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hello. welcome to the program, and it's diplomatic. it tends to end israel is more ongoing as i have so far, failed goals, where a safe spot an end is arouse bombardments of palestinian homes. how must a release all his captives have gone an onset? on tuesday, the un security council held an open the page on the conflict in his address secretary general antonio guitars. notice how must have tons of october. the 7th did not occur in a vacuum and should be viewed in lines of decades of occupation. his comments prompted a furious reaction from israel and demands, but his resignation. ultimately though, oh, permanent members of the un security council need to be on board for binding resolution to be passed with such a deep divisions. what role can the un play in ending the war? plenty to discuss with august. first, this report on saturday, or even who has ruled those with the

watch of antonio guitar as the united nations secretary general. he was speaking at a security council open debate on the middle east. most of the discussions focused on is roswell, on gaza, to tears condemned to be a tax to mass carried out in southern israel on october the 7th. but he said he was deeply concerned about play of violations of international humanitarian law in gaza . the policy didn't people have been subjected to 56 years of simple guiding occupation. they have seen that land sadly be followed by supplements and plague by violence that economies fearful that people displaced their homes demolished. not israel responded by quitting for his resignation. and it's foreign minister eli cohen council, the plans meeting with him and that for the s g is blaming the victim. you are

blaming is read. this is a your blood libel, this is a your but blood label. and i think that the secretary general must resign russia, china, the united arab emirates, an office quote for an end to the conflict with something absent from the us draft resolution describes we'll visiting the store because yours is the key point here is a need for a swift ceasefire. the fact that it was not included in the counsel draft was a step in the wrong direction and could be interpreted as counsel support for israel's plan to conduct the ground defensive and gaza. the us says, humanitarian pauses on needed to allow aiden to gaza. that's the polish damian's. that's known enough. we are here today to stop the killing. to stop the mass that goes being committed against the police to young people. still ongoing messages being deliberately on systematically and so obviously, but if it's rated by use,

right, the buying power against the palestinians, even indian population under its illegal occupation, must be stopped the admission of to several sessions. the un security council has been unable to pass a resolution on the wall with such deep divisions between members. effects the question, how much can the un really achieve? sorry, go the inside story. let's bring in august is stumble is richard fault, a visiting professor at the senior university and a former you in special reputable fully occupied palestinian territories. and tell of eve is raphael jerusalem. a, a form is rarely intelligence officer and security on the list. and in manila is chris gun as a form, a u. n. released and works agency spokesperson, who's speaking today in an independent capacity, a warm welcome table. and chris,

i'll, i'll start with you. how much influence can the un have when some of his most influential members are not interested in a safe spot? well, we also, sadly is very little. and when you look at the is ready reaction to the very reasonable remarks of the you are the sexy general specifically said that there was a context of this farting the so it didn't happen in a vacuum. and when you look at the fact that the is waiting for him and, and stuff immediately cancel the meeting with him as well as now said it will refuse to give visas, is very official, a, to do an official, including the highest amount of housing in the us system, you have to wonder when cents is going to bed, you have a situation where diplomatically, so making perfectly reasonable remarks meet us that the general finds himself projected by one side and on the ground. in the united nations least, most agency which i used to what finds itself completely honest me use. it's have 600000 displaced people. image schools,

all searching thousands of itself have been withdrawn to the south and such as part of it stall, have been killed in full to you. it's installation of being hit. so, you know, under is the only other massive service provider, apart from the pablo city, to, sorry, to have my sole source is capable of delivering, hey, so i mean, humanitarian sense, diplomatic sense, but you wouldn't find yourself completely marginalized. richard is, is what do you agree with that is what you are powerless to do anything at the moment in my inmate and relation to god that yes you and is shown to be helpless in the face of the situation. but one must remember that the u. n is also important in the symbolism of politics. and it has had a dramatic effect on the peoples of the world. and the outrage that has that israel has encountered throughout

the world for undertaking this kind of indiscriminate and mass of violence accompanied by direct cone and restrictions on the the importation of food, electricity, fuel, and water. so it is an outrage that in the digital age, confronts people everywhere in real time and the you and it plays a role. and the secretary general was acting actually in full accord with his responsibility as the highest. okay, administrator official in relation to the un charter. oh, so the israeli outrage against him is just one more

