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the hello and welcome to the program and the and it's me. while doctor is one of the best known journalist in the gaza strip, just as his colleague sherry novel actually was in the occupied, westbank is really full. so shelton killed trina while she was on the assignment in jeanine last year. wiles, wife, daughter, son, grandson. what killed and as striking a refugee camp in central gaza on wednesday, a place they had left the home for a place they believed to be safe. despite the tragedy, while his pledge to keep reporting on his rails bore on gauze. no doubt it would not stock me from doing my duties no matter what the price without paying the voice of. i'll just hear my voice will continue to tell the truth. in a few minutes, i will go live on air. shame on the story of the occupation forces. small women and

children have been killed in this more than man or even competence. hospitals schools refugee comes in a palm and books. i've been raised to the ground and relentless is rarely a tax journalist, have been victims to and less than 3 weeks. 20 full media workers have been killed . 20 of them palestinians, according to the committee for the protection of journalists in the face of such a violence as anywhere in gauze of safe for any one. we'll be discussing this with, i guess in a moment. but 1st, let's talk to a journalist and close colleague of well, that's due on just a producer stuff. what i'll close as covert gauze over the past 12 years, and i've been lucky enough to work with them over that time. honey joined us from data obama in central garza. southwell, thanks for joining us. i know it's a very, very difficult time for you. the moment just tell us, 1st of all about while i'm his family well you

know, um you have been uh together several times and you know, uh with that relationship between other agencies that are teams. wireless not only for league, why it is a big brother. um is close to everybody in terms of uh, just the other team you know, we use uh that insurance and he is the advisor for everyone since he is the uh, the most experienced a journalist and the thing dog that has nothing funny stein on the 0 t as in dog o. so the you know, um we have been shared in quite a lot of social touch scenarios. the ceremonies including good days, including the manager based on last year. so we are family uh together which met with the and, and the other colleagues, you know, are, you know, in florida we work together in the 0 for 12 years, but i know him for more than 23 years or $22.00 to be more accurate. so i,

you know, i know when he used to work for local daily, uh, the reporter and then he moved to a lot of media such a life journal. and then finally uh for our luck he joined the 0. he's the bravest jordan. let's play that way. i have a lot of man and i have what so ever worked with uh, despite all these conditions, heart conditions on the, on the work and on the fire. if you decide to stay in dogs, well, uh, keep, keep reporting well, control life from the, from the destruction. and i made some k days ago and i told him why. and while you're staying here, he said, what else can we go simply so he, okay. he thought the case, acute of his family moving them or displacing them to understand, right, to the security code or for jacob. but unfortunately, g said no place is safe on. you're a journalist on your family,

mom. how have you been able to manage both of those aspects of your lots of families? the most important, of course, it was the the most major and challenge that i have been facing. the other 5 that on the how, what support would might have to get displaced or subscription with my trying to do . uh, you know, do have to meet the minimum or meet at least uh for the time of day. uh, we spend a long time looking, cutting bottles of water and lining up at some wells just to find some what's up for the children. this is number one number to the food unit, a sanction forward, which is the bread we line up at the bakery to bring food on itself, even safe, you know, some people they were killed. why lining up at the water? a both of loads or at the bakers. so we have been reporting that even though a lot of sales. so this is the 1st selling. the 2nd thing is the fee and or the

funding looks or the children they look at the father of being sort of follow out on support. and they could treat the field and the weakness and the father because understand that. so this is psychologically, is buddy dangerous and for the long term when the family loses the faith in the main social followed, which is the father to. so i asked my daughter a few days ago, how do you feel that you said you are okay. we are okay, this good, this even more challenges to the challenges that you are facing in our road and or, and, or with our assignment, it's all right stuff. what? so fidel collude, thank you for talking to us from gaza. please, please look after yourself and your family, your, you know, your colleagues in gauze an hour and all thoughts. so please, please try take care as best you can stop by thank you very much. try and go to best. thank your. thank you,

