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the, the challenges here as well, here's the notion of all that war on israel. the lebanese on group is exchange file with these are in the military, but it's stopped short of using the most powerful missiles and saw snow. so what could happen if it launch the full offensive? this is inside store the
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hello again, i'm checking space and escalation and skirmishes between his below and these rodney forces is rising. fee is of a wider conflict. saturday, march the worst day, and recent fighting along israel's northern border with lebanon, of to 6, his ball of fighters were killed the reigning back group. and these rally been exchanging far across the board, us and to mass attack, southern israel on october, the 7th. and the is ready prime minister benjamin netanyahu, william his bald, against opening a 2nd waterfront, with his rail. nothing you all who said that would bring unimaginable devastation upon lebanon. victoria gates and b has all report the personal possessions of people living in see many of sheltering in schools like this stuff to clean the homes in southern lebanon. fighting around the gold with israel has escalated since how much launched its assault on southern israel, on october, the 7th. the conflict between the palestinian groups ally and these randy army is
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raising fees of a wide hole that says israel is massing its forces for a possible ground invasion inside because a strip we are concerned and we are part of his battles. let it be clear that when it will events unfold and something arises that requires our intervention to be greater. who will do so as bullet is seen as a significant force and never known wielding both political and military power. the she and movement rallied public opinion against these radio to patient of southern level known as to being founded in the 19 eighties and disabilities. rails withdrawal in 2000 has built that has retained its strengths with financial a minute to support from a ran for ran, the group is crucial for detouring any attack by israel and existing influence in lebanon. and the region as bola has highly skilled places, they help syrian president bushel alas, during the country civil war. and it's off and all this reported to contain rainy
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and precision guided missiles. israel considered as has bull, it's most formidable. so since both sides foot to a standstill in a 30 full day long ago in 2006 and now with the united states deploying to aircraft carriers and several ships to the eastern mediterranean. the risk of an escalation and fighting in the region is growing. victoria gave some beef inside story. the, let's bring, you know, a panel of guess to discuss this further in athens is nicholas know. and trying to do an editor in chief of the baby based middle east law dot com and use website is also added to the voice of his bulk of the statements of side house and astrology. and tell him eve, it's your he drove me founding president of the jerusalem press club. he's also todd colonel. in the is riley air force. and brussels is elijah magneer, military and political analyst has covered military conflict in the middle east for
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the past 30 years. a will welcome to you will thank you very much for talking to us . if i could stop, perhaps with you nicholas, you stay in athens, but you've been base for many years in a row to speak to people in level and all the times where you'll permanently based . can you tell me what is the reaction so fall from people ordinary people you speak to to what's going on in gaza? well, i actually just return from to needs. yeah. where the outpouring of tunisians onto the streets and support of palestinians is tremendous. the largest street protests that they've seen since the fall, and they've been alley regime in 201111 on and elsewhere in the air world. i'll let lebanese and narrative speak for themselves, but i think what we're seeing and me as an observer. someone 20 years and 11 on as is seeing and speaking with friends and trying to find my way back there right now is uh, is really uh, 2 things. one is great anger over the scenes that are unfolding over the death and destruction of great anger as well and frustration that there seems to be little to
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stop the devastation moving forward. and i think amongst lebanese friends and loved ones and colleagues, a great fear amongst many of them, you know, most of whom are, of course civilians or on affiliated or affiliated with political parties that have a quite different position than hezbollah do. and they're quite concerned that a devastated country which is currently loving on, could see even wider devastation if indeed the border skirmishes, which now many of us are considering a kind of defacto state of war. if those expand and if they do expand, i think the general consensus is that the destruction in 11 on and likely and is real and perhaps elsewhere is going to be tremendous, certainly 11 on. and that's exactly what these rallies have. of course promised. your, your, a former spokes person for his writing, governments, but you're also a military man. in the past, i want your assessment. nicholas just use the word skirmishes. other people say
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clashes. what would you say? how would you describe what's been going on in the north to this point? okay, let's try actually, is this thing that will do. we debate about myself, whether there was a mazda plan that uh, how must office and then because by law moves, and when is role is a something in to the god quite a mile. but this way or another. um yeah, obviously it says button that needs to show some sort of dorothy, but i think most from the i said looking the ruins from and, and so many different needs as well. i think it was from my 2006. and then i think you said, because when those kind of shows i want to call them the indeed uh and the and hoping that perhaps they will uh make that 1st move and then they play
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cause the lie on the days rarely. so it can i get your assessment, what you think is going on, cause it has been getting slowly, was slightly more than 10 since i saw today was the worst day of all. and so far in the north, i think has been that is already in the room, which these really is all not realizing yet, 1st of all or has been like that the radar side taking the initiative and the ship out homes that is occupied by these relays and considered as a different needs that are treat as imposing and not a spoken rules of engagement on these really candidate has the law expended this code of just that targeting area along the borders with age read, which a 100 kilometers from the knuckle out to the amount of animal and all the boulders including to the good and i, the syrian of the bible and they live in gauge and fighting inside the
