so bad by the text of this moment on fiber optics of goods. what are the people in the state of shock? people are very scared, very stressed. a lot of people are saying the country contented carter attacks were bonding more south. i'm shocked by our government and just care about the sides. i'll just arrows garza, b, r, a chief mullins, his wife door to some underground son killed in his riley attempt. the majority of the most victims of women and children with journalists among the dead to these anywhere in the gaza strip site. this is inside store the

hello and welcome to the program and the and it's nice while doctor is one of the best known journalists in the gaza strip, just as his colleagues, very novel actually was in the occupied. westbank is really full of the sheltering killed during while she was on the assignment in janine last year. wiles, wife, daughter, son, grandson, were killed, and as striking a refugee camp in central garza, on wednesday, a place they had left home for a place they believed to be safe. despite the tragedy, while his pledge to keep reporting on these rails bore on gauze. no doubt it would not stock me from doing my duties no matter what the price without paying the voice of. i'll just hear my voice with continued to tell the truth. in a few minutes i will go live on air. shame on the story of the occupation forces. small women and children have been killed in this more than man or even competence . hospitals schools refugee comes in a palm and books. i've been raised to the ground and relentless is rarely

a tax journalist, have been victims too. and less than 3 weeks, 20 full media workers have been killed. 20 of them palestinians, according to the committee for the protection of journalists in the face of such a violence as anywhere in gauze a safe for anyone. we'll be discussing this with, i guess in a moment. but 1st, let's talk to a journalist and close colleague of well to do. i'll just share a producer stuff what i'll close as covert gauze over the past 12 years, and i've been lucky enough to work with them over that time. honey joined us from data. obama in central garza. southwell, thanks for joining us. i know it's a very, very difficult time for you. the moment just tell us 1st of all about while and his family what do you know? um, you have been uh to go several times and you know, uh, with the relationship between other agencies that are teams. wireless not only for league, why it is a big brother. um is close to everybody in terms of uh, does it

a team you know, we use uh that insurance and he is the advisor for everyone since he is the uh, the most experienced a journalist and the thing dogs that i just nothing. probably stein on the 0 t as in dog o. so the, you know, um we have been shared in quite a lot of social touch scenarios. the ceremonies including the days, including the manager based on last year. so we are family uh together which met with the and, and uh, the other colleagues, you know, i, you know, uh and for, we work together in the 0 for 12 years, but i know him for more than 23 years or 22 to be more accurate so i, you know, i know when he used to work for local daily, uh, the reporter and then he moved to a lot of media such a like journal. and then finally uh for our luck he joined under 0. he's the

bravest journalist by the way, i have ever met and they have what so ever worked with. despite all of these conditions, heart conditions on the, on the work and on the fire. if you decide to stay in dogs, well, and keep, keep reporting well, control life from the, from the destruction. and i made some k days ago and i told him why. and while you're staying here, they said, what else to do? we go simply. so he, okay, he thought the case, acute of his family moving them or displacing them to and those that are to the virginia for jacob. but unfortunately, g said no place it's safe on. you're a journalist on your family, mom. how have you been able to manage both those aspects of your lots of families the most important course? it was the, the most major and challenge that i have been facing. the other 5 that i have what

support would make it to get displaced over to displace with my trying to do? uh, you know, do have to meet the minimum needs at least uh for the time of day. uh, we spend a long time looking, cutting bottles of water and lining up at some wells just to find some water for the children. this is number one number to the food unit, a sanction for which is the bread. we line up at the bakery to bring food on itself, even safe, you know, some people they were killed. why lining up at the water? a water loads or at the bakers? so we have been reporting that even though a lot of folks. so this is the 1st challenge, the 2nd thing is the fee and or the funding. it looks or the children they look at the father of been being sort of fall out on support. and they could treat to the field and the weakness and the father because understand that. so this is psychologically is buddy dangerous. and for the long term,

when the family loses the faith in the main social followed, which is the father to. so i asked my daughter a few days ago, how do you feel that you said you are ok, we are ok. this is this even more challenging to the challenges that you are facing in an hour about an hour, an hour without assignment. it's all right stuff. what stuff at all clued. thank you for talking to us from gaza. please, please look after yourself and your family, your, you know, your colleagues in gaza an hour and all thoughts. so please, please try take care as best you can stop by thank you very much. try and go to best. thank you. the thank you, my dear. thank you very much. let spring in august in new york is jody against the president of the committee to protect the journalist, a non profit organization that promotes media freedom and defends the rights of

