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hello that on james bays as well, rages in garza, the u. s. is engaging in a flat rate of diplomacy across the middle east. this extra estate and to me blinking has made a show of support to israel. closely followed that by defense secretary lloyd austin. but many of washington's arab allies are conflicted. many have moved closer to israel in recent years, but on the streets, many people are riley and the show of solidarity with palestinians in casa. we'll go to our panel in just a few moments, but 1st, since and model, how has this report the us secretary of state had 2 messages for his is really ally . the 1st was complete support for its campaign, so that's right to self defense. the other was a call to protect civilians course in the crossfire. it's under the same sense. it's all important to take every possible precaution to avoid harming civilians. and that's why the more and the loss of every innocent life, the civilians of every place. every nationality who been killed but diplomacy

becomes more challenging for blinking as he seek support in the arab world. he wants to prevent the conflict from spreading a minimize support for him off other armed groups and gaza. but there been protests in many parts of them, at least expressing outrage israel's campaign, and solidarity with gaza. this outcry is putting pressure on leaders many r u. s. allies and some have normalize relations with israel. in recent years. israel's bombing campaign and gaza is killed. 100, the civilians added seats cutting off food and water supplies has been widely condemned cash or could play a key role as a potential mediator. it doesn't have ties with israel, but it maintains links with both. i'm off the west blinking set out 2 areas where they're working together. we discussed in detail our efforts to prevent any a state or non state. we're creating

a new front in this public. we're also working intensively together to secure the release of cost to put american citizen being held by a mouse and gather cutters. prime minister made it clear, there were differences to his nation once an immediate cease fire. we cannot the 5, if it and goes out for me to assist you with that. and at madison and i for the means of life. the u. s. has many allies in the region, but israel's campaigns placed them in a difficult position. how much cooperation can they get their partners in washington at the risk of ignoring public opinion in their own back yard? vince monahan for inside story. well let's now bringing in a panel of guess to discuss all of this in east jerusalem. yara, hawaii, a senior analyst at the alex, rebecca, the policy and policy network and independent thing turned in washington, dc rich outs. and he's

a retired us army tunnel. who works is that you political consultants and in munich we have nancy o. kyle: she's president and c o as a think tank center international policy. welcome to you. oh, we have until the blinking on a diplomacy tool. now that's the diplomacy often means that he's trying to try and get some sort of pace. but as we know, he's not actually seeking a c spot, in fact, no likelihood. you all right, he's preparing the, our world isn't t for a great to conflict with is right. the troops entering a ground defensive stage. absolutely, and i think there are really 3 main things that blinking has been focusing on fast . they've got the stability or the he closest ability of the region. and this is particularly important in light of the there are many protests of solidarity which has seen tens of thousands hit the streets from backed up to 2 years. and indeed, the arab governments will be worried about, you know, threats to the rings. turbidity emits their reduction because the published and you

struggle despite no nice ation between many governments is still held. it's the hubs so many close to them, at least. so can move on reassurance from these heads of state that they will be maintaining the stability. i'm internal repression, but also the issue of is ready to capt captive. so you know, he wasn't in concert, as you mentioned. and i think, you know, this is one of the few countries that has a direct line with some us. but, but what's interesting is that blinking seems more concerned about the is ready to captive, then there is there any regime itself. and we've seen variances. reg administered as, um, army personnel completely dismissed. the recovery of kept us in favor of bombing goes into oblivion. and when we have reports from cause of the indeed, so some is ready to capt as have died in, in the football. but, but i also think, and this is, you know, one of the, the most important points that lincoln will be trying to,

to emphasize is the creation of the so called humanitarian, colorado. and i think, you know, we have to pause for a 2nd and think about what that means. you know, on the basis that describing it as a safe passage full time as begins to get out of concept. but the fear is that actually this is not a humanitarian, colorado, i told brother a permanent march all that. so we know that these ready rescue does not respect any of the international conventions on the right over time for refugees. so there is no expectation whatsoever that wants to bug bomb. it has stopped, the palestinians will be allowed back to the homes. so blinking is essentially during and probably consciously settings that he's facilitating the ethnic cleansing of casa rich. let me bring you in. we seen in the 1st stage of this trip, very, very storage support from israel, from the secretary of state, despite some of the things we're seeing on the ground that yours just talked about . despite comments coming from is right. the ministers imposing a complete state siege, the defense minister cooling causes,