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territory controlled by israel and rather than defending itself. and then they've been nice showing that means for the 1st time in the history of the base, right on the box, it has to be moved to the other directory and not happening on the 3rd 3 that is under the died of these really the army because normally, it is right of the day to meet you to, to stop the war for the has, the law has engage by mobilizing audits and the phone says, along with the whole with that showing that they have it back created all the training camps, old dominion tree, facilities and leaving only the concentration area to engage with these remedies. that is an indication for the it is really mid threes. on the other side of the boat is that has the light is already actual and stopping with inside to get
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on with those. and now have expanded to 5 kilometers fixed, cuz the lot is already blinding all these really electronics or visions. there's capability by removing them, bombing them. so using the snipers, removing all the son of surveillance cameras, the sensor, the spine, devices, communication dollars, etc. that is forcing these really all me to rely on draws and own physical patrols exposing them to has been the laser guided midsize, and taking so far more or less for these really between kids and know that by stopping all this many pre authoration has what a lot has drawn to it says, tree is rated division including spectrum forces to make sure that they are not going to die. and they are engaged. they're forcing these really all me to create
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2 lines of defense on the board is 11 and the world has stopped it already, but it's in a different way. okay, let me bring in nicholas on that because nicholas you literally wrote the book on the words of his bill as lead us. so can i perhaps give you the words of his bell as deputy lita? not even cassim shaking 9. cussing we are trying to. we couldn't these right the enemy and let them know we are ready. he was speaking of the funeral for a fight to and he went on so that we're keeping 3 is right. the army divisions tied up in the rules instead of preparing to fight and gods are exactly the point of the delight you just made. the it's but yeah, i would say, i mean 1st of all you know we, we translated and communicated some of these speeches and interviews over the years, which i think provide the basis for the tactical and strategic moves that elijah
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and others are describing right now that we're seeing and i think one of the most important things, if you actually look at what has the bottle of leaders have said actually quite publicly or in private as well. i think what you need to do is a 1st order of business is pushed back against what when you're a just said, which is that's has butler somehow it's still leaking. it's wounds from the 2006 war i think quite in reverse is that is regarded as a divine victory. indeed, that's witness at all. let us call that. that's what you said, of name call. some of the deputy head has called it. that was actually viewed and continues to be viewed as a major strategic victory for hezbollah. and i would actually also agree with someone and analysts to say that that really marked a turning point were israel's qualitative military edge. we can see a steady decline visa v. the military forces that has been, has been able to build up, that they have developed through the war in syria where they are for it or against it. they have,
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they have extraordinary battle hardened experience there. and to say that they look back at 2006 as a kind of something that where they, it cost a tremendous amount. indeed, it's quite the reverse and has been the leaders are actually very, let's say boyd by the experiences of 2006 and afterwards in fact, they view that as having been a victory. that leaves the framework for what comes in what they call this next great war. if we're there right now, today, we are not at that moment, but i think all of us probably agree that they factors kind of that might spark this off or lead it to an acceleration into an even deeper conflict. are all building up by the hour. unfortunately, if i could bring you in yury, um do you do? yes. if you receive, do you sense? do you think is read is underestimating the strength of his bullet or no, no, i don't think so, but i think says bug dies on this amazing the strength of crystal and the fact that
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they look at the uh what it and they both just have said about a looking at the 2006 confirmed is a big survey reminds me of the egyptians. go as a to z, i'm all day uh, victor ray in there on the dial and down. careful. and the, if you remember, it started with them both the syrians and a junction saving us by surprise. that mean one week or 10 days, we were in the outskirts of the mass coast and the 101 kilometer not something of the but from cairo. now 50, use a process so, so the question is using these, as i said, the quantity angel for offers run is declining. i think both from us and probably because, but i will find out very soon that this is not the case. and the idea is
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really the business and the, and the i, if i'm not the mistake and then the most from like sam's. i said, the bunker for 17 years, i believe. and the if he use the most of the there to turn the 11 on, i don't think that the many 11 a treat seems like that. in general, the idea of the business all lies in promoting the design is recon, is like a spider's web theory, etc. this is misinterpreting the democracies, and they saw they looked at the protest uh here in the last 6, so 9 months and the and, and to, to, to be a kind of so we can now revise this rather than see how by brands these really
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society. so they're going to test the game. i don't think they will be up to big surprise elijah, i'd like to move on from 2006. but before we do that, that was a 30 for the full day war. and his boulevard some 4000 rocket song. remember that to show rockets, not very accurate to tool just quickly bring us up to date. how has his bolos for how is his weapons changed since 2006? since 2006 has the law whole life, i think you're wrong as when there's nothing. can be 2 things. first, these were you the air force. so that is very modern and they popcorn 2nd baby, unlimited support from the americans. because without the americans age read, we're never engage in a rule because the whole needs of lots of ammunition and a lot of money to talk about the, the 5th direct for the economy in the state to,
