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its ground invasion of gaza, but how much is likely to be ready for them? tens of thousands of foxes have had time to prepare traps and bushes with the conflict about to enter a dangerous new phase phase of grubbing for civilians. colton. the cross far along with concerned the will, might spread beyond the strip. we'll go to a panel of guests and just a few moments, but 1st st in the honda has this report is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu had a question for the 10s of thousands of troops mass along the florida with gaza. are you ready for what comes next? a ground invasion appears inevitable. in the past week. these really news readers drop thousands of farms on god and that, and yahoo says it's only the beginning. i mean, but goose we're striking. yes. in the me was unprecedented minds. i emphasize this is just the beginning, our enemies have only begun paying the price and i won't detailed what has yet to come. but if i tell you that this is only the beginning,

israel as cold up as many as 360000 reserve, it swelling the armies rank to 3 times its usual size. but the enemy is likely to be prepared. hum us is believed to have tens of thousands of fighters and a complex network of tunnels beneath the enclave. there fighting on home ground and have had time to prepare traps and bushes. the head of its expected invasion is really army issued. a force evacuated in order for 1100000 palestinians in northern gaza. but they have nowhere to go out of the plot. we couldn't be, they said leave towards the south, but there is no transportation in the street was closed. there was a traffic jam, some cause got bombed by a strikes. this is a genocide, not a war, and that's an attempt to displace the people of the gaza strip. but this will not

happen. a ground invasion could have proto repercussions for the region. following a meeting with hamas leaders and cover their arms, foreign ministry word a far reaching consequences. israel push the head with the next stage of it's offensive. meanwhile, the us is deployed to aircraft carriers and a host of war plains, the middle east. president joe biden has worked other nations in groups not to get involved. let me say this is clearly as i can, this is not a moment for any party hostile the israel to exploit these attacks, to seek advantage. the world is watching to thousands of people on both sides have been killed in the past week advising. further escalation is on the horizon one that may go far beyond the war zone in gaza. vince and bald headed for an inside story. the, well that's bringing to a panel of experts to discuss this further in bed route. we have l. yes. kind of

retard lebanese ministry general in brussels is elijah back in. the military analyst is kind of complex in the middle east for more than 30 years. and in the us state of delaware, lawrence called the retard u. s. navy captain and former assistant secretary of defense. thank you very much for joining us. i'm going to stop with you lawrence. we've got very clear, i think, is really signaling. now this is going to happen soon, the prime minister set, the next stage is coming the military, put out of state and he's ready to treat this. gonna be a coordinate attack from the land and see um let me also give you you've been involved in ministry planning at the highest levels in the pentagon. what do you think the thinking about in terms of the timing? there was some reports that they were planning to do with it the weekend, but it's been delayed because of cloudy conditions and they need to be able to see things from there are a couple as well. i think they were good for them. it from a military point of view to delay, because given the internal problems that you've had in israel ever since the prime

minister netanyahu took over, the military was an in the normal shape. in fact, people weren't even showing up for reserve duty be costs. are they are concerned what netanyahu was doing? it also gives the united states was secretary blake and secretary austin to go around the region to get the, all the countries in the region to work with us. and the as railways, after this military operation is over to make sure that it doesn't, doesn't happen again. the real question is, what, how long will it take, how much damage will it do? and when will the, as rarely stop it, what will be the role of egypt? will they allow the hostages and some of the, of the people from god. so to come in so that we minimize civilian casualties. ok, elijah, of course, the thing we don't know is exactly what these right,

these are planning to do. we don't know the end game here. we don't think it's going to be another limited incursion. a prime minister netanyahu has gone on record every how mass member is a dead man. what do you think they are probably planning on this occasion? thank you for having me. first of all, i think that the question is whether a just an excuse we've seen in 2006 when he's right decided to the tax never done. it took them 2 weeks to organize themselves and caught up on the reserve it. and then when they had taken the will into level and they were not successful in achieving the objectives. hey, we talking about reserve, is that coming from one of the places we talking about 300000. that all divided on 2 different funds. plus the reserves under the command of the general commander