my dear. thank you very much. let's bring in august a new york is joad against the president of the committee to protect journalists, a non profit organization that promotes media freedom and defends the rights of journalists in ramallah and the occupied westbank is most stuff a bog booty. secondly, general of the palestinian national initiative and in the home jordan capital tegucigalpa is irene. com. you in special rapids, all on the promotion and protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression. a warm welcome to you will. ready um, 1st of all, my stuff, uh, bogu t in ramallah. can you just tell us about how important whales reporting is in now? big speaking world. wireless. uh very uh, very close and. busy colleague who, who has been doing wonderful work in terms of the general, isn't covering what was happening because all of these is and he has covered so

many wards that happened to so many a aggressions that happened on garza. i personally knew him very well and i happened to be in guys are doing it in 2014 or and during which time uh we met to many times on so he did wonderful professional job and i think there were 2 icons of i just need a word in uh the occupied territories and, and the door and goes on should be noble awfully in the middle. and unfortunately, both of them had this sort of integrity. the novel actually was killed by an as an alias night. but the most recent that the national commission reported the very clearly that she was assessing it took for no reason. i buy, i know, is there any sniper, i know the door is losing his family, his the is his wife, his son, his daughter. it's kind of been tardy, but also it indicates so what journalist have to live through in palestine or let

me add that up to this moment 22 journalist and guys that have been killed during this terrible attack of his right. yeah. suiting the last 20 days, 20 twos in august, and tiffany also remind you that during the last 10 years, and this in addition to these 22 jet, another 50 to other juvenile, just included chevy and i've off there would also come to by those that are in the army unless the bank and guys. yes. okay. most definitely. thank you very much. jody varies, perhaps no more dangerous in the well to operate as a journalist than gaza. at the moment, one of the challenges you understand that, that facing above the ordinary challenges they would face from the reporting from gaza. joining previous conflicts as well as you heard, this is the deadliest conflict for john, unless opposing on this region ever in the 30 years box, c,

p j has documenting this, and in fact, it looks like it's the worst period for john lynch cover and comes next anyway, ever in those 30 years, it's extremely challenging to cover goals or at the moment there is no way to go. that's right, there's nowhere to hide. and i'm so i'm, and yet we are relying on those douglas inside garza to tell us what's happening and everyone who is a john. this is effectively becoming more full to and that's been the case for many garzon janice and for many years they coping with challenges including lack of electricity. obviously the dangers of repeated strikes and so on. and, and all of that while they are in must and living among friends and family as, as well. was irene. um, what do you understand available them from your perspective? the importance of cause of freedom of expression and opinion. what do you

understand of the, of the challenges of a jew unless trying to do lots in gaza? well, 1st of all, as you said, freedom of expression is extremely important for, particularly in times of conflict, how as we get to use. but in this conflict, it is indiscriminate, disproportionate attacks against his phone, civilian just civilians under international humanitarian. though they have no text that civilians warren gotta have no protection from indiscriminate, disproportionate attacks. so what good is your jack press with not going to do? what are your habits going to do that so to speak, to on the ground, that there are no rules that are being followed by like is read it. in this conflict, no rules applicable to civilians are being respected. that is an immense trash or the people on the grow. but i think for international monetary and no entire

system of the room, the floor is under pressure here. and you on the list on the front line, all the ones who are showing with the coverage and resilience. how much of blatant disregard for international humanitarian law is taking place in government. most of what we're trying to look a bit of the how it generally is they're able to report from cause or, and also they occupied westbank. do you see a way that the do you say a way the palestinians are reported about is a different place to the ways re lease? i would report it about. and of course there is a very huge difference. and the, especially during this terrible war is there any perspective is present to repeatedly and so many times. and even when it's long lies about what has happened, like that, totally misleading and black media information about decapitating children or raping women, which which many,

yet another step to apologize about. the parting like cnn report those los angeles times as well. but these lies keep repeating, and unfortunately what i see in many, i'm in the national media outlets, is that they do not on the report to accept what, what is it or is i saying they do not report to a file experience, i think. but on top of that, if you add it and i actually interviewed, i mean that they would have 10 interviews with, with, with the, with visitor areas and maybe one location the interview with the city. and then the strange thing is that the broadcast or the one who is the name of the interview will be and not the only thing again is that any point of view, but also the p things. i say, i'm rebecca. and while he's interviewing governors to noon, and that by itself shows you how, how, how the dispute is the situation unfair and how improper it is. and the

