follow this up and running is across the middle east and supports of the palestinians in yemen. thousands gathered in the northern marriage under the capital, son of condemning israel ongoing one garza. i'm a king of thousands of facilities and in jordan crowds of rallied in the capital and many awaiting palestinian flags and denouncing as well as a tax on gods in london protest as gathered outside the office of the u. k. foreign secretary, calling for the protection of children in gosh, hold on 3000 honest and in children have been killed in his reading strikes since october the 7th. i'll just bear with me bach. i was that on demonstrators outside the front office in london. touching show solas ascii, outside of foreign office team in london, living in a sense of side of the times, the west bank face of the western government followed by west. the government continues to offer its unequivocal support for his route, but nevertheless public opinion is by suddenly shifting. a legal opinion is also

moving. 250 of the country's leading lawyers were talking, bab, incredibly, senior kings counselors or senior judges are tabled an open letter to the government. and what is the time to amount to legal advice whether the government wants it or not, and they're not legit advise these 3 things. firstly, unconditional c 4, as opposed to humanitarian pause that the british government ends the sale of weapons to answer. i live. thirdly, the government avoids running the risk of reaching the geneva convention eating and replacing a government that in the law is opinion, is openly breaks, show a global humanitarian. what is clear is a bunch of invest in, you know, who government needs the moral military support of the west for the space for testers than others opposed to across the country in and things. and with images of the daily trauma income, where there is a whitening go between whatever benjamin that's at yahoo is going to 3 objectives

on the behalf of the willingness of what's the government's to support the bulk of ultra 0 funding and hundreds of active as of state just city in that new york's grand central train station, the jewish voice of peace has told him for an immediate cease fire in gaza at an end to what that according to him in genocide of palestinians, the group sold coding for the american government to de escalate the situation and to stop sending weapons to israel. well that's it for me. dire in jordan for now don't forget, you can find much me on using the website to 0 dot com. but i'll be back at the top of the uh, with much more ongoing coverage of israel is more on gaza coming up next is upfront . stay with us here on the desktop, advisors and 1000. so it is place we report every angle of these where you go wrong

god. and we have just witness live. what it is really airway looks like innocent people have lots to live, plug day is reluctant to me. they need there's no guarantee that they can come back to the hospital and has just been has the were cutting to the live pictures of the us presidential by i've not known a presidential trip like this one at the roof of crossing. we just heard that is being constantly following while few minutes here tonight is why seem to come in state without a 0 for the latest updates and global reaction as the world gaza interest. it's 4th week. we look at the battle for public opinion and discussing whether there is a double standard when it comes to free speech and israel and palestine that's coming up with 1st. there's been a long history of solidarity between palestinians and black americans. these last few weeks had been no exception to what's behind this common recognition of a shared struggle in what similarities are there in the system that will press

palestinians. and black americans will ask, and i kind of figured out the black liberation movement in the united states is weeks headliner. author inactive is angela day, the angela davis. thank you so much for joining me on upfront. thank you more in the midst of israel's relentless attack on guys. the numerous like active as in the us have expressed their solidarity with palestinians. and they've called once again for an end to the occupation, back in 2020 and guys. a city in the midst of black lives matter. protests of palestinian artist painted a large mural of george floyd the african american man of course, who had recently been murdered by a police officer in minneapolis. these 2 places are more than 6000 miles away from each other. yet palestinians and black americans have found a common cause with each other struggles. how does a moment like that? how did these moments come to be? well,

oh no more for is about as long as my political memory goes back. i think the causes of palestine and black liberation have been intertwined. i just can't imagine that those of us who call also the scholar active as i can imagine. i'm not calling for justice for palestine. i can't imagine the whole agenda of social justice in the world not including palestine in this respect. i think i as a black people in the, the west and throughout so the of the, the, the, the region of the west of the south. she should feel a very special try to palestinians of course is there is

a long history up. but i know, i think back to june, jordan, the incredible poet, when very few people were talking about the importance of supporting palestine. june was upfront, arguing that it was not only necessary to support people in palestine, but to recognize that, that the palestine itself is a kind of um, moral lip. this test for the world. yeah. voice nelson mandela said that south africa would not be free as to how stock is free. so post on the occupies a very central place in the political imagination of the last of 5075 years. a lot of people when they hear the word solidarity,

