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hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much of your pocket stones provinces, along the asked and border, had been under relentless attack by the armed group to rick at. tyler bon, focused on. it's also known as t t p or the pockets. donnie tal. up on islam of odd accuses the taliban government in afghanistan of allowing these fighters to use its territory to launch attacks. the afghans tonight is we'll go to our panel in just a few moments. but 1st friend of mine has this report to an attack on a political riley in north west pakistan in july is just one of more than 300 res this past year. lamed on the t t p to rick, it's all about and pockets done. the army group, also known as the pocket stony tile about the government has found it increasingly difficult to maintain security. it gives the tell about and government and neighboring afghanistan, a providing fighters with a safe haven focused on has, unfortunately seen in recent months is spike in violence. and the terrorist attacks,

most of these attacks are being perpetrated by a t t p, which has centuries across the border in a fun. his son pockets, donnelly, telephones ideology, align closely with its ask i'm counterpart, it won't, stricter enforcement of islamic law and the withdrawal the military from some border provinces. but the taliban government denies supporting or harboring the group. and tcp has no hide out inside of got us done. but despite that talk hassan accuses ask um, so i love being used by the to reconcile about pakistan's enemies are within their own country for which we are not responsible. we do not allow them to operate from us. so what are the most pockets done security for? it has happened. stepping up operations against the arm group as well as police raids. the military conducted strikes across the border in 2022. there's also been some diplomatic success. the ask on telephone recently arrested 200 fighters within

its own jurisdiction. but with the elections and pockets done set for next year, pressure is growing to get the security situation under control. bins and bald headed for inside story. the, all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guests and it's talking about is what car fun it defense analyst and retired, bring it to your in the pakistan army in new york is always available here at jump lecture at the american university of afghanistan. and in london is the sean select dean, director of the center for regional and global connectivity at to bob lab, a geopolitical think tank and advisory service, a warm welcome to you all and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story. what car, let me start with you today. there had been a hundreds of raids this past year. that pakistan has blamed on the creek a tally bon pakistan or t t p. what's behind this surgeon attacks?

that is a very complicated situation, especially after the american below the last 2 years. and a box on a lot of some metrics is actually not really new. it's, it's, i wish the decades or, and fog a one borders one is being above the media because of the boot method intervention, i'm not going to history was the, so we'd union and then the us. so definitely they're being forwarded jim chance us as last, i think, 40 or 50 years. so definitely that going to be instability. now that that aspect of wireless is because of fraud. duty fees, audiology and probably a bunch of tests that can get a cdn for the workshop. the americans are probably 2 d, b cordaris record and boarding region of microsoft. and i think there is some, some support coming from will let us on, has been nursed more than i think progress on a one. a son problem is not becoming an international problem at all. if you listen to the most of the former defend yesterday, i think that with the image it by the for the and then people are countries even

outside the image. it better for you all based on sun and off the i want the bunch of dismantled minutes and the height outs and been 10 groups. so i think it's not a drumming and international problem. but definitely in case of the ttp who has access to the also for lead. yes. so i'm not able to look for the spring do the whole let us start, i think, and just do you want that in mind for different down there can be a major chain, a set of test, fax and bucket start are concerned. and i think data is being used as a leverage will draw certain concessions for progress on and also to be a space for the bump august on the for the you know, for the strategic interest, what car i also just wanna make sure we're clear on one thing when you mentioned that your answer t t a. were you talking about the taliban in afghanistan to yeah, exactly. to do me that them government in the want us on. i see the kind of final question. what part may i also ask you um the partners don says the country's

intelligence and security officials have concluded that most of these attacks are being carried out by ttp pack us. donnie tyler bond has packaged on shared that intel or evidence with that kind of sense. i think the amount of time, especially if you look at 2022, i think price there has been a forwarding is going to be less it, especially the presenter mr. investors are also brought me along with that i think the highest ranking got done. yes. also. so then middle 2 offices and i think it was covered in lot of detail. the shared the problem with pictures of some of the a to d. b, lead to you and you know, a dining or staying or being sponsored by some of the sections within that to do it . that is definitely, uh, uh, i think plus time does she have parks. i was formerly known as dr. speaking about publicly that you must have heard about the problem in that them a foreign minister and done a prime. this to us speaking from our united mission, german assembly for them that this has to stop and actually look at what has