problem also is that when did he put it about, is it or the situation? it's a board think about human beings, a person who tried doing uh, family who has been affected. but then it's numbers on the, on the police, the on site. and that's why the state, the case of uh why is that maybe brings maybe some light on the fact that these 7000 palestinians, ken, i'm more of them 3000 children killed out of human beings. the not just numbers. busy the people who live done work that 5, that is my god as children, the sisters and brothers. and that's exactly what is missing. and then most of the national and media outlets. it's really, really a lot of discrimination. a lot of i'm acceptable doing the discrimination and both of them that in the lives keep coming go to them is the keep repeating them. especially one last point is that they,

they tend to blame the victim lemming victim. they blame us for being bombarded. they blame and gusts for being cook. this is so acceptable, jody. you generally sell pricing and gaza and also in the occupied, westbound because well, when the stuff where is at the moment do what do you? i maxime, i can always question, i guess, but what are your main concerns? but you, in this reporting narrative is also now very dangerous. let me in the west bank as well. with increased settler activity. it's incredibly difficult to, to be safe reporting on this area. not only do we have, obviously the minute to launch has potential ground invasion, but increasingly journalist risk when they're going out to report from potentially a, as people who wants to take revenge on gentleness on matters for reporting what's happening. we've seen cases of done this, even in israel being pulled out of that cause being harass,

being threatened. we've seen targeting of minute tree, i'm sorry, of media installations. prevent which would obviously prevent the media from reporting and guessing the news out. so it's not just the minute tray route, risks that doesn't that space. it's also the threats and harassment from pops ordinary individuals from the police and others. for doing that job's hiring, i wanted to ask you about the challenges all bustling, a fake information to fake news, if you like this been a lot of concerns that may just social media groups like met so that manage facebook and instagram. i've been heavily censoring palestinian content in arabic can compared to how they do with content. in hebrew there is this need for freedom of information. how do you balance those 2 needs? it was supposed to go. there is the entry access or journalist to

go to the west bank back and if so, i think is one way in which he uses being sense that they're only some sources that can, can work this or showing this don't have access certainly might have received another because of that, of social media platforms are taking down post. in the case of mecca, there was already a adjustment or a decision by tone oversight board about this distortion of removal found this thing in post metric page that it has to but not improve its content at policies more duration policies. but of course, some things are still coming in and it's very hard to judge what is actually happening because all the social media platforms, as you know, have very, to take ways of managing content. why don't we default so no. is the states a number of european states, for example, have tried to stop, protest, procurement, finest in protest, have tried to remove, for example,

or kind of thing in class. when, when demonstrate design using that type of censorship is of course no reasonable under international law on the ground. i can just only just imagine terrible. this must be for john. and this was due to resulting for someone like was to try to do that. she has fixed very rarely, has there been such a demand on the cards for this evening of june this from the wrong, but feel free access to the media should be a fundamental requirement in a situation like this because that's the way from diverse so that you guys would be able to make out what is propaganda and what is that at the moment that is not the last place right? there is a blockade. no justin civilians not just in many tattered aid. also access, jody su, for us to comment on that. i wanted to comment on that to, to echo that point because of the quantity of missing this information we are

seeing. that's why it survived so that we have up to reality of media covering this conflict is why we're particularly concerned that the committee to protect done is by threats to, for example, sensor to 0. it is really important at this moment in time where people have finding it very difficult to know what to believe that you have a to relative media able to report what is happening, even in the face of unimaginable threats and pressure. and jody, i wanted to ask you as well about joe and list operating in israel. somebody's railey june list have not been able to question the actions of back country because of the atmosphere, but it is right of your either for us or against us at the moment. what are you hearing about that? we're having some of the concerns that people have being threatened for asking questions. that's the job of done. and this journalism is to hold power to accounts

to us difficult questions. it's perfectly possible to do that and remain patio to remain a citizen, a real country. um, and you should not be so rest and or prevented from doing so either by the government or officials or by the mold myself. how can i ask you what you would have so many interviews with for media or many don't speak to you until as a conflict in the palestinian territories. what, what are the sort of biggest challenges you face and the ignorance you sometimes come across with the generals? who rarely speak to you. well, as you said, we never looked at them. the never interviewed the unless something is happening. so is what it is. i mean, uh before this whole order started before it's months, we've lost in uh, what's the bank $248.00 by this pinions, including for the children. one of them was only 2 and a half years old. we had set, let, has been in houses that last been in the cars attacking communities. no,

