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hello again. own jane space human suffering on an epic scale. the view of the un secretary general antonio terrace on the plight of 2300000 palestinians on the is ready bombardment and gaza. and paced on cutting off supplies of food, water, medicine, electricity, and fuel would be a disaster in a time of war for a besieged enclave with thousands killed and injured in relentless attacks. it's a catastrophe, as there are other cats. that's my medical personnel rescue, cruise and civilians continue. while israel blocks desperately need humanitarian aid. for most palestinians, the u. n. is a lifeline. the main source of supplies and the international witness to the suffering you and stuff with being killed and is ready attacks and you in schools, i'm clinics have been bombed. within new york, the security council has failed to back motions that could have facilitated humanitarian relief. so what can we you and do to help us to use? what challenges does the global body face in this will we're discussing all of this

in a moment with a panel of guess. but 1st, the problem is published in in june list honey, i'm a shape i tells us what life is like in garza today. a. i'm going mass bombardment, or read or no by experts as carpet bombing has turn major parts of the gaza strip into a pile of rubble. in a statement made by the ministry of health, the ears tribes have almost to claim the life over 30073478, palestinian life. 70 percent of those who have been killed by their strikes are children and women. there are also 12000 palestinians who have been critically injured with the number with number trapping under the rubble they expected numbers of palestinian victims is expected to rise to 6000, making it a closer to the victims of the 3rd panica massacre complete siege on the gaza strip

with serious short ease of over fuel and, and, and medical supplies has pushed hospitals and medical centers on the brink of collapse. we have hospital, so fox that are running out of services, adding only pressures to other hospitals who have, who are really running beyond their capacity. so let's bring you know, a panel of guests to discuss all of this in geneva location computer. a professor at the university of manchester in the u. k. in a former un humanitarian coordinator in alexandria, in the us state of virginia is yusef when they are the head of the palestine and israel program of the arabs sent to washington dc. and in london we have chris gunn, is he's a former un relief and works agency spokesperson, but he doesn't work for them anymore. he's speaking to us in an independent capacity. let me start with you, chris, because we've already had full goals. it was before. and you were speaking on

behalf of the us from jerusalem about the situation in gaza. when you see what has happened this time, the fact the death toll as far as exceeded the death toll in 2014. are you surprised in any way how bad things are or i'm not surprised because the blockade has continued. i'm surprised by the sheer loss of life and the last, oh, i'm looking for um, what time period is the un will be allowed to take trucks in under the sol, this conflict was taken 5 hundreds of trucks a day. so you know, the 1100000 people didn't go so all dependent on the so i'm getting 500 trucks today. that's going to be a c spot that i've already seen. underwood cars have been killed already. a 13 schools have been a hit now we have the latest report from rough talk a 1000000 people in the schools, a health clinic. so been huge as well. so we need

a prophecy. so we need to look at the um, the buildings on the house, the 11th smooth distribution center, across the gulf stream, that going to get statements. huge amounts of food, obviously those warehouses that may be structural damage up to this intense is ready. but let's go to the a c spot so that people can come and collect the food. so a massive logistical i like to say to lexical operation in order to get this the spot going. so a huge amount to book, i believe on ro, 13000 of my former colleagues, all that stood by the people of god, the most desperate of need and the law schools, they will continue to do that, make no mistake. it is all, it's nice fun actually old says that put out the flagship people for a 100000000 volts out of those to be met because they've got to get food. they go to get to and by the way, fuel israel's don't. yes. so that was the last few with it. well, this moved to getting water. i mean go to the pumping station. but the celebration problem got to work. so we need security. we need

a huge amount of trucks. 5 hundreds of days to go through rafter wrap. it was bombed recently. it's a very small one, really one direction, one, reading the other. so there was a huge amount of books by narrow to the unrest. let's just look at to get the, the crossings functional and alter secuity doesn't go to be a c spot. so that is massive. humanitarian need can be met with cash. we know that as being well going on trying to arrange some sort of a going into goes up. ready well over a week now and finally present by and it seems got some progress. but as chris said, you know, hundreds of trucks before the war is going to garza. and initially the deal is just for 20 trucks. you are a former humanitarian coordinator for the un, and resident coordinator in sit down. how on earth, if you were in the job now in in casa, how on earth would you prioritize what to send if you've only got 20 trucks?

