with every clash across the board, and with every exchange of fire, danger of escalating the conflict yet folder into the region. anyhow? sure much as he had on the handle itself given. i mean all the 5 shipments of us military aid has now arrived in israel. yes. president joe biden is expressed as full support law secretary of state anthony blinking is visiting israel on thursday . it was a visit george rollins, president abram. right. you see on the saudi crown, prince mamma, been selma and have discussed the war and gauze in the 1st phone conversation. and since normalizing ties earlier this year, according to saudi state news, the crown prints spoke about stopping the ongoing escalation, while rejecting the targeting of civilians noting the principles of international humanitarian know they also stress the kingdoms from position towards supporting the palestinian cause and supporting efforts and that achieving a comprehensive and just piece the guarantees, the palestinian people has access to that legitimate rights,

french police. and if you have legal used force to break up a demonstration in support of the palestinians. city officials have banded with government has local after this have planned for later in the week of the artisans, paris settles imposed on pro palestinian notches the prince present. demario macro has condemned. how much does the attack on his road, but oppose this stuff? in european union, humanitarian assistance to the custody of pro palestinian demonstrations and those have been taking place in the german capital. but as a child has more, police have just told everyone in the area to the 1st they have bands all palestinian solidarity protests over the next few days, particularly in germany. this is a touchy subject because of the history of the country, the history of world war 2 and so not as a holocaust, which means that the german government and the german people. many of them consider something as simple as waving the palestinian flag as anti semitic. this is just, you know, this is always the flag on the roads. german arguments to denounce and actually

prosecute policy and advice is for the rights and policy. the right may have been paying for 75 years in the okay. now over the next few days, emotions are going to run high. there's also a big is really community here. and police say one reason why they're banning protests to prevent the 2 sides from clashing. melissa chan out to 0 for link. and ronnie's in support of the palestinian cause of taking place around the world in the united states, the marches in thousands of channels and cities. one of the biggest was in chicago . hundreds turned out in 2 days, capital santiago, which has the largest palestinian community outside the middle east. and south africa protest as compared the 75 year illegal occupation of palestine to the injustice of upon said, well, i'll be back in half an hour with more ongoing coverage. the bottom line is up next

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these shows a hi. i'm steve clements and i have a question. ukraine's leaders say they're confident of continued support for the war against russia. but our cracks starting to show in the western front. let's get to the bottom line. the 19 months ago, americans from the right and the left were strongly committed to sending billions of dollars and really large stockpiles of weapons to help ukraine defend itself and inflict significant damage on russian forces. today that support is and so black and white liberal still generally argue that america should do what it takes to continue the war, at least until ukraine is in a decent position to negotiate. but on the right, we're starting to see signs of a slow down and support america. first politicians openly say enough is enough and others want answers on where americans funding has been spent. so as for fatigue sending it. and what does that mean for the future of ukraine?

is it time for the us and nato to look for different solutions to the conflict? today we're talking with jeffrey sachs and economist who has a center for sustainable development at columbia university and offer several books including a new foreign policy beyond american exceptionalism. doctor sax, thanks so much for joining us. you've been out there some very fascinating essays saying america needs to take a look at its role in the russia, ukraine conflict that this was not simply vladimir putin trying to. and as a landscape that there is much more to it. tell us what you'd like our waters to know about the origins of this conflict. of the origins that go back 30 years to a plan by the united states to surround russia by nato countries, especially in the black sea region. already is big bridge in ski, spelled this out in an article in foreign affairs magazine in

1997. and in his book, the global chessboard, a spelling out why ukraine was so central to the american strategy to reduce or, and russia as a great power. i, the idea was that if nato would expand to all of the countries of the black sea surrounding bra showed that means to ukraine. romania, bulgaria, turkey, already a member and georgia that russia would no longer be able to project power in the eastern mediterranean or the middle east. so this was the goal and do it in 2004. i made on expanded to romania and bulgaria, and in 2008 at the bluegrass nato summit. bush, i pushed against you. are you an opposition for nato to declare that it would

