tv The Bottom Line Al Jazeera October 29, 2023 2:30am-3:01am AST
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so we have so such to the past 15 z is this government is not safe anymore. even a 2nd. at some point, violence interrupted between opposition, supporters and police in different parts of the demonstration in the capital t got it policeman and opposition activists were killed and hundreds of how those were injured, including several journalists, thousands of opposition. party members were also interested across the country. we couldn't even grasp what was happening. all of a sudden we came to the rally like many other members and they started arresting us for no reason. the main opposition bangladesh, a nationalist party has called for countrywide, down to the general strike on 29 october in protest against what they say is a police track down. 2 security has been tightened all across the country and in the capital cost tension limits. opposite the class between opposition, members and police security forces often accuse demonstrators of attacking them
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1st. but rights groups say that many videos and wait and this account show the protestors are often harassed and bitten by the police, pressed and often with the support of ruling party supporters. i don't think so. what is the account for the people on the line in order to the government party are really also held riley's across the country, but it's one drive of again, staging on authorized demonstrations. we will see who takes show to where and then which area without permission, you expect to drive these an item the at least you will not have any escape routes . we want to be clear on this with the travel economy and storing cost of living bangladesh. now faces the additional challenge of growing unrest and calls for the change of government and of general elections in january. so i'm be charging you all just said our doc. the former us vice president mike pens has ended his 2024
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presidential bid. he was far behind in the polls. for my boss, donald trump, has a large lead of all his challenges in the race to for next year's republican party nomination for president pennsaid, united trump, loyalist, by fusing his demands to reject. joe biden. is the window of the 2020 and collection south africa have won the rugby world cup for the full time off between you zealand and the final in paris. that a lot of celebrations in cape town following the spring box 1211 victory against the old that we make south africa the most successful team in the tournaments district or well, that's it from the diamond jordan. so now i'll be back at the top of the i with more about i'm going coverage of the war on the gaza. coming up next is the bottom line. state your thoughts so much? the
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hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. are the wars we see today from gaza to ukraine, a sign of decline of american influence and power in the world? let's get to the bottom line. the more than 7000 palestinians have been killed by non stop is really bombing since the shock in our attack from us on october 7th. what about 1400 is really, is, were killed and about 200 others were taken hostage. the united nations has been
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warning about a huge humanitarian catastrophe, with millions of people innocent in this conflict, living under constant showing with no food, electricity, water, medicine, or fuel to keep the hospitals and ambulances running. but the un, which is lost about 30 of its own staff and gaza, has so far been ineffective. us president joe biden says he won't call for a cease fire or otherwise interfere in his really military plans. even us peers mount for a wider conflict in the region and in eastern europe, the ukraine, russian conflict, brian's on also with no end in sight. so what are today's region conflicts telling us about shifting global power? is america still a nation whose positions matter to the rest of the world? or is it leaving a power vacuum that's being filled by other forces? today we're talking with charles captain, a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations professor of international affairs at georgetown university and author of the end of the american era, u. s. foreign policy and the geo politics of the 21st century. doctor corruption,
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thank you so much for joining us. this is a world and places in the world where american power used to matter. and i've just been reading your book again and wondering whether the contraction of america in the world is somehow creating these conditions. you know, i think there are 2 big develop and steve that are making world of fuel policy terms, making the world feel like it's going upside down. one of them i think we saw coming and that is the diffusion of power, right? we used to live in a world dominated by the united states and its democratic partners that representatives a 75 percent of global g d p. and we're now heading into the world in which power will be the center, in which the number one power in the world within a decade or so will probably be china,
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india and may be number 2 in. the news is climbing the ranks. brazil getting stronger and stronger and this is just leading to the return of rivalries that come with multiple centers of power. the, everything that's happened and i think it, many of us did not see it coming. is the weakening of the liberal anchor of the global system. and in particular, with the political weakening that we've seen here in the united states with the political center in the united states. hollowing out with a liberal, populism on raw, in rise, and both sides of the atlantic. and this, in some ways hampers the ability of united states and its partners to anchor. this is an advocate of all turn, this moment in which there is an inflection, wind, a shit, in the distribution of power to a much more novelty power, what you can call a poly centric world. so have these 2 things are combining to create
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a real sense of disorientation to within the is real, how mos conflict. now, president joe biden has refused to call for a ceasefire, refused to say he's going to intervene in any way and what the israelis are doing. we've also refused to call for a ceasefire in the ukraine, russia conflict, and i like americans to have a realistic sense of how that's perceived around the world and that there are other major powers. and i'll, you know, mentioned turkey and heir to one see the world differently. and are we in a situation where america is lost, the ability to be the great hedge, a monic benign power. and now other nations in the world are organizing against it . as it picks one side of the other in these complex you know, i probably distinguish carefully between the war and crane and what's happening in, in israel, in the, we're a,
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the israel is in the middle of carrying out against some us in ukraine. i think what we've seen is a situation in which ukraine is suffering a ball act of aggression by russia and in which the united states and its allies have agreed to help your brain, but don't have boots on the ground. in the end of the day, the u. s. has said this is ukraine's more a brand names are fine. i think a dining ukraine makes the final call about what it's more ends are. and if the premiums want to keep fighting and try to get back from me and try to get back every inch or maybe in territory, that's very right. but i do say that much of the global south is not taking decided, despite the fact that this is a ball active progression. and i think that is in many respects, a consequence of a world in which many immersion powers are hatching in which china is now the
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lender of 1st resort and much of the global. so in which 2 thirds of the countries of the world trade war with china, that makes it with the united states. and so the country like india, like south africa, nigeria, brazil, indonesia. they don't want to take sides in what looks like a new era of east west rivalry. and as a consequence, they're sitting on the fence even though i think this is a war that is very clearly a word of aggression against ukraine in which countries, at least ethically and morally, should band together against russia. in the case of israel war with a boss, i think it's, it's more complicated in the sense that the israel palestine conflict is one in which there are doing verging opinions about
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morality, about ethics, about legality, about human real writes. that have divided the united states and many other parts of the world for quite a long time. and i think that's what we're seeing play out here. i think given the nature of the atrocities that come off, carried out on october 7th, israel is seen as having a right to defend himself and having the right to respond with force. how is conflict, ways out, however, we're have a big impact on how the rest of the world reacts whether civilian casualties are next to a minimum, whether 80 flows in to goss in the form of fuel medicine, food whether we see in an effort to arrive at some sort of reasonable piece process at the end of the conflict. right now we're in the middle of it, it's proving to be a very divisive, bloody tragic event. from your experience do you think is real?
