the attack is on the way only falls violent, real types of violence, rolling out, understand anxious about something, not always. especially in your protest as cold from washington to end is suppose of israel, the new governor. cathy, what's so condemned plans have pro palestinian demonstrations the

what technology is here on these other headlines. israel has formerly declared a space of war on garza. the declaration comes off to him off the launch the minute to operation against israel on saturday. 417 palestinians, including 78 children, have been killed, is really strikes of hits the besieged, posting on k from all sides, as well as now i'm asking troops near the gospel border. a mouse has continued to find a barrels of rockets from casa, at least 700 people have now been killed. more than 2200 injured some, 260 people died as a music festival that was attacked in israel by the group on saturday. well, senior officials from whom i have confirmed that the own group has taken more than a 100. israelis has captive the prisoners, intreat soldiers and civilians. these really minute treat says the number of captives is significant to leave and security council has health and emergency.

mazing how those times and boss of the to the un has cooled on israel to and it's brocade of golf. you cannot say nothing just defies. chilling is ratings and then provide justification for killing fellow students. we are not sub humans. let me repeat, we are not sub humans. we would love to accept athletic that that denigrates, all of whom many d, n 3 megs, all our rights governments, hezbollah fights a sheltered treat on the israeli occupation with more to strikes. israel then followed with artillery fine. several funds is that the border between 11 on and sirius garland heights, which was occupied by israel in 1967. well, there's been headlines. i'll have much more coverage for you of to upfront the

as the french government implemented slaves bad or what students can or cannot wear and public schools questions have been raised on the reason behind the decision. while the government says the band is designed to protect secularism, critics of say to discriminate against muslim students. this was an affront will speak with french journalist and filmmaker required the olive with 1st preservers on september 19th, military operation into newborn know kind of our resulting in tens of thousands of ethnic armenians being the territory. the enclave has been disputed for decades, and while it is internationally recognized as part of as ever,

john and so now it had been governed by ethnic armenians. so is our servers on guilty of ethnic cleansing? is some of its critics suggest, or is barcode just reclaiming its territory as it claims and will the conflict in with the bartow kind of back, or is there a risk of further escalation? will actually ambassador of the republic of our service jobs in the united kingdom, this weeks headliner lean. so the model, the lean, so the model of invested or the republic of his ever john to the united kingdom. what thank you for joining me on upfront. thank you. thank you. my thank you for the invitation. as every jones military operation into the garden, okay, kind of back into the territory is led to a mass exodus of 100000 people or more almost the entire population of a territory. according to the un, high commissioner for refugees gives that statistic to us. this is now led to a humanitarian crisis among those who fled with many suffering from severe

malnutrition. but yet a day after the incursion is edward johns president, it'll have idea of said his sources had, quote, punished the enemy, who's the enemy here to that's a very good question. thank you my, the enemy, definitely. uh, the tubes of the republic provided me and stationed on the territory. they also brought to me that the, not the only to as a bunch on the side, but also to the same test of thousands of letting me in a residence. we lived there who brought them into this conflict of i basically between the john and i mean yeah, as cool and as close to something. now though, so the name is also the people who let december, the city shame for a long time. and now the custody knows about john, who offered me that those tags, ballistic me, sales tax into the city and targets into the budget. but the people of ethnic, i mean in the background with, oh, there's events the that not all in the me. in fact, that repeatedly as a budget has reached out to them, urging them to stay,

offering them citizenship to become a part of diverse cultural as a budget. it is a function to so many left. we hope that some of them will come back, some of them have the option past present. i've of them, i mean in the past, but so they may not come back. but uh, we do hope to have a normal life for most of the journey and it think, i mean it should be this. and also by the way, the same person who leads you in a show high commission for the features in the media. she also said that there was no credible set to mouth treatment of the people who were leaving. uh got it. okay, just so i think that the, let's talk about those civilians. you mentioned the people who have contributed to the suffering of civilians. it seems to me that the civilians are the ones who are the primary recipients of suffering in this situation over 80 percent have left a unit that says 30 percent of those arriving are minors in many have been