enlarge to include ukraine and georgia? russia? that is, russian leaders across the board said repeatedly, this is a red line, do not cross it. we have a 2300 kilometer border with ukraine. u. nato must not attempt to enter ukraine. that would be a direct threat to our national security. there was an even broader context with steve, which is that the united states was placing missiles around your, the after having unilaterally abandoned the anti ballistic missile treaty in 2002. the united states had the bomb good for $78.00 straight days, rushes allied, bel grade, and that was a, actually a nato bombing for $78.00 days to break serbia,

a part i which it did. and then the us, unilaterally recognized i kosovo after that nato bombing the us, and unilaterally gone to war, i with a rock in 2003 over the strong objections of the un security council. the us had i covertly, but quite evidently tried to over throw bashar, all aside, in serious starting in 2011. the u. s. a. n. nato. quite explicitly of bombs, libya to over throw russian ally moammar gadhafi. and the united states conspired to violently over throw ukraine's president victory on a co bitch in february 2014. incidentally, these are all basic points,

easily known. and if were the us main stream media has gone out of its way to to create a kind of an ego right in the united states. the worst of all of this is the new york times, i'm sorry to say, won't tell it readers any of the truth. any of the background of this. what's interesting is that the nato secretary general yes, stolen burg, actually spelled it out. i think kind of inadvertently brag well, i want to, you know, i want to read paraphrase it because we're gonna, we're gonna have against oldenburg. let me bring him in right now. press them to it . in the clear in the baltimore 2021 an extra sent that's a draw off treat that they want. the native to sign in to problem is no more. nathan document, he went through the war to prevent a need to one a, to the closest borders. he has, he has got the exact opposite,

is get more natal presence in the eastern part of the lines on. he has also a seeing that the feed them has all of the joining the alliance. and sweden will soon be a full member. so what i'm hearing from both you and your surprising ally in this perspective is that there was a lot of awareness about the action and reaction that basically creating and opening that door and then solidifying it for ukraine to join nato was going to precipitate a war with russia and beyond that, as you just said was being your brzezinski, former national security adviser to president carter. then you said this was the plan all along. it was the plan and the fact that this would lead to war was understood by american diplomats. it was warned by b, u. s. in bassett, or to russia in 2008 and on other than william burns. currently r c. i a director who sent

a famous memo from moscow to conduct. lisa rice, entitled me at the means meet at no means no, and he was explaining, it's not just poor, it's across the entire russian political class to complete servant opposition to america, expanding nato to ukraine. this was clearly understood then victoria knew would then be assistant secretary of state for european affairs. now the deputy secretary of state in 2014. and it was in january actually weeks before the violent overthrow was caught on tape. presumably by the russians. guy planning the post got a co which government would replace the government and did she spelled out exactly who would become the next prime minister?

no, this is a standard us regime change operation. well, let me ask you that or just let me ask you jeff. when, when bill burns, then add bass reduce to russia of united states. now c, i a director wrote that memo. i read that memo and that memo spelled it out very quickly and said this would be a neurological issue. never. it's hard to forget that kind of language and neurology issue for the russians, if you green were to join nato and around that same time someone you and i both know richard hoss was also working for that bush administration as a director, policy planning and had written a white map paper, basically saying that if we didn't find a way, somehow to get a rough shot into nato as a member, we would inevitably end up with an us vs them dynamic. and it was really important that if you were going to neutralize the classic tension between europe and russia, that you had to find a pathway for inclusion. for russia. the past has told me that that was ignored.

but what was going on inside the administration, because not every one was on board with the so called plan that you've laid out as well. from the beginning, there were very strong voices of opposition to the nato enlargement. it goes back to, of course, to george kennedy himself, in 1997 who was our senior statesman historian, author of the containment policies who said, very explicitly, this is the worst imaginable policy to proceed with nato enlargement. and at the time he wasn't even talking about to ukraine, he was talking about in general it. in fact, in the mid 19 ninety's clinton's own secretary of defense, bill perry thought about resigning in protest. because albright and holbrook were pushing nato enlargement to be thought it was reckless to do this object map lock,

who was a b u. s. and bassett, or to the soviet union at the end of the soviet union said this is absolutely the wrong thing to do. this will recreate the dangers of confrontation with russia. right? so this wasn't a secret, but these are the neo cons. i, this is victoria new lives, the one protestant to an all address, right? she was, cheney is deputies a security advisor. then she was bush's ambassador to nato in 2008, that she quickly became hillary clinton spokesperson. then she became the assistant secretary of state during the overthrow of john a colbert. now she is biden's deputy secretary of state. she's been both parties because she's always there, this is the neo cons, and they have fought their way through and they have created an absolute disaster 1st and foremost for ukraine, right?

