3, the mark upfront takes on the big issue. this isn't a one off you. something about a systemic issue here. black labs don't really matter. in the police were unflinching questions is war with lawanda, imminent rigorous debate? people are dying because of lots of medical treatments, challenging conventional with the fact that people are starting to get angry about this is in itself a sign of progress. join me more for me on hills upfront one out 0. i'll just there is guys a bill or a cheap mullins, his wife door to some underground. some killed in is randy a ton. the majority of the was victims of women and children with journalists among the dead to he's anywhere in the gaza strip, say, this is inside store the

hello and welcome to the program and the, and it's nice. while doctor is one of the best known journalists in the gaza strip, just as colleagues or re novel actually was in the occupied, westbank is really full. so shelton killed terrain while she was on assignment in jeanine last year. wiles, wife, daughter, son, grandson, what killed and as striking a refugee camp in central gaza on wednesday, a place they had left the home for a place they believed to be safe. despite the tragedy, while his pledge to keep reporting on his rails bore on goss no doubt, it would not stock me from doing my duties no matter what the price without paying the voice of. i'll just hear my voice will continue to tell the truth in a few minutes i will go live on air. shame on the story of the occupation forces. small women and children have been killed in this world in man or even competence. hospitals schools refugee comes in upon them. books i've been raised to the ground, and relentless is rarely a tax journalist,

have been victims too. and less than 3 weeks 20 full media workers have been killed . 20 of them palestinians, according to the committee for the protection of journalists in the face of such a violence as anywhere in gauze a safe for anyone. we'll be discussing this with, i guess in a moment. but 1st, let's talk to a journalist and close colleague of well do, i'll just share a producer stuff. what i'll close is covered gauze over the past 12 years, and i've been lucky enough to work with them over that time and joined us on data. obama in central garza so well thanks for joining us. i know it's a very, very difficult time for you. the moment just tell us, 1st of all about while i'm his family, what do you know? um you have been uh together several times and you know, uh with the relationship between other agencies that are teams. wireless not only for league, why it is a big brother um is close to everybody and uh, in terms of uh, just the other team, you know,

we use uh that insurance. ready and he is the advisor for everyone since he is the uh, the most experienced a journalist and the thing dogs that i've shopped in palestine and in the just 0 t as in dog o. so the, you know, we have been shared in quite a lot of social touch scenarios, the ceremonies including good days, including the manager based on the last year. so we are family together which met with the and on the other colleagues, you know, are you know what i am for? we work together in the 0 for 12 years, but i know him for more than 23 years or $22.00 to be more accurate. so i, you know, i know when he used to work for local daily, the reporter and then he moved to a lot of media such a life journal. and then finally, for our luck he joined under 0. he's the bravest journalist by the way,

i have ever met and they have what so ever worked with. despite all of these conditions, heart conditions on the, on the working on the fire. if you decide to stay in dogs, well, and keep, keep reporting well, control life from the, from the destruction. and i made some k days ago and i told him why. and while you're staying here, they said, what else can we go simply? so he, okay, he thought the case, acute of his family holding them or displacing them to understand rochester, jake for jacob. but unfortunately g said no place it's safe on you're a journalist on your family, mom. how have you been able to manage both those aspects of your lots of families the most important course? it was the, the most major and challenge that i have been facing as a file that i have uh why,

what support would make it to get the display stops that displays with my trying to be uh, you know, do have to meet the minimum needs at least uh for the time it is. uh, we spent a long time looking, cutting bottles of water and lining up at some wells just to find some water for the children. this is number one number to the food unit, a sanction for which is the bread. we line up at the bakery to bring food on itself, even safe, you know, some people they were killed. why lining up at the water? uh uh, both of loads or the bakers. so we have been reporting that even though a lot of sales. so this is the for the selling, the 2nd thing is the fee and or the funding. it looks or the children, they look at the father of being a source of power and support. and they contribute to the field and the weakness and the father because i understand that. so this is psychologically is very, uh,

dangerous and for the long term when the family loses the faith in the main social followed, which is the father to. so i asked my daughter a few days ago, how do you feel that you said you are ok, we are ok. this good. this even more challenges to the challenges that you are facing in an hour about an hour an hour without a 5 minutes. all right, stuff. what stuff at all clue. thank you for talking to us from gaza. please, please look after yourself and your family, your, you know, your colleagues in gaza an hour and all thoughts. so please, please try take care as best you can self lot. thank you very much. try and go to best. thank your. thank you, my dear. thank you very much. let spring in august in new york is jody against the president of the committee to protect the journalist, a non profit organization that promotes media freedom and defends the rights of