separated from their families, especially representative of the world health organization says that new arrivals in armenia need, quote, urgent emergency assistance. given all of the suffering that this population has experience now us, it wasn't worth putting all of these people in such a dire emergency state for this military operation. that's a, that's an excellent question to the people who approve of this. i mean that the patients who always use this people as, as an excuse to go suffering to others and to achieve their political goals listed back post 2nd. uh, why is the population of got a bunch of these, you know, as a bunch on these 100 percent, that means about duties and for the last 30 years is because it's the most engine was company to the ethics of please got about as the degree just had to. busy $1000000.00 as much on it and it goes into it all cleaned up. they've all flushed out in 1999 since i've worked with you in each. so i was witness to people arriving in the horrible condition. i mean,

we do not want to do what that means have done to us. that's why we immediately offered them to stay focused on what's happening right now. it seems to me that there is a very clear practice of mistreatment here structurally that has to be accounted for. i mean, there's this report that was released last year that stated that there is a wide spread state sponsored practice of racial discrimination employed by a zaplishny authorities against ethnic armenians. this was just last year. president ali, i've been a speeches has made references to armenians as dogs. how could i possibly believe? how can anyone pop the question? what are your answers, or how does, how possibly here are we supposed to believe that armenians are going to have their rights protected? how could it armenians themselves trust that their rights would be safe, guarded when the government is using language like this, and when they're such a demonstrative will examples of harm a well, let's, let's put things into perspective. but 1st of all, facts on the go. nobody called on me is dogs,

the soldiers of acumen got the job and see it is changed out the budget and also the patient tube. so when we say private money, nothing to do it again. when we look at the direct report that was submitted to the human committee on the elimination of racial discrimination, it's also about a public discourse by public officials that has been seen as a sign and a symptom of racial discrimination. referring to our meetings as barbarians as vandals, as fast as the get. the report didn't just talk about troops, it was talking about a systematic state sponsored practice of racial discrimination against ethnic armenians. how do you respond to that report? again, not just an isolated case against the troops as you are legend, but against, oh yeah. either way to, by the way, the, and those are those, those are the thoughts by the way, about the media discrimination and language within. i mean, i guess as a by john, is this to caught? this is the big couple of the soviet union in the vote in the state of varied the conflict a, there was a mass that goes on was about gender. see mean is 1000000 people who kicked out on

their homes. of course the, the solution is tense. we hear every day uh, validation. it's slow to uh, reference as far as the budget. so united media, i mean it's just horrible language exhibit, again, legitimately beyond beyond the language of conversation. i mean, he is having visits as a badge and at the end coming to the world traps we have not ever caused the both of us about john, do you feel that the language has been used by uh, by your country's authorities not just to present it but other officials has made the situation more or less then do you feel like these sections. com is that your, is your escalated it? let me say that because it is. uh, several days ago president i leave spoke very clearly. he said, we do not hold local, i mean you population that is possible for the crimes committed by the separatist leadership. he said the, our citizen just like everybody else. so i would suggest to look at the actions and also they also have a do to a we offer, i mean is to the, to leave with our society to be a part of the best spare time. before the 2022,

your government begin blocking the launching core door, the only room connecting a newborn know kind of back to armenia, which led to severe food medicine and fuel shortages. the former chief prosecutor of the international criminal court, luis moreno or compo initially said through the blockade, a quote, genocide is underway against 120000 armenians living in the guard. no cut about. now he adds that the, that are, that are separate jobs, military operation, further as to the definition of a genocide, how do you respond to the former chief prosecutor of the international criminal court? the mug boots joe sighed and noticed that very heavy boots. let's not use them. i like this is it? this is clearly not the general side. i mean, oh i, why is it literally on the dodge the guy or the other side is what happened in the general side is what happened in uh, so they need to hear you have a conflict uh with a separate this what i mean, just let me just uh, let me,

