they try to help to palestinians also come out of this mirage of, of, of bought a month, but a different, they'd develop so much skills about can negotiate with 2 parties, especially when that are hostages. remember just a few months ago, there at least 5 americans from here on also they've been the skin for also i'm getting of this so many americans from uptown expense. so they have this a decent policy of keeping good relations with or part this. so they use it, they use that soft power, they have me in and these kind of circumstances. i don't think they would continue because they don't know how far though. do you think they're likely to get involved in all this right now? they've called for humanitarian aid. to go in, they've assisted with the release of these captors. what more could they be doing in the, in, you know, in the background that we don't know about a ceasefire? perhaps? i think they are in front of an aspect of this conflict. basically how to safety city against garza and that cannot be done without even

a humanitarian pose or the human attends the humanitarian ceasefire. they are coordinating with the other part this i think, especially in egypt and depaula sentience. so they have that elaborate edge to talk to everyone and to maybe come up with some ideas about minimizing the damage, right? disobedience price. but i want to say also something that but at least at least hostages from how i'm us. they pulled their have also that humanitarian side of their, of their struggles. and they want to dispel that image that has been spread by the west. how about it? back on the right. and also that they weren't able to keep those hostages all this time safe and fed and they were able to get them all safe and get them to the destination where they're going. okay, parts also they are in control, but they don't, they did say they were doing this for a p, monetary and jason's. now you talked about the agent fair and we saw the us

secretary of state at the rasa crossing today on tony baterri is very frustrated because age still hasn't gone into to gaza. why, why do you think we're seeing this delay and getting the aide in what's going on? i mean, there are some reasons beyond the conservative i knew one as, as they asked you, he said, so they need the fuel. they need, like there are some of the roads are broke and i don't think also is where it is delaying that to get to still get more constituents from the other side, especially of hostages. and again, of a street was a little bit also left in the teaching that i mean he, he didn't quote for straight forward ceasefire from the beginning. we're going to leave it there for now. thank you so much for your knowledge to stay with us on al jazeera upfront is coming up next. sorry. we look at the world's top business stories from global markets to economies and

a small business sales force and including security around the world. if there's something that the international community, your view should be doing to understand how it affects counting the cost on o g, a 0. israel continues as complete stage and bombing of gaza and an upfront special. we discuss how the war is being presented in the west, and whether there is any hope for cease fire, the following who mazda is deadly october 7th, attack the claim, the lives of more than a 1000, as rarely is including hundreds of civilians. israel retaliated heavily bombing the gaza strip while much of the west express solidarity with his real asserting his right to self defense. human rights groups of also condemned israel's disproportionate response. within 40. 5 hours and people including hundreds of children, had been killed and at least $1000000.00 displaced, which raises concerns about potential violations of international law. with the

engines running high violence of spread outside of gaza with the tax against palestinians in the west bank and as lama phobic and anti semitic attacks on the rise globally. joining us to discuss this all in tel aviv is how governments are executive director of plus $97.00 to magazine in philadelphia. know to advocate a human rights law scholar and associate professor at rutgers university. and here in studio with me is laura freedman, president of the foundation for middle east peace. thank you all for joining me. i got a one to start with you. but we've seen the dire situation in gaza. schools and hospitals destroyed residents struggling to get basic necessities. i mean water, for example, with violence against palestinians has drastically risen in the occupied westbank. at least $58.00 palestinians have been killed since october 7th. and there are reports that 2 villages have been de, populating. the situation has become increasingly unsustainable for palestinians. at least $229.00 palestinians have been killed since the beginning of this year.

