it is important for every one to come out. and then it's me as us to, to come out because students have had experience of genocide. tens of thousands of people have once again much incense from london to demonstrate that kind of what is happening in gaza. but also to show solidarity, we're just kind of sitting in people. as the open ice of said, they will keep moshing awareness of what is happening that from madrid's to milan, i'm beyond even in germany, home to one of the largest muslim communities in the european union. the west such protests have been restricted. the government says that the cubs ought to stop public disorder and to prevent the semitism, but many has still turned up publicly expressing support for thousands. despite the rest of the rest of the war and gaza enters its 3rd week,

there is no sign of the motions, lessening or the demands that so many hit on making. the lead is to find political solutions to this conflict. so any vehicle i'll just sarah london. let's take a quick look at some of the stories making news around the world. at least 6 people have been killed off to a russian missile attack on the ukranian region of concave. another 14 were injured when the me sound struck a postal distribution center. the regions governance says all those killed were civilians working at the sides. a pack of stands, former prime minister now, while sharif has returned home to campaign i have next year's election after 4 years in self imposed exile. sherry fled pack has done in 2019 full of medical treatments, also being a prison sentence for corruption, but defied. oh sorry, he's and never came back. they should get jobs. they should get

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a. hi, i'm steve clements, i have a question in the region and across the world. what are the repre cushions of for mazda is attack, and israel's war on gaza? let's get to the bottom line. the. well, if anybody thought that the power spinning is really issue could be contained or kept quiet forever, the events of the past few weeks have shattered that notion. after the mazda attack of october 7th, the killed more than a 1000 is released mostly civilians. israel launched a massive bombing campaign across the gaza strip,

killing thousands of palestinian civilians, mostly women and children, and displaced half the population. israel has also cut off food, water, and electricity, and us president joe biden spent 7 hours in his real expressing his support. but also asking is really not to be blinded by rage. when he got back to washington, he made his case to the american people for billions of dollars in new spending on his real, bundled with ukraine a. so what's next for the people in the middle east? and despite its over whelming military power, how much leverage does the united states actually have? today we're talking with daniel levy who was a long time negotiator and advisor for the as really government during the aso peace talks. and he's now president of the us middle east project. daniel, thanks so much for joining us. let me ask you, how should, is real, respond in a way that you think would be fair and just i'm afraid i talk to justice to that question without the knowledge that we should never have been in this place. we

should never have been in a situation where the cost of which you cannot leave the palestinian situation to test your kind of half palestinians to day after day. we talked with your decade off the deck, you do not have to have basic watch leaving it in a regime in which that freedoms are denied, that part of the dispossessed that there's been a good reason that how students, human rights groups, these re issue and watch groups and then obviously international human lights, which made it designation. the crime of the project was being committed by his right against the past. now none of that just involves, well, how those of us who will play waves, american administration, we dollars to get to the root cause is how can you have also be

besieged? of course, now the nature of the blockade is, is even more up to 1617 years, cause it has been onto the permanent system of an envelope of control by age where israel measured exactly what the code is going to go out. there was a fruit, freedom of information, requests for all these rays which revealed the, these right, the policy was to keep going to just about salvation. now that is gonna blow up it's blown up now. and the question is, do we still stay stuck in a place where israel police the only a military response that only by black shooting the policy? you know, people is into submission? will they will, they will, will they accept more occupation? or we're going to deal with policies now i know that that call the politics copy

the only conversation and is. 1 is justified owes its own people that security, i think, is going to validate the most serious way israel notes because they are being ongoing interactions between these rather than how most, most people have so many and these ready security establishment set set cost and we need a political arise, we could bring a box into that. we could offer an alternative to have months, which is kind of classic counter insurgency. try and pull the population away, but you can't just say ok. we've created a military modus vivendi, and now we stop. we keep the policy, you know, sort of in the west bank week. we keep almost just at this level. so that needs to be a political concept to go with whatever military concept there is. either that involve saying how much will have to be part of this? that's clearly not where the narrative is now because how much is being called you?

