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hello and welcome to the program. i'm for the back. people is rouse, defense, administer has ordered a complete siege of gaza. he says, palestinians in the enclave will soon have no access to electricity, food, or fuel. the territory has been under non stop bombardment in hundreds of palestinians and israelis has been killed since i'm off site is managed to infiltrate the southern areas of israel on saturday. a mouse is the attack is a response to more than 70 years of occupation and a 15 year brocade of gossip. israel has responded by formerly declaring war. it's the most serious explanation in decades. but why exactly did this new war start and where does it go from here? plenty to discuss with, i guess. but for us, this report from sy gale on the events of the past few days in in the early hours of october, 7th must move dozens of rockets from garza into southern these ro,

the attack has been called an unprecedented operation. let me, yeah. then i do say on the outcome of despitefully is not yet revealed to the enemy . these radio occupation forces have yet to learn how massive this operation is. once they realize the severity and outcome of it, they'll regret it. to our brave fight is across the occupied territories. you've proven that you have the results. this is your day to march forward. by october 8, has blood drawing to the will. a senior official says who spices will continue to support the palestinians. the history or the guns and the word work itself with you . everything we have is with you is re prime minister benjamin netanyahu has vowed to win the will warning gauze in residence to leave that who's gonna quote you on how much we still do all of the places which thomas has deployed,

hiding and operating in the, in that wicked city, i mean we will turn it into an island of ruins. i'm telling causes people to leave those places now, because we will take action every what. as, as october 8 came to a close, the people of garza had suffered that deadly state in 15 years. is ready as strikes hit, the besieged and plays from all sides, killing nearly 300 palestinians. we are banging the brunt of this attack. we have been witnessing above beings in old bridge social buildings. every 5 minutes of the explosions are rocking every place and gaza starting. it is now no place is safe. yeah, i wish i could be a normal child living with no more, no rockets, so that we can return home safely. hundreds of his release have also being killed. and it's thought that at least $100.00 have been captured and taken into gaza as

the coming october days and fold. it's unclear how and when this will my to end, but the loss of innocent civilian life would like to continue. sorry, gail the inside story. the, as well as bringing our guest for today's inside story in run my line the occupied westbank is mustafah bianco. the secretary general of the palestinian national initiative in boston is rami cory also and distinguished public policy fellow at the american university of bay road. and in london, daniel levy, president of the us middle east project, he's also formalize ready, negotiator and advisor to the office. so former israeli prime minister a who is for rock. thank you all for being on inside story. mission will stuff about go to you in my life. i can start with you. there's a lot of concern right now about what might come next after a surprise, a time by hamas. israel has said they'll be no food, no water,

no electricity to guys because of this attack, how worried are you about? what might come next? we had absolutely what it and what you have just described to top know electricity . and also applies means that nothing you know is going back to think of an act of total collective punishment against the palestinian population. i'm guessing, i guess 2200000 people. but most of them that this fascist government. and there's that i and i in the system using the word fascist, is threatening ethnic cleansing goes to a point. 2000000 people. how close nothing, you know, 12200000 people living in garza. a very small area of no more than 140 square miles that they should leave their homes. where should they go to? he wants to throw them in the sea. where should these people go? there is no safe place of this very moment, and guys, a max record is taking place no less than 570 by this thing,

is that being tenants or 5 uh mostly um, probably 100 percent civilians including more than 100 children. and this one good to know, nathaniel whole problem is that you will bottom bottom every house in augusta. how could zillow old accept this? i must remind you that 70 percent of the people those guys are today, the 2200000 people out of if you choose what ethnically class from there to that and 1948 by the is there any troops i'm now they want to instantly glens them one more time. the basic question here. why do it, why we are in this? mainly because these are the fuses to in this occupation? mainly because is there any establishment that excludes us to entity in its last month of the front us too many people in the system of apartheid that is much worse according to or the human rights organization. then the prototype system that

prevents in south africa at one point of time. this is a situation that nobody can pull it up and nobody should deliberate and instead of the united states force and because it has to stop these must have cuz they are encouraging them attack more more the student will come back to the us role and all this in just a moment, but i want to bring in daniel leading to the conversation, daniel v, as really is a saying right now that this is a response to how mosse is praise and attack on israel a few days ago, which so hundreds of israelis killed as well, but how is that a siege of guys a complete seizure of guys with no food or water to palestinians, which mr by go to? riley describe, described as collective punishment. how is that going to insure a security, the security of israel? very simply. it isn't very sadly in it is a hot breaking pictures once hot breaks to see what has happened to me, i'm