they think sameness of what the conditions between black folk and palestinians, the conditions are different in certain ways. how much of the solidarity movement hinges on us having the exact same oppressive conditions and how much of it is about the broad assistance of power that put us where we are? how are we in it? because i think a lot of people say, well, i'm my life isn't like a palestinian of housing who i don't have to deal with those things over there. how do you, how do you see that out of those who assume that they live in a very small us insulated space in the world. uh, uh, are, are just not recognizing conditions as they are today. uh, uh, we do not live in silos. uh, we do not have a little bubbles in which we get to choose. what affects us. uh, uh, as, as, as, as individuals. uh uh, you know, i think that the,

so what is really exciting about this last period as much suffering as we have witness of experience though, is that we've seen a match against racism. it's bad. do we would not as a matter of so many people identify the width of, of these anti races efforts. and now of course, you were saying, you know what we're seeing. those were reacting against. it's uh, uh and you know, those who don't want to see us move, move forward in our understanding of the way in which racism in the us is very much connected to apartheid in south africa, which is very much connected to our gate and, and in israel so yeah, this, this is a question that can't be answered abstractly. i think it's a, it's

a question of the, the has to play out in the course of, of the practice of some of that. one of the things is come up in that practice. it's out there, it is. conversations about the role of policing as well for years have been exchange programs that bring together police ice, border control f b. i often the united states, along with the soldiers police, and border ages, from israel to share tactics on, quote unquote counter terrorism of both of us and israel been accused of as of policing of racial profiling. and they continue to sort of deepen their ties toward developing a kind of shared security model. when you see those relationships, what can we learn from that? well, those relationships that link the militarization of the police and the us and other countries to of the, the leadership of, of, of,

of israel, of the, the i d f. and which is train police forces all over the country. yeah. it, it, it, it becomes clear. i think that the, all these issues intertwined. you know, let's remember that a cop city is developing in atlanta and precisely at a time when, when, when the police were on the, on the defensive, as a consequence of the struggles that were catalyzed by of the mention of george fluoride. uh um. the police were on the defensive uh for a little while, but now it appears as if they're trying to not only re gain the position they have before but, but, but, but move forward and you're only them, you know, it's a, i was just thinking it's, it's not just governments either, right,

and in private and these are also involved in these kinds of exchanges. for example, we've seen the export of security and technology from private is rarely companies that supply some of israel's military equipment, surveillance equipment. but things like the separation wall between israel and the west bank. uh, the same companies are working with the us to provide technology for things like bolstering surveillance and militarization along the us mexico border. when we see private corporations benefiting from oppression even to the discourse and language of security, that has the company that complicates the analysis a little bit doesn't as well. i think that should probably be at the center of the analysis of, you know, because we, we often don't explicitly talk about all capitalism and the reasons why the ties the political ties between the us and israel, for example, are so strong of what does that have to do with the development of global

capitalism over the last decades. and, you know, what does the prison industrial complex have to do with? so showing up the capital system that's often times the ellison in the room. that's all the times that about which we do not speak, but it is central. it is absolutely central. and you have a very grand radical uh, freedom dream for dismantling capitalism, for abolishing policing and prisons and for ending the occupation of palestine. i mean, these are not short term goals, these are not easy solutions that we're looking for here. and in all of those areas, we see progress. and then we see retrenchment with these 2 steps forward. and then we see steps back. sometimes one, sometimes 3 different where we are right now on the course, the visual in palestine. you remain hopeful, you know, i don't think that i get to decide on the basis. of

course it won't, but suddenly feel it, it, it's dreamily distressed. and this is, you know, one of the tragic moments in our recent history. but i also should say that it takes time specifics time. so sometimes we are unable to see where we're headed. but we have to believe that it is possible to make change and we can't give up. we can't get lovely cat, not hope. because o is the condition of all struggles. we'll leave it there. angela davis, thank you so much for joining me in upfront. thank you so much mark again. israel's means of guys, it continues

a babble is playing out in the realm of public opinion while demonstrations have taken place across the globe and solidarity with palestinians. there have also been campaigns to silence critics of israel's actions. commentators academics and even common citizens have reported an increase in threats and retaliation for expressing their views or voice and solidarity with the palestinian people. often in countries that proclaim to uphold values of freedom, of expression and democracy. so who decides what the limits of free speech are and are the double standards when it comes to palestine? do you want me to discuss this from chicago? is the mentality she is founder and director of palestine legal and from heifer is eli and prepare. he is author of numerous books on the issue of israel and palestine, including the biggest prison on earth, a history of the occupied territories. he's also a professor of history at the university of exit, or i wanna thank you both for joining me a lot. i'm going to start with you. at the moment pro power spend protests are being suppressed in a number of countries across europe,