display of repudiation of international authority. all right, i mean let me pull it up then to to raphael, raphael, i'm telling you a good cetera. says the grievances of the policy mean people cannot justify the pulling of times by how much and those are pulling a tax cannot justify the collective punishment of the palestinian people. it seems a fairly, even a 100 thing to say why is not provoke such fuel the fuel res, response from israel? well, 1st of all, i am inside women's business. the new address is a criteria general, the united nations. when he said that the a soul of the, from us on user was not, you know, about you. and these very, very, very true because they want to was sealed by the incitement from your on, behind the fives. and there is the wrong. yeah. the russians,

the chinese, a lot of power, the trucks are raising bowls gets always, sometimes people, you know, you mean these are in the way that sometimes it supports the from us instead of the big us. so right. so the right, really no vacuum on the country. we do see east tulip, she was charged to see good school, all dangerous animals. and that's how pushing and how to be if i'm honest with weaponry, is money, etc. okay, the okay, but why the fuel response from israel went on? sonya gutierrez says he wants the humanitarian. the you want want to you monitor and cease 5. so the innocent people policy needs in gaza. why is rarely so angry about the one we have to do the vacuum story more than the humanitarian that's expired. because the lucky on the story you know way is the g managing and just the fun. so and i sincerely hope and it's already being prepared

. the me start with us will appear in court international board. and the with the just imposing did come no money. what he said, he's the 6 months suspended sentence. jason, just because he has open unity and believe me as a bill for the person are encouraged in the, in terms of the side this entire but i want to say one was the right away. okay. we, he's ready. people have no, he's running a no bridge to watch the see on the boat we want, but it, the children we man, you know, sense even needs to be safe and we want them out of the combat zone because come, but there wouldn't be any, it would be a vinyl 2 months and we point, i'm not using senior duties. i national community and especially okay, agent until most of the countries did you use closing his folder to the what is the

other so you can use the be direction g comes because now it's up to door admin g company in the south. oh god. and then i think the only thing to see from kids are, comes out with the radio play. no problem. i do your i think one and then john. oh the come but so far and take a rough ill. thank you. i mean, chris, there's not much, i mean it's the un security council really going to be the best for them to eventually get to a cease fire when you know of a family on to a fairly typical view from israel is what you're just hearing that from rafael, i was there on susan though, and that's why i should probably go to the general assembly in the united states, the peace side actually, which is what happens when the security council is how strong. but if i may just apply to was rough. i was saying about the set, the general's comments, if you read what was that gentleman said, what do you say is the context is a located a casa, which has gone on since 2007,

and it's most respectful to people to patient palestinian language began in 1967 with lips associates a set to the volumes, which has increased with this fall right set to coalition, which is headed but with walls headed by this dimension. yahoo, i'm certainly mr. gutierrez is referring to the uh, this possession of the palestinians in 19 full. james and the wholesale is maximums of palestinian society, which rose $750000.00 refugees from their homes. they either fled or they were forced to flee the homes of actually those are the 3 underlying causes of this conflict, which needs to be address is the is right, it is a, is there any civilians office and there is free from say, a neurosis that i'm salty and if the palestinians are not to be isolated unblocked pages and rather caused and brutalized any more. so let's look at what was that the general has said, unless look positively on it as a way of addressing the underlying cause, is this a mass abundance has

a cause and contextualizing it is not to justify it? trying to explain it is in no way any attempt to stand by. i'm just splendid. so let's not just with jack. well, the highest diplomat in the world is said is which of a project, as well as not just lost the stuff in jackson, the all star of the world community. let's engage rafael with some of these ideas because that is the way future peaceful piece rate is positive use of what i looked at was the brace people of somebody as well as say those people who had the children to keep not that long suicide. i just want a single life to be lost in the name of my kid. that's all my mother's shot. they are in the, the full front of the, such a piece of people and rough outside of the company to listen to what that constituency is saying. that i have crying out for peace, and those are the people these really cool on board with gaza to have lost the most,

or a rough, ill come back to in a moment. but richard, 1st of all, because we're trying to focus on the you and role here is the security council going to be the best for him to gotta cease fine? well, i don't think it's a feasible for him because of the geo political determination of giving israel unconditional support by the us friends and the u. k. such a situation paralyzes, the un security council. and the organization was created to give this kind of general political power. and it's a sad moment when it is appreciated that the worst of international crimes can unfold while the world is watching. and the u. n. is rendered health let's i think the lightning for

