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hello that on james bays as well, rages in garza, the u. s. is engaging in a flat rate of diplomacy across the middle east, the secretary state, and to me blinking has made a show of support to israel. closely followed that by defense secretary lloyd austin. but many of washington's arab allies are conflicted. many have moved closer to israel in recent years, but on the streets, many people are riley and the show of solidarity with palestinians in casa. we'll go to our panel in just a few moments, but 1st, since, and one of them has this report the us secretary of state had 2 messages for this is really allied. the 1st was complete support for its campaign, so that's right to self defense. the other was a call to protect civilians quotes in the crossfire and some of these since it's so important to take every possible precaution to avoid funding civilians. and that's

why the more and the loss of every innocent life civilians have every faith. every nationality could been killed, but diplomacy becomes more challenging for blinking as he think support in the hour of world. he wants to prevent the conflict from spreading and minimize support for him off and other arm groups and gaza. but there been protests in many parts of the middle east expressing outrage and israel's campaign and solidarity with gaza. this outcry is putting pressure on leaders many or us allies and some have normalize relations with israel. in recent years. israel's bombing campaign and gaza is killed. 100, the civilians added seats cutting off food and water supplies has been widely condemned cash or could play a key role as a potential mediator. it doesn't have ties with israel, but it maintains the links with both come off and the west blinking set out to areas where they're working together. we discussed in detail our efforts prevent

any state or non state creating a new front in this topic. we're also working intensively together to secure the release of positive to booty. american citizen being held by a mazda and gasoline, but cutters. prime minister made it clear, there were differences to his nation, wants an immediate cease fire. we cannot deprive if it and goes up on that if the city, water and madison and die for the means of life, the u. s. as many allies in the region, but israel's campaigns place them in a difficult position. how much cooperation can they get their partners in washington at the risk of ignoring public opinion in their own back yard? bends, monahan for inside story. well, let's now bring in a panel of guests to discuss all of this in east jerusalem. yara, hawaii,

a senior analyst at the ouch, rebecca, the policy and policy network and independent think tank in washington, dc rich outs, and he's a retired us army tunnel. who works is that you political consultants and in munich we have nancy o. kyle: she's president and c o as a think tank center international policy. welcome to you. oh, we have an sleep blinking on a diplomacy tool. now that's where diplomacy often means that he's trying to try and get some sort of pace. but as we know, he's not actually seeking a c spot, in fact, no likelihood. you all right, he's preparing the, our world isn't t for a great to conflict with is right. the troops entering a ground defensive stage. absolutely, and i think there are really 3 main things that lincoln has been focusing on fastly, that's the stability or the he closest ability of the region. and this is particularly important in life of the many protests of solidarity which has seen tens of thousands hit the streets from backed up to 2 years. and indeed,

the arab governments will be worried about, you know, threats to the right. instability emits their reduction. because the palestinian struggle despite normalization between many governments is still held due to the hubs so many close to them, at least i think i'll move on reassurance from these heads of state that they will be maintaining the stability. i'm internal repression, but also the issue of is ready to capt captive. so you know, he wasn't in concert, as you mentioned. and i think, you know, this is one of the few countries that has a direct line with him us. but, but what's interesting is that blinking seems more concerned about the is ready to captive, then there is there any regime itself. and we've seen variances reg administered as, um, army personnel completely dismissed. the recovery of the captives in favor of bombing goes into oblivion. and when we have reports from cause of the indeed, so some is ready to capt as have died in, in the football. but, but i also think,

and this is, you know, one of the, the most important points that lincoln will be trying to, to, to emphasize is the creation of the so called humanitarian, colorado. and i think, you know, we have to pause for a 2nd and think about what that means. you know, on the basis that describing it as the safe passage full time as begins to get out of concept. but the fear is the actually, this is not a humanitarian, colorado to raw the opponent march all back. so we know that these right direction does not respect any of the international conventions on the right over time for refugees. so there is no expectation whatsoever that wants to bombardment has stopped, the palestinians will be allowed back to the homes. so blinking is essentially during and probably consciously settings that he's facilitating the ethnic cleansing of casa rich. let me bring you in. we seen in the 1st stage of this trip, very, very storage support from israel, from the secretary of state, despite some of the things we're seeing on the ground that yours just talked about