journalists in ramallah and the occupied westbank is most stuff. a bogu t sexy general of the palestinian national initiative. and in the home jordan capital, texas, take out the is irene. com. you're in special rapids or on the promotion protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression. a warm welcome to you will. um, 1st of all, my stuff uh about gucci in ramallah. can you just tell us about how important wales reporting is in now? big speaking world, a wireless. uh, very uh, very close and load them colleague who, who has been doing wonderful work in terms of the general is covering what was happening because all of these is uh, he has covered so many wards that happened to so many or aggressions that happened on guys i personally knew him very well and i happened to be in guys are doing it in 2014 or and during which time. uh we met many times on so

he did wonderful professional job and uh, i think there were 2 icons of i just need a word in uh the occupied territories and, and the door and goes on should be noble awfully in the law. and unfortunately, both of them had this terrible tragedy. city, noble aptly was killed by an early sniper. and the most recent that the national commission reported the very clearly that she was assessing it took for no reason. i buy, i know, is there any sniper, i know the door is losing his pharmacy, his the as a as wife as the son his daughter. it's kind of been tardy. but also it indicates what journalist have to live through in palestine. and let me add that up to this moment. 22, getting a list. and does that have been kind of doing this that have been at apple is right? yeah, suiting the last 20 days 20. 20 jen understand?

tiffany, also remind you that during the last 10 years and this in addition to these $22.00 jet another 50 to other, you'll notice including shipping block. you would also come to buy those that are the automated list of bands and guys. yes. okay, most often. thank you very much, jody varies, perhaps no more dangerous in the well to operate as a journalist than gaza at the moment. what are the challenges you understand the best facing above the ordinary challenges they would face from the reporting from gaza? joining previous conflicts. well, as you've heard, this is the deadliest conflict for gentleness, opposing on this region. at the end, the 30 is that the cpa has documenting this, and in fact, it looks like it's the worst period for john lynch cover and conflict anyway, ever in those 30, he is extremely challenging to cover goals are at the moment, there is no way to go, that's right,

there's nowhere to hide. and and so and yet we are relying on those douglas inside goes us to tell us what's happening and everyone who is a john, this is effectively becoming more full to and that's been the case for many garzon janice and for many years they coping with challenges including lack of electricity, obviously the dangers of repeated strikes and so on and, and all of that while they are in must, and living among friends and family as, as well was the hiring. um, what do you understand developed was that the, from your perspective, the importance of cause of freedom of expression and opinion, what do you understand of the, of the challenges of a journalist trying to do that to in gone so well. first of all that you said freedom of expression is extremely important for particularly in times of conflict, how as we get to use. but in this conflict,

it is indiscriminate. disproportionate attacks against his phone, civilian just of civilians under international humanitarian. though they have no text civilians warned, gotta have no protection from indiscriminate, disproportionate attacks. so what good is your jack press with not going to do? what are your habits going to do that so to speak, to on the ground there, there are no rules that have being followed by bike is red. in this conflict, no rules applicable to civilians are being respected. that is an immense trash. the other people on the grow, but i think for international humanitarian know the entire system of the room. the floor is under pressure here. and you on the list on the front line. all the ones who are showing with the coverage and resilience. how much of blatant disregard for international humanitarian law is taking place in government?

most of what we're trying to look a bit at how generally survival to report from cause are and also the occupied westbank. do you see a way that the do you see a way the palestinians are reported about is a different place to the ways re lease i would reported about. and of course there is a very huge difference. and the especially during this terrible or is it any perspective is present to repeatedly and so many times. and even when it's long lies about what has happened in like that total, misleading and black media information about decapitating children or raping women, which, which many had noticed, had to apologize about reporting like cnn, reporters los angeles times as well. but these lies keep repeating, and unfortunately what i see in many, i'm in the national media outlets is that they do not fall into the portal. it's

what, what is it and is the thing they do not through the portal experience, i think. but on top of that, if you add it and i actually interviewed, i mean that they would have 10 interviews with, with, with the with is there any is, and maybe one location the interview with the city. and then the strange thing is that the broadcast or the one who was running the interview will be and not the only thing again is that any. busy of you, but also the p things i say, i'm rebecca and why he's interviewing governors opinion. and that by itself shows you how, how, how the dispute is the situation unfair and how improper it is. and the problem also is that when did he bought about is it or the situation? it's that he bought think about human beings. a person who tried doing uh, family who has been affected, but then its numbers on the, on the police,

