there's correspondence on the bus this morning has a tough air strikes, shells as gun bolts from the sea. there's been a lot of destruction in the village of as of this is comp deal with a number of bodies from the south in the air. just stay with us for the latest development on, i'll just hear the lowest of all being breached in guns or the killing of civilians. and collective punishment raises concerns of israel bones the strip. so who will hold those responsible to accounts? this is inside story. the color that i'm james spaces rose devastating strikes and blockade of gaza,

often is a surprise attacked by how mass of let to both sides being accused of violating international humanitarian law. or you and commission says is collecting evidence of more crimes that actually committed by israel and a mass. israel says it's observing international and all the international criminal court can launch an investigation to determine whether casualties and casa israel or violation. but israel doesn't recognize the i. c c's jurisdiction for 9 consecutive days. garza has shaken under relentless is riley strikes in ta neighborhood. so being ton to rubble of the israel dropped thousands of bones. these indiscriminate attacks on civilians violate optical 25 of the hate conventions. since the mass killed, 1300 is riley, is drawing its military offensive nearly 10 days ago. these really minute trade has imposed a total siege on casa the ink life was already on the land and sea blockade. for 16 years. palestinians and aid workers say lack of food medicine,

fuel and basic supplies is made the situation that catastrophic, under the 4th geneva convention is ro, as the occupying power is prohibited from deporting or transfer or in parts of the population from atlanta don't keep pies. but last week, as well issued an ultimatum for 1100000 palestinians in the northern part of the enclave. to leave that homes will go to a panel of guests in a moment, but 1st set false and has this report from the hate with thousands of civilian deaths and the situation. and guys are escalating calls for international justice. our growing and all eyes are here now on the international criminal court in the hague. but so far the h i. c. c has not met any formal announcement that it will step up its investigation into both of the war crimes committed by it's for our or how much? in 2021, the i to see decided that this has jurisdiction opened up to 5 palestinian territories . even though as for al, doesn't recognize the international criminal court. numerous cases happens file

since then, including the killing of al jazeera report to read about a clay who was killed by his for a solar system 2022. but so far, no progress has been announced. let alone arrest warrants issued. this is in contrast with what happened after russia and say that ukraine, 5, these days later, the prosecute knows that he will start a former investigation. and since then, and arrest warrant against president vladimir putin has been issued a full blockade of gaza is considered a war crime and possible genocide, according to international law, exports. the i. c. c has the night for requests for an interview. step 5, some for inside story in the hague. that spring, you know, i guess in london we have jeffrey robinson, founder of that history chambers and for the president of the war crimes cooled in sierra leone. jeffrey was appointed by the un as distinguished jurist member on

it's just as council in haifa. we have so son is i here, human rights lawyer, legal advisor for the civil society coalition for emergency in our society. and in new york, we have mark glasgow. he's luxury advised the dutch and you practice for peace. mark was in gauze during the operation cost led to that was these ready? $12009.00 to investigate the come doctor? will he also instruct instruct crimes investigators at the institute of international criminal investigations? thank you. all of you for joining us. i want to start with you jeffrey, because the rules of law, we hit least terms, all yale international humanitarian law, l. a. c. laurel bomb conflict as a locked in price just in bello. and there's that thing that everyone i think has heard all but no one really quite understands all the details to geneva conventions . i'm going to ask you jeffrey, to start a conversation off, give us the 90 seconds version. what's all the rules of will? oh, okay. the rules of rule uh, not rooms of rule,

the rules of war could be with us for hundreds of years. ringback do kill civilians due to the rush to trial or execute enemies without fed try. labs all. don't kill a prisoner who surrenders they read rules of law for centuries in 19199 in what is called the room. statue of the rules of law or port in fairly straight forward the english, they banned the taking of hostages. they banned the use of starvation as a tactic which she was to. ready long mile and guys out, they protected the old tide. this video was unless they got mess stuck in the wall. so they, uh, the rooms of all fairly clear, but the freezer,