let me talk to some of them for clarity here. the definition of genocide is not to be like one to the definition of a genocide under the wrong statute is defined as acts committed with an attempt to destroy in whole or part a national ethnical racial or religious group. including killing members of the group causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately inflicting on the good conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction and hold her in part. when we talk about cutting off severely cutting off food medicine and a fuel that seems to meet those conditions. so we don't have to compare not to come on. first. mr. the dixon offered a very clear debunk debunking of our compass exam. so i mean, this is a legal issue, it takes a long time. but like 2 things, the definition you describe actually perfectly fits what happened does a budget. so the hands of, i mean is the complete destruction or our group and removing as a budget is from the got a bunch of agents. what we offer, we offer from the very beginning to stay add to accommodate and to become

a citizen and doing to good. you don't build up the groups you wanted to store. you don't sit down, do you have the communications for 3 years to build water supplies? and if a stack of projects and supplies she think to go to school for the good, which one of the so that's, that's, that's, that's completed. oh no. on the, the watching the boat, the we did not will do it, you know, to establish, they've established a boat the check for ever this summer. and they shouldn't go to the boat to check. but we are very close with stokes. what if i have a boat on the boat of to get we have a boat, a check point. what they didn't want to do is to make sure that i did what that what's as it goes. somebody mean it was a by john on the. busy is a check because what happened that by the plan, you know? no, and i mean he is admitted to that thing got about the land mice, which i spoke to. i mean, to sort of update it and weapons were coming in positive by john. that's what we wanted to prevent with the name of the event mid this is out of and by the way, it was always open for the medical to as it by. i see,

i see. and about 60 people eh, we went back and 1st went medical treatment. that's not genocide. this doesn't get much. we want to live in peace. was that mean? yes, we are neighbors in the same verbiage. and we have very much of like how old kinds of acquisitions. so i got dougald help, well, was think peace between as a budget. and i mean that's what we need to focus on. we won't lose that. so what are you sure i was waiting. so what are you waiting, 7 months to lift the blockade despite a binding order from the international court of justice also does nothing to help matters that, that that is actually misinterpretation of the order of icy j the or uh do or the i see the, the i think they did say they made a ruling. the blockade quote, may have a serious detrimental impact on the health and live. i'm the going to kind of box population they border as that bizarre and to quote, take all measures to take all measures, edits, disposal, to ensure unimpeded movement of persons,

vehicles and cargo. along the legend border in both directions, there was not unimpeded. the vehicles and cargo for 7 months? no, no much would be because because later, i mean, yes. i mean yeah, actually people to the same quotes demanding the removal of the boat, the post and the code refused to act on this. and the reason is because to think a boat the post on the board to just do not state has any other nation, has it and able to install the initiative that, that booting above the check point is not. and it didn't go over the task, but it's actually a normal practice accepted by the whole. but we are no different from the rest of the vote. i mean these are not the only people who the patio go to the not to very normally fax it. how do you account with a severe food medicine and fuel shortages? that's that's a very good question because of a domino it which goes into the budget has been full with as a budget to actually offer the supplies to i mean using, got about and i mean, yeah, the set by just did it should be the fuse antonio visual basis,

now think about this much, you would not accept a medical supplies flow and how did you need it was simply because it's gone. so people did what i missed speaking up with the show at indicated that's what it is. so what was the, what, what is the content the road opened i did was only opened up to the end of the position because i mean the operation, but just the clear because out of what the, what is to somehow think that this role was open and open on august 31st, 8 months after the blockade began because a we also, we also to open a much earlier that if you will give them that means that they even put a bit on a concrete blocks that now think about this in other way as well, uh, the moment the position ended, all the supplies went from mazda about you have to, you do not supplied people, was all the needs the moment, if you did a meeting, something instead of both of them, we, by the way,