the on site. and that's why the state, the case of uh why is that maybe brings maybe some light on the fact that these 7000 palestinians killed. i'm more of them 3000 children killed out of human beings. the not just the numbers. busy the people who live doesn't work that 5, that is my god, as children as sisters and brothers. and that's exactly what is missing. and then most of the nation and media outlets. it's really, really a lot of discrimination. a lot of i'm acceptable doing the discrimination and um, more of them that in the lives keep coming go to them is the keep repeating them, especially one last point is that they, they tend to blame the victim. blaming the victim. they blame us for being bombarded. they're blaming us for being cook. this is so acceptable. jodie, you generally saw pricing and gaza and also in the occupied westbank as well when

the stuff or is at the moment. do what do you uh, maxime, i can always question, i guess. but what are your main concerns for doing this reporting that is, is also now very dangerous that i'm in the west bank as well, with increased sutler activity. it's incredibly difficult to, to be safe reporting on this area. not only do we have, obviously, the minute to launch has potential ground invasion, but increasingly, john, the less risk when they're going out to report from potentially so. so people who wants to uh, take revenge on just unless, oh, matters for reporting what's happening. we've seen cases of done this, even in israel being pulled out of that cause being harass, being threatened. we've seen targeting of ministry, i'm sorry, of media installations. prevent which would obviously prevent the media from reporting and guessing the news out. so it's not just the minute tray risks that

jet and the space. it's also the threats and harassment from pups ordinary individuals from the police and others. for doing that job's hiring, i wanted to ask you about the challenges all bustling, fake information to fake news if you liked has been a lot of concerns that may just social media groups like met the manage facebook and instagram. i've been heavily censoring palestinian content in arabic can compared to how they do with content in the hebrew there is this need for freedom of information. how do you balance those 2 needs? it was supposed to go. there is the entry access or journalist to go to the west bank back and if so, i think is one way in which he uses being sense that they're only some sources that can, can work there. or showing this don't have access. uh, certainty might have received another because of that,

of social media that phones are taking down post. in the case of mecca, there was already a adjustment or a decision by tone oversight board about distortion. if you're move or found this thing in post metric games that it has to but not improve its content at policies, motivation policies. but of course, some things are still coming in and it's very hard to judge what is actually happening because all the social media platforms, as you know, have very, to take ways of managing content. why don't we default so no. is the states a number of european states, for example, have tried to stop protest procurement by the state in protest have tried to remove, for example, posting in class when, when demonstrate design using data type of censorship is of course not simple under international law on the ground i can just only just imagine terrible must be such

on and this was due to resulting for someone like was to try to do that. he has fixed very rarely has there been such a demand on the cards for this evening's agendas from the ground. but seeing and free access to media should be a fundamental requirement in a situation like this because that's the way from diverse so that you guys would be able to make out what is propaganda. and what is that at the moment? that is not the last place, right? there is a blockade. no justin civilians not just a mandatory date. also access, jody. yes. you for us to comment on that. we need to come in on that to, to echo that point because of the quantity of missing this information we are seeing. that's why it survived so that we have of true reality of media covering this conflict is why we're particularly concerned that the committee to protect done is by threats to, for example, sensor to 0. it is really important. and this moment in time where people have

finding it very difficult to know what to believe that you have a to rather to you of media able to report what is happening. even in the face of unimaginable threats and pressure. and jody, i wanted to ask you as well about joe and list operating in israel. somebody's railey june list have not been able to question the actions of back country because of the atmosphere that it is right of your either for us or against the what, what are you hearing about that? we're having similar concerns that people have been interested in for asking questions. that's the job of done. and this and journalism is to hold power to accounts to us difficult questions. it's perfectly possible to do that and remain patio tech remain a citizen, a real country. um and you should not be so rest and or prevented from doing so

either by the government or officials or by the mold myself. how can i ask you just so many interviews with for media or many don't speak to until as conflict in the palestinian territories. what. what are the sort of biggest challenges you face in the ignorance you sometimes come across with degeneracy. riley speak to. well, as you said, we never looked at them the never interviewed unless something is happening. so isn't it? and i mean uh before this whole order started for the 8 months we've lost in uh, west bank 248th brothers pinions including for the children. one of them was only 2 and a half years old. we had set, let us bending houses, the less been in good cars attacking communities. no, none of these for the and yet know this, but he had or even practice really to, to, to do part about that. very few, if any and but that's one example, one son is that our lives had, or once something happens to is that. and then everybody's here that there's the 2

