of this continue the journey, only the dream is safety and prosperity in the united states keeps than going. the israel has told me to come in a state of war and gauze in too many and people that are bracing for what's to come . israel launched a series of ass strikes standing guns that for most sites at least 413 palestinians have been killed in just 2 days among them. 78 children as well as now i'm asking troops me of the guns, a boat that includes a 100000, was a hospitals and the besieged protest in your own. k of overwhelmed with a number of injuries in the scale of the strikes for the 2000 people have been injured. tonic advisors and that's more from gaza to the level and the speed of the is there any strikes inside the gaza strip?

has remarkably intensified during the last couple of hours. various areas inside the gaza strip was severely disrupted on, were struck by the is there any other forces without any previous notes or warnings? we can say that the majority of these buildings were inhabitable, it means that 90 percent of the buildings were full of people and the exact number of days and casualties is not a not yet to be known to, due to the ability of the musical teams to reach and access to these places as well . it's important to mention that some towns in the gaza strip, in particular like big time in town, has witnessed unknown stopping buttons for more than an hour. no budget in the gaza strip can know what is the exact number of destruction and even the casualties rates inside the tunnel they turn to and due to the ability to access or to reach the city and israel to death toll from my master's miniature operations. now as the

past 700 many of missing as well as ministry, say they are fighting how much can at least 7 to 8 flash points in the south, is ready. troops are trying to regain control of the desolate around the glass of strip and exaggerated people from the border area. child stratford is in southern israel. what a very fluid situation ongoing in various locations in southern israel, the smoldering that has just been a press briefing by the israeli military, the spokesperson, they're saying that there was ongoing fight to get a number of settlements to the, to the east of the gulf, a strip of the town all the step bolts, another town or settlement. barry, a town called new oles. sorry i should say. village is village of settlement. you also mentioned an ongoing hostage situation in the settlements of your fall as uh, which is also to the east bald garza. we have a state and that's uh and these lady family may who are members of a nice lady. family may be being held the,

it was very can be gained basically. and we think that kind of challenges at the admin. the ministry of facing in dealing with these simple traces by how much flight is you said that there were around 20 breach points along the gall as a board a he said that some of these bridge points would be blocked, but admitted that a number of them was still open, he said that the tanks and flight subjects were being used to try and close these breach points in the last few minutes. so. so we've heard reports of a track so being used by how much flights has to breach that the board defense. but of course, we cannot confirm that he said the situation was difficult for the thousands of the is really special forces in a military operating to try and clear the sound of spite is out of the savage. because in his words, these all civilian ecosystems and the us as announced of sending additional ministry assistance to is riley including an aircraft carrier strike group to the

region. so this is a massive terrorist attack that is gunning down, is rarely civilians in their towns in their homes. and as we seen so graphically, literally dragging people across the, the board with cars, including a holocaust survivor and a wheelchair women and children. so you can imagine the impact is just having throughout israel and the world should be revolted and what it seen. we have a mediately engaged are as rarely partners and uh, and allies present items on the phone with promissory note. and yeah, were early yesterday to assure him of our full support. i was on the phone with these early president, the foreign minister, the entire government has been engaged throughout the region and will be on. well, those were the headlines. the news continues here and i'll just say are off to the bottom line spectrum done so much about the . ready a hi, i'm steve clements and i have

a question. ukraine's leaders say they're confident of continued support for the war against russia, but are cracked starting to show in the western front. let's get to the bottom line . the 19 months ago, americans from the right and the left were strongly committed to sending billions of dollars and really large stockpiles of weapons to help ukraine defend itself and inflict significant damage on russian forces. today that support is and so black and white liberal still generally argue that america should do what it takes to continue the war, at least until ukraine is in a decent position to negotiate. but on the right, we're starting to see signs of a slow down and support america for as politicians openly say enough is enough. and others want answers on where americans funding has been spent. so as for fatigue sending it. and what does that mean for the future of ukraine? is it time for the us and nato to look for different solutions to the conflict?