a bunch friends to see what is happening now in gaza. remote playing ball transpire over the coming days. but the sad truth is that, that position the spouse by these re issue is precisely what and so it means they have no, i know that these are the most difficult days to to those. so the thinking to, to be different. but a 3 didn't beginning 3 days ago and stuff about booty just pointed out who, who all these 2.2, b and inhabitants of golf while 70 percent of refugees until palestinians have security is really some actually shipped black to use the equation back to use the intertwined face of these 2 peoples. i need israel fix that there is a military solution. then we all condemned to really say,

this kind of conversation again and again and again. but i, i hope this maybe poly amish. people will begin to austin. so is this the only way every day, palestinians live without the most basic security predictability of life is raised, woke up, twitch for me on the weekend, but they have to stop getting it today. it's the palestinians are going to be denied enough space to quest. you know, you have a very critical designation. the kind of a pop type is being created in terms of the as well as the allison use. that's the reality which palestinians then across geography, across the history, the people who live on to those conditions before i'll have to use a close to them,

take up on the resistance and okay, you know, the most frustrating thing today for the if i may just as well, one additional comment, the most frustrating, painful way of being wanting policy makers for g s. believe every non violent avenue is closed. if you're not gonna hold these rarely accounts. but if you're not going to challenge yourself to change its policies to you and not the i c c to sanctions with how you sell your weapons, that you are leaving only one outlet for change. i'm worth what they rami corey, your thoughts about what daniel and stuff about go to you have said, what is your reaction to this evolving situation and what do you think and let us, let us of his points today. but i totally agree with that stuff. i'm down, you know, as usual, i had one more dimension on the same virginia, boston and the united states is going back and forth to the police. but watching

the events from here, from the last couple of years has clarified certain issues that i think are really important that they let the span of time to the palestinians. i've suffered in the way that most of i'm done, you know, as far as the 5070 years since 1948, but it really goes back further about and what happened was when the british started in 1915, the colonial process of, of stealing boston allowed them giving up to the zionist movement, which was a very long to make up the pain that just show up in europe. because after some additional problems, this started a process in which designers of jewish people is real. whenever had primacy in this loud a continues today, here from the west, we see the united states something and they will task force. now prepare to

the fighting if need be, or how as you know. so the mental, the law, which is of the, is rarely designers movement has never acknowledged the palestinians. and israelis equal rights that is the front of the monkey. like we have a knowledge that cost and it doesn't recognize it. and documents and agreements and their actions. but they as rarely as that, i have no. so they they, they had the power. steering is now was about 10 years longer than the ancient exile, hebrews. and these are people fight back before i come back to most stuff, i just wanted to pick up on something you said rami about the americans, and they had deploying americans deploying in the mediterranean. it's not just sending arms to israel as they usually do, but a deployment in their words to contain the situation. but that's going, is it going to contain the situation or is it inflaming?

it's more a lot of the martian perspective. that because that for me, yes, the shot of a boat, they might, she perspective this is designed to some of the signals of israel that we're with you. if you need assistance where they're mostly in terms of supply some justice and stuff. but it's also from the mac and you a 2nd story around the american media and political establishing is totally obsessed with the law. iran and china are now the stretch of the world and they will do anything to say, oh, that's right. and it's just, it's really a demonstration of almost mass hysteria and we see it played out on the media and politics. and by the way, the media coverage in the united states also reflect something really, really kind of life. i want to find during listen to the united states on the impression journalists in schools,

right. that when new streaming media is calling this situation. if that was just against the standards or talking to my controllers in schools, they would get an ass. there would be some. okay okay, let me come back to mr. bond, go t. uh, on the question of the round up session that rami raised to some use reports have suggested that how mosque couldn't have pull this on his own. couldn't have done this on his own and that it had outside help. what are your thoughts about this? and why should the time i was good talent for my new country? is that it is a good thing the most held from the united states, which is providing because of the most sophisticated military equipment and discovery up photos that i enjoyed having to 100 new glad heads to the it'll be on the side of that. is that a simple thing designated united states,