austria and germany. they black protests in france. we seem pro palestine demonstrations of only now being allowed on a case by case basis when they 1st there was a total ban on them. how do these nations that are they justify this kind of crack down of free speech? and i think that the dots be funded by accepting that i don't look for too long. these really not to go to the this is doris sizing, the event of the sentence of october because of july thing. namely, as if what happened on the 7th of october, i totally absorbs as well from all the criminal policies and the boss, and gives a free license for criminal policies now, in the prison and a subsidy is, i think them humanize by visa, rick got kind of framing any support to the other thing is support photo and so on . and i'm, i'm quite confident that this would not hold water for too long. we're already

seeing some of it being kind of a funnel, the scene changes, but uh, on an old you know, double double talk about palestine in the poker. see about palestine, ballistic people who work progressive on anything but of palestine is building new things. in fact, the, some of the gilbert hasn't changed anything from the mental in the way it is rarely is covered. the see don't even realize that in the ways that they weren't immunize is an interesting one, d, m a. and an important one, because even the last point, if these large western nation states have accepted the as rarely narrative and they the historic sized october 7th that explains their political position. but what it doesn't explain is why they're stopping people from having a different political position. why they, why they stop people from disagree. i mean, the point of free speech is not to be able to articulate your point of view when it goes along with the state narrative. the whole point of these protections

expensively is to protect you when it does it. so how does act? i can these democratic nations justify this kind of behaviors and so clearly anti democratic as it is anti democratic and i think it is signaling a really quick descent into fascism that we're seeing around the globe in the united states. there are very strong 1st amendment protections, much stronger than in europe. and, and yet even here we are seeing a crack down on a descent on palestine bursting across the board. not only government action to surveil and investigate activists for posting in rights, but, but also in the private sector. a purging, a very mccarty is type of purging of any support for palestinian rights, even as people are mobilizing right now to stop what international experts have

called an unfolding genocide. and, and this is so dangerous and certainly hypocritical, i think, you know, the united states and european nations have no more authority right now, as they are, you know, shutting down this critical conversation. and these critical protests that are a challenging what our governments are allowing to happen. and we've seen a very real and concerning rise and anti semitism since october 7th, which of course should be addressed and taken very seriously. and yet the governments are responding with these types of bands. is this the west, the attempt to make amends for centuries of anti semitism? yes, monkey there isn't. and i think that's what i meant. but the service that looked over as domestic and tragic and that there is a is, there's no change, the fundamental issues that relate to that. the issue of father starts the whole

design. this project was the park and the time to deal with that this time it isn't renewal at the expense of, of the palestinians. he became even more engine project of, of guilt if you want, after the whole look. and everything was a very easy way. in fact, of no timing of corrosion with all the costing, you know, if excel over the racism in america, for instance, by solving this issue, by giving this a license to pull her life, palestine and be able to, jo states, all the rulings of bond this time this is something that was very before the service of october to just, you know, it comes back to us in this particular issue of how it's being covered today. and how on the 7th isn't again in the manipulators by using a weaponized brother by his reading the needs of both as you know, the to suppress and silence criticism of the policy even if the criticism is not

directed against extra general side of policies on the grounds, a good example, what you're talking about a law and just happen is really invested into the un glad. and that has called for the bodies secretary general antonio gutierrez's resignation. and even a cubism of blood libel, after he said that the mass attack was har. fineman justified, but quote did not occur in a vacuum. israel has also said that it will band you in representatives from visiting the country to quote, teach them a less than the much. were you surprised that this reaction as well? it's what a lot of saying and you know, it is an attempt to it completely, the historic size. what is going on. it is an attempt to immunize to shield israel from any criticism or accountability. and, you know, the israel has been on a path to deal legitimize the united nations to undermine all institutions that try to uphold international law. because it is in fundamental and

