estimated 80000 children are abducted by one of their parents. 101 east follows some others desperately trying to be united with their children. oh no, just the child is there is cause a be or a cheap mom says wife, daughter, son, grandson, killed in his riley a time the majority of the oldest victims of women and children with journalists among the dead to these anywhere in the gaza strip site. this is inside store the

hello and welcome to the program and the and it's miss. while doctor is one of the best known journalists in the gaza strip, just as his colleague sherry and unblocked i was in the occupied, westbank is really full. so shelton killed during while she was on the assignment in janine last year, wiles, wife, daughter, son, grandson, were killed, and as striking a refugee camp in central garza, on wednesday, a place they had left home for a place they believed to be safe. despite the tragedy, while his pledge to keep reporting on these rails bore on gauze with their feelings, no doubt it would not stock me from doing my duties no matter what the price without paying the voice of. i'll just hear my voice with continued to tell the truth in a few minutes, i will go live on air. shame on the story of the occupation forces. small women and children have been killed in this more than man, or even competence. hospitals schools refugee comes in upon them. books i've been raised to the ground, and relentless is rarely a tax journalist,

have been victims too. and less than 3 weeks 20 full media workers have been killed . 20 of them palestinians, according to the committee for the protection of journalists in the face of such a violence is anywhere in gauze a safe for any one. we'll be discussing this with, i guess in a moment. but 1st, let's talk to a journalist and close colleague of well, that's due on just a producer stuff. what i'll close has covered gauze over the past 12 years, and i've been lucky enough to work with them over that time. honey joined us from data. obama in central garza so well thanks for joining us. i know it's a very, very difficult time for you at the moment. just tell us 1st of all about while and his family what do you know? um you have been uh to go several times and you know, uh with the relationship between other agencies that are teams. wireless not only for league, why it is a big brother. um is close to everybody in terms of uh, does it a team you know,

we use uh that insurance and he is the advisor for everyone since he is the uh, the most experienced a journalist and the thing dogs that i as nothing probably stein on the 0 t as in dog o. so the, you know, um we have been shared in quite a lot of social and touch scenarios. the ceremonies including the days including the manager based on the last year. so we are family uh together which met with the and, and uh, the other colleagues, you know, are, you know, uh and for, we work together in the 0 for 12 years, but i know him for more than 23 years or 22 to be more accurate so i, you know, i know when he used to work for local daily, uh, the reporter and then he moved to a lot of media such a like journal. and then finally uh for our luck he joined under 0. he's the

bravest journalist by the way, i have ever met and they have what so ever worked with. despite all of these conditions, heart conditions on the, on the work and on the fire. if you decided to stay in dogs, well, i'd keep keep reporting work until july for, but i've been from the destruction and i made some k days ago and i told him why. and while you're staying here, they said, what else can we go simply? so he okay, he thought the case, acute of his family holding them or displacing them to understand, right. so if you're jake referred, you come, but unfortunately g said no place it's safe on you're a journalist on your family, mom. how have you been able to manage both those aspects of your lots of families the most important course? it was the the most major and challenge that i have been facing. the other 5 that i have what support would make it to get display starts to

displace with my trying to be uh, you know, do have to meet the minimum needs at least uh for the time it is. uh, we spent a long time looking, cutting bottles of water and lining up at some wells just to find some water for the children. this is number one number to the food unit, a sanction for which is the bread. we lined up at the bakery to bring food on itself, even safe, you know, some people they were killed. why lining up at the water? a water loads or at the bakers? so we have been reporting that even though a lot of folks. so this is the 1st challenge, the 2nd thing is the fee and or the funding. it looks or the children they look at the father of been being sort of fall out on support. and they contribute to the field and the weakness and the father because understand that. so this is psychologically is buddy dangerous. and for the long term,

when the family loses the faith in the main social followed, which is the father to. so i asked my daughter a few days ago, how do you feel that you said you are ok, we are ok. this good. this even more challenges to the challenges that you are facing in an hour about an hour, an hour without a 5 minutes. all right. stuff. what stuff at all clued. thank you for talking to us from gaza. please. please look after yourself and your family, your, you know, your colleagues in gaza an hour and all thoughts. so please, please try take care as best you can self lot. thank you very much. so and go to best. thank you. the thank you, my dear. thank you very much. let spring in august in new york is jody against the president of the committee to protect the journalist, a non profit organization that promotes media freedom and defends the rights of