happened to walk this thought. i think dumbs are forced ingle for team and, and find refugees that are brothers and sisters and all you have almost 1000000 in the builder from just so and that's also been a very difficult situation. so i would say the evidence that the insured on i think though it is very easy to are doing so intently as to who want to diagnose and service. i think it ever does. so glad evidence has been shared. it's entirely up to do it to knock on digit and stop it. oh, but let, let me turn to you next. as you've heard the last few moments um, you know, pakistan has been accusing the top of mind government in afghanistan of providing ttp fighters with a safe haven. what does f ganeth stand say to that charge on the 1st? so thank you for having me on. so it was a pleasure being here, but also this accusation is as old as time itself. i mean, there is always been an element that the by kasanya authorities are worried about are concerned about it has to be in

a before this is different elements before that. if you look at the other side, the other ones would actually see that. but this one was doing the same thing. it has been doing the same things to consecutively, games in a song and then claiming that the border itself cannot be controlled. there are few things we have to be very mindful off. there is a question of employ of, of origin also thought of one which does not originate in us on this one. so we have to be very clear on that. then there is a question on the base of operations. their base of operations is not inside of a sudden we have to be very clear about that as well. but then if there is a worry about a separation from the top to bottom in the sun with a t d, b and buckets on, do you have to understand that the have done more than any of the gene before this? the have already be clear? if there is a specific loyalty off, can you be fighters to the leader also by the why they have announced a decrease that people are not supposed to go in or really just you hot outside on a stomach. so they have very clearly signal to their own factors. they are,

that have happened or another indicator of how much corporation is being done. you have to see that the most causal somebody, the moscow meetings that are mentioned earlier, based upon the volume for their efforts for containing a stress to the region and the globe. so turns out all the neighbors aren't happy, the united states is happy, we saw them in the door how meeting with the bundle, by praising them for their efforts. encountered an insurgency in counter terrorism . however, part of song seems to be the only unhappy neighbor. what i'm saying is there are problems and these problems can only be solved once we get out of the personal this, them all prisoners item uh can only be reuben wants to serve their breathing incorporation doesn't happen. so grand gesturing on media, accusing the pottery barn and basically forcing a problem that is used to another country like they are responsible for it. okay, the if this continues, are you concerned that this could turn into

a conflict between afghanistan and pakistan? the short answer is no, but we've had skirmishes on the borders. we have to understand that there are national sentiments involved, that they are people within applying a son who do think that the bug kasanya authorities are as of august on the regina hasn't played a positive role, hasn't help secure the border health enforce the tanya barn and bring them to power as they are today. and so the current deterioration in relationship partially is because of the pocket funding policy towards the front of the box, not giving it enough agency. it's not respecting itself, vanity. on the other end, i think that the bottom might be over correcting as well because they've been accused of being focused on proxies for so long that they have to show that they can be ard on progress on. however, like i said before, the deterioration of the ties doesn't help anyone. it actually hurts both the regions on across the border and the people,

the people end up suffering the one so that makes sense is trying to de escalate some find a way forward. however, recognizing the basic model, they are not. ringback as an agent enough by itself, they're not based there. but if you want to corp, we can have that to rational diplomacy. is each on you heard a way to live there talking about the deterioration of the relationship. i want to get your opinion on this from your vantage point. how, how, how much of the ties between pakistan and afghanistan deteriorated at this stage? i think the ties have deteriorated tremendously over the last 2 years, especially there was a range of mechanisms and more formal and informal instruments the farthest on to bring to bear on. i've got a son both be funny with james and bought the car is a james to try and negotiate of the way out of whatever it was that was a point of concern at that particular point in time. but of those things, it seems no longer have the kind of effect the either $1.00 to $2.00 or had hoped