human that animals. he is very much taken these riley side. is that cause you will that consuming us medium? is that part of? partly because of the media coverage and the public opinion in the united states, would you say? i think it's a do in part of those things. certainly the media coverage and the framing, the narratives if you will, and washington and most of your certainly western europe differs quite a bit from what one sees and most of them, at least. but i mean, look inherently not just in terms of framing. this is a very different sort of attack. so most americans haven't taken the scenes that came out, especially that in the early hours of the attack on saturday and sunday of a specific individual targeting of his rarely use as an intolerable atrocity. and that is similar to what happened, a united states after $911.00. when, you know there was a visual response to that, the gulf and i should board for the strong shorts of actions. i think there's sort

of an echo of that in terms of very strong support publicly, with the exception of additional volkswagen diversity campuses to for his real textual or restructuring. now, as you recall, we were led into strategic error perhaps with the invasion of rack and other steps because of the anger over outrages church. the actual one has to take the moral outrage and balance that with what's gonna actually work to stabilize and reduce tensions. and that's what, what construct is all about. on the one hand, you have to validate the anger not just of is really huge, but the american people about the nature of these attacks on civilians. i guess we could talk about whether that's a double standard with regards to the suffering of goals or civilians. but there is a global anchor in the united states for us to respect that and show solidarity with this rule. while at the same time trying to keep this from blowing over to something that kills the abrahamic gorge, killing regional normalization average between israel and air station,

which actually brings in other combat. nancy, let me bring you in stage 2 of the trip. he went from jerusalem from tel aviv that to jordan and he met the policy and president mahmoud abbas in jordan. an interesting lead west noting, i think he didn't go to that on his normal jet. he had to take the u. s. c. 17 plane, in terms of meeting mahmoud abbas in jordan. that was a snap, wasn't that to yes. so does, and i, i think it's just like one of the different ways the, the us government is trying to appease israel. uh and making sure to send the message that they are not on both on this thing. uh huh. uh, and this has been reflected very clearly and, and strongly about the script for israel, of course, is earl,

has the right to define it. so it doesn't have the right to attack civilians and have the ultimatum that was given basically a trying to get a license to kill or giving 1100000 a simians in guys the 24 hours to to move at. so i think it, me just, this is a consistent with what we have been c. c with the us administration is trying to send the message that, you know, both countries are not on the same level even though to present in biden's credit. he did a stretch the point of observing international humanitarian law and supporting and preserving a civilian yard. as you, as a nancy said that it was well, he was in jordan. but israel then issue this evacuation order that some

international lawyers say is basically case of forced transfer. there's been such a strong reaction to that of the un secretary general, strongly oppose urging israel to rescind the older the international community. the red cross saying the instructions and not compatible with international humanitarian law and the wealth house organizations, i'm moving severely ill people amounts to a death sentence once your reaction, your to the fact that then until the blinking really didn't criticize the tool a michelle king. but it was so not surprising of the same time the us has been in the swans ally of these, right? the regime for, for many years is seen as sort of this, this regime that protects its interests in the middle east. and it's going to give him a call lunch to commit a whole host of crimes against the palestinian people. i think what's particularly shocking about this moment is that these organizations have, have actually come out and alluded to

a new cleansing. they've even used one such as genocide, and yet we still have blinking and also of his including either politicians from the european union. encouraging this not even playing it down, which is what they usually do. um, they are at to be encouraging that by sending, for example, the us to send the conditions to these by the regime and have state to time and time again. you know that, that the us is an unwavering friend of these, right? the regime issac commits these massive will crimes. moving 1100000 people to the south of gaza is not fussing in the timeframe that they've given. and they notice and they know that many people in hospitals will not be able to move. they know that they have bond roads, an infrastructure. we even have reports, video and fence. all is there any regime bombardments targeting combines with people leaving so many kind of thing is, are actually choosing not to me. because at the end of the day, they know that there is

a likelihood that they will be bones and that they will die and that they would prefer to do so in their own homes. and i think we have to be very clear that the us i'm, i'm thinking of facilitating this and encouraging it. they will mongering rich the west all seem to be on the same page a week ago. yet we've seen the developments of the continued bombardment, this order for people to move on. now you're getting comments like this. the irish prime minister, cutting off power coming off fuel supplies and go to supplies. that's not the way a respectable democratic state to conduct itself. and the only evacuation to you hi, representative for foreign policy. joseph burrell evacuation is off to the obsolete impossible to implement the western partners i'm beginning to split to think washington will be worried where. busy it's actually consistent with historical matters if you look at the previous balance with violence involving is re. busy and neither a neighboring states, but never attacked israel or got involved in more with this real world. sort of a person by