. despite comments coming from is right. the ministers imposing a complete state siege, the defense minister cooling causes, human that animals. he is very much taken these riley side. is that cause you will that consuming us media? is that part of? partly because of the media coverage and the public opinion in the united states, would you say? i think it's a do in part of those things. certainly the media coverage and the framing, the narratives if you will, and washington and most of your certainly western europe difference quite a bit from what one sees and most of them at least. but i mean, look internally, not just in terms of framing. this is a very different sort of attack. so most americans haven't taken the scenes that came out, especially that in the early hours of the attack on saturday and sunday of a specific individual targeting of his rarely use as an intolerable atrocity. and that is similar to what happened in united states after $911.00. when, you know,

there was a visual response to that, the gulf and i should board for the strong assurance of actions. i think there's sort of an echo of that in terms of very strong support publicly, with the exception of it. there's some volkswagen diversity campuses to for his real textual or restructuring. now, as you recall, uh, we were led into strategic error perhaps with the invasion of rack and other steps because of the anger over registers. the actual one has to take the moral outrage and balanced out with what's gonna actually work to stabilize and reduce tensions. and that's what we're looking to trip is all about. on the one hand, you have to validate the anger not just of is really is but the american people about the nature of these attacks on civilians. i guess we could talk about whether that's a double standard with regards to the suck bring in the civilians. but there is a lot of bladder in the united states for us to respect that and show solidarity with this rule. while at the same time trying to keep this from blowing over

something that kills the abrahamic gorge, killing regional normalization average between israel and air of state potentially brings in other combat. nancy, let me bring you in stage 2 of the trip. he went from jerusalem from tel aviv that to jordan and he met the policy and president mahmoud abbas in jordan. an interesting late was noticing, i think he didn't go to that on his normal jet. he had to take it, us see 17 plane in terms of meeting mahmoud abbas in jordan. that was a snap. wasn't that to yes. so those, and i, i think is just like one of the different ways the, the us government is trying to appease israel and making sure to send the message that they are not on both on this thing. uh huh. uh, and this has been reflected equity and,

and strongly about the script for israel. of course, this is earl, has the right to defend it. so it doesn't have the right to attack civilians and have the ultimatum that was given basically a trying to get a license to kill giving 1100000 a simians in gas at 24 hours to to move at. so i think it means just this is a consistent with what we have been c c with the us administration. and it's trying to send the message that we now both countries are not on the same level even though to present in biden's credit. he did a stretch the point of observing international humanitarian law and supporting and preserving a civilian yard. as you, as

a nancy said that it was well, he was in jordan. but israel then issue this evacuation order that some international lawyers say is basically case of forced transfer, has been such a strong reaction to that of the un secretary general, strongly oppose urging israel to resend the older the international committee. the red cross signed the instructions and not compatible with international humanitarian law and the wealth house organization. so i'm moving severely. it'll people amounts to a death sentence once your reaction, your to the fact. but then until the blinking really didn't criticize the tool. a michelle king, but it was so not surprising of the same time the us has been the switch ally of these, right, the regime for, for many years it seen a sort of this, this regime the, protects its interests in the middle east and it's going to give him a call lunch and took him a whole host of all kinds against the palestinian people. i think what's particularly shocking about this moment is that all these organizations have have

actually come out and alluded to a new cleansing. they've even used one such as genocide, and yet we still have blinking and do so of his including either politicians from the european union. encouraging this not even playing it down, which is what they usually do. they are actually encouraging this by sending, for example, the us to send you conditions to these by the regime and have state to time and time again. you know that, that the us is an unwavering friend of these really right. she isaac commits these mounts of will crimes. moving 1100000 people to the south of gaza is not fussing in the timeframe that they've given. and they notice and they know that many people in hospitals will not be able to move. they know that they have bond roads, an infrastructure. we even have proposed video evidence all is renovation bombardments,

targeting convoys of people leaving. so many palestinians are actually choosing not to be because at the end of the day, they know that there is a likelihood that they will be bombed and that they will die and that they would prefer to do so in their own homes. and i think we have to be very clear that the us i'm, i'm thinking of facilitating this and encouraging it. the woman greg rich, the west all seem to be on the same page a week ago. yet we've seen the developments of the continued bombardment, this order for people to move. and now you're getting comments like this. the irish prime minister, cutting off panel, cutting off fuels supplies and go to supplies. that's not the way a respectable democratic state to conduct itself on the, on the evacuation to you. hi, representative for foreign policy. joseph burrell evacuation is also the obsolete impossible to implement the western partners. i'm beginning to split to think washington will be worried where. busy it's actually consistent with historical matters if you look at the previous balance with violence and. busy thing is real

