then with a real good, are you arabs heavy about this? that is not the one enough people mostly like about that all random killings of people in palestine. the cool countries un security council on the hour countries to take the united decision and deliver a to our people in palestine, lift the blockade and put an end to the random killings of the civilians should be safe in the cities. immediately after friday prayers in the duty and capital of the month, people began protesting against the is really a strikes when civilians in going to they were similar things in human where the who, the leadership, his world israel to stop the butcher speech stick with the tone to sort of deputy with other students as thousands of indians, most in the campuses that are on the recent violence seems to have fun and te, israel an anti american sentiment and because of an angry and thought that as well for suppression prayers for the victims of it's really a task governing against the,

against the kind of a clear violation of human rights and the rights of the the, the commission, which is the security forces in georgia in front of you guys to disperse protest as you try to approach the, it's really border towns also gathered in buffering bucket soon. glenn, it's done in a dentist, the majority nations demanding they've built more demonstrations of public. i'm lucky to continue that as long as it's real, keeps up, the bombing does it. so i'm gonna be driving down to 0. the bar on show of is really far has continued into gaza on ebay to the across. also electricity,

food fuel and monetary aid has been console for civilians. bear the brunt of the attack in residential areas. but whole neighborhoods have been flattened back from more of a hospital coverage. all the costs of israel and hoffman are just on the days to the

government challenges here. on october 7th from us launched a verizon of rockets and you guys are followed by a coordinated incursion into israel by him ost fighters. scores of unarmed civilians were killed and many taken hostage in response to the attack is really prime minister netanyahu war, quote, a mighty vengeance against the group. israel has since retaliated with a complete siege of gaza launching airstrikes and raised entire districts, killing hundreds and injuring thousands in the palestinian enclave. on today show will delve deep into the conflict coming up in the 2nd half of the show will speak to the former deputy foreign minister for israel, the former foreign policy adviser connecting yahoo, danny i along with us 1st the senior spokesperson for him as well. so i'm, i from the, the summer having dan senior spokesperson for, from mass. thank you so much for joining me on upfront. thank you. on october 7th,

how mass launch that attack when they fire thousands of rockets into israel militants into the country, into the scores of civilians hostage including women and children and the elderly. while the right of resistance is absolutely secured for all occupied people under international law, the use of force is not unlimited, and targeting civilians and taking hostages are war crimes. how can you justify attacking civilian targets? what is thank you for having me. first of all, i have to say that this is the story from this very besides, which is not to lead me to. i have to tell you to orleans if was the image on the list to us today and far as the settlement, then they said there is no evidence is that time i slow to children. i'm sorry that the government is using bad to committed crimes and goes. so this is,

this is the 1st part of the off. we have also some of this i, it is, i think this has not happened. and it's use this as 25th story to use to kind of more kind of thing. that's what this is. the question was, how do i justify attacking civilian side of the course? a lot of the question, you know the question was how can you justify attacking civilian targets was when you listen? no, no, no good. the question was how can you just the 2nd facility and target new uh, austin. you are asking when we make this real what the right question is, but, but i do what i would like you to answer this question. how do you justify the target this is i don't question and i'm not going to the same game based on this. well, i'm asking a very clear question about civilian. all right, let me, let me ask a very direct question. have any civilians been killed when? i don't know exactly because this is was told by the somebody, it is. what i'm telling you that for you just this isn't a government you're decided on that he says civilians were killed. you know,

he didn't say he was, he said no evidence that showed that he said what, as long as the, the other bodies up is rarely murdered. in their homes, to me, those are his words. you are wasting the time. it's your time is not my time. you are listening but not all right, let's pause for the question while i'm up with you find out that the billions had been killed. would you consider that justified, or would you consider that unjustified? there is 300 children have been killed today and goes up by the latest to a 100 women have been killed today by the as late as in does 1000 to have the children with in just 1000 women with and jumped today just today. and just the thing that you are asking me their own question, you'll have to ask about what is happening does, which is on the siege for the last 17 years, which are, which is on the offensive,