this important concern is that i, it has uh, an amazing network of support all over the world. so why shouldn't come as good, right, so good support for them. something like this. i think it's a, it's a very, a unreasonable question. you expect this you do you expect the support from, from outside countries, tomas to continue in to become more visible? you know, let me explain any of the 2 issues. first of all, the 1st thing is i have not been aligned with anybody because the big less than deadlines. wheeler and especially after the normalization of a lot of companies with those or is the police would only depend on our so we shouldn't be sensitive. i and we should resist with our own abilities and that's exactly what's happening today. but on the other hand that you saw fit on is the usually it is as it is, reminds us with the, the, is the behavior or was they all of us try to find our country to blame and claim that. but this thing is out of followers of the company. first it was the soviet

union. and then it was egypt and it was cd. uh then it was it, i can, i would say it on and maybe tomorrow it would be i was going to be jan. i don't know, but the reality is that and the other aspects of this is that they say that they wouldn't make be so solid yet area and was behaving and whose damage is to look for the glass. i mean, it was through this, this event and this new or my put that on hold. don't you think the normalization with the salary loosely? yes, absolutely. of course. and now actually one of the reasons of what's happening today is that the 1st instance that data goes as being my personalized and nothing you know. and as far as going to the united nations and getting the map of israel, including annexed west bank, annexed gaza and next the golan heights, as well as a total. and so the message was clear. i've not been here on smoking, which said, no bless. what about a student, steve? so what do we live in a statement of situation of enslavement. let me ask you why by which no,

and the was a kind of 3 like is it a which is ok you buying costs declaring war on our 2 by 33. it's amazing that this was allowed to happen. nothing at home, in my opinion, is a criminal. he is a need to do anything to save himself. he is really talking about a studios and is what it is. i know that he's thinking now that is of can, is there any present noticed a lot in as of right. why is he doing good? he doesn't care about the people he cares about himself, about saving himself. this is the most opportunistic criminal leader ever. and me that is daniel daniel levy, let me get your thoughts on that. on the end game here for that, you know, and this is really government. i know you were on the inside but with the previous government. but you might help us understand what the thinking is right now in israel. what is the end game, you know, with this new conflict in guys that is it to reoccupied guys that oh, is it more than that? you don't permission for the if i may just comment on

a couple of points raised because i think the other thing that these events remind us is that the abraham accords in the normalization took some stuff just reference . this is not my to piece in the lease because this is not between war and policies . this is law i. brittany, americans are told themselves and told the walls. i think it's appropriate when get caught up and you're out of lice because you lose. i called you lose touch with reality. the normalization of course, don't address what the problem is. they address something else. so to get. now, i think nothing. yahoo is probably saying to himself, i do something spectacular. i get through this military thoughts. but each route is face. yeah. well we'll see is

a staggering face of the tablets, of intelligence and all the military. i might think it would be a mistake if i may just suggest that that's the problem is not that yahoo, he's gone but it's been focused on the tradition logo. ready you know, people remember that with these, we keep protest against what they will because you legislatively. but the problem is that they've been focus too much on the sectors in the west side and they haven't paid enough attention to call this narrative exists initially. i think that's the easy go to place, but it ignores what i think is a bomb or fundamental malays decomposition within the system. because these rel felton here are these, these rob felt the palestinians. we got them back, easy to manage. the world will let us do whatever we want, the palestinians say that needs to be taken seriously. we should wait an hour period. ready quiet we can for those away by just doing all was never trying to

take any political initiative because they don't even recognize the cool one problem here were policy and dispossession. and so the dc missions, there's hubris mason as well. so if we go the most amazing surveillance systems and then don't pay attention, but actually in a symmetric wolf that you don't need to go to, to talk with your assessor, your needs to be able to do all the states. and america here is the greatest empower in may below all that hubris. because america tells israel we have your back. now when america goes looking for opportunities to demonstrate the issue restrictive, it's all when it finds all the countries, it can wait for 3. but how the surrounded by next to kind of durham was when he's reading don't using this kind of hubris. it has a next a central problem. and i tend to think in the days of occupation deluxe maybe oh,

okay, lets spring. uh, run me in on that, run me. do you agree? i do agree with, but daniel just described that he thinks the days of occupation may be coming to an end as a result of this attack and being so in going cost. yes, i think it's becoming clear that the dimensions of the nature of the longevity meaning what kind of this has just continues to do the practice still pockets inside southern issue where findings going on the consequences of this enormous. and we won't really see them after some days or weeks, but this doesn't here the uh, the, the nature of the palestinian government. she's the seller has been shattered. the nature of is rarely a doctrine of military force and mowing the grass and starving palestinians that has to come to an end because it is by far the work, the nature,