trapped to print. so predictably, i wrote at the beginning of all of this and took in 2022, not the very beginning, but at the beginning of this special now latoria operations that this is yet another neil con debacle. and this is exactly as it's turned out. well, given where we are now, we interviewed a former secretary of defense, chuck kagle, who's normally in the realist camp on issues. and he said this has now become a defining issue for the united states. and it's, and the impression of its power in the world that america can not stand down. he was critical of joe biden for going as slow as biden's team has gone and said it's just too significant. and on top of that, as nato has grown with many of the nato members, he said, you know, if you look at it, he would predict that russia might, had been much more uh hungry for some of these other countries. had nato not expanded to them. and i think it's spelt and berg just said, half of nato is now many of these other nato members that have joined since 1992.

so what do you do with the argument that given where we are now, that this is now perceived to be a conflict that the united states can not back out of? well, that's what has said, it's been said about every disaster that the united states has been involved in from vietnam and the domino theory on word. and all of that is just a prelude to nuclear war. they want to put it that way. we have to stop the stupidity of the united states, but got us into this mess. this is a war that the united states created pro vote a fight over throwing down a cold ridge by this nato enlargement policy. and now we have to say, look, we stop roches, gotta stop, we need to find peace before the world is destroyed in this process. so i don't buy it at all. what hazel said, that's ridiculous when you've made

a terrible blunder. light is, you don't stake everything on doubling down on the blunder. you solve the problem, and we can solve the problem by sorting this thing out properly. and the way to sort this thing out properly is to n nato enlargement. as part of that piece arrangement. in which the war stops in which you crane is secured, but it's going to be an adjusted boundaries at this point that is clear. and nato stops in leveraging. and i'm this question of the boundaries. let's remember that the united states backs boundary changes when it feels like it. so it'd be united states felt like it when they bombed serbia for $78.00 straight days to create kosovo, which the united states unilaterally recognized in 2008. that border change was fine, because the united states decided, in fact,

it was made of bombing out to serbia for 78 straight days. then the united states just thought it was just fine to change the borders of sudan. i backing this out to these insurgency and then quickly declaring recognition of south sudan. so the idea that borders are sacrosanct, but nothing can be changed. that's an american bluff. also. we change the borders when we want, but no other borders can be changed. no, this is not how the world's going to work. in reality, the united states had its chance to protect ukraine in its 1991 borders. it had complete chance for that before february 2014. it should not have conspired to over throw ukraine's president because was at that point that i russia, retail crime, me

a because russia did not want salva stobel. it's naval base at $1783.00 falling to nato pads. and the united states provoke that. but even then, the rush, it did not say we take the don't boss. not at all, what russia said use the don't boss should have autonomy as per the minutes to agreements now means to was not only guaranteed by in france and germany and the so called normandy arrangement, it was backed 15 to nothing by the un security council. and the whole told ukraine not, you don't have to follow through that would be us the united states. and so instead of compromising and having the don't boss gain some autonomy, the united states said no, you remain a centralized ukrainian state. we have your back and some back. now,

russia is creating such losses of ukraine on the battlefield. that as we debate among ourselves, russia is likely to have a major offensive operation making so much of this moved, even in the next few weeks. you know, one of the people i spoke to in the past, jeff was andre cartoon off in mosque out the director general of the, i mean, the russian issue for the national affairs. and. and he said from his perspective that he saw this conflict as one of the bond going historic aftershocks of really the fall of the soviet union and the end of the cold war, the, the, the soviet empire. any also saw america's behavior as being driven by a kind of memory of neo imperial pretensions, if you will. and basically said, we've got to sagging empires that don't know how to deal with this. and i said,