can you talk about the reasons behind this escalation of violence and in particular in the west bank? of course, um, well, we're getting reports even as we speak about additional communities that are being this place. and i think the kind of them. so we're, we're seeing a move by the center is a very intentional move to capture on the fact that the world's attention is on gaza. right down. and that is always getting so much to the dougherty and support from the world that nobody would care. and the fact that we're seeing such as day after day night after night attacking, i've seen communities really pushing them out, destroying entire villages. so. so that is happening, as we speak, like said over 60 people killed, but it's less of a new beginning than just an escalation. what we've seen in recent years, and especially over the past year with these are in the government, really giving a free hand for settlers to tact housing communities. the pattern is usually of

settlers attacking your policy and coming to either accompanied by soldiers. they would set fire to passing in houses or cars, or just a tax people. and if cost savings tried to defend themselves by throwing stones and the army would jump in and start shooting at the people for defending themselves. often killing past years, we've seen a lot of that mistake, but also over the past year. and that is a combination of about 2 years of escalating violence. the west bank. the p a is essentially non functional, does not offering cost means any defense. the is where the army please, don't ask for offering housing in any defense and such as are becoming more and more in bold and in these attacks. well, the same time, the army itself is also attacking invading custody of cities in the west bank. and this is a pattern we've seen escalades over the past 2 years. no, no, it's not just that the is really government is watching. as settlers are engaging

in a more intensified acts of violence. a more frequent acts of i was a is really national security minister in them are been very upset on tuesday. the israel began distributing distributing assault rifles, disability and security teams. that's the language they use. civilian security teams inside of settlements. what does that mean and how does that bode when we think about the escalation piece agreements, stability, any of these things? i think that it's important to put this in a broader context of what is real has done, and it's settler quantization efforts. and i think that we should be mindful that in this situation, what is happening is an on going bid to remove palestinians from their homes. not just in 67, but since israel's establishment in 1948 and to replace them with settlers. this is happening obviously in the west bank, it's happening in the ethnic cleansing of the villages. and the judy is ation known

as ethnic cleansing in jerusalem. it is happening in the south of, of israel and the knob and it's happening through warfare and the gaza strip. by removing palestinians, the forest population transfer the shrinking of the perimeter of the coastal enclave in order to take more land without the people. a lot of this picture that nora's painting makes us far more complicated than just a war that will begin in, in just talking about a historic process. he's talking about a settler colonial project that seems to have the sanctioned address of the state. but in some ways, maybe the global community, what do you make of it? i think if you understand what's happening in gaza, so the lens of israel trying to exactly what, what north that trying to shrink the enclave trying to get more palestinians out and take more land. if you look what's happening in the west bank, the violence that hey guys talking about isn't random, we're it, we're in the process of finally clearing out. tell us the news from area see to 60

percent of the west bank and you know danny side, a man who's his talk for years about the, the, the part of the israeli public, which wants to finish the 1948 war. they say there is no, is really policy and conflict. the 1948 or isn't done in finishing. it means establishing and completing is really sovereignty over all the land between the river and the sea. and that means the populating us tell us the news as best one can and limiting the presence and the rights of those that you can't move, not in recent years, we saw some progress, some push back against the conditions that you're describing. a been october 7 happens and it feels like in many ways we've been reset, then we're back to square one again where, where the literally thing, meaning it representations where people are attending a ceasefire rally or a pro palestinian rights rally or something designed to stop the violence

that we see right now and fight for justice. and we've seen media outlets refer to them as pro, have mass rouse or pro isis rallies. we've seen misinformation this information spread in ways that undermines free speech, right? for the people doing the protesting. oh, how do you mean, what does it mean to play an escalation here? and i think that the media and the mainstream media has abdicated its responsibility and journalistic integrity in order to report to question to investigate, to ask really hard questions. instead, they have been propagating what seems to be a us government line, or us government that has provided unequivocal support, financial, military, economic to israel, that has used its veto power. now the 44th veto, to undermine in this moment, a ceasefire. and historically, to undermine an international resolution in any accountability to is real and