nazis was the nicest and we can come back to that has to be a different political comes. you and i have been talking about israel, palestine for decades, and this large, the got shoved under the rug as the abraham accords were coming along. people began ignoring it and it exploded. and i'm just interested in what from a underground tectonic perspective, do you think is realistic in the future of getting rid of this pressure and resolving this in any credible way? you have to understand a few things. first of all. ready there was an attempt, the nose in perfect wasn't gonna deliver total justice. it came with a particular moments where on the palestinian side, there being a support for actually a deal to. but many palestinians will consider isn't a great deal. just 22 percent of the story as fine as

a potential future states without addressing a refugee displacement on the pillow. come on board with that position to establish relations with america in the late eighty's 30 years ago in 93. that gets put into the also these route to go through the 1st intifada, inaji on um civil uprising, the extract it costs for ms. ro, international dynamics for shipping. and israel thought, you know, maybe we actually have to do something about this posting question. we'll talk about it 1st. this is of a study is we're going to use the product. american bowman's author, the code. and the basic deal is a palestinian pati, committed to negotiations. committed to a peaceful resistance of this question. and america's role was to guarantee that the stock delivered, given the power asymmetry, occupied states, occupied people. the primary american vote was to make sure each row would actually

crack the occupation and allow so that to get our students that now that we go through various durations of how does one manage the outcome of america not playing a role designated for it not to quite, we go more, more into fantastic. fantastic. i'm thinking that if you just addressed economic piece, which also never succeeded by that this was the american playbook for many, many years. if you built relations between israel and it's naples, which one which is not the more, this was the trunk in approach. then you could leap over the policy question and divide it ministration stuck with anatomy, total lives of nonsense to this approach. and they believe their own lives. and they last, i contacted what was really going on. the listing is the

as america wanted to drill down into the nice thing that they did intend to do, that they won't do to drill down while still maintaining this, this notion that you call deal in a comprehensive fashion in an architecture that would include era. so you kind of had to move towards that under obama, with the chase po, a trunk pulls out of that. and if they will do shots for the, by the ministration to get back in. they decide cities perhaps to politic, costly, politically difficult. and they didn't go for it. and so what you have is us does not try to achieve a comprehensive de escalation. and you actually have regional actors increasingly

moving down. but he's really not being part of it. because these riley rom equation has been deemed impossible to improve with america and charging it up that, that uh, unusual palestine equation is rolled out and what to do is on what's to continue dropped by make it was israel has impunity fast to america to do what it wants and so you had saudi and it wrong with chinese mediation, improve their relations, but you still have but us, these trying to drive the path of escalation. i mentioned these things because if we look at where we go from here, we have to correct. i think the 30 shoot. they use us. no one is the israel should be indulge any coverage down the pulse of deny policy,

the rights of violating international robins and down a pop up result. be the disposition of palestinians by quoting them. that rights i think that's, that's not a huge dis substitute. secondly, we have to address the fact the palestinian politics. because go down this path where the polity committed to also has to be totally discredited. somebody types of mistakes. the posting impulse has been divided. we could have seen america to capacity palestinian elections. i don't know if we can do that now. you have to address the fact that the recognized policy and address does not have legitimacy with the people because it is being co opted into the american is riley occupation, superstructure. we have to address the statute coming, which is you need a region wide approach, which actually tries to get all the relevant policies. you know,

the french president was hosted meetings about the rock that involved the radios, the gold space for the rocks and media nights. china was hosted these totes, as i've said, america must not be bull montgomery. and it's policy defacto lead in that direction and undermine the prospects for the region piece. what do you think the chances are of slipping into a world war 3? i think we see a real shops the worst things get on the palestinian from the closer we get to a concert conflagration. and or the other question to austin, i'm not say this is the case, but i think it should be in the mix. is whether these race, like look at this and say, is this the opportunity to actually try and address not just how much, but has blogger and all the things? because we know there's no framework to try and achieve long term understandings. we've, these actors, there's just the stance. there's no frame american race,