would be an effect on the con balaban. in fact, i would argue that specifically in 3 areas. so for example, cross border trade and transactional trade. the rescue prices that exists and box on and has been there since 1979, as well as the visa origin, that being medical visas and education visas being denied at the border crossings for i've gotten citizens entry into boxes. some of these are some pressure tactics in the box on historically used to bring to bear a certain amount of a, you know, force on i've got a some of that so far. it does not necessarily seem to have worked with. they've got some, and i think it's a little more nuanced than just, you know, once i'd be right or the other side being right. or the fact of the matter is that despite, i've done this on saying that the be does not operate. i don't have done this time that you want to report from the security. a security committee, specifically states, somewhere between $3505500.00 fighters active to, to be fighters inside of the borders of i've got

a strong. those are established facts. that's not the state before one, definitely for another. and it also must be fed that it's not easy for me. i've got thought about either, you know, conduct a full blown product down on the ttp considering as look at funds. i've said the ideological alignment that exists between the 2 and the fact that one of the 1st things that happens after august 15, 2021 by the i've got the month to the recovery. was that the, the, the leadership of swear allegiance to the, to the leader, have the funds other unsure to you know, swear by them. the last thing i will just say in response to something that the said to me is one of the finest minds to come on down to some of the history. is that in creating a degree that this allows signers to, you know, attack target decided progress on in of itself is not going to be sufficient to somebody to be. and there's something to be said about how if a country says there are no fighters on

a soil that are planning attacks against august long and then also arrests. 200 of them. something is a disconnect somewhere. is this sean? let me also ask you guys, want to take a step back for a moment. um, how much of a security threat does the ttp, the park is on the top of on ppos to park is on and in the region. and that's a great question. the bulk of the print is actually contained to what we call the bible belt. that is the southern credit book. the problem is and the normal village of on problems with 2 or 3 fairly and exceptions. on january 28th of this year, the conduct of the bombing and the city of the shower, which killed $81.00 police officers and then conducted another rate uh at the police chief headquarters. and the city of garage is our largest city. in the middle of fed fallen by as one of your presenter said the attack on the political valley in july. this b 3 attacks very specifically to indicate that they have some additional level of urban english and struck capability that goes beyond the tribal belt. and of course, there's a huge problem for the state of armstrong,

as you might know between 20082015. the cdp was predominately responsible for an entire campaign, but spend the length and breadth of the country going somewhere north of $7500.00 people on a yearly basis until a very concerted kinetic operation call operations that have been lost on june 15th 2020. effectively dismantled the group. so the effect is very much contained to a particular geographic region. it's been part of some with the okay, little flip edge and the inability focused on security apparatus. the flip, the, the terrorism doesn't change as it tries to turn into a target, the target urban centers. what are the shot mentioned there that the, the aft can tell him on recently arrested 200 fighters within his own jurisdiction . i want to ask you if that is something that has in any way help to try and repair the relationship between pakistan and afghanistan. yeah, i think it is that a significant move by that you just ship and i'm sure if you looked at the strip,

i'm coming from las performer before that the for 7. and now i'm going to central savannah is the sports establishing district is one thing been done in general government at another. and if you look at the contribution and just to take a bite of august on, has it done for the defendant, the bundle g. is the diploma regularly industry conferences recognize the one in stock including the investor uncomfortable candice from above and dentist? i think so many other liberties, i would say a lot of the trade especially, you know, that being the brothers and sisters then people also come for, you know, depend on education and diplomacy and everything. including, you know, the food in goals from it. or we even have an internal claimant, that is something that is an extra favor. so these are the positives, and i'm sure if you can build up on that ship, that isn't the only thing i and i think are bunched on newsprint. unfortunately, as i mentioned, there are full measurement dimensions or somebody blames that. you know, if i responded via these other 6 sections,