rather than a media core exercising it's journalistic skills and responsibility in order to push back them to push hard. we see them propagating these lies. we see them actually fomenting violence and war by using a slam, a full big troops by building on the infrastructure of the war on terror. by running headlines that this is a hostage crisis, as opposed to a political crisis. by describing this as a war between israel and gaza, or israel and how mas, when, in fact, this is a war against all palestinians and a continuing process. the fact that the mere fact let me let me for a 2nd because there's the ethical and moral dimensions of this uh, from a legal perspective, your international human rights attorney. how comfortable are media outlets potentially if they want to store your headline or make a claim that 4 minutes violence, they are very comfortable. i made this point yesterday when we were looking at what

the bbc, the bbc ran a headline 24 hours before the bombing of the and i have a hospital that said do, does have mass run tunnels underneath hospitals and schools immediately. what triggered for me is there a my, you know, a point to remind the journalist decor. but the genocide convention holds individuals to account and not merely for the commitment of genocide, but for genocidal intent for eating it for being complicit in it. by running that headline, by perpetuating this idea that there are no palestinian civilians as the president isaac curds oxide, without pushing back as accepting without criticism, the genocidal intent that was articulated by the is really minister of defense that palestinians are human animals and they will complete up impose a complete feed, preventing the access of water and electricity, and humanitarian cord doors. they are actually being complicit. i got,

we're going to say this from within these really and posted in concerts here on the ground. are we seeing similar opposition to pro palestinian invoices? yes, definitely. but i wouldn't for, for the before the with the effect of the october 7 tech. um i do think that does uh it broke something very essential in the discourse. um, there's a huge challenge that we're facing right now. i mean, the very real reality of palestinians massacring hundreds of on armed is earliest williams at the field. but there was just about god's party, the people that were murdered starters in their homes. i mean, that's reality. with over 1300 victims, most of them civilians. and i think it's, it's only natural, it's going to make sense. and for a lot of people, there would be this feeling of what we have supported. you know,

the past him struggle or the struggle for justice. but now it's thinking it's much more difficult to support, and this is something we all need to contend with. how do we create or sustain this course about costing just isn't about to talk to him in the ration and about resisting apartheid. and at the same time being consecutive in rejecting visa board crimes against his relatives. i think that's code like these missing. and so these spaces, bleeding amongst them is really these, these ready this course where of course, the only prevailing narrative disconnect what you're saying is we are only the victims to see what they're doing to us. we are only the victims here. we're only defending ourselves. and that's reality is leading to what we're seeing that on the ground, which is the persecution of anyone saying anything that is in the slightest critical of the government. so that's reality, alongside dozens of palestinians who have been arrested, fired or suspended from universities as well. that is part of the persecution

that's happening because there's absolutely no room for criticism of the government policies following october 7 on wednesday, molotov cocktails were held at a synagogue in the center of berlin. and there the reports of swastikas spray painted at schools and on buildings in the united states. large incidents like these have certainly increased since october 7. do you perceive this getting worse? so i don't, i don't know, but the data in united states on incidents like these united states increasing, there has been incidence of anti palestinian violence. the united states, including a 6 year old filed stab to death in chicago, including someone in michigan arrest. and because he advertised who wants to come with me to dearborn, and i think he's at hunt palestinians. we've seen videos online of arranging people raging against policy. and protesters in ways that if they did this against pro israel protestors, they would be certainly arrested. it would be called in some it doesn't mean you

also implicate the meaning of it and, and that's basically what you're talking about was saturday of the 14th a palestinian mother and son were stabbed in illinois by their landlord. the 6 year old boy was stab $26.00 times later dying of his wounds and detectives determine that the mother and son were targeted in light of them. quote, being muslim, and the ongoing middle eastern conflict involving her mass and the is rarely. this is from the police. what role is and media play and making this stuff? the media is a tremendous role. i believe the rest of that article says that the wife said that her husband was was taken over by these ideas because of watching right wing media . but the challenge here and we talk about anti semitism in the same conversation, we're talking about gaza or anti palestinian isn't. is that it? for years those who want to shut down criticism of israel and advocacy of her policy and rights have argue that it is a form of anti semitism, right? and throughout even the trump era, when we did have actual surging anti semitism coming from you know,