and neither a neighboring states but never attacked as real or gotten involved. and where were those real or sort of outburst of bi hutch involving that the palestinian territories. typically what happens is there's sort of a clock that starts taking break them both for washington and key allies in europe . there's. busy really a great deal of sympathy bridge rule which from my point of view in this case is absolutely warranted given the nature of the terror attacks. but then there's also appear that is really response will be a semester and it will inflict too much pain, not on the terrorist to carry this, these attacks out. but on the average palestinian, we're trying to live their life and goss. i'm. busy so sure that it to that, so this sort of spinning off, we're splitting off of a model that extra parker is real, it's very typical and it will show rate. so there's sort of a clock drawing on this one is real hash tags truly in my view. ready first is to change the nature of almost as activities in the instruction that this can never

happen to get. we cannot ignore the nature of what was allowed to happen. and gaza is a read over by hamas, but we should not make the mistake of thinking. a model represents the balance between authority, the cost in people there are term in this case, at least part of the matter that executed these, attached to, well removing their ability to reprise that she really has to be mindful, they get people in washington will increasingly become impatient with an uncomfortable with change of dead civilians and gossip and the movement of the as you say, the 1 point one. busy people so that that's the wheel turning and israel has to be mindful of that as it conducts its response. the next leg of the trip went from jordan to cap. so again, i think efforts to try and encourage regional players to stop any escalation and spill over the world. but of course, catch all plays a unique role as you will 3 know because it's a channel of community patients with her mouse. and that brings up the issue of the captives. i was actually attending the the,

the press conference that took place between the country prime minister and the secretary of state. i spoke to an advisor to the country, prime minister about the captives. i'm want to cancel, i was going to focus on the american side the basically the as effectively can stay to the press conference at seeking more from that when it comes to the all of a facilitating context and making sure that the chance of communication stay open so we can see assets that focusing towards the release of the presence entity escalation and the token to that meeting. those layers to make sure that there is no extra inc, escalation outside. the scope of that kind of has a unique role when it comes to those prisons, because you have come to us and you've been involved in the past in brokerage in casa, what do you think? all the chances of being able to get some of those persons released across without

talking at a bunch of a complicated scene on the ground. at the moment i can tell you that we are at and we stayed with a lot of exploration. is this taking place with the shelling of that continued the length of sleep in a way that it would make it very difficult even to disagree to speak about such as that you see the issue of how that we are also the communications and making sure that all parties understand what does that tend to you? and we, we always optimistic to nancy from cats, all the secretary of state went very briefly to bar. right. and it wasn't on the original list and the only stopped off at the airport and then to saudi arabia and you a, now these countries of different from castle because they are the countries that have normalized relations with israel, or saudi arabia recording to prime minister benjamin after you nothing y'all who was on the cost of doing so. how difficult not to do think it will be in these countries, given that public opinion may be in a very different place from the the opinion of the leadership. i think this moment,

and the escalation that we have been seeing over the past week have shed light on how the assumptions and the foundations on which the so called abraham courts for peace has been problematic and have been a tragedy, as well as the home icon for it and only the efforts for normalization have ignored the people of the reasons and focus on foraging piece deals or defense deals as the controversial us saudi arabia defense deal that has been in discussions over the past weeks. and this has been such a short sighted few that thinking that you could have a 1st of all,

again a defense or a record normalization t you with leaders who are in is going to be looking at retiring and not representing the public and expect that this would be sustained and could be stable. now, defense of the past 7 days have shown that this is not possible because the situation is unfair. and then the deals and then pounds have been porsche on trends that we're not giving justice to costing you. basically giving crumbs to the palestinians was focusing on on sales between the u . s. and target rate. all this and mine is contributing to the, the very well understanding that everyone is now. hopefully we are that you cannot

force such deals or agreements for normalization with i would say not just over 13 years, but i say i'd say the individuals and this is the crown prince. my husband tell them that you are for going to deal with an individual, not a country, and not it is an agreement or so at the the approval of the people. the reason why most our leaders rate out are into negotiations and showing support for how the rate is showing support for palestine is of course for palestine also for their own stability because they are very well aware that as the situation continues, as we see the videos and urging of guides and being gone even when they're trying