so i don't think so we are in the box started back. but of us go to new general, undermining these countries. but you graphically, most of our pause stomach yesterday with a lot of stuff out for preferred what beautiful diet bunfield almost 9 you know, difficult decades. and if somebody said that people don't bucks on drinks, i think we just adjusted bucks on just adjusted to the situation right with the international community and shouldn't, right? when i was, i think the blame should also go with those 2 supervisors who theater, so much of estimate or do you understand anybody unfortunate or so? but on the door, i think gustin of both sides should vote for beast. and guess what i'm seeing internship is betty simmons and they know understand the pressure in terms of, you know, human rights and mondays. there's so many other things to the mind. i think that can be a very good uh, just shit and marks on has it on it. but i think you've seen the another who at the dentist faxed, i'm going on, you've been other beach bed mushrooms working and i don't know what kind of style

drank group. i forget what car also i want to ask you about the fact that the tend to be the park. something tyler bond has been intensifying. attacks on pakistani security forces is this essentially meant to send a message to the state that the state is not able to stop them. yeah, i think there's a lot of, i think, uh, i received the, the new pause and all the portraits. just imagine the 1000000 the, the been that it all ponds staying in progress. i don't know who's doing what so, so definitely they can order, sneak and not the attack, especially in favor of doing fine purchase dot edu and things that i've been sent to the state has been, i think quite thing to work from boston records. and i think it had been manufactured the dispatcher, and by this type of the gartner, pressures boxed off has to definitely this. yeah, there will step up. and i think you're just part of that liberty of data, them for boss, or bring concession both due to be probably fees there in us to find the part, but they can get some space. now the rest of this, you know, this is something off of control as they had, you know, before, to make it

a person of the bargain. much that, i mean, but i'm sure the chief is determined. he's very clearly said that 0 thought us for rob at that is i'm, i'm going to is going to fight them. and so maybe they can test it in the box, not them energy or does done it from das boot diggers. so it can, i think good for another one us, i'll be the, are there concrete steps that can be taken at this stage to improve the situation and, and from your vantage point, could we see any kinds of negotiations or talk start again going forward? um yes um i think there is a lot of school the son is. ready is trying to, he is a wonderful person himself. however, we have to correct that to you and report that he mentions was the bunk by us agencies. us security agencies debunk better board, said that the numbers were not correct. that the data that they had was different we saw welcoming off the improvement all squared on the security funds by the

united states, the state department, and they'll have a few months ago in the mascot format as well. we heard a discussion about the arrests that have happened, right. and whether it makes rational sense for the teacher be not blue exist. there's a difference between the positive buttons being there and the very large order type is in boxes. ready to control something on the box, i mean, the parties have been saying for the past 20 years, when they were accused of collecting the one positive one across the border and use pockets time as a safe haven. there were fighters of coverage started innovation army that the pockets on these were very concerned about. somehow they aren't concerned about them any more than the past 2 years. that shows that the one have provided guarantees that there have been improvements, including the arrests that were mentioned earlier. yes, we do believe that united states for the militant and cd and ready to come to some as well. we blame other actors as well. however, part of sunday to have a central role. and just to clarify that this, the dp doesn't originate in a lot of stuff, it's really important to remember. but also you have to understand that there are

security failures. we're heart broken by the attacks happening in focused on we think that they should be stuff, the bucks dining authorities and the wrong authorities, whatever they can do to the 5 to authorities and find us on the have the corporate and find a way to make it stop, however, you have to understand that internal politics sometimes demands that you do not own up your own security failures and have someone to blame it on. i think that very often happens with up on this on their own, the agencies under what that does in the long run. is it going to help you? but you're right now, but it's really deteriorated to people to people contacts between uh why it's what we gotta do right now is when we have to have security cooperation, they gotta have a joint national security council meetings between them. something they megan stevens is capable of doing with the boss, and even fighting with years. so why is it impossible for bucket spunk producer? there can be corporation. there can be ways of stopping the elements from if there

are operations that are a concern, they have to be stopped. but just the strength of rigor ongoing as each other and blaming each other does not really help relations is each on uh, it looks like you might have wanted to respond to what will be della was saying, i will let you do that if, if you did want to but i also want to ask you about the fact that pockets on security forces have been stepping up operations against the ttp as well as police raids that have been conducted. the military conducted strikes across the border in 2022, mike packaged on carry out those kinds of strikes again. you so the only thing with horizon strikes have been a controversial topic and boxed on from the simple reason. the strikes that we did conduct in april of 2022, did not necessarily kill any to be fighters. and instead of potentially, i ended up harming civilians on the i've gone side of the big reason for this is of