would talk to ard me is and he got about, we talked to them all along different meetings, on the delegations, and it shows your opinion, was that other protests active? so i, i think either way, either way, all of this negative image created that i'll devote and it is possible statements by people like a couple have created the tool link is the position in among the population of ethnic. i'm using data, but unfortunately many of them left. it's too we'd never urge them to live. quite the opposite to the state. we never, we never wanted them to live. we actually, i was there, but john is open. we have an integration photo asking them to come and it is just the come back. fair enough miss as to the amount of i want to thank you so much for your time and joining in upfront a my pleasure. thank you. the, it has been a turbulent summer for france in june. police shot dead a 17 year old french boy. i'm a rocket and now during the cent. now his modest soup, inciting mass rides across the nation. a couple of months later,

the french government announced that it would be placing a national battle wearing the eye by a, a full length robots and one by most of the women in public schools causing fury among the muslim community. so is the slightest span of defense of secularism as the government claims or will it lead to more racial and religious discrimination discuss these developments were joined by french journalist in filmmaker required the yellow thank you so much for joining upfront. it's good to see you for inviting me. i'm really glad to. absolutely, let's. let's start with what's going on on the ground. frances education administer gabriella town called wearing the eye by a quote, a religious gesture aimed at testing the resistance of the republic toward the secular sanctuary. that school must be. this was a very controversial decision. can you tell us about their kind of reasons and the timing for this decision? so to me they're out and the official reason and an actual reason. so initially the principle of security reason in france was meant to be a principle of equality. and over the like because it's being a principal or for

a bishan target to most friends and to move has to do with a long history of colonial control of women's buddies. we can tie it back to the or calling it is a right now jerry, whether it was and feeling ceremonies that's were organized by the wives of the colonial generals to unveil publicly as human women to make them seem and actually look frontier. so actually on bell and literally taking their video of it all like the posters are seeing on to more beautiful without the video. and it was something that was going on in the late fifties. so the idea that you off fencher, if you look like the traditional french swimming is something that didn't really appear on the the summer. but you say that the origin of this, at least the spirit of the law, wasn't that of course it was to get rid of the influenza slow spring influence of the catholic church. it was to the lowest voted in 19 o 5. and it was meant to separate the states from the church and to have the states

being useful and no to because magazine officially any religion. so a little was voted 20 years ago to bon public science religious public signs in school. so the law says public, we did just from the science, but the debate was over the huge job. so the agent was bon 20 years ago, and that now wants to go further and further. and the thing is that you can tell apart and the buyer from address. so how would you enter that? what you're gonna buy out? and what's the address that they would say? well, clearly the buy, it is a visibly religious of us. at least the associated garment that when you see it, i buy a, you know that that person is most them. but what we've seen in schools is that's many girls had dressy that they bought in h. and then is that right? it's for an actual bias. but that was in that were interpreted as a by us and they were buying some school because of that. and the only reason why it was t and avaya is because they were wearing ours again, all right, from a natural enough african origin or black. so is like, you can have both,

like 2 went to girls having the same dresses, but one is white and the other is not. and one would be a scene as we're going to buy it and the other. so it's really enabling racial profiling. and that's what happens after the return to school, according to one pulled by the french institute on public opinion. 81 percent of french people support the band. other polls show interestingly enough, that it's not just right wing support here. in fact, the majority of 2 of frances left wing party supporters, the greens and fronts, and so nice, also support this band in large numbers. now your base and france, of course, the mass support. where's it coming from? again, not just right wing support, but it's a lot. yeah. i basically like the largest part of the population. i think it's both the result of a it is on this level for the program that has been going on for 4 years for the kids like the had been the bon off on the, he's up and then the bottom of the beginning like the full length uh,

swim suits uh uh, in the, in the cheese and that have actually used the public opinion to just accept the fact that, um, mostly men does have a right to enjoy the public space. and if to me important to be mind the fact that during the last the business, the presidential election last year, the national valley, which is the far right apache, maybe to the 2nd round, is the state guns, political force in france after the presidential election during the payment to re election the had a to 9 and peace elected international assembly, which is a lot we, we have never seen that in history so far. right is being normalized and the government is running after a that's the, the, the, the, the, the, the votes of the people who believe in the, as in those ideas. and to me, the normalization office har arise has made the principal pollution more easier to accept or resist ideologies. many countries talk about color blindness. mm hm. uh.