is an idea that for the last 4 days, you keep asking about this about it is why you don't ask about the statements, thoughts, all the printers that let us know 30 starts are sure that the rest of the shows. now i have to continue. you are asking about this. i use, you won't ask about the students. no one cares about the status. this is the story . the story is the compassion. 75 years of provision for the kind of statements we have to talk about that your vision and how that sort of thing. and i'm looking to, for the basic to vision our and how can we make, i mean, for this situation, this is a study as not the story about what you want us to know about. okay. i understand your perspective to be clear. after this interview i will be interviewing a representative of these really military and i will be asking him about israel's war crimes. i absolutely acknowledge that israel has committed war crimes. in fact,

i have written a book with a whole. 6 about gaza and the end, the war crimes that be committed against guys with their so please do not suggest to me that i do not take this issue seriously. however, however, let me say is i love the thank is the but i see now that we have find out the sprint site. sorry, let me, let me go back. i, i just okay, i'm not comparing any. i'm not gonna say anything, but please allow me to finish. my question for you. it is, is everyone living inside of a settlement, a legitimate military target for him as a according to the measure, know the sick gloves. i'm not so feelings so so much again. human rights organizations have said the legal status and settlements under international human humanitarian law does not negate the rights of the civilians living there. the fact that a person lives in a settlement with a legal or not does not make him or her a legitimate military target. so getting in light of the fact that human rights organizations would argue, but even the settlements are illegal,

the people living inside of them are still considered civilians. how to use the moving forward. oh, how masses, vision of whether or not settlements are legitimate and military target when they legitimate thing, which i believe in that. but his son is our land and i want people are living on our land challenging. that's your vision for the last 75 years. on the 75 years, the women that just didn't work just by the soul, just that is that it is a plus, their homeland was sticking. they were replaced by this is what came from everywhere in the world. they talk different sandwiches, and they tell him that this land is for them to ask any one of them about the creation of his father. he will take you to portland, or to a junkie in a box. if you are off i need, but a student about the grip of is 70. if you get on further, it will take you to someplace and put a sign showing good. a good way of sending you this is with minus 17 grandfather it was, but it or maybe before that we are in this land from the days of jesus christ. don't

ask me about that those 6 months and those sort of just what couldn't my people every day, every time. and this is the thought. what's to be at that is this done. so for the students that the student has been not stopped. so let's talk about these really response to different mass attack, which has been for rick, is real, is bombing it as a and declared a complete synch costs food fuel and water from being admitted to over 2000000 people. thousands of palestinians are going to die. one resident from san eunice said, this is a bloody war that is different from previous wars. what is going on right now is total annihilation. and we see this horrific response by the israeli government. my question for you is, i have the actions of

a mass over the past week. made things worse for palestinians on the ground. as i, as i've done this before, they found that in front of 2014 they, they come to the city of columbus and 2014 for 17 days. they cut the, the, it's for the host with us in 2014, 2500 students with church and 2021 more than 1000 philistines. whitfield, no one remembers the number because the students. but i want to tell you they were shocked by what had happened to them on me. i live in, i live in barnes. it military point swim, attacked by them of that this will come as the sort of does what codes are being taken as the war. but as long as i'm is what it is, was shop. this is them in tools attacking does the for the last 2 years, they fall down in

a few hours. this is special. they want to get back the image of the army. they want to show everyone that is not, it can destroy everyone at the same point. so the engine that, that's just an important point you're making, you're saying that is real uh, sort of commit to a certain kind of response when it looks bad. that is real response disproportionately, and that israel already wants to use this as a pretext for destroying the palestinian people. i'm saying, you know, that's going to happen. then. how do you calculate the decision to launch an attack? knowing that a university is going to be by knowing that power is going to be cut off, knowing that fuel is going to be cut off knowing that people are going to die because of the as rarely response. if you know that, why do you still make the, the attack, particularly when the palestinian people don't have a say and whether or not that's going to happen. this is a good question. you know,