a piece resolution approach via the general assembly is a desirable one and the necessary one. but i would expect israel to be as arrogant and defined as it has been toward other aspects of view and an international legal authority. a raphael. it was obviously a norma's fury amongst these. right. and is that what, how much was able to get away with an october? the 7th is some of box your enough time to some of the under the u. n. and attempt to deflect the frustrations the of what, how much was able to get away with me. first of all, there's no fury unplugged to be is there any people just sun this we are a people peace. the fury is the come us, the gaily,

the cruelty is to come up with the people of peace. but we have to be done out sounds. an issue, seeing that the international community is not with us, your mistake in the united nations. they wants to sue us, then they will have to. so because it all my quote was upfront was here yesterday you renew it is suppose any sports or because you should see me not to do accommodation, fighting ivy spiking. gosh, so if we do our job and the job is before any c, fire, you stories, one objectives with which we really do have a nice the come up destroying the hot months for ever and 3 guns out from the room . but if you want to do tennis off the, because what we're doing is you're gonna have to sue the fridge. the british, the front world. yeah. memory. just because the whole image with this, with the now when we roughly how you've been in a,

it's really intelligent so long enough to know that militarily, you are never going to be able to wipe out how much. i mean, what is the end gaming gauze? you know, there's another water, you know, how many times we went to that we call them doing in the 6 there was even, i'm today and we did it just watch us. we have a surprise in store, but this is me, sorry, i just want to continue to mazda to mention one is the legitimacy of the secretary general of the united nations, which he has not forever. but supposing tourism with the windows to use some of those, are you an institution of the come to see the cult piece of terrorism is we're all, we're not in jobs on east coast or anything with that service is not protecting the civilians as it should. i mean, did you change the room but his thing and children hatred and changing the jews and suck, revising, and shot game and jihad and really watching,

i would use the united nations of being a company since you have or isn't. oh, i know. okay, just by so you know, you want just one thing and i'm finished up from is there you're going to think about the vision we have the budget does a years and years ago. and that's when the come uh, went into the back to you by giving the dental junior about the palm of this. and we are not present being generally the or any all the way and does a for years and years and years. and that's the new stuff we have given a lot of thousands of dollars of work very well doesn't work. just have going to want to use all for governance to just do go abroad and we have and that's much in science, billions. we'll get to the the more so we have to be the only really, we might need to turn in the economy. how does the you see the press don't or the disease, right? all right, well chris, i'll have to let you come back and not you've spent long enough in gaza to explain

the role of the you and i'll let you come back. yeah, yeah. can i just walked backwards through some of those rough sales, completely mendacious troops. festival, this idea of the israel has left assume is relaxed and impose the blockade. the idea that it's been generously allowing guesswork has into, as well to what can i say the bought of the own, told stories of what happened to me last couple of weeks is the thousands of palestinian guest workers from joseph to be incarcerated and low top. we don't know where they all we done and what time did we have somebody do? but that's a huge until story that about thousands of workers who was simply doing a job under wall sconces. and that's been rounded up and locked up. the idea that roughly i would say that the secretary general is supporting terrorism. obviously, westfield people who listen to that and simply lots of all your other ideas, some of which are a passive, reasonable to accuse the set to generally be a criminal of being someone who is supposed terrorism. that's simply what resonate with anyone. it's congenital,

but you can make these comments about the well talk diplomat who's working. it's hard to sleep alone with his supposed stop to bring peace to you all parts of the world. so you'll come in under a, i'm a spokesman for 15 years. i dealt with this live time and time again. we have people who would film from us schools where indeed the what of some accounts and other things which would teaching of extremism to, to children. we investigated every single one of those. and we showed that they will pull a pack of bye, certainly during the guards, warranties, and 1000 and full team minutes would still look at in our schools when we found them that the schools have been multiple to. so when we found that because of all the components, the 1st people which felt pretty much with these ladies, we have no credit it so that instead we were told the narrative, when's how some smart regular, the time, and others, the other is way. suppose people on route was collaborating with terrorist in order to send rockets again. so all of these as you run rough for the bar,

