taken over the other a we do not know, i think currently the goal is to prevent the fighting to continue with the very de totally delegate incidents ongoing within. these are the border. i think the storm went to take action against the military wing of come up is a willingness to prevent for this connection to audit any i've seen a we spoke before about lab and on and you'll be told. and these are things that he said he's not interested in. and so i think that's what we would see in the coming field or whatever the tactics. and we used to achieve that. i think it's difficult glockland dissipate. if this child does launch a ground defensive, where does it go through next? it doesn't really link to the gun defensive because they're politically strategic ground. no such a cycle. violence would be the same. whatever tactic is being gold plated. yes, we're defining. that's a fed is about taking applies from the, from us and losing having to do, and that's made to the capacity. and the demand of difficult could be achieved only

by one model for action or the other. so i would say the tactic is being used, isn't he made it to the old or world and did 2 things can be discussing permanent. hasn't been us up for the has the capabilities of how mass come as a surprise, launching an attack like this, by land, by air and so on. a yes, what happened was the surprising or there were discussions in the bad seeing, this is it for now to come us would like to see happening. so i think defense of surprises about they actually implementation of different value that it was made possible and happened. and so it's not on here to supply from come up. it's also the surprise of always that it was expected to be able to. it did, it was such a situation prevented. and this didn't happen indeed populate also to political discussion with the needs. and it happens was the last month about where the focus of this government was in a way that it wasn't the issue, didn't serve the best. these are into the, into us. all right,

thank you very much for your analysis on that. appreciate your time nimrod gotten very clear. and that's just remind you of the license developments in this top story that we've been following. have been more gone backgrounds between is ready forces and palestinian sciences in i should go on fighting continues in several areas of southern as well as being an escalation on the 11th. and israel buddha has belong claiming responsibility for molto strikes from 11 and into the occupied shut off funds is really out is right. the alternative re fi followed and local media in agencies reporting a police officer has killed 2 is why the taurus in the city of alexandria us present, and joe biden has vowed to support as well. and his warning against countries into feeling and israel. let me say this is clearly as i can, this is not a moment for any party hostile the israel to exploit these attacks,

to seek advantage the world is watching. i've also been in contact with the king of georgia, spoke with members of congress direct and my national security team engaged with there is rarely, counterparts, military to military intelligence, to intelligence department, to apply to diplomat. make sure israel has what it needs some quite gammon. thousands of protesters of also marched across several cities to show the solidarity with palestinians. hundreds of people celebrated in the rainy and capital wrong. following how much is a tax on israel crowns? riley, the palestine squire waving palestinian flags and chanting, anti israel slogans, and upon them in their writing and peas, voice the support for the unprecedented attack on the as well. most of in jordan is in washington dc. dosage of body is live into the wrong that stopped though in washington dc with roles and in jordan's always seeing american politicians take

a familiar patent of backing is round at the time of conflict to uh, that is correct. uh. you've not seen any uh over a criticism of israel in this situation of anything you have seen full throated support, not just from the by net ministration, but also from members of congress, whether republican or democratic. this is perhaps one of the few issues in latter day washington where politicians of both political parties agree that the us is national security is very much tied to that of israel. and that there is a commitment to ensuring that israel does what it needs to do. and that it has what it needs in order to protect its citizens. now there is a rolling of sediment that uh, the treatment of palestinians. both in the occupied west bank as well as in garza

needs to be dealt with that is well needs to be held accountable for it. but you don't hear as much about that as you do about the need and the right of israel to protect itself. and that is according to policy issues from both political parties . all right, we're all set and stay with us for a 2nd. cause that we're going to try and do here. now does it show you as always, all sides of this conflict in story and also your bonus? joining us from tyler, on having listened in as, as rosa was explained to us the perspective that emerging from the body politic in washington dc. it's a very different narrative in perspective into ron. right? dosa is certainly sami. this has been seen as a historic victory, not only for the palestinian resistance movements, but also for the palestinian people, which is a cause that is very close to the leadership here in iran. disapprove liter. it's

a lot of the harmony has not directly commented about the events that unfolded over the past 24 hours. but it just a few days ago. on october 3rd, he was speaking at an event and he spent most of that time talking about how israel is a cancer that must be eradicated and how the palestinian resistance will prevail. as very interesting comments from the supreme. there are just days before what happens in palestine and israel. we also saw the social media accounts of the company put together very quickly. and a montage of pictures of what we saw yesterday in places along the border between garza and israel. and where the supreme leaders words in previous speeches when he was talking about the resistance movements of the palestinian people over the pictures of what transpired on the ground. so i think it's very telling the leadership here has had a very strong position and