well i think they put in the truck, so i hope i just the symbolic to this to the uh, the, the, the, the route and the 2 bed confidence. and i hope uh, from frontier to go to 2000 or even even more. uh, having said that, the uh, i think that it has to be private position. obviously food and walter healthcare dominates as a as well. but at the same time, as i think just being said, it does not do it just to sending the relief drugs that has to be a, you know, piece enough cruise so that people can get it and can actually benefit from it. and so the idea that you can tell you on fighting, and then the try to me to get some of the suffering by sending in a few truck. so here in the, on the hoping that people will but somehow get some really is i think, a very flawed prospect. and in fact, i can imagine some of the students that go get logistic issues, helping ed, i mean,

with costing lives. if there is to be conflicting of, of relief provision underneath uptake. but of course, the ongoing, the bombing and use of what we're hearing though from these really minute traits is yes. and that's, and you know, who is letting some aid in. but there's no suggestion that the stopping the military operation, the bombardment has been continuing, including around rafa in, in recent hours. and there's no suggestion that they're not going to go to the next stage, the ground defensive. that's unfortunately absolutely correct. um, the level of our roofing violence that we are seeing unleashed now on guys on everything that we're hearing from folks on the ground for, by the way, have lived through far too many wars are saying that this is worse than anything that they've ever experienced in terms of the, the share level of, of destruction and cost to human life. of course you manage hearing aid is

important. the workers who are working on the ground despite this are doing heroic things. but the reality is that humanity, hearing aid, is not going to do a whole lot for people who don't live to receive it. even the little of that does trickle in. and so a um you know, uh, an urgent push needs to be made in this moment to bring a stop to the bombing for an immediate cease fire. not just so that the conditions can exist to allow humanitarian aid to come in. but because the most urgent concern now is saving lives that do not need to be lost. and we have seen far too many of them lost already. if i can come back to chris and they won't just be such a. yeah, if i may, i mean palestinians do not want to be on a they want to live decent independence but so really what is just being set of

calls. all those things must have to. but we need to make sure that ultimately the blockade is listed. so that the close to the conversation is about will speak, allow them to goss of bread. right. and then what we'll do is we need to look at what's coming out of gaza. prostate is all to put in the real bit educated that most of the people also could be the single pull ultimately, if it was allowed to be so as well as a discussion about lexington food and other materials in that has to be full. so it was the same time some kind of discussion about who is allow. garza is a huge, the productive is associated that was agriculture to produce the government's industry, visit to the industry, to expense all sorts of stuff. and then all of the cost to be put back on it's feet . there must be a pro conversation about who is let out. and that's very important, even at this stage, those conversations should stuff. if i can stay with you, chris, for a moment, you can help all of us just a little bit more detail on you know, the geography, the logistics, you know,

the roof of border crossing. just tell us a little bit more about the roof of border crossing and outreach, which is the add port about 45 kilometers away. what apparently does now that they go to a great deal of humanitarian assistance, has been floating and i told them estimated 3000 tons. is that how difficult will it be guessing that in through the choke point of rough or and then distributing is well, i've been through the rest. the cool thing with this and to to is it happens on this mission many years ago. and it's a single lane road in one direction, at least that used to be cutting out on a single lane and going off getting into a go. so i think it's bone by these res, so it's very, very rapidly has got to be repaired, other reduce me it by and you can get from out of reach to, to run a very, very quickly. but tell us little subjects when we have somebody, it's really many years ago the security narrative. but if we let stuff and we let stuff out, is going to be less than simple. but you can, you know,

kind of how this builds. the carin shalom crossing point is a, she huge industrial scale troubleshooting the point of a. so what you get to the point of the pool with dozens of legs of trucks and contain delores, that was built in a way which was apparently seen to israel. legitimate security comes to us now and it will stay the same now. but the very purpose of current law was precisely what we're discussing now. and that is to get in the industrial scale levels of products . so the 1 point, one more 1000000 people can have the food in the midst of the fuel oil, things. this is the thought you need. so yes, it is the only game in town. sure. it has to be used to go other re submit, buy things can be real to ultimately the world creates is this thing called a cash loan crossing point. it should be opened up immediately because only carol, she will kind of shop in its presence full will allowing the cost levels of

assistance and other materials that will need to use it when it comes to the things that are needed. the needs of the, of the people, the desperate needs. so the people of garza, chris just mentioned few tell us how important fuel is. i mean, full full pumping water dissemination plants, but probably most importantly for the hospitals in garza. yeah it's, it's hard for people to really wrap their heads around what life in gaza is like, the lack of electricity has been, um, uh, you know, a constant condition in the gaza strip. now for years it has increasingly gone, gotten worse overtime. and particularly since the israelis bond causes only power plant in 2006, it's never really been able to recover. uh and uh, the presence of electricity sometimes can be a few hours a day,

sometimes can be um, not at all. and in many places in the gaza strip, that is the case. now of course, so fuel has become really a backup option for creating electricity through generators, which so many different homes institutions and, and um, you know, and implants require to be able to function whether it comes to water. do you sell a nation or, you know, keeping the lights and the machines on and hospital wards that are trying to desperately save the lives of people who have been, who have been brutally injured in, in these attacks. and i, and i do want to just add one thing here in relation to the conversation about the, the crossings and roughly, and so on. you know, a lot here depends on the united states as ability to get the, as rarely use to allow this to happen. and one episode that i think was