jeffrey says, but just to be clear of these binding on every country. and then every armed group a day of binding on countries that signed up to the international criminal court. and that's a $123.00 countries, but they have not binding on russia, which commits won't crimes every few hours. the news cray. and they are not binding on america, which refuses to sign in the fia the one day. and americans, so maybe prosecute in the us and they are not binding on its way. which of course repeat this is just sign. so they have a defect in the low we can say up. but israel, for example, all russia is commission, clearly committing

a war crime that mr. cruz is completely won clearly of aggression by invasion ukraine. the problem of 1881 to cool down the cold bed criminology. and indeed that bob barry criminality. when he comes to bombings big, this is limited, and only if it's the condition or some, the air force command is bomb. the a civilian residence is captured in sweden or in europe somewhere. is there any prospect of pushing them on trial? so you can set that war crimes have a catch as catch can call it to you about the motor. you few capture war criminal outside his country that will protect him. uh, 10 or more crimes be punished. so certain if i can come to you and as we move to

the specific region of the world, we're talking about israel and palestine. this very, very long conflict. there's an important thing, i think, before we talked about the details, we've heard the background from jeffrey on, on the rules of pool, but is rarely seen legally as the occupying power. what does that mean? this means that since 1960 savannah is really is eh, by some rules, negations, based on international. and the patient was one of the most important on basic and relational the is basically to protect the civilians implemented distinction between civilians and now and the 2005. we all know that is really engage from the faster. but this is still a, it has a big issues based on mileage because of the fact the is

a bose us to your look a since a few months after ca splendid in 2007 to today. so it's really a big issue is really, is i obligated to and to protect civilians and it is obligated to and not to i tosh a, i'm not too late to, oh because that is the are included for the style. but also, and as you mentioned the heck relations, which is basically the vacation long as well and not only do and not her civilians, but also to i talk a structures that give services for civilians such as electricity. walter, if you look at the history from,

especially since the fall is on, so is on till now. basically we see that these really have controlled it all these basic services. i just went on a very, to turn the german levels on the supreme court and conditions in the recess race to supply more electricity, more fuel to enable the freedom of movement in the household and god. so even to the spider, not only in the, a broad we saw the intervention is by the supreme court was very, very limited, which also itself said that despite the end of this engagement is real still. how so minimal obligations are based on mileage of wood. okay. let me, let me bring it in mach. now, if, if you, if you, if you make a mock, you have

a different perspective on this, you in 2009. you were in garza, you were a war crimes investigator. you're a former military officer before we talk about the specifics of what's happened in the last 10 days. how easy or difficult is your what from off of far i would assume the fact we now have social media. we have so much more video and photo evidence that helps you with right to. well 1st let me just open my saying that we have tax for piece are concerned with the civilian populations of both israel and cause a whether those are is realize that are currently in gaza as captives or if they're palestinian doors rarely that are currently under fire on either side of the. ready order, indeed, social media has now become a part of the conflict and complex, as we've seen, not only in the, in the israel god situation, but also looking at things such as ukraine. it, one would think, would assist in what is this war crimes investigators. but in fact, the preponderance of this information makes it very difficult. you know,

i look to billing cat, for example, which is an open source investigating organization in the united kingdom. and also there was, which is a, another n g on there that does open source investigations to try to determine whether or not civilians have been killed in concert us. and their work has been greatly complicated by and is preponderance of misinformation and this information. but let's make it very clear that both of moss and israel have positive obligations under international law. did you need the conventions to protect civilians whether they are in air strikes in the way that the air effects are planned and conducted? or if they are allowing palestinians to flee, to protect the palestinians on the ground within gaza. these are obligations under international law and all parties are responsible for that. jeffrey let me take you now to the specific events of the last 10 days. and 1st of october, the 7th,

a carefully planned to day, shes attacked by a mouse killed. i have a 1400 as riley's about a 120 captains have been taken to gaza. all these will crimes. yes. it clearly they . uh huh. they are a see example of war crimes of killing civilians and capturing them and holding them is a speech. this is an ongoing. ready crime, and it gives israel a right of self defense to pursue them, to capture them, to put them off and try it. uh, but they are limits, obviously too bad, right? to the time of an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth that you find in the bible is wrong gall. that seems to be in part the use way. ready the reaction that need to roll on their physical