journalists in ramallah and the occupied westbank is most stuff or bogu. t sexy general of the palestinian national initiative. and in the home jordan capital texas take out the is irene. com. you in special rapids or on the promotion and protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression. a warm welcome to you will. um, 1st of all, my stuff uh about gucci and ramallah. can you just tell us about how important wales reporting is in now? big speaking world. 2 very uh, very close, and 2 of them colleague who, who has been doing wonderful work in terms of the general, isn't covering what was happening because all of these is that he has covered so many wards that happened to so many are conditions that happened on garza i personally knew him very well and i happened to be in guys are doing it in 2014 or and during which time. uh we met many times on so he did wonderful professional

job and uh, i think there were 2 icons of i just need a word in uh the occupied territories and, and the door and goes on should be noble awfully in the middle. and unfortunately, both of them had this terrible tragedy. city, noble avenue, was killed by an early sniper. and the most recent that the national commission reported the very clearly that she was assessing it took for no reason. i buy and is there any sniper? i know the door is losing his farm and his the is his wife, his son, his daughter. it's kind of been tardy, but also it indicates so what journalist have to live through in palestine. let me add that up to this moment. 22 journalist and guys that have been kind of doing this that have been a task of his writing. yeah, suiting the last 20 days 22 jet noticed i'm sick and he also remind you that during

the last 10 years and this in addition to these 22 jet another 50 to other, you'll notice include the attribute of opt. you would also come to buy those that are the ottoman list back and guys. yes. okay, myself and thank you very much. jody varies, perhaps no more dangerous in the well to walk right as a journalist than gaza at the moment. one of the challenges you understand the best facing above the ordinary challenges they would face from the reporting from gaza joining previous conflicts as well as you heard this is the deadliest comes back to the full journalist opposing on this region of the in the 30 is that c p j has documenting this, and in fact, it looks like it's the worst period for john lynch cover and complex anyway, ever in those the t he is extremely challenging to cover goals or at the moment there is no way to go. that's right. there's no, it's a hide and i'm so i'm,

and yet we are relying on those douglas inside goes us to tell us what's happening and everyone who is a john. this is effectively becoming more full to and that's been the case for many gods and janice them for many years. they coping with challenges including lack of electricity. obviously the dangers of repeated strikes and so on. and, and all of that while they are in must and living among friends and family as, as well. was irene, um, what do you understand that it was that the from your perspective important of course of freedom of expression and opinion. what do you understand of that of the challenges of a journalist trying to do lots in gaza? well, 1st of all that you said the freedom of expression is extremely important, or particularly in times of conflict, how as we get to use. but in this conflict,

it is indiscriminate, disproportionate attacks against his phone civilian just of civilians under international humanitarian. though they have no protection civilians warned gotta have no protection from indiscriminate, disproportionate attacks. so what good is your jack press with not going to do? what are your habits going to do that so to speak, to on the ground, that there are no rules that have being followed by, by his red. in this conflict, no rules applicable to civilians are being respected. that is an immense trash. the other people on the grow, but i think for international humanitarian know the entire system of the room. the floor is under pressure here. and you on the list on the front line. all the ones who are showing the coverage and resilience. how much of blatant disregard for international humanitarian law is taking place in government?

most of what we're trying to look a bit at how generally so we're able to report from cause or, and also the occupied westbank. do you see a way that the do you say a way the palestinians are reported about is a different place to the ways re lease i would reported about. and of course there is a very huge difference. and the especially a doing this terrible or is it any perspective is present to repeatedly and so many times. and even when it's long lies about what has happened, like that totally misleading and black media information about decapitating children or raping women, which which many had noticed, had to apologize about reporting like cnn, reporters and los angeles times as well. but these lies keep repeating, and unfortunately what i see in many, i'm in the national media outlets,

is that the do not on the portal is what, what is it or is i saying the do not 3 portal experience? i think. but on top of that, if you add it and i actually interviewed, i mean that they would have 10 interviews with, with, with the, with, is there any and maybe one location, the interview with the city? and then the strange thing is that the broadcast or the one who was running the interview wouldn't be and not the only thing again is that any point of view but also the, the things i say, i'm not like under why he's interviewing governor's opinion. and that by itself shows you how, how, how the dispute is the situation, how unfair, and how improper it is. and the problem also is that when did he put it about, is it or the situation? it's a board think about human beings. a pedestal, a child doing uh, family who has been affected, but then its numbers on the, on the police,