a close relationship with the policy it a little short leadership since they came into power. here. after the revolution of 1979, it's a very close ideal logical relationship as well. israel is, as iran's public enemy number one, every unveiling of a new miss saw or as a drone program that iran has a they make a point of saying how long it would take that missile to reach tel aviv. the last time we saw that was just a few months ago in june, i believe where iran unveiled a hypersonic ballistic missile. and they said this would take 6 minutes to reach tel aviv. i think that's very telling after the events that unfolded over the past few hours to all right, rosen and stay with us and then go banks, a dose bank to rosalind. and there's a line that just dropped rosamond, which is this is according to is really me do should point out because that area we

have a figure of 400 dead from the is right. the ministry is helpful now is writing media reporting. the number of these really dad in this attack has jumped to 500. that's 500 dead. and the last figured we had 4, those wounded was over 2000 rolls. and i'm wondering, you know, the packing of conflicts that we've seen in the past between these are island garza have resulted almost exclusively in launch numbers of dead and wounded reserved. usually for the palestinians in terms of really mass numbers. this time we're seeing a big number of casualties on these riley side. certainly bigger than the nice thing we've seen for a long time before. is this going to in any, any sign that this is going to shift the discourse from the thinking in the us that it's time to deal with the root causes of this any space in the narrative, the talk about ending occupation ending siege rather than just going from one round

of violence to another as well, you're already seeing among the pundits who are publishing snap editorials and i think pieces that this is putting the is rarely palestinian conflict. back at the top of the agenda for the bi and harris administration. if there had been the so growing assumption that this particular conflict was not a top priority, especially in light of the issue of ukraine and the issue of china. but certainly, given that this has now come back into the public discourse, political analysts of the original uh, strategists, are now saying that the us needs to bring it's a good offices to bear and to try to deal with this question once and for all. in

fact, there had been the suggestion that perhaps it was sitting aside. you know, this makes setting this aside as a priority because it was trying to build on something that had been started by the trumpet ministration. the abraham accords trying to build political alliances and political recognition between israel and more of its arab neighbors. and this was certainly something that many people were expecting could be coming to fruition if saudi arabia and israel were to agree in the coming months to recognize each other officially entered open diplomatic relations. well, that was now becoming much more complicated because the saudis had been one of the advocates for the palestinian people. and there were a growing up thought that the saudis essentially were setting aside that advocacy role in order to build this diplomatic relationship. well. now how do you marry the

2? there is no one a resolution or one agreement she or in washington on how this can be settled. i would imagine that this would lead to many discussions, particularly given that the united nations security council is meeting later on sunday to talk about the new crisis at hand. but certainly the bigger discussion now is of how do you deal with the question of a still on formed on a legalized palestinian state with the larger issue of trying to bring peace to the greater middle east. this is something that the us and its allies, not just in the region, but in western europe. and really in other parts of the world are now going to have to grapple with whether or not they feel there is bandwidth to do so. all right, let's thank both of our forces for the excellent reporting different sides of the

world, rosen and jordan, that washington dc and joseph giovanni joined us live from test, ron joining me now here is tom of kind of most he's a golf and native professor of public policy and the, the institute of graduate studies good to have you with us again. so let's start with this jump in numbers. now 500 is really dead over 2000. this of course is according to his writing media sources on quoting this. if not a game changer, is this going to prompt something of a recalculation in thinking about the security balance of powell, the nexus in the region? that's a very good question. suddenly i think it's, it's most i mean because of the nature of the event. but since i mean from my middle to perspective, this is a huge fan of 4 is that i was minutes about this intelligent others. and also it's a game changer in the way, uh, like an awarded search of what was up for, i mean,

so for many out of countries. i mean, even globally, i mean investments have been in the gallery of armies, but now we're talking about many show what folks i think possibly i've been hearing some of this book and about how much the learning from tactics and you can, if i show it as well, so this convention of will know was over. so no matter how big colors is here to autumn, you know, you cannot control many shows or small groups fighting, organize, having events, weapons and techniques. what? so this is also a big message within thought out abrasion which have for vicious words with these that i and that it's fun to think differently as what we are with many countries especially. and i mean the contents to have normalized and investing in big deals, buying pushes and weapons. i mean the, the use of motivation as a security perspective, also to get to acknowledge the best technology for me is that i am. so i think then thought event is very shopping for is the way this will change the minute 3 bucks with enough for this conflict. but see, but they thought globally as was because this is new. what 1st of all,

and the new strategies that are being employed. so from that perspective, i think it's a game changer, the big time. right kind of course we should ment, and that is not only a high number of these really casualties. civilian casualties has also been a lot of palestinian casualties and palestinian civilian casualties. we've heard reports coming in today of civilian homes in garza as well as buildings being targeted, being bombed, in some cases. and they tend to, and you got reports of 2 families losing 20 family members in one attack as a native of gone. so just a toll from the street level of what it means to have a life on the occupation. and on the 16 years of siege of what parts best suddenly i can share my personal experience of what i mean i've been outside the. busy over the last decade, but i'm to know as to live with the all my living under conditions and guys. it's