the fact that there's what it is i'm getting the scene as an order to waste all the times, for example, and most back in the last 10 months, more than 500. but a student has worked since most of them were shipments they were suited in the streets just the most today. i think before the, i guess those are any thoughts. the fact which everyone have to understand that that the secure patient is getting the student has all the time. he's not giving them any chance to have normal life is not giving them the chance to be independent until they have their independence over. and instead even office 30 years of science signature, of course like 3 months is not implementing. i mean, the service, it ships who doesn't care about the international know. so we are facing this fact there's a, it is attending you. if you are 3, be 3 things, then peacefully or if you live, assisting them. and at the end of the day that your patient is still there. so it's better to resist them being slow top they leave without even resisting that your

patient. what was the goal of last week's actually? what was the, what was the immediate goal of last week's actions? what, what, what would you say the target? her goal was? is the goal because the goal is to make, i'm in for the, in the tax i guess. but for the students to american in florida is a that tax on jewels that in my laptop and westbank taking over the lands on sort of decision this, this line is outstanding for, along along a to patient on the stein. and i think if they don't, the sent from what had happened the last 4 days, this ottoman will not protect the the virus will not protect them. even if they were supported by them not stares. if they want to be able to fix it, they have to have the knowledge dependency advice and to implement the services and russians which gave us to young people device without negotiations, those are rights. no one can negotiate or watch somebody having dan,

thank you so much for joining me on upfront. thank you. we tried repeatedly to get in is really armies, bolts person on the show to respond to her mass. but they canceled the scheduled interviews from one of the developments and gaza. we are joined by israel's former deputy foreign minister, and a former foreign policy advise, which is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu. danny iowa. danny ireland, thank you so much for joining me on upfront. my pleasure. danny. last saturday, the 7. how mass launched a devastating attack of thousands of rockets were fired towards israel and hundreds of him as fighters crossed into the country. there are reports of her if it killings of is really civilians. a clear, clear violation of international law and response is really the prime minister. benjamin netanyahu threatened to turn the gaza strip into quote, rumble, and the government announced a whole complete siege of the enclave. since then, we've seen mass bombing and gaza with reports that hundreds of civilians have been

killed in a while. the actions of her mass are a clear and i want to emphasize that a clear violation of international law is the collective punishment of all guidance . also by definition of war crime, not really because the situation is very clear, you know, as you mentioned, rightly so from us, the perpetrators a kind of tag which was a surprise attacks the idea of what's going on on. i'm prepared, and they got a major victory for the 1st 24 hours. but who was this victoria guest, babies and children and all families that were mess recruiting bad idea. it was nowhere to be seen when the ideas came back. now they pushed them back into the gods and now the problem with the commodities that they're committing to double work, right? because they are targeting or civilians and they're using they are also billions the poor kind of see any of the guys as human shields. and what is what the of the gave them a fair warning and you know, i think this is the only way to do with them is we told the,

the government people to clear the area temporarily. so we can go and take some us out and then of course they can come back. so these by definition is not a work, right? we understand the appliance of the palestinians, they deserve their dignity and everything else. but nothing justifies butchering families. you know, these days you mentioned the 7th of october, was the day that more jews were killed in 24 hours than any other day since the holocaust. so you see me without, without, without question. respectfully this, this is a devastating moment. an extra interactive violence that against violence of international. you said a couple of things that are, that i want to push, they want to push you on. oh, the idea of collective punishment is one of the things that we're talking about here. the electricity has been cut, power has been cut fuel has been cut the, the guys and people right now are being punished for the actions of her mass. how

is that not by definition, collective punishment to do things. uh, 1st of all, how much is true guys uh, into an enemy state. so there is no law, nothing in international law that compels the country you are in a, in a war, we have to supply them the, the electricity. now what do they use? the electricity as an actor, as i can find power international law, does say that you have certain responsibilities by law but, but before we get there, even if we will hold it for a moment, the power thing, there are residential buildings being hit. there are hospitals being hit, there's a densely populated area, the idea of being able to run away or to escape or go to a safe area. seems impossible also, according to your own military representatives. you've abandoned the idea of knocking on rules. that is, that is a giving