in case one from these more than the other. because in my opinion, there is going to be definitely a 2nd front. and we will see that. and then next 2472 hours. that the, these really these all thing into a truck and they knowing these really, these are very good in the axles they can destroy. and we've seen what they have done in does that they can level the city, but they cannot guarantee the success of the infantry at the end of the day. it is not that a pull that going to multiply 3 by 3 by thing in of and city is not a problem. and that is something extremely challenging. even to these really armies . we've seen the consequences in 2014, and we understand that these are easily receive a heavily damage on all the soldiers. and again, i repeat, the other phones are not stopping and i think that will be visible very. so l e

s a lot of that mentions 2014 israel, last 67 soldiers. then tell us in your view how the 2 sides stack up in terms of the, the military forces. clearly, israel has huge numbers involved. they cooled up 360000 resist. how do you see the 2 military forces that that potentially are going to face each other? the balance of flour is in is randy schafer. however, the characteristic of this floor is still kind of defense from 20062014. if you are planning to go into gaza for another big one, chair, i mean you have to define what is the, what is a good time. you'll see that you have the cheating you go. um that's, i know it is so much you wanted to sort of, uh, how much would you be able to use throwing on. so i think that is 3 dynamics. that

is he playing this game for political dynamics, the minute the max this of this. busy army of the city, do they have to use in order to go, i forgot what to, to be the, i mean, the operation of the band with they go and, and the life, you know, this basic does just check the what would be after. what time they think that it's just, you know, uh, the cool little over with we have to take into consideration. the reason i say did you do that by next look to the happen? i didn't even use the phone, which is your, the so it could be coming out or another. and then all of that that the global dynamics should. they should be left by the like a step of my, my gosh, it's like a professor. i think this operation to a certain degree, you know, that i think that the americans decided to what degree there was of the water or

the 3 or 4 almost at that time model over the, in a problem or the task for these ladies who used to go into something that's pretty well they don't have the situation in our lives. in the know the fact that they show a sofa that sits in front of the fast and the fence usually gets in to, on this one, defender against the 3 a factor in this kind of a engine area. and maybe you have to have one focused on what is a be able to accept such kind of lawrence, let me ask you about, that's about the about dollars as it stands now, which will become potentially the battlefield. if we have this ground intervention, you have potentially snipers next booby traps mine fields. i these suicide bombers, one military person. i saw a site,

that's the positive goals and i look like stalin grabs and how much have all sorts of capabilities. some we might not know about, for example, drones quote comp to is capable of drop dropping bombs, all those sort of things. i mean, if you up a military planet, you'd be very wary. wouldn't you right now? well, no doubt about it because my colleagues have mentioned urban warfare as opposed to air and see you're going to have more casualties. i have no doubt that home loss is putting itself forces in the civilian areas including hospitals. and so you, even if you try and limit the damage, which i think the as rarely as well, you can't do with doc completely. and the real question becomes, if you have all of the civilian casualties, what else had their reaction from the united states and uh israel's, all their allies around around the world? and yes, that's going to be difficult because traditionally the as really have suffered very

few casualties going back all the way through the war. so i think this is going to also be a struggle caught, you know, for the, for the got it for the government. there fortunately they have a unity government, so that should enable them to keep going. but i do think they better be prepared to take a lot of casualties and the world needs to be prepared for a lot of civilian casualties. because how boss is going to bed themselves with the normal people and hospitals and the apartment houses and stores. so pick, get you off what lawrence said, elijah, do you think how mass potentially have the psychological advantage here is ready. troops, perhaps court cautious off to what happened on october. the 7th they saw a mouse is tactics, they sold that planning. they sold that capabilities and the cost in that attack. israel lost a lot of, prove that, as well as intelligence wasn't good,

but they also lost a loss of the senses and cameras around the casa. well that's, that's really the goal of the supervisor and the action i did was yes, of, of the separation. first of all, it is not to the come us because it is a completely different objective because this will because of the system makes shift. and these are really for body confidence and the minute 3 days, a huge and certainty of the people of these read. this is why these really is all going into this full with a very low spirit. only 3 in those that there was again and to be trust to the population that they have lost and questioning the effectiveness of their forces so salty. we have a mass with they have spirit. beacon ties into these really all i mean with a low spirit to go into a guy. secondly, and most importantly,