again, it's a, it's an open one of the largest open the presence of the, of the world. since also, in fact, 90 percent of the young since have not been able to from an outside guys. they don't know anything of the outside world over there to see if is for media and the tea. uh yes it is. the latest i'm not inside goes up, but you can see it is it was presence in the, on the ground in the see because the blockade is vicious. so, but a students kind of do anything without it as approval. and then finally, you and special wrap a tool set in 2021. quote is what remains the occupying power in garza, although it demolished at several minutes. removed it 7 is 2005 it's. it's has a comprehensive land. evan c bookcase literally is that it has been all of us using this technical issues up to us. we withdrew from guys, but i mean, yes, the terms of ground truth. exactly, but this thinks that on government, they control every aspects of, of, of, of living in does that, including, i mean, fishing like and so pushing zone like, you know, i could be called should,

whatever is right. and is stopping any of the development because i've been developing over the last 2 decades. there is no prospect for whole or normal having a normal life and does it because of incidence. suffocation often thought a split. so is that a legally, it's been in control of guys and literally from outside i'm from inside is what, because whatever is happening inside it's controlled by your ability to explore the thing for providence that the all these basic human device, some provide stevens, i love goods and foods and anything like that, i don't think i was supposed to is that i was approved, but so that's a problem. it is a love's present. and that's what, what then thought what has to know about because it is, it is the present, a lot of civilian suffering fully occupied. the policies in this case, there is some civilian suffering, quite a significant civilian suffering so far it for the occupier side. and this is natalie, i raise the issue of civilian casualties on these really on these rightly side with osama come down to see me a spokes person for how i'm asked. and he said specialists

a part of the occupation this is very important point to me. figure out who the last 20 is, is and how the tax again does and killed thousands of 1st team in savannah. and no one has any comment to i. i was to, but as of them to by then talking about standing beside is a is and it's that tax against the but a scene. and so it says, i kind of what could i see who's not talking about the stevens were being killed? yes. that they are for so many team members 70 chabad, somebody would have killed this night. why is there any bumbling and then at as try can on the on house where there is no, many times they're they went on mississippians. why when you are talking about the stuff that i'm talking about civilians like before, the steam is do i talking about city? that's what i'm to can run. but what is that? it's what these rate is. if these varies

a targeting and killing innocent palestinians civilians that does not mean international. it's acceptable for power steering the target until not that is the didn't drive it's month accepted to a tech civilians at golden sense. i'm not sure low as well. so the come back to my question, why may i read to a statement by amnesty international, which is condemning the targeting bias rail of palestinian civilians. but it's also condemning in the state and by october, the 7th saying palestinian groups must refrain from targeting civilians and using indiscriminate weapons ex, amounting to all crimes is i'm just here when i have to say that you have to differentiate between the levels and the civilians. disclose that pulled into the international law the i'm up to feed in the out of all, don't they, they attack but for the same is that they, they in fact truant to the, against the,

for the statements. so we will have to differentiate between both of issues, the sven's and the 5th left for a mazda, for them to the show laws, civilians. and we were the say, what my, which is, well, i'm gonna see thing firing rockets, all indiscriminate weapons that can hurt and do hurt civilians. when we hope we hope that misty can add the international community to either to may come in for the competition or to as them to send a more. busy or develop blue funds to a tech just to only the soul just because we are my target single parent for specific means you know, that is a huge amount of civilian targets inside that to buy last month. thing for to, to it's how much is month and going to all the time. you can think of them. we have to clear that the 6 letters, they are part of the to patients and the sit loves the part of the on. is there any

the power that i'm not knowing i'm assuming it is as they are named all the time. all right, and and tyler is here once again, thomas luke, just in case you've just joined us as a golf at night is a professor of public policy at the del, hey, institute. so continuing off of that, this line has just dropped on the back of that exchange i had with the spokes person for how much it's about. civilian is really civilian casualties. well this line is just dropped that according to his riley, a far as he's now the death toll, the death toll from that attack from the fighting has reached at least 600 is really is. i mean, this number is growing exponentially is not. i mean it's, it's growing, it's growing fast is how many does this also change something in the regional dynamics we were on the path with a lot of our countries signing up to make peace normalize relations with israel