to follow the rules. and if i weighed this would not fit in well with the public, it will be protest and they are not ready to face this. and that's why they are trying hard right now. to play an effective goal for you. all right, if i could ask you about what is the final leg of the trip which is to egypt in many ways. egypt is the most important because many describe browser has the largest open that present in the world. and if it's rather the jailer than egypt also has a key to that prison, that would bring suggestions. i wonder if you've heard these from some in his ready political circles, that the ultimate aim is to remove all the citizens of garza and send them up to the sign. i un un get them out of gaza. is that something that palestinians are really concerned about? at this stage yes, i think so, and that's why i kept using the time aspect cleansing because i'm thinking stop

with the been involved. and i think the ultimate goal was to push palestinians out to the gaza or even to concert hall. so it's an even smaller, smaller space and we've had is there any officials talking about wanting to pressure egypt and type thing on the crossing to allow palestinians to a, to go into the sign. i've didn't so that maybe even described setting out a 1050. this amounts to august be a good time. it's the force displacement over and an entire population of people that are ready, refugees, several, several generations and, and that's why we're seeing messages and social media posts from people in gaza saying that they will not be at homes because they know that leave him at home will probably mean that they will be exiled, palm the need from them. so i think it's very clear that we have seen this very

regime attempting to gone a support for this plan. they were corner, of course, a temporary re housing or a temporary moving of people for the safety. but the reality and you know, you don't have to take my word for it. we have 7 decades of these ready regime consistently denying privacy. refugees, the right to return home as proof of, of their intentions. but i do think it will be hard. so the egyptian regime regime regime sent me does not want a new policy for refugees let alone millions of the in, within apple does. and so i think that they, if they will go free with this, the us will have to come up with a big prize for the age of 2 machines and for them to, to open that board is let me bring in, not in c on. that's how the stabilizing it could, could it be for each it, if that, well, not necessarily all of the people in gaza but, and also people in gauze that came into egypt because presidencies,

not let strong se as well. this would be highly decent. lending and the president of the c c is well aware of that. but before we talk about how does this step and lives in this would be for agents. we also need to, i mean, i just want to underscore what are a says that the displacement an exporting the problem to egypt has been in the plans in the works. and the try to do that in the israel areas. and i'm back before the biden administration as a questionnaire and trump has tried to do that. and trying to move this out of sinews to sign. i'm thinking if they throw money over the issue and bride that direction, government that would work. and of course again, this is the same folks assumptions upon which the upper home are grades have been

found. it. now, i think president cc surprising may have been really are clear about nash, you know, security in, in egypt. so he has measures and why is responses? i mean, i think just a few hours ago, there were a use that yes, i mean, you just would support the american nationals who are in gaza to cross russell. however, she made a clear, a condition that this would only be possible if you allow humanitarian aid into guys. i mean i okay, is i want to bring action on that. i want to bring a rich rich in on that not non safe. there is this deal, it seems for us nationals and all been you, jewel, nationals, we think that about 50600 us citizens in gaza for them to leave leaving

behind of course the other 2400000 gardens. who would that on the siege with no power, no water at the end of this trip if that is achieved by secretary of state, thing can, will he see that as a success as well? yes, it's the 1st responsibility of the image stated to protect its citizens and that goes to the united states as roles that goes for is real one bridge up to we've just been discussing in the comparison width of 2006 more, for instance in which there was an extensive bombing of love it on a, by the is really air force after his beloved abducted and is released and attacked board of israel. there was an extension of tens of thousands of us citizens were evacuated from 11 on. so it would not be unusual, nor would it be as owner, as a task in logistics terms to move by research on people. now the other thing i want to bring up is, is that i, i have a very different interpretation of what is room and trying to do prior to this

attack. i don't believe the story, but they've been trying to move the palestinians out into sinai's matter. but these really surprised me the exact opposite of their approach. and one of the reasons they were caught off guard by a mazda is attackers because they have been backing on the choir. so the palestinians, and gosh, are based on increased living standards. and to that end, they've issued over the last 2 to 3 years. i briefly and think, bridge number, what permits are we had got the palestinians who have from law not been able to cross into israel. robert are coming to were in agriculture on industrial enterprises. so these rivers actually thought that this was going to result in a decrease of tensions because the palestinians could stay and live and gauze a decently. i come to work and israel, this resolution on a p, which we're going to go. thank you very much. we've come to the end about time. thank you very much to all of our panel of guess the are a hawaii rich outs and i'm not see account. if you joined us late,

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