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for. nobody would go to war without making sure that they wouldn't have a lot of money and they wouldn't be supported. and they created b as b 's, where it is always great to bridge with the americans and europeans this time, and 2006 of the via alden to supply these really that for bombing, because they need a lot to bump. i mean, it's not easy to bottom for 14 days, a small and safety like got that. and to achieve that can go for 1837 children and 1023 women. it's requires a lot of effort to bring it in. and also, but now we move on by saying that his belie understood that and to compensate it needs a long range, my thoughts. and if we look at the distance between the colorado is that that is more or less 400 kilometers. that is, has, has been not stopped fighting and launching a mid size from the voters,
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which is not going to be the case because check engine light has to move outside the reservation area to take away from these right. and the fuse of bomb being severed. the entry which is, i don't think is going to happen because he is really where to bomb the villages anyway. so because of that has one, i need only this sense of target type instead of the way over the concentration of these really that's the economy. a critical infrastructure is in hyphens that that'd be, was obviously a 30 to 60 kilometers. and because of that, with all this precision long graph massage table, that needs to reduce the range of the massage and to increase the explosion by having positon. oh, why don't i don't know fixed roses for each my science. now people who argue that
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the iron down would intercept, we've seen how they are and. busy when flooded with besides and rocket is not capable of intercepting 100 percent is always between 55 to 60 percent, which is more than enough for hezbollah, for 40 to 100 midsize. and according to these readings information, as well as 250000 midsize and rocket, and all of his offices have be modified with a bad she amount of money to precision rockets. and we're talking about here to, from 7 to 25. normally there's only, so i don't think just below is on the estimating. these are really part 55 follow it is of course on the estimating the army it says when fighting man to man, because we have seen the invincible all mean becoming very vulnerable. after every few hours of the mass attack and against the, the gas subdivision,
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and in few hours only making so many hundreds of soldiers as the hospitable patients, including full january. so because of that, and because the damage that is going to be inflicted off is on is right i, i think is there any needs to think twice before thinking i'm going to stop the fight thing against these. right. and i think is doing so because so the 1st time in the history of is read because except to fight on a demon cation line, it is not exceeding a set of keys on it. and this ends impose by it has a lot by a known state to against the most file for an army in the middle east in just a few days. so the drone capability tools, hezbollah, be on the shipment sides, the precision beside that can hit all the energy platform, alpha hobbler,
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all the air force image, right? when not only prevent the economy and there's a red. but with this trying it talk to the even if i buy them when inject $14000000000.00 receive today the all the rules and health and image were they all stopping was sent to for the 1st time they. busy moved to become internally displaced. this is not something they knew drawer for. these really is not to find the place for them. and more on the northern front hasn't started yet. okay, let me bring in, let me bring in your eva. um, elijah paints, a picture of a very sophisticated military force. i'd like to bring up with you some reporting, which i think is interesting. comments from these ready defense minister. you have kalonde. he seems to be worried about his bottle. he says his bottle is 10 times stronger than the mice and all. so i'm going to quote where this comes from the new york times. it says that's in the early days off to october,
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the 7th. mister july and the defense minister apparently told us secretary of state anthony blinking, that he had advocated a pre emptive strike on his bola. but he was over ruled by all the is riley officials in your view. we'll see right. oh wow. hi. when to unhook a pre and maybe its r k against is by, when do the normally would come us 1st eh, and the key to my husband that day. i don't share. uh and i was a, uh, best the best, the all leak view of what's gonna happen in the war, which has been uh for the simple reason did a different law size. of course it would be really the barrage of me size and
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you're okay since it's a raw and he's right there going to cause us a lot of damage. but in a few hours of such more and a few hours of the day or 2 is when it's fixed on that button on such a. a dramatic uh, damage that the knees will rise up in the black. but the whole was, we quoted for the stall and then we will insist on going on the spell uh, instead of the big uh so i don't think it's going to be or for the fact of, or like a 2006. it will be very, very dramatically different from the, from the, from the and as a, as for one to gonna say, uh yes, some people it is. oh, probably god himself, believe that. uh uh the,
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this is the right moment is the, and we shouldn't say repeat that mistake. when we come off that we let take the role and i'm itself and, and because such a huge threat to his role and they should deal with it now because may 3rd from the even more difficult. um, i doubt it, as i said, is also the key to f as button a day and it's dragged into more as i said, uh the price. no one will pay a with d o a one bedroom up again, the sorrow because the past we fall upon me, i'm a business, sorry. and, and, and the but, but they leave us no other choice because they really uh take off, let them out as human shields. and this is what's gonna happen. no, no, unfortunately. okay, well let's, let's, let's bring it nicholas on that. nicholas, what is your view?