a warning of dropping and non explosive munition on buildings and for people go so people aren't getting a warning. they have no where to go. residential building schools and hospitals are being hit. how is this not again, inactive part of punishment, and how is this not a target of civilian unless of course you regarding everybody and guys as an independent. okay, well i hear you. i hear you, but it again, what we gave the population is a fair warning. what would you do? you know what, what was the fair warning this time? i just wanna make sure we're on the same page here. benjamin netanyahu told everyone to leave the area where were they to go? ok, very very. i mean this was, this is thought out. it's not something that we tell them go, uh, go to the beach is go drive your sale as a god forbid. not at all. there is a huge expense, almost endless space in the sine, my beds are just on the other side of guys and the idea he is, and this is not the 1st time it would be that they didn't use for them to leave

over to the open areas where we and the international community, we prepare the infrastructure, you know, 10 cities with food and water. you know what? just like for the refugees of syria that flip the butchering goal for us. a few years ago to turkey. truth, you receive 2000000 of them. this is the idea. now, egypt will have to play ball here because once the, the population is out of sight, then we can go, you know, what, the kind of, what they, what some of them, you know, we want to part of the population out of sight. is that practically possible in such a densely populated area? and then at the 40s, i mean just to 1000000 people in the dizzily populated enclave 47 percent of the inhabitants are. children isn't reasonable or plausible to think that all those people are going to relocate to this is excluded area and be safe from, from, from

a bombing attack. and again, the, what we're saying there's one is but there are numerous reports on the ground, but there are no warnings that people are getting hit. the families have been killed. some of these attacks are tells you in a practical matter what we should do and what we can do create like in the past, in history. a many terry and corner door when there is like many terry and corner door. and we have been discussing this with the united states, and then we can guarantee in this corner door that nobody would get hurt. no, again, i say there is a way to receive them all on the other side for temporary time. i'm saying that because what the semester and all the other side of we're talking about reference, are you saying that they have decided to go to egypt? yes, absolutely, absolutely. and egypt will have to play ball because this is human life is at stake . the live at stake because you're cutting our power here. you're shutting down hospitals, you're bombing residential, putting them. all right, now there's a hospital that has not, does not have sufficient power. there is

a hospital where people are literally going to die. it is really the energy minister. israel kat said, no, electrical switch will be turned on. no, hydro will be open. no fuel truck will enter until the is really of the t's are returned home. now the i c, r c, 's votes, person who shot my hand and said that by cutting that power, hospitals are going to turn into graveyard. this is not an ideologue, this is the international committee of the red cross. they're saying that because of your country's actions, not the actions of the mass, not the actions of egypt, but because of israel's actions. hospitals are going to turn into graveyards. how is that not a war crime? how is that defensible by any standard to 1st of all the work, right? if anything is how much they are, the ones, and i know exactly what you're talking about, how much does not allow sometimes when they can, they keep those civilians happy if they don't allow them to run away because this

is what they want to know. i know the area and i, i suppose you're talking about the main hospital, which is the, she thought possibly the she felt costs because has been turned into a commercial banker. if somebody wants to save them, basically just leave. there are come out and nothing will happen, but as long as they keep the she saw hospital just like a schools in kindergarten, is bankers and they find out from there, there is no law. there is no law in this universe very context to them. and this is what we're doing, and this is what the is the, is there. are there any independent reports or the, any intelligence reports that show that the shit for hospital is it? is it from that is primarily from as bunker and not an actual medical site. yes, and you know where i know where went and mark my words and you can show it again because i know it's a, it's recorded. well, this war is over and we will bring in the international press. will she fall into