today we're talking with jeffrey sachs and economist who has a center for sustainable development at columbia university and offer several books including a new foreign policy beyond american exceptionalism. doctor sax, thanks so much for joining us. you've been out there some very fascinating essays saying america needs to take a look at its role in the russia, ukraine conflict that this was not simply vladimir putin trying to. and as a landscape that there is much more to it. tell us what you'd like our waters to know about the origins of this conflict. of the origins that go back in 30 years to a plan by the united states to surround russia by nato countries, especially in the black sea region already is big brzezinski, spelled this out in an article in a foreign affairs magazine in 1997. and in his book, the global chess board,

i'm spelling out why ukraine was so central to the american strategy to reduce or, and russia as a great power. i. the idea was that if nato would expand to, all of the countries of the black sea surrounding brah showed that means to ukraine . romania, bulgaria, turkey, already a member and georgia that russia would no longer be able to project power in the eastern mediterranean or the middle east. so this was the goal and do it in 2004. i made on expanded to romania and bulgaria, and in 2008 at the bluegrass nato summit. bush, i pushed against you. are you an opposition for nato to declare that it would

enlarge to include ukraine and georgia? russia? that is, russian leaders across the board said repeatedly, this is a red line, do not cross it. we have a 2300 kilometer border with ukraine. you, nato must not attempt to enter ukraine. that would be a direct threat to our national security. there was an even broader context with steve, which is that the united states was placing missiles around your, the after having unilaterally abandoned the anti ballistic missile treaty in 2002. the united states had the bomb good for 78 straight days. russia's allied bel grade and that was a, actually a nato bombing for $78.00 days to break serbia a part i which it did. and then the us,

unilaterally recognized i kosovo after that nato bombing the us, and unilaterally gone to war, i with a rock in 2003 over the strong objections of the un security council. the us had i covertly, but quite evidently tried to over throw, but shar, our side, in serious, starting in 2011, the u. s. a. n. nato quite explicitly bombed libya to over throw russian ally moammar gadhafi. and the united states conspired to violently over throw ukraine's president victory on a co bitch in february 2014. incidentally, these are all basic points, easily known. and if were the us main stream media has gone

out of its way to create a kind of amnesia, right? in the united states, the worst of all of this is the new york times, i'm sorry to say, won't tell us readers any of the truth. any of the background of this. what's interesting is that the nato secretary general yes, stolen burg, actually spelled it out. i think kind of inadvertently brag well, i want to, you know, i want to read paraphrase. it goes, bringing it. we're going to have against oldenburg. uh, let me bring him in right now. preston tooth in sick slid in the ultimate 2021. an extra cent that's a draw off treat to the native design, to promise no more. nathan argument, he went to the war to prevent a nate to 18 to the closest borders. he has. he has got the exact opposite, is get more nate, the presence in the eastern part of the lines on. he has also

a seen that the feed them has all of the joining the alliance. and sweden will soon be a full member. so what i'm hearing from both you and your surprising ally in this perspective is that there was a lot of awareness about the action and reaction that basically creating an opening that door and then solidifying it for ukraine to join nato was going to precipitate a war with russia and beyond that, as you just said, was big me a brzezinski former national security adviser in the present carter. then you said this was the plan all along. it was the plan and the fact that this would lead to war was understood by american diplomats. it was warned by the b u. s. ambassador to russia in 2008 and on other than william burns. currently r c. i a director who sent a famous memo from moscow to conduct lisa rice entitled me at the

means meet at no means no, and he was explaining, it's not just poor. it's across the entire russian political class to complete serving opposition to america, expanding nato to ukraine. this was clearly understood then victoria knew would then be assistant secretary of state for european affairs. now the deputy secretary of state in 2014. and it was in january actually weeks before the violent overthrow was caught on tape. presumably by the russians. guy planning the post got a co which government would replace the government and did she spelled out exactly who would become the next prime minister? no, this is a standard us regime change operation. well,

let me ask you that or just let me ask you jeff. when, when bill burns, then add bass reduce to russia of united states. now c, i a director wrote that memo. i read that memo and that memo spelled it out very quickly and said this would be a neurological issue. never. it's hard to forget that kind of language and neurology issue for the russians, if you green were to join nato and around that same time someone you and i both know richard hoss was also working for that bush administration as a director, policy planning and had written a white map paper, basically saying that if we didn't find a way, somehow to get russia into nato as a member, we would inevitably end up with an us versus them dynamic. and it was really important that if you're going to neutralize the classic tension between europe and russia, that you had to find a pathway for inclusion. for russia. the past has told me that that was ignored. but what was going on inside the administration,

because not every one was on board with the so called plan that you've laid out as well. from the beginning, there were very strong voices of opposition to the nato enlargement. it goes back to, of course, to george kennedy himself, in 1997 who was our senior statesman historian, author of the containment policies who said, very explicitly, this is the worst imaginable policy to proceed with nato enlargement. at the time he wasn't even talking about to ukraine who was talking about in general. it. in fact, in the mid 19 ninety's clinton's own secretary of defense, bill perry thought about resigning in protest. because albright and holbrook were pushing nato enlargement to be thought it was reckless to do this object matlock, who was the us and bassett,