flagrant violation of international law. and the only way that it can avoid that is, is by undermining the entire system. and this is the danger and, and the european nations and the united states are following and not tough of completely undermining any uh, any protections that we have in the international community. against these agree just violations of international law that were ironically put in place a post world war to, to prevent what happened in europe and to, to dues and other minorities from happening again. and it's also about, again erasing palestinians and palestinian history and experience from, from this conversation. many people are experiencing very real troubles, legal troubles they're, they're coming under attack, etc. in the organization,

palestine legal, a works to protect the people's rights. but at least here in united states, what kind of cases are you seeing now from people who have been offering critiques or protests of, of, of what's happening in israel palestine to mark we've seen an exponential increase and requests for legal health in the last 2 weeks. almost as many as we saw in all of of last year. and so the attack is wide spread and it's far reaching a lot of what we're seeing are employment consequences for people who post something or speak out in their workplace is or share their opinion on what's going on. and a number of dozens of incidents, of people being fired or investigated by their employers. students in particular are being severely docs and harassed and even targeted by their own universities

for their advocacy and their activism in their protests right now. and this is not new. we have been documenting over the last decade that post on legal has existed palestine exception to free speech and these exact same tactics, but it is being escalated at an exponential rate. you are, you are a, an imminent scholar and you're also known as one of the new historians. those as really, scholars who have questioned the official is really narrative of the states creation . arguing that in your words, events were, quote, much closer to the palestinian historical narrative, then to the zionist one. you've questioned design his project, which many people believe is anti semitic. as such. looking at those who now claim that expressing solid there with palestinians after october, 7th is fundamentally anti jewish. i can't help but draw a little bit of a parallel here. how are we still in

a place where boys seeing any kind of support for palestinians is deemed anti semitic, or any critique of israel is anti semitic? were i think a lot of good friends who were talking about, i think in for one can be fine in the civil society. if i compare it to the 1980s, for instance, i think there is a deeper remote, the fall and understanding of the difference between 2 days and zionism. and that for the difference between um design is an anti semitism. i think one of the challenges we have, those of us who are being effect either, either as you can see, my feeling my case is a self i thing do what one of the problem is we have that we cannot answer these challenges. we solve, but we need, we need, we need space to explain because we have facing and project the propagandized, publication, and immunization that also went on is ation of under the segment. there's a note that began many, many years ago and is supported by state to so we cannot challenges with sound

bites. and i think that's like takes time to make headway into the public domain and to the political discourse. but we should insist on this, i guess the question for me is how you know, do i agree with everything you've just said? there's no space for nuance of the public opinion is very polarized at the moment. and a lot of it is because people are speaking in sound bites. there's no room to have a complicated conversation here. how do we close that gap? how do we have the new ones as well? mark, i think, you know, well, this is a narrative battle as, as much as it is a, a political one. we are talking about a settler colonial state that has dispossessed a people of their homeland. and that has tried to replace it with another population. and that is the fundamental re, a truth that we have to go back to. you know, when we're talking about a,

a states actions. and this is a state that describes itself itself as jewish that claims jewish supremacy as a, as it's, it's foundation. and that is what we have to be talking about. this is an exclusive list, a no nationalist state that is a founded on the eradication expulsion ethnic cleansing of another people. and if we can't a oppose and criticize the state. and if we are allowing our elected officials to pass legislation that, that defines anti semitism as a, you know, for any criticism of israel, which is what's happening right now across the, across the globe. and this, this debate and this nuance kat happen. you learn, how do we close the gap?

how do we create space for this story sizing this, this struggle? i think that we, we should be in cisco or having the conversation on our terms a, instead of sitting in, in studios or whatever. we are tech and apologizing or defending ourselves by saying no, we're not on to see my or and we should just be patient and build our ad campaign because it is built on tools or rehab allies in, in the global south. we have allies in the global nose. we can build the campaign because it's so upset and it's such a funny gate. it's a new zation allegation. very true, not hold water. even if it's billed at the enabled institutions, we're going to rid of people and so on. this is a formal braces and to talk to, you know, to, to use you are being a racist by being and on things are in this agreement with a southern israel. it means that the o. r. a victim of races yourself. and that's

a way to be both good to my, my laptop, a the mentality. thank you both so much for joining an upfront. that is our show upfront. we'll be back next to the from intimate moments to major social changes from man's impact on the planet to the impact of mine on himself that he has with depression. and it's really i to give yourself a lot of the witness award winning films from around to out to 0. i mean the

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