course because us trooping forces i pulled out of got us done. we don't have access to the same level of funding telling us, but we used to inside of a bonus on and it did become a bit of an embarrassment for part time. not to mention the fact that as well as also say a friday and these kind of or the horizon strikes and extreme kinetic measures really shouldn't be of the last resort. going over 20 years by august on has been speaking about how the problem and i've got a strong can only be solved through negotiation. and we saw that happen on february 29th of 2020. the 1st formal legitimize ation of the i've got the button to the agreement between the united states and the account on the bottom of that, of course, is very much serves as a, as a baseline document for how the bunch of conduct itself as far as its international commitments are concerned specifically regarding counter terrorism, and as far as a bonus itself is concerned, uh, you know, i very much agree that it's very much and strategic imperative for bucks on to see a stable process. i've got a son that has dramatically escalated, it's

a trade regime with barbara strong because as far as the don't she gets has been the 2 sides a concern. while the negotiation between the 2 d, b and the g o b is extremely unlikely at this stage, considering the 2 sides. one things will be on the side simply will never agree to the negotiations, b, b i. e a and the g o p, and the continued thoughts are absolutely essential. we saw some positive news coming out of the box on special on what to have done this done about your, on the, on the and be active for minister. i mean with the be on september 22nd, where they have come up with this plan to try and neutralize to be present inside of a gun this time. but of course, that can very much be at, on the, with some of the more pronounced nuances that exist as far as the connections being the ttp and the id that is concerned is the. so we don't have a whole lot of time with, but i want to ask you about the fact that the progress on the government is really under a lot of pressure to improve the security situation ahead of elections next year. what can be done to improve the security situation to so the security situation had

to be less exactly a very, very good point. elections generally speaking are, is soft target for these groups. and i mentioned earlier in the box on the seems to be no longer concern with the be elated that factually is not correct. the b a is actually a part of a much larger group of organizations called the b r a s. and they have been consistently conducting attacks and focused on what since the beginning of this year, they're been close to $300.00 and the vast majority of them over 90 percent been conducted by the to be. so that's a personal reason why so much attention both for the state and the security apparatus is on. but as far as what you've been do, i mean it's beating up security especially around the election rallies, making sure, and the department of law enforcement agencies in key areas of concern. as well as extensive fund intelligence and ivy or silver intelligence based operations. especially inside of august on are absolutely necessary, while simultaneously putting multilateral pressure on the i've gone down the button to contain the situation on their side of the border of the waste for over the we

only have a couple of minutes left, but i just want to ask you, we talked earlier about the fact that there had been this arrest of 200 or so t t p fighters in afghanistan and, and obviously that's a move that some impacts on have praise. do you think that there will be more gestures of this nature going forward? there can be, like i said, the decrees were given stopping fighters from going into buckets on, on finding their the arrests are happening. however, if i find this funds that area will solve, brenda, t is violated. the disciple of tardies have no other option but to seize cooperation. there has to be respect for the opportunity off upon us on not doing so. ready hers, any corporation we can have so only rational thinking coming out of this prisoners, tyler ma, stop accusing each other and actually seeking each other's hell and contextualizing what we are saying. and what we're thinking for thought about how stop the, from operating against focused on the how of done the rest of the fighters they are

offering to help. what else can be done, other than actually sitting down and sharing information where we can improve? and i really wish things improve because at the end of the day, the cost is paid by the common people at the bottom funny business bundle of access to a lot of fund of ones don't have access to boxed on. we're joined by the heavy pots on such a large order, and basically there is so much spin over nothing. it doesn't help one of us, if things deteriorate. all right, well we have run out of time to we're going to have to leave the conversation there . thanks so much to all of our guess what car fun of a deal about here. m z sean select dean. and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website obviously, or dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ag inside story. you can also during the conversation on tax r handle is at ag, inside stores for me and how much enjoying the whole team here,

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