fascists and nazis right. classic anti semitism. you know, people who the people who are supposed to be taken care of and fighting into some, it doesn't always make sure to say and left and the right as if there's some, some equivalence because we start talking about into some, it doesn't, the argument that i've made for years is if you are blaming all jews for the actions of israel, that is anti semitic. at the same time, defenders of israel are saying, if you do not recognize the defense of palestinians is criticism of jews that jews in israel for this context are indistinguishable. that's anti semitism. and i worry with the incredible surging violence that we're seeing right now as the, the, the organized jewish community of the government of israel to come united states frames this explicitly as a tax on jews that, that disagreeing with what israel's doing in gaza is an attack on the jewish people, i worry that there is going to be blow back. absolutely. but isn't because the

fight for policy and rights is intrinsically anti semitic, is because those who want to defend as well from criticism are, are insisting that you cannot distinguish between jews and israel. but that worries me tremendously. it's interesting order because it seems that the west, particularly dominant western nations, have one disposition about human rights violations, about legal actions for most countries. and then when it comes to palestine, there seems to be an exception. i do an example since october 7th, a tech back from us, a majority of western powers have stood in support of israel. now i want to just suppose that to 2022 when the president of the european commission. ursula bundling and gave a speech calling out rushes targeting of ukrainian civilians. the tablets a target has a text on civilian infrastructure with a clear aim to cut off men, women, children of lot to electricity and teaching with the winter coming. these are ex,

of few are carol, we have to call it as such. you know, they're saying these attacks cutting off electricity. all this stuff is inexcusable . it's a legal, etc, etc. and you have these very same nations, these very same forces who have stood up when it was russian. ukraine are now not just complicit in their silence. they are actively supporting israel's response. you know, i think in this moment we have to contend with the fact that we are not in a post colonial reality. but the colonialism contin continues to shape our lives. it's in the same way that genocide was practiced very much before it was proscribed in 1949. but it was never recognized when it was committed by colonial power as against brown and black peoples. but it becomes recognized when it was practiced within europe's borders. there is

a continuing colonial reality that is shaping how palestinians have been excluded, even from the dreadful category of the civilian. one that goes american juris and their genocidal warfare against native americans who have articulated but native americans are savages and to whom the laws of war even dating back to the labor code. the 1st articulation of humanitarian law during the civil war, excluded native americans from the category of civilians that made their massacre plausible. and so we need to remember we are still existing in that colonial reality. one in which these former colonial power is and in some cases, ongoing colonial powers have excluded palestinians from this category and have found it far easier and more morally compatible with their lack of principle to support israel and genocidal warfare. then it has been to support palestinians and

an ongoing d quantization struggle. how got, how was international support being viewed inside of israel from these various countries, particular united states. what it said is exactly what it is really likes to do, whatever this government wants to do. it's not, it's both international supports. of course, you know, the us with its craft carriers and then fleet more just outside of his role is, is a significant part of that. the international support is the part of that i'm picking up. and what laurie was saying, you can see these, you know, very hard felt speeches by president biden saying, you know, that she wants to reassure as relatives of their safety and security, and that they have a future and they have allies. and that's beautiful, that's great. but at the same time you, you realize that what that means is that he's not saying the same things to tell students. he's not telling the dozens of costuming families that were wiped out in gaza. he's not telling their relatives your lives matter and we want to protect you

as well. we're talking his relatives of their lives better and they can do to you whatever they want. that is what is wrong. these are picking up from this and think that is one by the means and that's how it's being utilized. so i want you all to give me your, your best insights. what are the chances of a ceasefire? no, to start with. you and i just want to start by saying that before i got onto this program, i asked, you know, several people to help me just search for the names of the palestinians were massacred in the hospital. i think that there is been part of the d human ization project. aside from the fact that we're getting clear that there is no principle that also really in life is, is sacred. but aside from that, the fact that palestinian dest tool is just shared with us and astonishing numbers in ways that are actually the humanizing palestinians, because we are not getting the extent of pain for each life last, we are not getting the extent of pain,