or to the soviet union at the end of the soviet union said, this is absolutely the wrong thing to do. this will recreate the dangers of confrontation with russia. right? so this wasn't the secret, but these are the neo cons i, this is victoria new lives, the one protestant and all of the best buy. and she was, cheney is deputies a security advisor. then she was bush's in bassett, or to nato in 2008, but she quickly became hillary clinton's spokes person. then she became the assistant secretary of state during the overthrow of john a colbert. now she is biden's deputy secretary of state. she's been both parties because she's always there, this is the neo cons, and they have fought their way through and they have created an absolute disaster 1st and foremost for ukraine, right? trapped to print. so predictably, i wrote at the beginning of all of this into in 2022, not the very beginning,

but at the beginning of this special now latoria operations that this is yet another neil con debacle. and this is exactly as it's turned out. we're given where we are now. we interviewed a former secretary of defense, chuck kagle, who's normally in the realist camp on issues. and he said, this has now become a defining issue for the united states. and it's, and the impression of its power in the world that america can not stand down. he was critical of joe biden for going as slow as biden's team has gone and said it's just too significant. and on top of that, as nato has grown with many of the nato members, he said, you know, if you look at it, he would predict that russia might, had been much more uh hungry for some of these other countries. had nato not expanded to them. and i think it's stolen, bird just said, half of nato is now many of these other nato members that have joined since 1992. so what do you do with the argument that given where we are now,

that this is now perceived to be a conflict that the united states cannot back out of? well, that's what has said that been said about every disaster that the united states has been involved in from vietnam and the domino theory on word. and all of that is just a prelude to nuclear war. they want to put it that way. we have to stop the stupidity of the united states, but got us into this mess. this is a war that the united states created pro vote a fight over throwing down a cold, which bite is nato enlargement policy. and now we have to say, look, we stop roches, gotta stop, we need to find peace before the world is destroyed in this process. so i don't buy it at all. what hazel said, that's ridiculous when you've made a terrible blunder. light is,

you don't stake everything on doubling down on the blunder. you solve the problem and we can solve the problem by sorting this thing out properly. and the way to sort this thing out properly is to end nato enlargement as part of a piece arrangement. in which the war stops in which you crane is secured, but it's going to be an adjusted boundaries at this point that is clear. and nato stops in leveraging. and i'm this question of the boundaries. let's remember that the united states backs boundary changes when it feels like it. so the united states felt like it when they bombed serbia for $78.00 straight days to create kosovo, which the united states to unilaterally recognize the 2008. that border change was fine, because the united states decide didn't impact was nato bombing out serbia for $78.00

straight days. then the united states just thought it was just fine to change the borders of sudan. i backing this out to these insurgency and then quickly declaring recognition of south sudan. so the idea that borders are sacrosanct, but nothing can be changed. that's an american bluff. also. we change the borders when we want, but no other borders can be changed. no, this is not how the world's going to work. in reality, the united states had its chance to protect ukraine in its 1991 borders. it had complete chance for that before february 2014. it should not have conspired to over throw ukraine's president because was at that point that night, russia re, to crime me because russia did not want salva stobel. it's naval base at $1783.00

falling to nato pads. and the united states provoke that. but even then, the rush, it did not say we take the don't boss. not at all, what russia said use the don't boss should have autonomy as per the minutes to agreements now means to was not only guaranteed by in france and germany in the so called normandy arrangement, it was backed 15 to nothing by the un security council. and the whole told ukraine not, you don't have to follow through that would be us the united states. and so instead of compromising and having the don't boss gain some autonomy, the united states said no, you remain as centralized, ukrainian state. we have your back at some back. now, russia is creating such losses of ukraine on

the battlefield. that as we debate among ourselves, russia is likely to have a major offense with operation making so much of this moved, even in the next few weeks. you know, one of the people i spoke to in the past, due up was andre cartoon off in moscow. the director general of the i think it russian issue for the national affairs and, and he said from his perspective that he saw this conflict as one of the ongoing historic aftershocks of really the fall of the soviet union and the end of the cold war. the, the soviet empire any also saw america's behavior as being driven by a kind of memory of nico imperial pretensions, if you will. and basically said, we've got to sagging empires that don't know how to deal with this. and i said, well, where it's trying to all this, you know, basically said china is enjoying watching both of these rivals go out it. how do