but france, literally, ca, defies this idea of color blind is by not even collecting data on race demographics . it's like, race just doesn't exist as access and how does that play out in everyday life? how does that impact minorities? how does that impact social services? how does that shape how we think or respond to what's going on? so i understand that the color blindness is a very beautiful idea. can you provide reason? and i understand why it's difficult in friends to collect data because of the holocaust. because like the last time the government collected that thought it was meant to deport and exterminate thousands of a 1000 us like and hundreds of thousands of people who would choose were sent to the camps this concept consultation come. so i understand why we ought to not comfortable with the government having and collect for today does. but the consequence of that is that the people from the national assembly have voted to

remove the word race from the constitution is like because they say that it doesn't exist as in biology. what, what i get, but it does exist as a social contract construct. and it does have, as effect on all day to day life. so the consequence of that is that it's very difficult to speak about the race in france. i use so, and i'm constantly accused of importing an american lens onto friends. and as creating something that doesn't exist. so it's a freshman to me, critically give it in places a is a social construct. me say it's not prudent biology. that's an american, then it would be just as not real. and in the united states, right. do they actually not see the value in thinking or looking for racial means at all? no, i would say that it's racist because we are the same. so i'm the one bringing up a topic that is that doesn't belong to friends. and to me, it's a way of just not addressing a problem because friends has been sometimes several times by the european court of

human rights. it's been on the subject, the topic of free posts from i'm this international from human rights, which because of racial prof, provide a police were fighting and racial police society but, but there was no response. there was no official response from the front side because not addressing ways. being color blind is also a way to get away with racism because you say it doesn't exist. so you don't do anything, even if they all just look to say all the people getting a press, all the people getting treated for the schools, all the people getting shocked by the police and basically all of this way. and not that way as coincidence. yes. and you speak about race in this course, he's ways to see when you're not, can you the pick whatever reason to learn about? yeah, it's just a racist, but you say, no, it's our tradition. it's like you're there isn't and it's not, you know, it's up for most names. it's anyone who would have a video to sign, but it's happens that's only mostly have very visible video to sign. and actually, um, yeah that's, that's the, that's the way of speaking about,

about the race without really speaking about it. as you pointed out, many in france, look at the work of intellectuals like yourself. and they say you're importing american or anglo saxon identity politics that don't actually exist in france present. my cronies even echoed this idea. in 2020 he won. the french intellectuals have yielded to quote, anglo saxon traditions based on a different history, a history that he claims is not ours. how do you respond to this? as i said, as of funds for i know who inspired uh, black americans was french and uh, that friends is the only country to be present on full continents. so you have the, you are friends, part of friends, but you also have to tie been territories, guadalupe not to me, but also some parts indian gen ocean which is the region island and my yet also some fox and differentially new jobs. i see you kind of doing. yeah. so that is the result of fast and truman colonial putting 6. and i think that i

try to, to, to, to quote a french examples and to be inspired by french intellectuals because those people friends of, once i know, for example, are it's known in nor did buy different books fear that if you go to friends and you have a place that would come in moray, they'll set up with someone who fought against racism. you would find a transportation named after was a box you would find a pop named after him. at the end of the king, you will never find someone french having a place ordering their work against racism. so that's also another way to say, yes, it's a problem that's that we care about, but it's an american program, so we will buy that on there. you know, that's and then data, who is the south african or mountain? it's a king then, you know, from something new or in this is that even the image image is there. as recently had, finally uh, image was station, but it's still very, very, it's taking a long time. okay, i do. hello. thanks so much for joining that upfront. thank you so much. all right,

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