of all the beloved's and the can that are watching this and being traumatized of the babies who are left without any family around them or to wake up to a world orphan and abandoned by the world that is blaming them for their own misery and only proposing to them that we're going to keep you in tighter cages in order to resolve this issue. so here i just want to emphasize to an audience watching, you know what number will trigger the horror that should have been triggered already of palestinian death? is 810000? is 880-0000? we have been asking this question since the debilitating siege was imposed on the guys a strip. and so the fact that we can't see that number within any plain sight speaks the deep dehumanization, the racial discourse, the colonial discourse that has basically primed audiences to accept the palestinian desks and slow death as tragic, but necessary,

which is obscuring the fact back to your question mark, where is, where is the ceasefire regardless of you know, this red herring of who bombed the hospital, there shouldn't be an unequivocal call because of the war and the atrocity for an immediate cease. fire is real, has done enough. it killed 16 paramedics. it is the night of the tricity to hospitals were children, babies cannot survive and incubators because of a lack of a lack of electricity. it is cut off water. it is carpet bomb to monetary and convoys that are trying to travel to the south. that's not enough, but now it becomes necessary to debate whether or not this was actually in his rarely air strikes. if there is really the fog of war is making everything unclear, the lift the fog and impose an immediate cease fire. why did the us veto that resolution in the security council proposed by brazil? so this, this is where we're at night. i urge all, all viewers. but at this point a ceasefire is the bare minimum,

an absolutely necessary bare minimum and absolutely necessary no to advocate says how guy is it likely and say no, i completely agree with your uh it is necessary, i think a ceasefire release of the civilian captives. um from us is holding and then moving on to negotiations to 1st reduce the rest of the, of the prisoners of war and both sides of this absolutely no necessary paving the way for future negotiations. well, it is highly unlikely. there was any hope at all of the, by the visit, putting the limits on israel. do some force saying, you know, forget it, forget it, you've got invasion, there's been enough to enough stuff moving. you need to stop. now we've actually seen the opposite and therefore is quite likely. now, it is a little go ahead with the plan to ground invasion that could take days that could take weeks and see as far as teams further away. now that they did um for the past

week or so, is it just i'm still there? so i wanna give a slightly longer answer as well. um, as someone has been watching me is really um, political narrative involve over decades and the, the growing normalization of the far far right behind us narrative. this is the, this is essentially the, the, the, the narrative which says, tell us the new, this is our land of health and should never been here. they are opposite goes to our state. they must be removed. and that is where the main stream is. i think very much as well today where you see what this government, their officials, this is really government that are talking very clearly about taking land about the cutting the size of the gaza strip. when you move weight on 1000000 people to leave half the gaza strip, i think of south limit on israel has a military doctor which says we fight people on their land. not ours. it is inconceivable to me that israel will stop this before they have leave the ground or

for them to stay permanently in a d populated part of gaza. you have language about trying to get humanitarian corridors. humanitarians and quotes are out of gaza into the sign. i, people need to think about what that means. that is a basically talking about setting up the equivalent of prison camps for palestinians in the desert. and maybe they'll be able to bribe ccn to doing that. but that's, that's the goal here. i don't think you're going to get a ceasefire until as well as accomplish whatever goals they've decided. i don't think they're in game is explicitly clear. and the last thing i want to say we say a ceasefire is a bare minimum. let's be clear, based on what is already done if there was a ceasefire. today, the humanitarian catastrophe that has been caused in gaza will take years just on a humanitarian basis to recover from. so see player is not the end of the game, but my god, it is a bare minimum. if you have any sense of humanity or friedman, how governments are not etiquette, things and like, you know, what, i mean, everyone that is our show up front will be back next.

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