i believe this assistance on the association has further increased on

top. of course the fact that this is a obligation, comfortable has indeed accepted in in 2013 and suzanne. we're talking about one issue here. there's a close another issue about the elections where the albanian ethnic mass wind stools, christina has said there will be new elections to replace them, potentially boycotted or not by the so as we'll have to wait and see. but that is another potential flash point. i mean, another one hasn't weigh another deadline at the end of this year, which we really should be looking towards because that's is for an end for sub issue license plates on vehicles. this deadline is already slipped because of the tensions that had quotes and the violence that had cool is what we think is going to happen towards the end of this year. if no headway is made around the negotiating table. well, i think the advantage is that i speak of the change the conversation around those 2 issues. as likely, we've taken

a number of the backwards as soon as we know the signing of any program between the 2 countries in the last few days and the out of the incident. so i think they're not going to be quite a marker by the government. the colorado has said that they are committed to having you elections, but very few yet of the bar to new elections will look like. that's the key issue. i mean they have the elections before the rock problem while they were not you know the, the, the serbia majority didn't burks agent for the day and then so it all depends on what kind of like you have. so that's number one and number 2 is a, you know, she said that and before the laces, i wait a virus. so i think it's joe, those change the dynamic, simulated with the number based on the 1st kind of sign that are written, you know, a re appearance of tensions in the area when over a year ago now, which was about as a right to house or number place for a certain community in on this call, very important symbolic c and

a very important issue. so i think the event, the last week of changed, added conversation right? about another letter. and there is some progress in the coming weeks before the deadlines and well i see the not much progress on either of those issues. do you agree with that? do you agree that the situation has taken steps backwards and there are a number of crucial flash points to look for to, towards the end of the year, the photos of the situation has become very stable enough, the deductible. and unfortunately, the, in a way, predicted this in this very also, i think it was the and however, as well with the calling just focus situation. and the a clear, the processor that it will produce a political solution that i think that will just be can increase for the more so we need to merge and return to the, to the dialogue. i think it is the responsibility to meet you to come forward with a sequence based action where it says,

responsibility typical. so government took off the proposal and establishing the system so much. i think that's about these, and i think it is the responsibility of all it's the lead us think also, and certainly a to send the right kind of messages and to refrain from restoring steps for the problem nice to can use because the service, the, it's not the norm a and the there are those living swamps coastal. okay. and i'm just sort of, i just want to just want to jump in the time because we've just got a less than a minute left. and helena, i want to know what you think it will take to see a real breakthrough and prevent move on. and i think one of the key things is for the you to actually find enforcement mechanisms. i think at this point we have seen rounds and rounds of talks where, you know, right now one person just walked out and absolutely said no before we've had some verbal acceptance as but nothing really signed. after almost every round of talks we see in other installation and each following escalation is worse than the one

before it. so i think that you really need enforcement mechanisms. i think at this point, if the sides are committed to something unless they do it, they actually have to be properly sanctioned. otherwise we're just going to keep on going into circles. and this really makes live that i cannot stress this enough of people uncomfortable. only mysteries incredibly difficult that i believe what we need, that we will have to leave on discussion today. helena, even though of donna laws and susan lynch, thank you very much for joining us here on inside story. thank you. as i can, you too for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting a website that's out there. adult calm under the discussion. do you guys? well, facebook page, that's facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x, i'll handle it as a j inside story from me, laura kyle and the whole team here. bye for now the

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