the on site. and that's why the state, the case of uh why is that maybe brings maybe some light on the fact that these 7000 palestinians, kent, i'm more of them 3000 children killed out of human beings. the not just the numbers . busy the people who live doesn't work that 5, that is my god, as children as sisters and brothers. and that's exactly what is missing. and then most of the nation and media outlets. it's really, really a lot of discrimination. a lot of i'm acceptable doing the discrimination and um, more about that in the lives keep coming, go to them is the keep repeating them, especially one last point is that they, they tend to blame the victim. blaming the victim. they blame us for being bombarded. they're blaming us for being cook. this is so acceptable, jody, you generally sell pricing and gaza and also in the occupied,

westbound because well, what i'm a software is at the moment do what are you? i'm actually, i'm, i can always question, i guess, but what are your main concerns, but you in this reporting that it is also now very dangerous. let me in the west bank as well. we increase the productivity. it's incredibly difficult to, to be safe reporting on this area. not only do we have, obviously the minute to launch has potential ground invasion, but increasingly journalist risk when they're going out to report from potentially a, as people who wants to take revenge on gentleness olmos for reporting what's happening. we've seen cases of done this, even in israel being pulled out of that cause being harass, being threatened. we've seen targeting of ministry, i'm sorry, of media installations. prevent which would obviously prevent the media from reporting and guessing the news out. so it's not just the minute tray route,

risks that just in this space. it's also the threats and harassment from pups ordinary individuals from the police and others. for doing that job's hiring, i wanted to ask you about the challenges all bustling, fake information to fake news if you liked has been a lot of concerns that may just social media groups like met the manage facebook and instagram. i've been heavily censoring palestinian content in arabic can compared to how they do with content. in the hebrew there isn't this need for freedom of information. how do you balance those 2 needs? i was supposed to go. there is the entry access or journalist to go to the west bank back and if so, i think is one way in which he uses being sense. if there are only some sources that can, can work there or showing this don't have access. uh, certainty might have received another because of that. so to me,

the forms are taking down post in the case of mecca and there was already a document or a decision by phone oversight board about distortion. if you're move or found this thing in post metric games that it has to but not improve its content at policies, motivation policies. but of course, some things are still coming in and it's very hard to judge what is actually happening because all the social media platforms that you know, have very, to take ways of managing content. why don't we default so no. is the space a number of european states, for example, have tried to stop protest frequently by the state in protest have tried to remove, for example, posting in class when the, when demonstrate design using data type of censorship is of course not simple under international law on the ground, i can just only just imagine how terrible it must be for john and this was due to

resulting for someone like was to try to do that. he has fixed very rarely, has there been such a demand on the cards in this evening of june this from the wrong. but seeing and free access to media should be a fundamental requirement in a situation like this because that's the way from diverse so that readers would be able to make out what is propaganda and what is back at the moment. that is not the last place, right. there is a blockade. no justin civilians not just a mandatory date. also and jackson's jody. yes. you for us to comment on that. we need to come in on that to, to echo that point because of the quantity of missing this information we are seeing. that's why it survived so that we have of true reality of media covering this conflict is why we're particularly concerned that the committee to protect done is by threats to, for example, sensor to 0. it is really important. and this moment in time where people have

finding it very difficult to know what to believe that you have a to reality of media able to report what is happening, even in the face of unimaginable threats and pressure. and jody, i wanted to ask you as well about joe and list operating in israel. somebody's railey june list have not been able to question the actions of back country because of the atmosphere that it is right of your either for us or against the what, what are you hearing about that? we're hearing similar concerns that people have been interested in for asking questions about the job of done and this journalism is to hold power to accounts to us difficult questions. it's perfectly possible to do that and remain patio tech remain a citizen of your country. um, and you should not be rest and or prevented from doing so either by the

government or officials or by the mold myself. how can i ask you how you would have so many interviews with for media or many don't speak to you until as a conflict in the palestinian territories. well, what are the sort of the biggest challenges you face and the ignoring, see sometimes come across with the generally through rally, speak to. well, as you said, do we never look at that, then the never interviewed the unless something is happening. so is what it is. i mean uh before this whole order started for the its months, we've lost in uh, west bank $248.00, but his opinions, including for the children. one of them was only 2 and a half years old. we had set, let us bending houses that last been in good cars attacking communities. no, none of these for the and yet know this, but he had or even practice really to, to, to do part about that. very few, if any. and, but that's one example, one son is that our lives had, or once something happens to,