here we go out, people, lots of unified behind us. the west is backing america, this position, military assets directly in relation to this escalation. they will have to be drafted because the narratives and the american politics is playing out in that way . all europeans blanket attracted. so each row may be tempted to go for that model has although many of the military will say that unsafe the why in the hands of the doing so well recently bought that temptation i think exist. and that's remember raul, as all the assets in the region, whether that's any rock, we're seeing some action in that from whether that's the on. so let me see movement in the control that much of yeah, maybe, whether that sincerely up close in lebanon as the region is, boy. so you're going to have public support for a quarter configuration, and robins and step backs with that. and i think the american private messaging is

to step back from the knowledge, the sleek, that if you don't get the power steering from time to control the dollars around to control and stop at risk images, then you really risk the store to escalation. i think the buy can visit it did speak to performative american domestic politics, but i think i spoke to the concerns that they have bought. i don't think he made any progress because yeah, that's the loan state. the american president goes all the way to his route and comes back on the scene. they can tell these 20 trucks, 20 trucks a few minutes every night, which as of us speaking still hasn't been allowed him to you in secretary, did you say are general and that you into about a terry officer say you need 450 trucks, right? day, not 20 truck seats. 20 no worries, a few minutes every night. that should be what a junior desktop is. he said to the region to get maybe the assistant secretary of state on a bad day, the president of the united states. and i think the world looks at this is wow,

these guys called control their allies power of these guys is palpably wilting in front of all very ice. in the past, we saw that there was enormous jewish american support for what is real data. it was very hard to touch that, but really i've seen more divides in israel and among the jewish american community since early january, since the debates inside is real about supreme court, about the solvency of its own democracy. you've seen more divides, it least i've seen that inside the american debate about israel in its future in what democracy means and should look like and include, now you look at this horrible attack and the response to hum us. and we see a kind of eruption on college campuses in america. we also see a $300.00 jewish americans arrested on the steps of the us capital. basically saying our blood is the same and they don't support the actions is realistically

inside of it. so it is drawn thing up, i'm interested in your perspective on that and whether something has changed in the terrain. and the topography of classic support. and i should note that if you look at the merits support and you pay american support today, over whelming public support of israel, 65 percent of americans support israel. absolutely. 8 percent say you should publicly criticize what israel is doing. 23 percent. say do nothing. so in that mixture i just want to be clear that americans are very much supportive of the steps it is real as taking now. but there are these pockets that surprise me. of people looking a little bit differently at the terrain as well. i think there's, there's a few things to be said to see, and i think it would be staggering if that only did not show what you shared with us because of the really less media

narrative. and the way that this is being described as that was that the nazis, this is the 2nd holocaust that worse than dice. this is online 11. this is dan 911 . i'm now, i don't, i actually think that's a weird way to describe it because israel is that a military regional superpower to describe this as a holocaust. i think what is on holocaust revisionism actually a box. that's how it's playing out in, in that media landscape. and therefore, public opinion is, is where it is. now, if you remember, there was massive support for the war in afghanistan. so the war in iraq and that it rotate and that they rotate and people sol without leaving united states. now it also had you been polling a few weeks ago in a different reality and then

a different media. last a, i see what i saw was the american public shifting, very beset in a different direction. questioning america as well. and this, the questioning is ro street that i was to use, and that was especially true, all democrat voters. and that was also true of the american jewish. and you know, the american jewish community is how it may be the this is, this is how it's hunting. and several levels of just what happened is verandas, the a, just a democratic who with the, with the victims in the 1400, these were you casualties. and in those be taken prison up. you know, this is, i mean it doesn't matter who they are, but this just happens to be a lot of folks from people to folks who go out to a res on the sabbott. so it's not the religious group. so to those who the more

reformed secular kind of liberal america would in the, in or out to suckles. no, no people spinning back. there's a community. how do you have a palestinian hired, the american muslim american community? we're seeing the indifference to palestinian life. seeing what is happening, daughter doesn't, doesn't justify what went on on october 7th. i think the president managed to talk and then once human tubs about our about a senior and americans, he still failed to talk a warm human times about the power stevens on the ground. with dying and so that's the landscape in america. but as you say, it comes against the backdrop of for months, american jews. the vast majority looking at is looking at a government without the racist people who want around right now. have the weapons to his right. the civilians to go and do that was who were carrying out