we have seen every time. is there a way to move on from us? how much became stronger? is it exactly the same thing? when he's right away to whole on his beloved and hadn't, will not became such a strong known state after that today he is really need the support of the americans to keep it from the side. it's not going to stay on the sides. so we see these really instead of the, the mass and destroying her mouth, the match becoming stronger, almost doesn't need to hide behind the scenarios because these really already all taken care of getting the civilians. we have 8800 wonder most of them civilians. we have 2800 did most of them to the videos. so these really are pretty good involved in these agreements and getting them because they are finding things,

embalming using a quarter of a nuclear bomb on the city in only 5 to 6 days. nobody can use up to 5 pilot. but these really and if they have confidence why they need to level the whole city where they want to go in because they are afraid. so stopping before the beginning of the. busy operations they are losing a l e s. um you just had a lot of that talking about the file. power has been used. 6000 bombs in 6 days. we haven't had an update from the is ready since then, but that's more than the us dropped on the syrian city of record during the siege which last 8 months. and it smalls, in the us, used enough kind of stone in an, in the tall. yeah. yeah. 7007000 and how do i know, i mean, and you have to, i mean it's literally just something isn't bring, it isn't big dilemma. the problem is really despite the state 19 in

2006, the united states of america wanted the middle east and then they gave the green light for his reading. so i thought his beloved for 30 days they didn't to but there is a formula that has a lot as long because they didn't choose and it's very low because it didn't as the, the, what's happening today was because after the flow and this spectacular last versus i'm pick him up for the news, i guess how much and instead of the story, i'm a and this is almost the big the why? because the is really a big fan of just shuffle the whole chair and the stickies. i remember i do remember and i need you to when day and they just live on on the side of the fire. and then it goes to silent and then shut the sides and then went to the director to

2 beatles and when they tried to add to the deck free. so i mean a fight to get a citizen. so the 3 of us on sort of, you said, so the demo outputs really what to lead to ending is to destroy or minimize or, you know, uh, uh, the guy takes the deals from us, so they have to do something. otherwise, i mean it to be definitively a they can, you know, you know, the biggest, really as the, the power as a good phone. the thing is you can, if you imagine, if you go in and you know, uh the booze scenario and also for the election. i mean looks like isaac says size. busy speed is discrete and i think that's how much i really flat or different scenarios. they have succeeded with a level upside. what would happen?

i think they would be the rid of defense. they would have provided for, or they have present ocean not as possible, including whoa and vision from this radius. and to the guys lawrence, let me bring in another fact. so, and it's more than a fact because it's very human. and that's the captives that are being held by how mass right now in gaza. does that make? do you think this operation much more difficult for these riley's and of course we're talking about a 100 or so people, but then not only is riley, some of them are all foreign nationals that are all us citizens, french citizens, you case citizen some, some of the israel is close allies, have a stacy and all of this. well, that certainly does make it more difficult. it was a real question is really through the is really sad, the intelligence to know where those hostages are compared to try on the line, the military capability of hamas. and the ice us to the how

boss is spreading them out all throughout the region. so that no matter where the is really is go to try and eliminate home loss of their military capability. they're going to be endangering hosp searches. there's no doubt about the fact that we'll do that. and that, of course, will have an impact on opinion around the world, including in the, in the, in the united states. so that's makes, this very difficult, is israel has the capability to do what the real question is, are they prepared to pay the costs? both in terms of lives and in their, uh, the perception of them around the world. it certainly olaja it looks like now is the israel has the gloves off. we talked about the number of items that have been dropped this time around, then not doing what they used to call the roof knock. so it's low intensity strikes as a warning, but just warning and tar areas and we're hearing and i'll quote this because it's from new york times, apparently for the ground defensive,

that going to have new military rules of engagement would be loose and to allow. so just to make few a checks before shooting suspect to them is this is going to lead to a massive test total. is it not? obviously because they also have the 100 buttons directive where they can build their own soldiers if they are inc of tv. and if they are found taken away by the minute. and so they prefer to negotiate that or on over the funding rather than a soul. do it, that is their lives. however, i would like to say something. we've seen that in young impala for the last 15 years, and we didn't have a job city in captivity, and he did not go shaped for his release. so negotiating at the end of the day, $400.00 plus the med soldiers officers or civilians. he know