journalists in ramallah and the occupied westbank is most stuff. a bogu t sexy general of the palestinian national initiative. and in the home jordan capital, texas, take out the is irene. com. you in special rapids or on the promotion and protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression. a warm welcome to you will. um, 1st of all, my stuff uh about gucci and ramallah. can you just tell us about how important wales reporting is in now? big speaking world. 2 that's a very uh, very close and 2 of them colleague who, who has been doing wonderful work in terms of the general isn't covering what was happening because all of these is that he has covered so many wards that happened to so many are conditions that happened on garza, i personally knew him very well and i happened to be in guys are doing it in 2014 or and during which time uh, we met many times on so he did wonderful professional job and i think there were 2

icons. or if i just need a word in the occupied territories and, and i do and goes on shitty noble awfully in the middle. and unfortunately, both of them had this terrible tragedy. city, noble avenue, was killed by an early sniper. and the most recent that the national commission reported the very clearly that she was assessing it took for no reason. i buy and is there any sniper, i know the door is losing his farm and his the is his wife, his son, his daughter. it's kind of been tardy, but also it indicates so what journalist have to live through in palestine. let me add that up to this moment, 22 journalist and guys that have been kind of doing this should have been a task of his writing. yeah, suiting the last 20 days 2020 i noticed on tiffany. also remind you that the during

the last 10 years and this in addition to these 22 jet another 52 i got you and a list include the attribute of opt. you would also come to buy those that are the automated list back and guys. yes. okay, myself and thank you very much. jody varies perhaps no more dangerous in the world to walk right as a journalist than gaza at the moment. one of the challenges you understand the best facing above the ordinary challenges they would face from the reporting from gaza joining previous conflicts as well as you heard this is the deadliest comes back to the full gentleness, opposing on this region of the in the 30 is that c p j has documenting this, and in fact, it looks like it's the worst period for john lynch cover and complex anyway, ever in those the t he is extremely challenging to cover goals or at the moment there is no way to go. that's right. there's no, it's a hide and i'm so i'm,

and yet we are relying on those douglas inside goes us to tell us what's happening and everyone who is a john. this is effectively becoming more full to and that's been the case for many gods and janice them for many years. they coping with challenges including lack of electricity. obviously the dangers of repeated strikes and so on. and, and all of that while they are in must and living among friends and family as, as well. was irene, um, what do you understand that it was that the from your perspective important of course of freedom of expression and opinion. what do you understand of that of the challenges of a journalist trying to do lots in gaza? well, 1st of all that you said the freedom of expression is extremely important to us or to, to the lead times of conflict. how as we get to use. but in this conflict,

it is indiscriminate. disproportionate attacks against his phone civilians, joggers civilians under international humanitarian. though they have no protection that civilians warren gotta have no protection from indiscriminate, disproportionate attacks. so what good is your jack press with not going to do? what are your habits going to do that so to speak, to on the ground there, there are no rules that have being followed by bike is red. in this conflict, no rules applicable to civilians are being respected. that is an immense trash. the other people on the grow, but i think for international humanitarian know the entire system of the room. the floor is under pressure here. and you on the list on the front line. all the ones who are showing with the coverage and resilience. how much of blatant disregard for international humanitarian law is taking place in government?

most of what we're trying to look a bit at how generally so we're able to report from cause or, and also the occupied westbank. do you see a way that the do you see a way the palestinians are reported about is a different place to the ways re lease i would reported about. and of course there is a very huge difference. and the especially a doing this terrible or is it any perspective is present to repeatedly and so many times. and even when it's long lies about what has happened in like that total, misleading and black media information about decapitating children or raping women, which which many dentist had to apologize about. reporting like cnn, reporters los angeles times as well. but these lies keep repeating. and unfortunately, what i see in many, i'm in the national media outlets,

is that the do not on the portal is what, what is it, or is i saying the do not 3 portable experience, i think. but on top of that, if you add it and i actually interviewed, i mean that they would have 10 interviews with, with, with the, with, is there any and maybe one location, the interview with the city? and then the strange thing is that the broadcast or the one who was running to the interview wouldn't be and not the only thing again is that any point of view, but also the p things. i say i'm go back and why he's interviewing governors opinion. and that by itself shows you how, how, how the dispute is the situation unfair and how improper it is. and the problem also is that when did he put it about, is it or the situation? it said he bought it, think about human beings, a person who tried doing uh, family who has been affected, but then its numbers on the, on the police,

the on site. and that's why the state, the case of uh why is that maybe brings maybe some light on the fact that these 7000 palestinians, kent, i'm more of them 3000 children killed out of human beings. the not just the numbers . busy of the people who live doesn't work that 5, that is my god, as children as sisters and brothers. and that's exactly what is missing. and then most of the nation and media outlets. it's really, really a lot of discrimination. a lot of i'm acceptable doing the discrimination and um, more about that in the lives keep coming, go to them is the keep repeating them, especially one last point is that they, they tend to blame the victim. blaming the victim. they blame us for being bombarded. they're blaming us for being cook. this is so acceptable, jody, you generally sell pricing and gaza and also in the occupied,