reaction by jeffery when you, when you, when you, when you hear this complete siege blocking only electricity and water, although they're allowing a little bit of it. so now back to itself with gauze a few for fuel food medicine, do you see that as collective punishment in his collective punch to mention itself is that the will crime is a wrong crime. i to give you the, there is a section of the room statute which precisely defines what our attempt should start base at the end of the day. is this the will crime in the country and all, all crucial civilian supply is too deep. civilians are law in use of war cry and the trends hold all civilians outside the country is also what more crime this was and they just but heaps they have. and it covers the american supported the tim to quote the, the maybe you know,

so does this uh for the, with the mouse in the country buyer. so those small, epic children, egypt and they back amounts to transpose use civilian population outside the state. so yes, there are a number of crimes that shot in prospects. ready ready we may be that americans to bring in egypt and others are attempting to persuade the user areas not to pursue it. so we haven't got to the stage yet, but we may have the next couple of days of criminal behavior by way of starving. the population for h 2 pages, the population out to the retreat and into the deserts of egypt, which seems to be the one that's the plat mock. you are clearly watching. what is

going on in terms of the military efforts, bye, is around you with that in 2009. this though is the deadliest garza bull so fall. in fact, 6000 bombs in 6 days. that's the last time the is right. the middle tree published a statistic that's more than the number used by the us, and it's in tall backlit in against iceland. rocca and syria, it's more used in 6 days and the us used enough kind of stone in the single. yeah. now does that give you the view that this is probably a war crime that they are, that they all just raining bottoms on the civilian population? well, look, the obligation to protect civilians in conflict is a clear one. and a really the mark of the professional military is its ability to protect civilians while it is conducting office of operations. and if these really defense forces

believe that the laws of art of conflict of interest in mandatory law is holding them back from their office of operations, then perhaps it shows that they do not concern themselves as much with the protection of civilians and the stopping simply to harm and make sure i work in the pentagon during the iraq war and 2003 and participated in many, many dozens, if not hundreds of air strikes. and you have to understand the amount of work that goes into that into planning, identifying and validating your target. once you have the target identifying, you also have to conduct a legal analysis. the lawyers have to look at each individual target and determine whether you can strike it with distinction, meaning that you're going to hit a military object and not a civilian author, and also proportionally, right? so that the damage done whatever that damage may be, is not so wide spread that the simply environment weighs whatever military gain

that you're going to get. additionally, military's also conduct what's called a collateral damage estimation, in which they try to ascertain how many civilians are going to be killed in each stripe. they use beforehand. this is i'm a cob calculus that is all put together prior to each individual strike. now when we look at the piece of operations in gaza, 6000 air strikes and 6 days, that's a 1000 a day. that is an incredibly high number of strikes for such a tiny area in, in fact it's, it's some, you know, somebody to attend to what the us military was doing in iraq for the entire country during the rock warren 2003. now we're talking about a small postage stamp, so it does raise the question and concerns of whether or not these really military is taking all feasible precautions to protect civilians and these airstrikes and the strikes have continued. so son, jeffrey mentioned earlier on joining this,

they bossed the population of the biggest conservation with the in gauze, or will the it is a seat huge, the densely populated all the, all of the strip. but the goal is to city on the north 1100000 people initially just 24 hours to move. i mean, is this a wall trying i think, based on the international its own or it clearly is the more crime because the last 2 important things i think this time is for as long got a rather than when we're examining it and or think august 24 d, r to most important. first of all, the exams i'm the willing to less off is real and what it's intended to is in charge of the show what to destroy and how to destroy the kind of

i promised to get to see the where to move. i also got results. the most of the getting of it isn't because like just the number on the 6000 me. so we are talking about 8 days or 9 days since october is 7. would at least 2000. so i'm hungry and it'd be killed in glasgow while more than 1000 people where women and children we saw that i taught civilians when they were told to if i to way i saw the song about. and so when we see that there are at least $55.00 families that swear to in total, all the family members. so most of the incentives and when we learn about one, when we re here, the intentions of is really officials of the minister of defense on how they are.