none of these for the and yet know this, but he, i don't even think to the, to, to, to do part about that. very few, if any. and, but that's one example, one son is that our lives had, or once something happens to, is that. and then everybody's here that there's the 2 extra unfortunately. but i want to add something about the silence of silence exhibit and understand those things to people. and before this attack started, we, we know that there was an act of intellectual instead of being practiced by different scientist, organizations, i'm sorry, i missed a lot of these in different countries of the world. the best example of that is gemini, i've had to try to say something, i mean, immediately attacked by this lobby, forcing people to design from their jobs that are threatening them, etc. but it's now gotten much worse. i think the basic approach of i need this to explanation. any who doesn't belong to either side is to be balanced in the

approach. and we've just had in the process of which something that is taking place . i do this, i'm not anybody but the secretary general of the united nations. good. that is, who was just there to say that there is this, have this in the topic that are back your mind. there is no compassion, america, or the united states as much good as occupation in the united states as much that upsets us about because he said that now that a witch, hunting him and the foot in the minister of israel, in the united nations, had the governess to say that's what i'm now on there is no place for balance positions. he's saying, and that's only a fascist, would say that either you, i don't know what to side completely or do you wanna, oh you're out. oh, it may be something that they sent to that. let me mention very quickly, a few things. first of all, just another start. i'm not allowed to guys or no, no, no is allowed to say it out of there, but getting a list of injured those items. they will not let them go to guys. i accept of the

outer behind those that are in the army. and this data fed the automated spinning, the 2nd the now i just didn't go a general list in the bank. people who have been met, even people who have been interviewed just going in theaters then i noticed it because they had expressing their views. and then i think, i think the stuff that i do, it was very clear to him. he, when he thought that the killing of his family was an act of revenge. because of what he has been doing, honestly to the port to what's happened and good guys. okay. i mean polarized media environment is not unique to israel, of course, but there's a level of conflict intensifies. it doesn't, it? it does. and that is why i want to re emphasize the importance of human rights, human rights bustle, the obligations of state. stockholders women rights is also a universe. so there is a right to media freedom independence, free to run

a diverse media. and that has been denied that has been a rough shot by uh, these really authorities and others at the moment. uh, some of the things that which i think is a very, very dangerous uh, president that has been created here and has been over the years. i need that attention to define this thing and problem of the patient attention. so if you brain wiped out all the conflict and not both, there's a lot of attention actually, at least. and i hope that this is not going to be a transiency. it has to be solved, there's a deep root causes of this conflict that continue and the victims of that are the civilians in crowds of people living in the west bank. this problem has to be solved, otherwise, i think the international community is only creating more problems of the future. and joe, to kinda ask you about that, as well as the challenges of reporting and such and such a polarized media or environment, or it's something. unfortunately,

we say internationally, it's particularly acute in this conflict. it's an environment in which people, uh, highly personalized are highly personalized attacks. so in addition to all of the physical attacks that people receives as honey passed, 9th of tax for those covering the conflict safe from outside garza and the west bank. and it's really important. and i don't want to emphasize this, that the joe but, but john messages go out and report the fives what they say outside we always talk about, you know, a job is not to, to take 2 views about whether it's raining is to go outside and tell you whether it's raining or not, i'm not really important. it's really important that we recognize that the job of done this is to report the facts and that people should not be targeted either physically online, harassed or receive any of the mistreatment for doing that. job's a most stuff,

a very quickly the last the last question to you, but how challenging is doing palestinian diplomacy at the moment? how difficult is it to get the palestinian voice? it's not difficult, but there's nothing possible and nothing good. this green us, we will keep doing whatever we can, we'd keep trying to 53 in the this black forest of misleading information on separate occasions to bring that to light. so to the people to bring the tools to the people and i own was said to my colleagues, you need on the to do 110. so for those that are is due because the truth is on our side and i think we should not save any moment without trying to do that because this is what could protect the lives of people who are being cut now out on the clock. when 5, when every 5 minutes of understanding and is, could've done every 10 minutes up on a student to try and lose his life. all right, folks were out of time,

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