missed by a lot of folks as the other day. the united states secretary of state antony blinking, was meeting with these really prime minister benjamin netanyahu for 8 hours. during this time, the united states was telling it citizens in the gaza strip to head to the roof by crossing so that they could be able to exit safely. and it was due during this time . while the secretary of state was meeting with the israeli prime minister and telling his citizens to go to rough off because it was safe so that the israelis bond the rough crossing again. and so i think i'm a major issue here is that the, the only player that really has leverage and the ability to restrain the as rarely as is unable to even do so for the protection of its own citizens. even when it's secretary of state is sitting next to the israeli prime minister. and i think that should send a great degree of concern to all of us about uh,

how much leverage there is uh over um, uh israel in this moment. uh has it is denying access to humanitarian age. everybody there and also of course, reading bombs down on the population with cash as a full, most senior humanitarian official. even if you get a dean, is it? is it, is it good enough? if you don't have a c spa to deliver that aid, i think it's extremely difficult. i think that the issue uh, you know, how many tendency and this change. in the old days, the window goals you agreed to a fault in the war and then use of like 8 and then the way it went back to finding . now we're expecting humanitarians to actually supply in the middle of the fighting for hospitals to function, even at the bottom, the raining or, or new. and i think this is not a tenable situation. in fact, it probably most people have in place. it reeks, not just a books,

do lose lose their lives, but also people are coming to that. so i, i'm, i'm really not sure what to focus on a getting in is really that important back to actually what we need to be doing, but just drive it was the skin just test ation. the most benefits of, if we were to increase the amount of weight going in through the, through the border with the road to bed and so on. it is going to be modeled, you know, to survive the chances of the people. so either the people have to get out or adapt them to a se salon where it can supply them safely. so i have to worry that part of the discussion about to manage a note is almost, do you see about getting a aid of an alibi for not being able to do the other things? i don't think the pension has to be on the political side as much as on the 8 side . okay. because let me pick up that point about a possible c spa or humanitarian pause, because it's something that the un security council had before them 2 different

resolutions of russian resolution. that didn't pos, the security council. and then a brazilian draw, which originated called for an immediate cease fire. and off the lots of negotiations including of the us is allies that you can fronts. butchering it down became humanitarian pauses. and yet the us still vetoed that resolution. they would have passed, otherwise that would 12 of the countries in favor of the resolution. listen now to what the us ambassador said to explain why she raised her hand a veto to a resolution cooling for you who monetary impulses. we are on the ground doing the hard work of diplomacy. and while we recognize brazil's desire to move this techs forward, we believe we need to let that diplomacy play out. especially when secretary general gutierrez president, biden secretary, blinking, and regional actors are engaged in intensive dialogue on the very issues we are

deliberating on today. us. yes, resolutions are important and yes, this council must speak out, but the actions we take must be informed by the facts on the ground and support direct diplomacy efforts that can save lives. the council needs to get this right, chris, listen to that. i think the excuse was we cannot have a humanitarian pause because it will get in the way of diplomacy. what's the point of diplomacy? of the easement gets into the, in the way, is world war exits absolutely disgraceful. it's disgusting to hear that being said, i live through the full and let me tell you what the em all of these golf bombards women during all america always gives is. well, i hate to use this phrase a grace period, a period which they say ok, you go in a cheese your role as you carry on. busy when you can carol kidding civilians,

but you know, the balance is too much let it be a couple of weeks. but all of this is you have agreed just as terrible as on. on the 7th of october, i imagine the america is giving his well a much younger period of grace period is also hypocrisy. to hear an american and boss to say these things about giving diplomacy. charles, we've lived those of us to be met and seeing these live through these terrible bombardments, we all know that america sets the israel. that's going to be a grace period for you. take a while, move across the deal with international humanitarian law. i'm sorry to be cynical, but this is what was up if america wants to put his hand up and vote with that resolution. yesterday, they could have done, they could have sent a message with each very the in the interest towards more concepts than you ever told me of a single that's fine. was going to start, frankly, as far as i'm concerned, that the use of instructional aid as opposed to it's contemptible. okay? you had a point. well, i don't have a point how many points,

but the 1st one is i don't peer linda and the american best of, of flexing that both high good morris that to the americans administration wants to get credit for their diplomacy. so hoping to have a security council resolution this monday, use president in the coming to come in to, to jerusalem. so i think there's a bit of national, equal hearing board more than anything else. nobody because it invested locked in that area. and they somehow want to get the credit or whatever folders or sees funds or monetary and taxes that talked about the i'm on the 2nd thing i want to say, and this is more important, is that the, i don't think we should be good stuff. one this to happen many, many security council resolutions in the past and one other situations before the school because of the finalized. and it doesn't make any difference. so i think we should be worried about the situation on the ground, the practice of diplomacy and practical actions not more involved,