. and this was the language being used in his role in the west port robins against college students. and they will i end up senior ministers who have plans for the mass expulsion palestinians. this is now all of these writing out that that needs to be a 2nd mass ethnic cleansing a 2nd. and they will say, wow, what's going on, what's going wrong? now i understand that as a media after october, 2nd, but i think a lot of americans, you just look at the deep malays, you're going to do this, it to speak of the page. you mean nothing. yahoo is really disliked nothing. and they wonder what becomes of israel and the other piece of this is israel's image, as a strong country, is taking a tremendous fit. and a later you can re establish that just by just by seeing more, how does the blog, i actually see what you have to demonstrate today is that israel could be a small,

strategic, pretty full understanding of the environment to see. because if we really look at israel in that region and say these guys have never got a, we could never live then use this for collective jewish security now and in the future i'm, i think what it would be great to have is a responsible adult is israel's closest ally can speak at least in private and get just far enough public to that conversation. and that conspicuous be felt to do so because if he's been you nazis less than isis, then you're on an extermination. just pop and then you're on the road. let me ask you finally danly daniel and, and very quickly is baby netanyahu strengthened her weekend by this moment. and

when you look over time, you know who, who's, who's got time on their side in this conflict. nothing. yahoo will have to have somebody face the music on how this happens and i think that happens the morning off to the dust settles and i don't think he wants to get to that date, which i think makes him a very, very dangerous leader. and he has no idea of the keys. he can be sent to you to find cards after everything that's happened. so i don't know the time he's on his side, what time might be on, on his side, scarily. and i think i'm worried up to the palestinians. that could be an asset here at a mass displacement. and so i worry how much time is on the side, even though i think there is a tendency the and so in court is to be very on top. i was a worry with a time is on america side. let me close with that. so, because i think the look,

you know, america and the president's wrapped himself in the industry, civilization well meets us and, you know, go usefully. the rest of the world doesn't see it that way. and i think america has done tremendous stopped jewish reputation because people were looking at the ukraine christ, i'm say, we go, you clocked, you apply these things selectively. and now america is going out and prove that when he's real violates international. no, it's okay. which they were doing on october 6th of all that happens. and now they're doing engaged with american v coast a resolution, which is quite a small resolution security council negotiated also with the americans go forward by brazil. the rest of the world of the russian britain, which state is becky america looks like an outline, not like a multi to be emulated, but like a country that is fundamental. getting its priorities wrong and doesn't cat when

there is a google right effect across much of the rest of the well, we all see in america that looks like a war mongering nation. and i worry to that i worry for that reputation. well, with that we will end this very somber discussion here, daniel levy present of us middle east project and former advisor to v as really government. thank you so much for joining us today. thanks. she stays. so what's the bottom line is really, is were hit in such a way that they thought impossible. and this fuels or outrage, whether they're progressive, conservative, far right. zealots, wherever they are, they say they want, the perpetrators wiped out. but it's not going to be an easy or neat process. an innocent palestinians are going to die by the hundreds every day. this could escalate and i mean, dramatically escalate and in the west. it's hard to imagine that cooler heads are going to prevail. my guest today daniel levy has always told me that the palestine is real device is never going to simmer down and just go away on its own. it will

always come back screaming back unless it's result. the events of this month really prove his point. the conflicts, the dormant and low level for years and years, but now it's back big time with or without the how mazda attacks of october 7th, it's hard to be optimistic that it's going to be resolved anytime soon. and that sadly is the bottom line. the we understand the differences and similarities of cultures across the world. so no matter when you call out to 0 will bring you the news and current affairs. the houses, dear thought provoking on, but the patient doesn't have time to wait for the extremely unfortunate script.

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