i'm going to pull the tires. it's probably fully investigated. and the complete lights on the very last point about international support to it. so if you actually listen to the global self opinions of people in the global south for them, this is the last antique colonial struggle. the last vestiges of the 6 level struggles from the 19th century. this is the last struggle against white people, starting brown people off the on. if you look at the table rings, people on the streets today, there are 3 or 4 issues. those black plus maps of there's a need to move months of those global as part of the changes on the public stadiums and receives, do not invite and they better listen because they're all on distract from their electric. okay. and the street, the people on the planet all very much standing with the power of stadiums in the past it is in the mc colonial struggle. okay. richard were just told quick about what the un is trying to do. now they've been going to be another security council meeting while with a while. this program is on that they want to the us as cold for polls in the

fighting rush. it wants a humanitarian c spine, help us understand what the differences and what you would like to see. i would like to see a cessation of the violence altogether and humanitarian cease fire is something that is generally understood as a prelude to political negotiations. and how much is elected, remember that a mass, unless, as a political actor, that has committed a terrorist act in its attack of october 7th. but the idea of eradicating a political actor because it has committed an act of terrorism would apply to many governments including that of israel and is a very dangerous doctrine. and as it's being implemented in

the violence that we've witnessed so far, it has a jeopardize the lives of thousands and thousands of innocent pat listed in people including several 1000 palestinians will show that it is a great tragedy in catastrophe about which the un as an organization cannot do any thing affective so long as these western powers block it from opposing the continuation of this uh, on slot, on the palestinian people. all right, chris is going to be an after when israel decides is done as much as it can in gaza . what's it going to need the un full then? to frankly, as we say,

it's going to need the un in the humanitarian sense. and that really puts on a sense of stage. and that means under, it has to be probably funded, even before this current across is on the 7th of october under a was over a $100000000.00 schultz, but it's regular programs and it since issued a flash appeal full of 100000000. so yes, it will need that you and that it will lead on the well, the don't really, i'm really used to be probably funded by the world. and the is the other huge service provider. apart from that mask, all sorts is unreal. has engineers. it has health workers, it has teachers, it has such as visual support system in the community. it has a broad range of social services that is in the office. and those are going to have to be, be massively wrapped up, if it went to the board of humanitarian catastrophe, which frankly, within the midst of it was i said, $600000.00 people taking refuge in almost school schools, which is designed for a 1000 kids during the day and then to be up to $1009.00. so there's

a massive task. so i'm not in just anything else in schools. but beyond that there's going to be a huge rebuilding and rehabilitation program. again, this is the best more the honora and god. so that under a has lived through so under, has experience in doing this on the diplomatic from is we difficult to know? well the way forward will be because you have to, as well. erica lee a condemning the secretary general, completely unjustifiably. but again, the un will come to the thing to it. so because it's going to be the place where all the policy is able to get to that is to tools get a fit is no other for them. so if you notice that you, it doesn't exist, certainly a lot of people have to be offensive. it only didn't exist. something like you would have to be invented, but we have to get away from this idea of is well and it's american chevy to city being able to reject the event that it's not going to work in the postal dispensation. okay. um uh, richard took his present wretched type, good ones as a and by the end of the inability to agree to what resolution regarding gaza. he

wants reform of the security council is not the 1st time his goal for that. but also brazil is present, literally the syllabus says, what's happening now in the human is exposing the weakness of the you. when do you see those? recognize those goals as of a need for a full them of how do you and operates? i do, but i don't think very political conditions will allow that reform to take place precisely because these powers don't want to give up their capacity to paralyze the organization. if it's prescriptions go contrary to the strategic interest. and this is a shocking example where the, the leading democratic constitutional governments of the world are over li, endorsing the most in use of crimes that

unfold day by day and guys, and have committed the worst crimes that have been shown to the world. and since world war 2, so it's a shocking moment. all right. and thanks to our guests to richard folk and chris gunners and to ruffle jerusalem a who joined us earlier and thank you to for watching. you can see the problem again. any time by visiting our website alger zara. don't. com. the further discussions goes well. facebook page, facebook dot com forward slash ha inside store. you can also draw the conversation on x, we all at a j inside store for me. and the whole team here, fox news

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