all the bunkers, the underground tunnels there's, i must, as creative team does not as competitive services of every country in the world, they know. but anyway, what i'm saying, no, just to be clear for the audience has benefit no intelligence services as the claimant. one government of claims that the ship at hospital is a, is it how has been good, that is your claim. and i wanna make be very clear that is your claim and you're saying you don't have any reports, but that i should just trust, you know, mark awards trust you in later on. it'll probably be proven true. and i'm telling you everybody will see okay after the war, is that fair enough? i haven't. i have to move on just the interest of time. but, but i want, i want to continue on the same vein because the secretary general of the un, antonio gutierrez said that he was deeply distressed by israel israel's announcement of a siege. when the guys a strip, he said that the humanitarian situation quote, will only deteriorate exponentially and that crucial lifesaving supplies, including fuel, food and water must be allowed into gaza. so the, you with the things you must do this, you're saying you're not going to do this. um, how do you know you're not?

we're not saying that he's like, don't mean we've been doing it immediately. what is like, what's, what's your don't know, he's like, no way of doing good doing immediately. i. yeah, i got you. i kept exactly what we're saying. i'm saying we will do everything for the guys and people once and now we do manage immediate surrender, unconditional surrender of how much, how much people come out with their hands up and clear their weapons. believe me, everything will be restored to god. it is how much, how much here. okay, now i am here and thank you for clarifying that sir. i think, i think, i think we're actually on the same page here. you're saying that once how much leaves you'll, you'll grant the the, the guys and people, food, shelter, fuel, electricity, hospital schooling. and then if they don't and from us definitely, then they'll continue to star and die in hospitals. you are defining for the international community right now. collect the punishment. you're saying until until her mouse acts differently, the 2000000 people in guys are going to be treated this way. and once her mouth

acts differently, these 2000000 people in guys will be treated better. that is exactly what collect the punishment is you're holding them accountable for the actions of others. that is the definition of the textbook definition of, of, of collective punishments there that you may, you may accept, but that's what you want to do with this is absolutely contravention of international law. well, i said, you know, had we had no, if we had, we pushed it to the wall of push it up to the wall. we want to open a minute. tell him corey door so that can lead. but if i must, so i don't hear much. so that will, can lead citizen over here saying civilians can leave, but only for the rough i border correct. at this point. yes. so they can cause whereas, you know, got here you can go with this real i'm tell you one more thing. i want to say if uh, what's your interest that point, they'll just smile, sir, respectfully, you're saying like you're making your car door, they didn't do it. they can go to egypt, you're bombing them. you say you want to save them, but you can't come in. first of all, i'm not smiling. i'm crying,

she's my heart. i'm crying to my heart for all the what's the rate of thousands of years radius. why do you think the world is with us? why do you think the word is what all the internet should be? there was there. so don't that talk to me about collecting punishment, don't you? what somebody tell me, these are new. most of the game. there is no co existence with how much which is worse than isis, and we will not stop. we are, is there a lot with the population to leave, but how much we surrender. there won't be any problem whatsoever. danny, i alone. thank you so much for telling me on a front pleasure. all right, that is our show upfront. we'll be back the estimates i'll gc was corresponding on the bus this morning has

a cold air strikes, shells as guns bolts from the seat. there's been a lot of destruction here in the villages as of this deal with a number of bodies from the south bay with us for the latest development on. i'll just 0. i'm sure you're part 2 question. what do you see? right, well let me see if i can change or thank the good news for everybody has different thinking that's from from the space on the right. we want to do the best for children of this area. every time i see these kids just bring me right back and i couldn't control things. i just like those kids stuff. what do you think protected?

well, maybe it's a pretty name for something free. putting yourself in a person's shoes so you can see from a different angle. can you voice much what sonic i talked to, but in hard to control anger, putting him against the full screen and did a poem that them angrily victory or stephen. this scholar for the children were thinking of, i'm thinking and that's why i want the

college's here with the chills while trying to flee 70 civilians are hit by. it's very strikes and what was supposed to be a safe route to something gosh, the okay. it's almost and this is i'll just say a lot from the house that's.