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i mean, 11 is suffering already had that a pulling pull last and by route in 2020. it's suffering. one of the was the colonel bit crisis. any nation in modern times has faced not everyone. definitely not everyone in 11 and supports has been out. they have very passionate support us, but it's, you know, it's a very divided society. what would be the reaction in lebanon across lebanese society, if his, as well that they'd get involved? well, again, i'm not lebanese, so let's let, let me speak on behalf of themselves. but what we do know is previous and there's a long history that shows, i think that yuri is making a grave analytical error here in assuming that it is a real implement it's operational fighting doc for known as a da here doctrine which consider civilian populated areas and civilian infrastructure as law, whole enemy combatants and a wide destruction, as they've said, they'll turn 11 on into a parking lot. if they think that that's going to then turn other communities
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against 11 on. we have example, after example. so the last 203040 years were actually the opposite happens. it leads to national solidarity and support against an outside enemy. that's so widely destructive. so the notion that lebanese are going to rise up wildly or massively and create a kind of military balance against hezbollah. is dangerous fantasy in my view, simply because of the history, but again, lebanese can speak to that better than i can. i think also there's a grave error here in thinking that it will just be a bunch of rockets. for example. this is not 2006, there are very likely going to be significant ground incursions by hezbollah, which had been telegraphed and telescoped over the last 15 years. i'll also remind everyone that it was more than 10 years ago, but it has bullet successfully flew a drone on detected over israel's main nuclear power facility and demona on detected. and that was a long time ago. the conflict with the, with,
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with the discussion about it, i'd like to bring in elijah one more time. if there was a ground intervention of ground invasion by israel. do you think his bullet will act a brief on so please i don't think it's going to be immediate reaction to into fee . on the contrary, i can share your thoughts, share some insightful information to my sources within the group. so i think today it is in terms of a lot of advantage for as rare to break into guys and to be engage in guys a. so the week of these really is all the lack of security. these really society has with his army and his intelligence, the forces and the engagement in god's dealt with all their might when he gave him the possibility for a heck of a lot to take advantage of the situation because it's an opportunity and then be in law like if it's going to be to a knowledgeable,
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that is going to be bentley for both. but the question is, is why are ready for that? is all the americans ready because they have also bases in the area and it's starting to be positive, isn't it a bed to have a mass in indemnity displays before a being so that's the one that that's fall into crumbling already there is no support for the government even the every day. so for everybody to support that then you know, but that kind of way, the moments to kick him out of the government. so today there's a lack of security and it's read off the what happened and got done outside gets up in the 1st hours on the 7 till the and this phone for this is going to be the barrier rate even more as $50000.00 people that be in the back created in the lot $70.00 from the boulders would love it now and who are going to be if i create it,
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where is this what these re to government promising to these really is bringing that from all over the world to give them security, of course not. and when to bump stuff for a bit and nobody is going to count the all. but everybody's going to look at the screenings and add your guys from is right, right. you said they loved watching their feet to stop it because someone has need to bring everybody down the tree because they start to that. and they know what all the consequences that are going to be the treatment of what these are as for the 1st time and it's live service 1940 i elijah, thank you very much. thank you to our panel of guess. that's why we have to leave it. i'll guess today where you are, you drove me nicholas note and allows you back to me. if you want to go back and see this. so any of our other programs, again, you can find them on our website, which is their adult calm alger 0, it continues. it's comprehensive coverage of the conflict 24 hours a day, including reports from all teams on the israel lebanon frontier. if you have any comments on this, so any other aspect to the goals, so we'll,
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