but symbolic the woods as well as we should worry about small changes it for the only to please the every constituency on the security council so we're distracted by this. nothing is going be sold, the in this go to thought or in new york. that's all the action is. that should is on the ground that soon is whether or not people died according to what access they have and what factor to pretty much can do on the ground in terms of expecting the same. so people should not get up to 10 of a bus go to concert resolutions in my opinion. okay, well i am so i'm still going to ask about it though, and the last use of about this i'm hearing from diplomats that the us will signaling that it can properly support this resolution. in fact, the chinese and past the said that in the security council, you said the fight may be type, was nothing short of unbelievable. it yes, and it's absolutely disgraceful. and i think it's important to keep in mind that there were previous attempts at the security council to put forward a, a,

a resolution calling for a ceasefire with different language that was rejected not just by the united states . and of course, there was a number of modifications made to language which was then agreeable enough to everybody except the united states and who of course, vetoed it. anyway. i think that the excuses given for the veto are also disgraceful. but even if we take them at face value, what has the american diplomacy achieved in this moment? the president of the united states was on his way to the region. uh and uh, could not even meet with his key allies outside of israel to try to get a hold on the situation because the entire region is rejecting the american position on this issue thus far. every moment that goes by the united states is

continuing to lose control. busy all over the ability to not just control the situation on the ground and gaza, but to control the situation throughout an entire region which is on the brink of regional war, which might bring the united states into direct confrontation with, with the states and the middle east. again, the united nations, i, i would agree then what is happening on the ground is of, of the utmost importance. but at the same time, the failure of the international system to uphold the international law and to demand accountability for it is the reason why we are here at this moment. and the continued failure to do that, i think we should only expect will bring us to more dangerous and heretic moments for which it will be much, much harder to, to get out of. and so i think there are tremendous concert when says to this american policy thus far on this, on this war has been to give israel the maximum amount of space and time to

exact what the as rarely prime minister, called mighty vengeance in the gaza strip. this is unconscionable and immoral level, and it is incredibly dangerous on a policy level in ways that will impact everybody around the world. chris, the failure in the security council on the new arrangements. so it came in last year means this actually has to go to the un general assembly. they have to have a meeting on this within 10 working days, unless there is an emergency special session cold. and apparently ross is going to call one of those. now when it comes very cool to the 193 countries, they are more favorable to the palestinians potentially than the security council. whether whether us has a, has a veto. do you think this could be in the family damaging for the us with regard to the global south might at home them, for example, in explaining that case and ukraine as well. can i say that when this does move out

to the security council? i sincerely hope that a bit of balance is injected into this debate in this narrative because of the moment, the narrative is about terrorism and it's about israel's rock to defend itself, which i think is talking by the americans beach of isn't the best that she said we want to certainly get the resolution that is. busy right, to defend itself, but make no mistake. the, when you chose to palestinians of other countries about this, they're all 3 calls is. angelo includes the conflicts which must be address festival, the relocate of casa, which is seen 2300000 people subjected to a indignities in the house to edit some invisible things. nothing used, or you can point to come, right? but if you don't post into perspective is the best tools of the corporate must be address. secondly, people to patient is going on since 1967. i'm always seen with the law and inspection of the runaway, the far right set to the restriction is we've seen increased the most expensive

jewish set of with that has come to mind a pulling set club items protected by these really, i mean the, the, the occupation is the sections of coal i'm the one includes the context, the pot of students would like to see addressed to the very last leaf. this possession of the product stadiums in 19 full, never taught communities best associate with dismantled. and that has never been property address. so unless, until we see those 3 underlying causes of the conflicts addressed in a why did a baby perhaps in the general assembly, i think this is riley's the best him to leave a mistake. oh, no business anxiety in the security of the people of gospel, the palestinians are likely to have the tools of resentment routes of my station, radicalization. so i, when this debate moves away from the security council, some bottles can be rejected on the other line. cool disk of the corporate can be addressed as we move away from us now to the terrorism,

isabel xbox defend itself of tools is what has the right to defend itself. but we need to stand back and look at the underlying tools as of this conflict. thank you, chris. thank you to all, i guess i'm afraid we have to leave it there. chris goodness, yusef buena lucas capella, you'll find this program and all our previous programs. if you want to watch them again on our website out, is there a dot com? if you have views on our discussion today, go to our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. and you can also find this on the social media site, fully known as twitter on x way at h a inside story. i'll be back in this chair and 24 hours time until then from the team here in doha space. i bye for now. the in this dilapidated apartment building is one of hundreds and you have mistakes in the city. it's an autism campbell and her fabulous. she was born in south africa's eastern cape products and moved to have a spoke with a husband in 1998. she says 4 adults had 6 children share one room. they don't pay

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