that he had to release all the senior and soldiers, all the senior prisoners. if the how much then did you have? and then oh i have 200. so lady number is it becoming red? it is at the end of the day. and so having these hostages, all these prisoners painted during the boxing, is not going to affect a lot the americans and all the other nice. and that's, and i do because i already have the approval of the american for a ground defensive, a taking in to your com of the day, all the games of they're not center. i've seen come us and that you have preferred to have them a nice because it's always the have we have seen in the negotiation of hostages between the 15 and ended ebony and because really it's always better to have a hostage that does a lot of brother that nevertheless, with this though, i think the degrees are going to have

a mood engagement where there is no massey because we've seen all the handfuls is behaving with this if it yes, and with the guns up. therefore, i think these really ami that in done with piece is behaving heavily with the battery and on the 1st thing it says it means is going to have mercy on anything that is moving, particularly when the level of attention is extreme. the holidays among these relays that for some birds migrating from one country to another, they weigh a deal on all the x rays, and they are a really high tension. and they have struggled against each other when they were trying to repair electricity or groomed down the, to the main thing. because there is a hard tension. so when they're going to walk in the city, 1300000 in the goals. and 1000000 in the saw,

they going to go for this more the area and then our area that is in the know and they going to open the city, what they know under every debris they to try. i've seen that and then turn them on by said in syria, because this is where i was pregnant and i've seen how it's nice to put themselves really at the bottom of the big. they knock on the top and they managed to get in many of the fight is trying to get by the city. so there is a lot of experience today. we talking about the amount of the, how much scientists and militant in the city where they have gained so much experience in previous one more. and they know how to fight and city, but these really don't. and we feed them in 2006, and the spend a solid snap and then all they really with source to we throw on the, the hate of the gorilla little fact that i'm not, they not used to. on the contrary, these really special forces. know how to,

how to fight this guy in the full big page. right. as you know, especially the closest to bush and how much that and that's uh of course not. okay . um las um, if you look already, we've only had a week of this bombardment. the death toll of palestinian civilians is now mold in 2014 and that will last it for 50 days. i've seen one analyst saying the civilian death toll could equal the battle against iceland, both so well, that is estimated to be 921-1000 debt. how worried all you about a vast civilian casualty right here? i am deeply worried because as far as the cheese it's close, they have to go inside. going inside. they have to been bought me, especially the city. oh gosh. where do you have like 750000 people and that goes into the resources. they say that most of the bones,

underground tunnels where. busy the mouse is a commander's and read this. we have my id in a big below the ship hosted. and so i mean in order to eat, create or define the picture, the. busy the tell you the book city when you do so and saying i did, i do really achieve my goal is to say, you know, because you have to have much to say because you are going as in the world war 2 additional surrender. we're talking about sort of that now we're not talking about the story or how much can you the story or how much is it nice, but it's been going over a gosh. and you are, but i need to change the population density reputation and we didn't do any member . and the other thing was that is c, as in larry lee and the, and the war and the city, the, the, the program, the,

and jail going to be send this to use. they do have a special general going to be the they change, they change the, the landscape, the big, the big change, the state. they make a difference. maybe maybe we can say on a 60, it's like a level that is the mother who lives in between the balance of power, the biggest. but let me just bring in laurens to the end because i, we, we've seen now i think weston countries were fully behind israel, beginning to be a bit of us, a splintering, some really cooling, very strongly for restraint. what do you think could be a break on these? riley's, if we do have mass civilian casualties, is it really only us public opinion in the white house in the end? well, i think whatever side the white house is, will be the key. these other nations and international organizations are already coming out against the casualties that are big cause just by the bombing. so the

real question is, what. busy will the united states play? i assume that secretary blake and going around now to the other countries in the region as working with them to come up with some way to deal with this situation, which is inevitable once they send in ground forces. as my colleagues have mentioned, this going to be an awful lot of casualties. a lot of innocent people. israel says their objective is to completely eliminate home off, not just their capability to eliminate them completely. that is a very, very difficult goal. busy for them to achieve in a reasonable amount of time, and with a reasonable amount of dest falls to the civilians, add to the israel a forces psyche. lawrence, i'm trying to to our panel for that military and political analysis today. elliott kinda elijah magneer and lawrence, colby, if you didn't catch hold of the program, you can find it on our website out. is there a don't call me if you have comments on our discussion. we want to hear from you go

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