a hunch involving that the palestinian territories. typically what happens is there sort of a clock that starts taking break them both for washington and key allies in your there's normally a great deal of sympathy bridge rule, which from my point of view in this case is absolutely warranted. given the nature of the terror attacks, but then there's also appear that is really response will be a semester and it will inflict too much pain, not on the last terrorist to carry this these attacks out. but on the average palestinians were trying to live their life and goss, i'm also sympathetic to that. so this sure. spinning off, we're splitting off of a model that extra parker is real, it's very typical and it will accelerate. so there's sort of a clock going on. this one is real hash tags truly in my view of the 1st is to change the nature of almost as activities in the instruction that this can never happen. again, we cannot ignore the nature of what was allowed to happen and gaza is uh over by home us. but we should not make the mistake of thinking

a model represents the power steering authority, the prostate people. there are term, in this case, at least part of the matter that executed these attached to, well removing their ability to reprise that she really has to be mindful to get people in washington will increasingly become impatient with an uncomfortable with change of dead civilians and gossip and the movement of the, as you say, the 1100000 people so that that's the. busy wheel turning and israel has to be mindful of that as a conductor to response. the next leg of the trip went from jordan to cap. so again, i think efforts to try and encourage regional players to stop any escalation and spill over the world. but of course, catch all plays a unique role as you will 3 know because it's a channel of community patients with her mouse. and that brings up the issue of the captives. i was actually attending of the the, the press conference that took place between the country prime minister and the

secretary of state. i spoke to an advisor to the category, prime minister about the captives. um, what kind of uh, was going to do the focus of the american side, the basically the as effectively can stay to the risk of as, as seeking more from that when it comes to the, all of a facilitating context and making sure that the chance of communication stay open so we can see assets focusing towards the release of the president's end of the escalation. and it took him to that meeting those layers to make sure that there was no extra inc, escalation outside the scope. and counsel has a unique role when it comes to those prisons because you have the content was how much and you've been involved in the post in brokering which is over and gone. so what do you think? all the chances of being able to get some of those persons released because we are talking at a but of a complicated scene on the ground. at the moment i can tell you that we are at and we stayed with

a lot of exploration. is this taking place with the shelling of that continues the length of lease and the way that it would make it very difficult even to disagree to speak about such as that you see the issue of how that we are also gonna communications and making sure that the all parties understand what the event had you and we, we always optimistic. it's nancy from cats, all the secretary of state went very briefly to bar. right. and it wasn't on the original list. and you know, he stopped off with the airport and then to saudi arabia and you a, now these countries of different from castle because they are the countries that have normalized relations with israel, or saudi arabia. recording department is to benjamin after you mentioned y'all who was on the cost of doing so. how difficult not to do think it will be in these countries, given the public opinion, may be in a very different place from the, the opinions of leadership. i think this moment,

and the escalation that we have been seeing over the past week have shed light on how the assumptions and the foundations on which the so called abraham accords for peace has been problematic and have been a tragedy, as well as the home icon for as an, an all like the efforts for normalization have ignored the people of the regions and focus on foraging piece deals or defense deals as the controversial us saudi arabia defense deal that has been in discussions over the past weeks. and this has been such a short sighted few that thinking that you could have a 1st of all, again, a defense score, a record normalization

t you with leaders who are in is going to be a 3rd period and not representing the public and expect that this would be sustained and could be stable. now defense of the past 7 days have shown that this is not possible because the situation is unfair. and then the deals and then pounds have been for on trends that we're not giving justice to costing you. basically giving crumbs to the palestinians was focusing on arms deals between the u. s. and target rate. all this of mine is contributing to the, the very well understanding that everyone is now hopefully aware that you cannot force such deals or agreements for normalization with i would say not

just over 13 years, but i'd say i'd say the individuals and this is the crown prince, my husband said man, you are for going to deal with an individual, not a country, and not it is an agreement or so at the the approval of the people. the reason why most our leaders re out are into negotiations and showing support for how the rate is showing support for palestine is of course for palestine also for their own stability because they are very well aware that as the situation continues, as we see the video is encouraging guys and being gone even when they're trying to follow the rules. and in fact,