you see china at this moment? what lessons is it drawing from this conflict and isn't benefiting from sitting back and watching russia and the united states and their and their supporters exhaust each other as well? the united states policy is done and i, one thing gets big brzezinski said was on thinkable that, you know, he just thought it would be so ridiculous of american policy that he thought it really couldn't ever happen. and that's for the united states to drive russia and china together has a deep partners. that's precisely what the united states has done. and it's done it by going after russia with the nato enlargement and at the same time going after china, especially in economic warfare. and i visa v taiwan. so guy, china is not sitting back in enjoying this. china is feeling

a tremendous pressure from the united states, which is basically stopped. i the put a, a wall on exports from china to the united states. now trying to is exports are down 20 percent euro per year. 2022. in 2023. i, china has been cut off from technology by the united states and the united states is now unilaterally arming taiwan not as in the past, by the way, with taiwan buying a us weapons, but by the president signing orders to give tie one weapons under a theory that we're going to may tie ones a so called porcupine filled with weaponry. that would deter a chinese attack. it will do precisely the opposite. it's the same dynamic that lead ukraine to disaster. so right kind is not sitting back and enjoying this,

but china and russia are seeing that the united states is pushing for its hedge. a monic status is an error. that is where us she had gemini, is completely anachronistic. it was never very sensible as an idea, but in 2023. it's so out of date. but the neo kind of say, don't get the calendar, right. they just keep pushing. they declare openly that russia and china are the enemy. it's driven the 2 of them together, and this makes this situation all the more dangerous. well, let me ask you now question about the american political scene and all of this because we've just seen the ukraine funding stripped out a of a funding continuing resolution bill. i don't want to lose our viewers in the weeds on this, but nonetheless, ukraine funding was a very hot item this week and discussed. and as we know, going towards the 2024 presidential election that ukraine and american support for

ukraine. and i have to say, i've been amazed by how resilient ukraine was. i was, you know, it's been, it's been interesting to watch this, but you can see how it's becoming more and more of a political football between both sides as they begin to struggle. and there is just that there is, um, you know, basically measurable decline and republican support for ukraine. so as you sort of look at this and, and look at joe biden saying, we will be there as long as it takes and you'll see others saying, we can't get a bill through congress right now with ukraine funding. what is the scenario you see coming in and this we, this is we to a sensible outcome or a tragic train wreck. so we're, we're at the end of a, any large scale support data from the united states for ukraine. i think that that is smart except that date it should be combined with

real negotiations between the us and russia and ukraine on new security arrangements. so guy, i think that this war should end through negotiations not through this continued the flood of money. the money is drying up because the american people are against it strongly in the republican party, but also the democratic grass roots is not for this either. so the politicians in washington in the white house expects to get its way, but no, you know, the voice of the people are, is actually being heard right now. and it will be heard more and more as we entered the presidential election campaign. but it's not only the united states all through western europe. the leaders are deeply unpopular because of the effects of this war . they don't buy it. and slovakia just elected

a government the campaign precisely on stopping any more aid for ukraine. poet, which was the great backer of ukraine, is not even on speaking terms. government the government right now hungry has been long set against this. we're seeing that none of this makes sense, especially with ukraine having been ever stated on the battlefield. this summer, the counter offensive. a complete tragedy. a massacre except if you have to, during the dish or types are the main stream media. but if you really follow the facts on the ground, this has been horrible. and all through western europe and the american i seen there is a call for something different that the something different should be. and the go she a to piece fascinating discussion,

columbia university professor jeffrey sachs. thanks so much for your candor. and for joining us today. great to be with you, steve. really appreciate it. so what's the bottom line? there's just no doubt about it. us age, ukraine has become a political football. it's still flowing, but thanks for getting murkier as we get closer and closer to election day, washington has 3 options. as i see it one, it could pull back, which will accelerate a very different world order with the us. perhaps less central or 2. it could push for and negotiated into the conflict in a way that doesn't result in a collapse of confidence in america, stops the blood shed and assures ukraine its sovereignty in a sustainable arrangement or 3 vitamin ukraine. supporters keep pumping money and arms end of the war, hoping rushes operation collapses before renegade republicans cut off those dollars . but right now, we're closer to the scenario of slash funding and military 50, then negotiations, and deal making. and that's the bottom line. the

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