westbound because well, what i'm a software is at the moment do what are you? i'm actually, i'm, i can always question, i guess, but what are your main concerns, but you in this reporting that it is also now very dangerous. let me in the west bank as well. we increase the productivity. it's incredibly difficult to, to be safe reporting on this area. not only do we have, obviously the minute to launch has potential ground invasion, but increasingly journalist risk when they're going out to report from potentially as people who wants to take revenge on gentleness olmos for reporting what's happening. we've seen cases of done this, even in israel being pulled out of that cause being harass, being threatened. we've seen targeting of ministry, i'm sorry, of media installations. prevent which would obviously prevent the media from reporting and guessing the news out. so it's not just the minute tray risks that

just in this space. it's also the threats and harassment from pups ordinary individuals from the police and others. for doing that job's hiring, i wanted to ask you about the challenges all bustling, fake information to fake news. if you liked has been a lot of concerns that may just social media groups like met the manage facebook and instagram. i've been heavily censoring palestinian content in arabic can compared to how they do with content. in hebrew there is this need for freedom of information. how do you balance those 2 needs? i was supposed to go. there is the entry access or journalist to go to the west bank back. and if so, i think this one way in which he uses being sense is there only some sources that can, can work there or showing this don't have access. uh, certainty might have received another because of that. so to me,

the forms are taking down post. in the case of mecca, there was already a, a, a document or a decision by tone oversight board, about distortion. if you're move or found this thing in post metric games that it has to but not improve its content at policies, motivation policies. but of course, some things are still coming in and it's very hard to judge what is actually happening because all the social media platforms, as you know, have very, to take ways of managing content. why don't we default so no. is the states a number of european states, for example, have tried to stop protest precluded by the state in protest, have tried to remove, for example, posting in class when the, when demonstrate design using that type of censorship is of course not simple under international law on the ground, i can just only just imagine how terrible it must be for john and this was due to

resulting for someone like was to try to do that. he has fixed very rarely, has there been such a demand on the cards for this evening of june this from the wrong, but feel free access to media should be a fundamental requirement in a situation like this because that's the way from diverse so that readers would be able to make out what is propaganda and what is back at the moment. that is not big enough place. right. there is a blockade. no justin civilians not just in many tired aid. also. yeah. access, jody. yes. you for us to comment on that. we need to come in on that to, to echo that point because of the quantity of missing this information we are seeing. that's why it survived so that we have up to reality of media covering this conflict is why we're particularly concerned that the committee to protect done is by threats to, for example, sensor out to 0. it is really important. and this moment in time where people have

finding it very difficult to know what to believe that you have a relative media able to report what is happening, even in the face of unimaginable threats and pressure. and jody, i wanted to ask you as well about joe and list operating in israel. somebody's railey june list have not been able to question the actions of back country because of the atmosphere that it is right of your either for us or against us at the moment. what are you hearing about that? we're hearing similar concerns that people have been interested in for asking questions about the job of done this. and journalism is to hold power to accounts to us difficult questions. it's perfectly possible to do that and remain patio tech remain a citizen of your country. um, and you should not be rest and or prevented from doing so either by the

government or officials or by the mold myself. how can i ask you to have so many interviews with for media or many don't speak to until as conflict in the palestinian territories. what. what are the sort of biggest challenges you face in the ignorance you sometimes come across with degeneracy, riley speak to. well, as you said, we never look at that and the never interviewed unless something is happening. so isn't it? i mean, uh, before this whole order started for the 8 months we've lost in uh, west bank 248th brothers pinions including for the children is one of them was only 2 and a half years old. we had set, let us been in houses that last been in good cars attacking communities. no, none of these for the and yet know this, but he had or even practice really to, to, to do part about that. very few, if any. and, but that's one example, one son is that our lives had, or once something happens to,

is that. and then everybody's here that there's the 2 extra unfortunately. but i want to add something about the silence of silence exhibit and understand those things to people. and before this attack started, we, we know that there was an act of intellectual internal being practiced by different and scientist organizations, i'm sorry, i missed a lot of these in different countries of the world. the best example of that is gemini, about to try to say something, i mean, immediately attacked by this lobby, forcing people to design from their jobs for attending them, etc. but it's now gotten much worse. i think that basic upload, so i need your notice to explanation. any who doesn't belong to either side is to be balanced in the approach and we've just had in the process of which something that is taking place. i do this, i'm not anybody but the secretary general of the united nations. good, there ish, was just there to say that there is this have the top in the back. your mind there