the idea of is really superior guardian of instability has been shattered by the way, uh, so just to american urban police forces were still living through is really police trying to think twice i haven't seen was just stopping now and the nature of the american western british and other support for israel and anything it wants to do from walking the i c c, investigation that in the change that has to happen is the, the invisibility and powerlessness mobility and the synergy suffering of sending people since 1915 of the hands of british supported on the later american support. as i have colonialism that has to change into a situational kind of go through a piece wherever the people of israel and the state of israel, the palestinians of their people that surround the place all with equal rights.

we've made this offer that i don't have repeatedly mega. so for the 1st thing is assigned back to a how much time agreed to go inside. when he entered into negotiations, that's the actions due to ality and visibility is that that was the newsletter. and if anybody ask you this, because you talked about this a little while ago, the question of normalization. how is this going to play out originally? in the next few weeks, of course, because we have had some arab countries that of establish relations with israel, the u. e. for example, the biggest country in the region. saudi arabia was reportedly on a path to normalize relations with israel. that as we said, might now be on hold. but where does this leave the other countries in the region of these ivy, the palestinian issue in the palestinian people? when you look at the countries, you have to look at the leaders. i have to look at people, have the leaders doing who are staying power, to make money, to an end with job and business,

what they continue to do about the people of the region, not just the people around turkey or other people in the world. if you look all over the world, public opinion support equal rights for the product in the 100 pounds is renters. we're not talking about certainly, as rarely is released. we're talking about living with the israelis. i'm 1000 isn't totally equal. right. and resolving the cost down refugee issue, which was the beginning of the core of this problem. so the normalization, the things that go out a pretty meaningless beyond some stock exchange price increases from companies owned by people in leadership positions in the north america. so either or not to worry too much about it because sources of what i'm asked has done out of the implications that we will see coming out of popular support for what hopefully my translate into

a new political arrangement in the region that does recognize the neighbor watching the process in general is that for switching mass, support them out to who will spill over into the leaderships. okay, mr. most off about go to let me come to, you know, and ask you about a points rami raised. they said that this, these events of the past few days will no doubt change the nature of palestinian governments. not interesting. the we've hired very little from the palestinian authority in the last few days. why is that? because uh they have had that on the line. um the marginalized now um does what i had also made to the amount of generalized amount as much as possible and then look at one of them and the, the i have now i have to cross it on either the drawing. did people unsupported that items the listing is to desist and the engage an action that would lead to unit deals by the simians around the program of struggling for our rights?

or they wouldn't be much in the life completely. and. busy i think what we need now is that, or that was for me that you need to government. what we need now is the unified leadership was ordered by the students to go that, but it's not so different what the site not going to be so good. it's a good it to go to the nation with diesel q biases, but also they should put aside at the in depth. and the vision would come us and accept that we are all in one unified leadership and put it back to the ground for the democratic city elections. and the people chose the new that should do what i was going to make. one more comment do go ahead daniel. i think it's important. ready points out for you guys as we're talking with seeing the europeans and all those great me to cancel that 8 to the palestinians and i think it's in that context. ready to realize that the west on these question is during itself such as the service if it wants to be taken seriously as

a normal to back to the not the space is talks about international talks about the role is low. ready i know this question, it's not, but the rest of the wells supports the specific action this weekend. i think when you see the images, you recoil from that just as your shot of what is happening to the civilians in gaza. but if you're going to uphold international law, if you're going to claim that mantle you do is consistent, not means you cannot indulge israel's violations every day of international. you're kind of in don't the world war, nothing yahoo is just promised to commit. in gaza, you call have it both ways and you cannot pretend that you are indifferent to be indifferent to what has happened to the palestinians the day off today, you're off the decade off the deck. thank you so much. thank you. oh,

to all 3 of you for a great conversation with staff, a bank ot daniel levy around me. corey. thank you very much. once again for joining us for this discussion on inside story today. and thank you to for watching. you can always watch this program again any time by visiting our website at all, which is 0 dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash h 8 inside story. and of course you can join the conversation on x. i'll handle is that a j inside story from me for the back to going holton here in doha, thanks for watching. bye for now the the

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