while the occupation could be looked at as we can just ignore that when you have launch numbers of civilian casualties on these rays and the palestinian side, you know, does that change that dynamic of just pretending look, see all the way from the, the occupation and we can pretend like there's nothing that ok, the sun is that's, that's a very good question and somebody to give it the fit on. so for me, my opinion is we have to distinguish between 2 positions, that of governments of the genes from one side and the population from the other side. i have a most believe that the 1st thing and cause is a very living and i life cause among many my oldest about operations. now the government, the reasons to go and do normalization deals with is that i uh for security reasons or whatever reasons they want. i think i'll go back and to, to, to cite what

a smart and i need to say yes of the any existing or how much leader. and he said if, if, if the, if these companies will have a little more, i think that normalization will get an even security at the expense of 15. is this what is the biggest prove that is what kind of defend itself for this large number of casualties and sadly significant this on both sides. also, a bunch of the numbers are big and it's better to get the bill. however, from this perspective, from the security perspective, from the notion is that yes, we can do more new form normalization at the expense of the students and over looking at the 1st thing in the course. i think as we talk now, there must be question because translates in today's and the comforts of these governments we would ask for nobody's ation. and i hope that is that he vision more or less of the entire doctrine of normalization. what does it mean and what, what added value does have been for these countries in this context, ignoring a single lights and going for these as to, to get security or bandwidth and time. and always,

are we likely to say any shift in thinking, any revision as you put a also in washington dc. let's face it, the major international power broker in the world right now, right. i, i dealt with one big reason and i blamed out of the countries and especially influential out of countries who have not use the level as with the us. so the sofa adjusts the piece for the philistines, a normalization of fighting boy quotes. i mean, oldest flushing had taught him to pursue it. of course, the biggest thing that but his son has not become an issue in washington anymore. and especially with the changing globe as soon as we're with what's happening in the canadian taiwan china, i need the use of the solution is very busy now with visa, managing big issues or globally, and it left in particular of the kind of thing and method. and the countries, especially the ones who normalize out of governments, i'm literally more or less ignored. i mean, ignoring kind of seeing ation issue since we're talking about revisions and

thinking was something over a vision and thinking going on within the palestinian camp, where we've seen the palestinians getting fed off with the status quotes, getting fed up with the state. this quote of far as he's in groups, the emergence of new groups like the lions den. and is this maybe a way by how much to say, hey, we are still relevant here. how about us by doing this, of course is indicated that it's very relevant and it's very thoughtful and it's setting a new president of resistance on the public, live it in palestine. i'm sure there's some 50 and there is more or less support for this kind of, for this us because since i mean the system sectional phase that i mean for the scene as i've been subject to the bone. ok, ruth and a good patient and it's, it's this that the school cut up continue. and logistics piece also has been an opportunity for uh, $4.00 to $4.00 is 4 days it onto on that sensor community to give them your

thoughts on a student and to have them have their independence. they the fact that even the piece from time i'm going to put a students, which is the p l. o. then the oldest will piece agreement has been rejected and has been more or less neglected and ignored and ignored by the same at the national community. that was products. i think this leaves no hope for the, for the students, but to resort or to even add both for this i'm going to think tactics to fight back fluids, but then there's no option to that for them to look at. ok. that being ignored. so thank you so much for coming in sharing your perspective of. let's go to rome reynolds, he's joining us now from the gaza. israel board. and what can you tell us about these continued classes? i'm continuing rising is really casualty tall uh, 600 rubbish. the license figure that way, hearing quoted by from the israeli of 4600 is really dead. what can you tell us about this? yeah, this, this is the new figure that's come out it's. it's risen by the hundreds throughout

the day. earlier it was a to 200, then it rose to 300 and you know, and as time has gone on, it is increased now. 600 according to is really media to put this in perspective in previous the gaza war classes where uh, how mos managed to fire rockets into various settlements around the gaza strip is really, towns and villages. the death toll was was very small. this is a huge death tool for this country of 9000000 people. not all of them, of course are, are jewish is rallies, but nevertheless, the government here has always been very, very low to have these large numbers of civilian casualties. and they've taken steps in the past to prevent them. uh,

for example, with the imposition of the iron dome anti missile defense which has been pretty successful in preventing missiles from, from hitting. but this incursion uh and infiltration by a moss and other fighters from gaza into all of these towns and the resulting battles have now. cost is rarely extended. civilian 600 civilian lives. absolutely unprecedented. and something that is going to shop this country to it's for all right, rob brown, it's that reporting to us from southern israel to rob mentioned shocks this country to it's cool. i think shock and cool to key words that we can wrap this pull in some ways as we reflect. so let me bring you up to speed the way we are. second day of this mass of attacks by some us on as well, big casualties. 600 is really dead. so phone,

hundreds of palestinians killed industry. the raids my colleague nick clock will be here in a minute. continue the coverage, the expo 2023 the the best to make sure. make sure to join us and let's discover a better world expo 2023. the ha ha

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