do you mean these, all these are indicators in examining the waterfront for me was just fine because of these articles in the role stuff and they were very clear. the very key comes in as a other, nissan, the damage. i'm just thinking the distinction. the distinction between civilians are in columbus. the fullness of the intends are, is, are much more to, to examine the, unfortunately, the responses and the statements from what we see and hear together with those of you on offer shows, which i would like to research let go. and this is in francesca. this was the one special for tomorrow actually by 3rd 3 said the boss if killing off in the sun is the thing the it should be, it's on the here. it was the people that were killed or was the total

number so far, $2700.00. 6 in more than one month or it was 50 days, the operational go to the end of 2040 the jeffrey jeffrey. yeah, go him. i don't have any evidence clear that war crimes have breeding commission. we just see you. there's to, to speak the numbers. we could see on television, children's bodies being brought out, there is no question that more crimes being committed. if it's genocide, that's an open question. although that has to be genocide, only 10. and that's difficult to prove. it could be that he's grad will clay. but i teach, he's going into guys to release those who are being held hostage

or jeffrey, do so jeff jeffrey. okay. on the to ation order. if, if i may just to be clear in international law because i think this is important. if these ready ministry is about to intervene, the 6 the elderly, the children, those that comp move, israel will say they gave warning, but it does it on the international law orders is wrong, still have an obligation to protect those people. it's not that i don't think she means in as little a deep warning. what you are doing is transporting or ordering. a by way of backing up your order with guns. rock good scenario brings you uh, for a civilian population out of the country. you are forcing the coast of old. so from ben crew, a bold hole, it may be a tremendous terry and car door if mister blake didn't succeed domain. all. that

may be crazy. so there's a way, but the force is to leave your country. and cam can live visit as refugees, and that's it is a war crime and many children, many people who go to connection with a mass. so a low israel has a height to so event that is not a right a license to kill or do anything above the conduct your so with do with god to to minute terry and principles at 8 o'clock. if i could bring them off in now as all kinds investigate, so when you hear $24.00 health facilities, including 6 hospitals, damaged, at least $23.00 ambulances targeted un sites $23.00 sites of under of the, the u. n. agency. the deals with the palestinians damaged by a strikes of those things you'd be investigating as well as well. absolutely. you

know, all of these issues like investigating took just to speak to the law on uh, the displacement of the population and, and giving an effective warning article $57.00 of the $81.00 additional protocol. one of 1977 is fairly clear. it says to military is that you should give, you should get warning if at all possible of use really have given warning data, in fact, given some fairly specific warnings to the population. the question is, are those realistic kind of population take them but, but more importantly, even if israel does provide warning, it does not then make it a free fire zone, right? they still have to take all the precautions that they wouldn't be taking even had they not provided that warning. so we okay, let me bring and so solve it because we've never coming to the end about our discussion. and i do want to talk about accountability because we've had already full previous. garza was 20082009. 201220142021. the

allegations of what comes in all of them. no one ever went school. did they? yeah. the, sorry, don't remember so, so is this a 1000, so something go ahead, please. sorry to. yeah, well we, we, human rights organizations have a sense the, a, 2000 since cochlan calling for investigating a wordpress. and we know all what happens with the a portion of the inquiry list. the buyers are a most of the goals. so and the other half, we know the boss time assign the a room is taxes and gave the entire government to investigate only after uh, june, 20 or sorry, july 2040. so if you wanna hold for investigating wordpress, it shouldn't be by an i c c and investigated only of the buttons from the

in the, in recent recent, from a year and a half ago from the a. i see the how to restrictions to investigate were arrive and all of us the entire to keep our posting sites are included in the east jerusalem. then i guess there should be a very clear call investigating these. and i think about what we are seeing it today. and tom has come to act on opening one the decision on the rise of the political in a sense of the especially when it's your sound. thank you very much. thank you very much. to all of our panels today, jeffrey robinson sounds i hear a mock glasgow hopefully perhaps like meet your more informed about the laws of war . if you want to see this problem. and again, it's available to watch any time on i, which is there a dot com. you got comments about the gaza will we're all covered, jump it,

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