extra unfortunately. but i want to add something about the silence of silence because they didn't understand those things to people. and before this effect started, we, we know that there was an act of intellectual internal being practiced by different and scientist organizations. i'm sorry, i missed a lot of these in different countries of the world. the best example of that is gemini, about to try to say something, i mean, immediately attacked by this lobby, forcing people to design from their jobs, threatening them, etc. but it's now gotten much worse. i think the basic approach of i need your notice to explanation any who doesn't belong to either side is to be balanced and the approach. and we've just had in the process of which something that is taking place. i give this, not anybody but the secretary general of the united nations. good. that ish. who is just there to say that there is this have didn't happen that

a back your mind did is ok patients, america, the united states as much good as occupation of the united states as much that upsetting us about because he said that now that a witch hunting him and the foot in the minister of visitors in the united nations had the god yes to say that's what i'm now on. there is no place for balance positions. he's saying, and that's only a fascist, would say that either you are on our side completely or do you are on a oh your auto and it'd be. so i'm gonna have to cancel that. let me mention very quickly, a few things. first of all, just notice that i'm not allowed to do guys or no, no, no, to out of it out of there, but yeah, and the list out, enjoy those and then they will not let them go together except of the outer behind there is that and the ottoman and this data failure, what the automated spinning the 2nd, the now i just didn't go a journalist and the bank, people who have been met. even people who have been interviewed just going in

theaters then i noticed it because they had expressing their views. and then i think, i think the stuff that i do, it was very clear to him. he, when he thought that the killing of his family was an act of revenge because of what he has been doing, honestly to report to what's happening. going garza okay. um, i mean polarized media environment is not unique to israel, of course, but there's a level of conflict intensifies. it doesn't, it you does. and that is why i want to re emphasize the importance of human rights, human rights and universal obligations, state stockholders women, right? as far so i universe, so there is a right to media freedom independent, free to run a diverse media. and that has been denied. that has been our run rough uh, by uh, these really authorities and others at the moment. uh, some of the things that which i think is a very, very dangerous uh, president that has been created here and has been over the years. i need that

attention to define this thing. and problem of the patient, you brain wiped out all the context and not both. there's a lot of attention actually the least. and i hope that this is not going to be a transiency. it has to be solved. there's a deep root causes of this conflict that continue and the victims of that are the civilians. and because that's a people living in the west bank, this problem has to be solved. otherwise, i think the international community is only creating more problems for the future. and joe, to kind of ask you about that as well as the challenges of reporting and such and such a polarized media or environment. this is something, unfortunately, we say, internationally, it's particularly acute in this conflict. it's an environment in which people, uh, highly personalized are highly personalized attacks. so in addition to all of the

physical attacks that people receives as honey pacifies, the tax for those covering the conflict safe from outside garza on the west bank. and it's really important, and i, and i want to emphasize this, that the job done message is to go out and report the files. what they say outside we always talk about, you know, a job is not to, to take 2 views about whether it's raining is to go outside and tell you whether it's raining or not. i'm not really important. it's really important that we recognize that the jove of john and this is to report the fact that people should not be targeted either physically online, harassed or receive any of the mistreatment for doing that. job's a most stuff, a very quickly. the last last question to you, but how challenging is doing palestinian diplomacy at the moment? how difficult is it to get the palestinian voice to start difficult about there's

nothing possible and nothing good. this green us we will keep doing whatever we can . we'll keep trying to figure out that the, this black forest of misleading information on separate occasions, to bring that to lights, to the people, to bring the tools to the people. and i own was said to my colleagues, you need on the to do 110. so for those that are is due because the truth is on our side and i think we should not save any moment without trying to do that because this is what could protect the lives of people who are being cut now around the clock. when 5, when every 5 minutes of understanding and is, could've done every 10 minutes up on a student to try and lose his life. all right, folks, we're out of time, but thank you very much for your contributions. thanks to i guess, to jody ginsburg, the stuff about gucci and irene. com. and thank you to for watching. you can see the problem again. any time by visiting our website. i'll dra 0, don't com. on the further discussion, go to a facebook page, not facebook dot com,

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