well, where it's trying to all this, you know, basically said china is enjoying watching both of these rivals go out it. how do you see china at this moment? what lessons is it drawing from this conflict? and is it benefiting from sitting back and watching russia and the united states and their and their supporters exhaust each other as well? the united states policy is done. i one thing gets big brzezinski said was unthinkable that, you know, he just thought it would be so ridiculous of american policy that he thought it really couldn't ever happen. and that's for the united states to drive russia and china together. it has a deep partners, that's precisely what the united states has done. and it's daunted by going after russia with the nato enlargement and at the same time going after china, especially in economic warfare and i visa

v taiwan. so guy, china is not sitting back and enjoying this. china is feeling a tremendous pressure from the united states, which is basically stopped by the put a, a wall on exports from china to the united states. now the china is exports are down 20 percent euro per year. 2022. in 2023. i. china has been cut off from technology. 5 united states and the united states is now unilaterally arming taiwan not as in the past. by the way, with taiwan buying a us weapons, but by the president signing orders, to give taiwan weapons under a theory that we're going to may tie once a so called porcupine filled with weaponry. that would deter a chinese attack. it will do precisely the opposite. it's the same dynamic that

lead ukraine to disaster. so right kind is not sitting back and enjoying this, but china and russia are seeing that the united states is pushing for its hedge, a monic status in an era that is where us the gemini, is completely anachronistic. it was never very sensible as an idea, but in 2023. it's so out of date. but the neo cons, i don't get the calendar, right. they just keep pushing. they declare open lead the russian china or the enemy. it's driven the 2 of them together, and this makes the situation all the more dangerous. well, let me ask you now a question about the american political scene and all of this because we've just seen the ukraine funding stripped out a of a funding continuing resolution bill. i don't want to lose our viewers in the weeds on this, but nonetheless, ukraine funding was a very hot item this week and discussed. and as we know,

going towards the 2024 presidential election that ukraine and american support for ukraine. and i have to say, i've been amazed by how resilient ukraine was. i was, you know, it's been, it's been interesting to watch this. but you can see how it's becoming more and more of a political football between both sides as they begin to struggle. and there is just that there is, um, you know, basically measurable decline and republican support for ukraine. so as you sort of look at this and, and look at joe biden saying, we will be there as long as it takes and you'll see others saying, we can't get a bill through congress right now with ukraine funding. what is the scenario you see coming in and this week this is lead to a sensible outcome or a tragic train wreck. so we're, we're at the end of day, any large scale support data from the united states for ukraine. i think that that

is smart except that date it should be combined with real negotiations between the us and russia and ukraine on new security arrangements. so guy, i think that this war should end through negotiations, not through this continue the flood of money. the money is drying up because the american people are against it strongly and the republican party, but also the democratic grass roots is not for this either. so the politicians in washington in the white house expects to get its way, but no, you know, the voice of the people are, is actually being heard right now. and it will be heard more and more as we entered the presidential election campaign. but it's not only the united states all through western europe. the leaders are deeply unpopular because of the effects of this war

. they don't buy it. and slovakia just elected a government big campaign precisely on stopping any more aid for ukraine. poet, which was the great backer of ukraine, is not even on speaking terms. government the government right now hungry has been long set against this. we're seeing that none of this makes sense, especially with ukraine having been ever stated on the battlefield. this summer, the counter offensive, a complete tragedy, a massacre except if you have to, during the too short time. so the main stream media. but if you really follow the facts on the ground, this has been horrible. and all through western europe and the american i seen there is a call for something different. did this something different?

should be a negotiated piece. fascinating discussion. columbia university professor jeffrey sachs. thanks so much for your candor. and for joining us today. great to be with you, steve. really appreciate it. so what's the bottom line? there's just no doubt about it. us age, ukraine has become a political football. it's still flowing, but thanks for getting murkier as we get closer and closer to election day, washington has 3 options. as i see it one, it could pull back, which will accelerate a very different world order with the us. perhaps less central or 2. it could push for and negotiated into the conflict in a way that doesn't result in a collapse of confidence in america, stops the blood shed and assures ukraine its sovereignty in a sustainable arrangement or 3 vitamin ukraine. supporters keep pumping money and arms end of the war, hoping rushes operation collapses before renegade republicans cut off those dollars . but right now, we're closer to the scenario of slash funding and military 50,

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