is no compassion, america, or the united states as much good as occupation of the united states as much that upsetting us about because he said that now that a witch, hunting him and the foot in the minister of visitors in the united nations had the god, yes to say that's what i'm now on. there is no place for balance positions. he's saying, and that's only a fascist, would say that either you, i don't know what a side completely or do you, i don't know, you're out all over the enemy. so you know, they can't do that. let me mention very quickly, a few things. first of all, just another start. i'm not allowed to guys or no, no, no will out of it out of there. but getting a list out, enjoy those of them. they will not let them go together except of the outer behind those that are in the army. and this data fair, the automated spinning, the 2nd, the now i just didn't go a journalist and the bank. people who have been met. even people who have been interviewed just going in theaters then i noticed it because they had expressing

their views. and then i think, i think the stuff that i do, it was very clear to him. he, when he thought that the killing of his family was an act of revenge because of what he has been doing, honestly to report to what's happening. going garza okay. i mean polarized media environment is not unique to israel, of course, but there's a level of conflict intensifies. it doesn't it? i suppose it does. and that is why i want to re emphasize the importance of human rights. human rights and universal obligations state still closed them and rights is far so a universe. so there is a right to media freedom independent, free to run a diverse media. and that has been denied that has been run rough. uh, by uh, these really authorities and others at the moment, uh, from allies. what is that which i think is a very, very dangerous precedent that it's been created here and has been over the years. i

me that of attention to the kind of thing and problem of the patient, you brain wiped out all the contacts and not both. there's a lot of attention to them, at least. and i hope that this is not going to be a transiency. it has to be solved, there's a deep root causes of this conflict that continue and the victims of that are the civilians. and because that's a people living in the west bank, this problem has to be solved. otherwise, i think the international community is only creating more problems for the future. and joe, to kinda ask you about that, as well as the challenges of reporting and such and such a polarized media or environment. this is something unfortunately we saying internationally, it's particularly acute in this conflict. it's an environment in which people, uh, highly personalized are highly personalized attacks. so in addition to all of the

physical attacks that people receives as honey past nice attacks for those covering the conflict safe from outside garza and the west bank and. and it's really important. and i, i want to emphasize this, that the job of a dozen messages go out and report the fives what they say outside we always talk about, you know, a job is not to, to take 2 views about whether it's raining is to go outside and tell you whether it's raining or not, i'm not really important. it's really important that we recognize that the job of done and this is to report the facts and that people should not be targeted either physically online, harassed or receive any of the mistreatment for doing that. job's a most stuff, a very quickly the last the last question to you, but how challenging is doing palestinian diplomacy at the moment? how difficult easy to get the palestinian voice to start?

difficult about there's nothing possible and nothing good. this green us, we will keep doing whatever we can. we'll keep trying to figure out that the, this black forest of misleading information on separate occasions to bring that to light. so to the people to bring the tools to the people and i own was said to my colleagues, you need on the to do 110. so for those that are is due because the truth is on our side and i think we should not save any moment without trying to do that because this is what could to protect the lives of people who are being cut now out on the clock. when 5, when every 5 minutes of understanding and is, could've done every 10 minutes up on a student to try and lose his life. all right, folks were out of time, but thank you very much for your contributions. thanks to i guess, to jody ginsburg, the stuff about gucci and irene. com. and thank you to for watching. you can see the problem again. any time by visiting our website. i'll dra 0, don't com. the further discussion go to our facebook page, not facebook dot com,

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join us and let's discover a better world expo 2023. the list is most is like for palestinians and his radio occupied territories. every day of the year, all the trees security checks the day, the old deal, especially for young palestinian men. i didn't do it. you asked me for my house and you say they're not going out unless they have to to avoid the reds check points and harassment from angry is really odd. non side tells us he feels the situation has less than to palestinians. on sunday he was chased by launch group. this is randy settlers, one on his way to what i think his rating stupid, mocking. the security guard came over shouting by pointing a gun at my face and forced me to the ground. it was discrimination only because on palestinian with formright groups quoting on his re lease to its hind palestinians

. they come across regardless of age palestinians a walrus that they'll be collectively punished more than they already have been the . ready the you're watching the news, our life from a headquarters, and i'm getting another gauge are coming up in the next 60 minutes. more than 7000 palestinians have been killed in gaza as israel continues to pound residential areas. the foreign ministers of 9 era countries condemned the force displacement on collective punishments of palestinians. european leaders call for humanitarian corps doors on fall.