is that. and then everybody's here that there's the 2 extra unfortunately. but i want to add something about the silence of silence exhibit and understand those things to people. and before this effect started, we, we know that there was an act of intellectual internal being practiced by different scientist, organizations. i'm sorry, i missed a lot of these in different countries of the world. the best example of that is gemini, about to try to say something, i mean, immediately attacked by this lobby, forcing people to design from their jobs that are attending them, etc. but it's now gotten much worse. i think that basic upload, so i need you on the list to explanation. any who doesn't belong to either side is to be balanced in the approach and we've. 2 had in the process of which something that is taking place. i do this, i'm not anybody but the secretary general of the united nations. good. there ish was just there to say that there is this have the top in the back. your mind there

is no compassion, america or the united states as much good as occupation in the united states as much that upsets us about because he said that now the witch hunting him and the foot in the minister of visitors in the united nations, had the god, yes, to say that's what i'm now on. there is no place for balanced positions. he's saying and that's only a fascist, would say that either you, i don't know what to side completely or do i know you're out of our enemy. so i'm gonna have to cancel that, let me mention very quickly, a few things. first of all, just notice that i'm not allowed to guys or no, no, no, so out of it out of there. but getting a list out, enjoy those of them. they will not let them go together except of the outer behind those that are in the army. and this data failure, the automated spinning, the 2nd, the now i just didn't go a journalist and the bank. people who have been met. even people who have been interviewed just going in theaters. yeah,

i noticed it because they had expressing their views. and then i think, i think the stuff that i do, it was very clear to him. he, when he thought that the killing of his family was an act of revenge because of what he has been doing, honestly to report to what's happening and good guys. okay. um, i mean polarized media environment is not unique to israel, of course, but there's a level of conflict intensifies. it doesn't it, as you does. and that is why i want to re emphasize the importance of human rights, human rights and universal obligations of state stockholders women, right? as far so i universe. so there is a right to me to freedom independence, free to run a diverse media. and that has been denied that has been our run rough uh, by uh, these really authorities and others at the moment from allies. what is that which i think is a very, very dangerous president that has been created here and has been over the years. i

me that of attention to the kind of thing and problem of the patient, you brain wiped out all the conflict and not both. there's a lot of attention to them, at least, and i hope that this is not going to be a transiency. it has to be solved, there's a deep root causes of this conflict that continue and the victims of that are the civilians. and because that's a people living in the west bank, this problem has to be solved. otherwise, i think the international community is only creating more problems for the future. and joe, to kinda ask you about that, as well as the challenges of reporting and such and such a polarized media or environment. this is something unfortunately we saying internationally, it's particularly acute in this conflict. it's an environment in which people, uh, highly personalized are highly personalized attacks. so in addition to all of the

physical attacks that people receives as honey past nice attacks for those covering the conflict safe from outside garza and the west bank and. and it's really important. and i, i want to emphasize this, that the job of a dozen messages go out and report the fives what they say outside we always talk about, you know, a job is not to, to take 2 views about whether it's raining is to go outside and tell you whether it's raining or not, i'm not really important. it's really important that we recognize that the job of done and this is to report the fact that people should not be targeted either physically online, harass or receive any of the mistreatment for doing that. job's a most stuff, a very quickly the last the last question to you, but how challenging is doing palestinian diplomacy at the moment? how difficult easy to get the palestinian voice her to start?

difficult about there's nothing possible and nothing good. this green us, we will keep doing whatever we can. we'll keep trying to figure out that the, this black forest of misleading information on separate occasions to bring that to light. so to the people to bring the tools to the people and i own was here to my colleagues. you need on the to do 110. so for those that are, it is due because the truth is on our side and i think we should not save any moment without trying to do that because this is what could to protect the lives of people who are being cut now around the clock. when 5, when every 5 minutes of understanding and is, could've done every 10 minutes up at a student and try and lose his life. all right, folks were out of time, but thank you very much for your contributions. thanks to i guess, to jody ginsburg, the stuff about gucci and irene. com. and thank you to for watching. you can see the problem again. any time by visiting our website. i'll dra 0, don't com. on the further discussion, go to our facebook page,

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and a small business sales force and including security around the world. is there something that the international community, your view should be doing to understand how it affects counting the cost on o g, a 0. the know that happen is around the bombing of guys that move in 7000 palestinians have been killed in 3 way to the is the color one. emily, i'm going this is l g 0. live from to house and coming up. united nations is wanting to know where inside guns it is safe. as these riley strikes hit residential areas, the.