ways this would not fit in well with the public. it will be protest and they are not ready to face this. and that's why they are trying hard right now to play an effective pool for you. all right, if i could ask you about what is the final leg of the trip, which is to egypt in many ways. egypt is the most important because many describe goals are, isn't the largest opened at present in the world. and if it's rather the jailer than egypt also has a key to that prison that were being suggestions. i wonder if you've heard these from some in his right, the political circles that the ultimate aim is to remove all the citizens of garza and send them up to the sign. i un un get them out of gaza. is that something that palestinians are really concerned about at this stage? oh, yes, i think so, and that's why i kept using the time spent cleansing because i'm thinking stop with the bump off and not the alternate go with push palestinians out of gaza or even to

concert hall. so it's an even smaller, smaller space and we've had um, is there any officials talking about wanting to pressure egypt and type thing on the crossing to allow palestinians to to go into the sign. i've didn't so that i maybe even described setting up a 1050. this amounts to august to be a good time. it's the fullest displacement of rent, an entire population of people that are ready, refugees, several, several generations. and that's why we're seeing messages and social media posts from people in gaza saying that they will not be at homes because they know that and leave them at home will probably mean that they will be exiled calmly from them . so i think it's very clear that we are seeing, is there any regime attempting to go on a support for this plan? they were corner, of course, the temporary re housing or

a temporary moving of people for the safety. but the reality and you know, you don't have to take my word for it, we have 7 decades. all these ready regime, consistently denying policy and refugees the right to return home as proof of their intentions. but i do think it will be a hard so the egyptian regime age and regime sent me does not want. and any policy or refugees let alone millions of the in, within that borders. and so i think that they, if they will go free with this, the us will have to come up with a big prize for the age of 2 machines and for them to, to open level, which is, let me bring in, not in c on that's how the stabilizing, it could, could it be for aged if that, well, not necessarily all of the people in causal, but a lot of people in gauze that came into egypt because presidencies,

not let strong se as well. this would be highly disturb lending. and the president of the c c is well aware of that, but before we talk about how does this step and lives in this would be for agents. we also need to, i mean, i just want to underscore what are a sense that uh, the displacements an exporting the problem to egypt has been in the plans in the works. and the try to do that in the israel areas. and i'm back before the biden administration as a questionnaire and trump has tried to do that and trying to move this type of scenes to sign. i'm thinking if they throw money over the issue and bride that direction, government that would work. and of course again, this is the same folks assumptions upon which the upper home are grades have been found. it. now,

i think president cc surprising may have been really clear about nash, you know, security in, in egypt. so he has measured and why is responses? i mean, i think just a few hours ago, there were news that yes, i mean, you just would support the american nationals who are in gaza to cross russell. however, she made a clear, a condition that this would only be possible if you allow humanitarian aid into guys. i mean, i okay, so i want to bring action on that. i want to bring a rich rich in on that not non safe. there is this deal, it seems for us nationals and all been you, jewel, nationals, we think that about 500 to 600 us citizens in gaza for them to leave, leaving behind of course the other 2400000 gardens who the on the siege with no

power, no more. so at the end of this trip, if that is achieved by secretary of state, thing can, will he see that as a success as well? yes, it's the 1st responsibility of the image stated to protect its citizens and that goes to the united states as roles that goes for is real. i'm pretty huge up to we've just been discussing in comparison with a 2006 work for instance in which there was an extensive bombing of love it on a by the is really air force after just below abducted and is released and attacked board of israel, there was an extension of tens of thousands of us citizens were evacuated from lebanon, so they would not be unusual. nor would it be as owner, as a task in logistics terms, to move by research on people. now the other thing i want to bring up is that i, i have a very different interpretation of what is really been trying to do prior to this attack. i don't believe the story,

but they've been trying to move the palestinians out in the sinai's matter. but these really surprising the exact opposite of their approach. and one of the reasons they were caught off guard by a mazda is attackers because they have been banking on that require some sort of palestinians, a gossip based on increased living standards. and to that end, they've issued over the last 2 to 3 years, i would greatly and think bridge number of what permits are we had got the palestinians who have football not been able to cross into israel. robert are coming to work in agriculture in industrial enterprises. so these rivers actually thought that this was going to result in a decrease of tensions because the palestinians could stay and live and gaza decently. i come to work and israel, this reaction on a p, which we're going to your thank you very much. we've come to the end about time. thank you very much to all of our panel of guess the are a hawaii rich outs, and i'm not seo count. if you joined us late, you can see the show again, any time on the website. i'll just say we're a dot com, i'll just say we're continues it's comprehensive coverage of the gauze of war 24

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