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can go through the steps it wants to do right now in destroying hamas in the way of doing it and not have this conflict grow so far more significant in terms of numbers and scale. well, i think the president biden has got more or less writing and walk to fine line in the sense of supporting israel, going to israel and the middle of the conflict providing military assistance to israel. but at the same time being very explicit and saying don't be blinded by rage dos, make the same mistakes the united states did after 911 where we intervene in the, in afghanistan, and iraq and libya and syria. and in many respects, produced much more chaos. then stability, and i think it's
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a wise warning to israel because is read only is headed into a densely populated urban environment. under the best of circumstances, there will be significant casualties on both sides. the united states learn the hard way in the rock that military force is good at destroying things, but not very good at creating desire political outcomes. so i think that israel right now is trying to figure out how to balance its desire justified in my mind. to dismantle a boss with the reality that it's going to be a top floor and it has to play the long game and figure out what gaza will look like afterward. what is the relationship with colleagues spinning is and the broader middle east will be like when the dust settles. we have long you right now as you and i are talking in washington, the foreign minister of china. he said he believes that israel's actions have now
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gone beyond the level of self defense in response. but is he, as you just said, essentially making a play to the global south. and again, taking advantage of this moment to maximize china's position of looking like the good player in the world. you know, i think china is that is somewhat ambivalent about the war and the brain. and now the word that we see in the middle east, in the sense that the chinese have risen to a city to become a significant player on the back of g o, political and g o e phenomena stability. and even though they've signing with food and supporter at least nominal way rushes war against ukraine, i'm not sure that they seen this as a net gain for china. and that's again because this is leading to global fragmentation, it is leading to economic the coupling. and as intensifying,
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try this rivalry with the united states and the west. but i think you're right steve, that what china is doing here is in some ways attempting to stay out of these conflicts. yeah. at the same time, explain them to increase its standing in the global sat to play the role that contributed standing up to western in gemini, and in some ways i think it's, it's be responsible in doing so because it is a thing in a bad thing. rushes aggression against ukraine and rather than trying to play a more constructive role in the middle east, where there is helping to negotiate the release of hostages. figuring out how to limit damage, getting the manager and assistance into gaza is how thank you, in some ways exploit the issue to try to raise its profile in the global south.
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and in some ways, i think as a consequence, its position is going to further inflame the tensions that we see out there between the west, the united states. on the one hand, china on the other are truly i want to play a sound clip for you from secretary of state, tony blinking. let's listen. keep water, electricity. for children, for the elderly, for the sick. these are president pollutants, new targets. he's heading them hard. this brutalization of ukraine's people is barbaric. so i'm just sort of interested in one the hypocrisy of the moment, you know, talking about the same device as being used to turn something off and are not being able to talk about with regard to israel. and then trying to help the other side. why the response has been so pathetically small?
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well, you know, i think that the united states has made clear from the beginning that it has not. it is best to get the border crossing to egypt open to get a flowing has been discussing with israel howard prosecute to this war. as we were speaking about a few minutes ago, mr. biden said very clearly, don't mistake the same. don't make the same mistakes. we did don't be blinded by rage. so i think this is a, a work in progress. but given that the, the attacks on october 7 were over the top were atrocities. now you have women and children, grandmothers kidnapped, being held hostage in gaza. i think one can understand to some extent, israel's rage and israel's response. but i do think that there is a middle ground here. and that involves
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a careful but strong military operation against a mosque leadership against a mazda fighters against the tunnels. the weapons depos width at the same time, efforts to protect civilians to get little fuel water medicine into gaza. so as to diminish and minimize the humanitarian emergency, there is an average employee on the phone when her boss decides to use its own power. spivey and brethren as human shields. i guess my question to you is about the tyranny of a nurture and invested interest that build up the don't want to see progress on these, you know, fragile geostrategic hot points. is that part of the game? we have to accept it. we're always going to have certain nodes in the world, the continually erupt like this as well, you know, i, as my friend and colleague richard hosp squared a few days ago in the middle east,
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things get worse before they get worse. and i think the message here is trying to build peace in the region, trying to get rock row small between longstanding adversaries. it is very difficult business. i take my hat off to president obama for trying to reset their relationship with russia for attempting to decrease the animosity with places like iran and cuba. and he did, to some extent succeeded to some extent he didn't succeed. but i do say we have to keep truck and steve, we know from history, that peace does break out. right? the french and the germans were killing each other for centuries. and you now drive from france to germany, and you see no border crossings. the united states has
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a relationship with its neighbors, in which the prospect of war is on thinkable, not in the realm of the possible pockets of peace do whatever. and so i think when it comes to the relationship between israelis and palestinians, when it comes to the relationship of the united states and china, we have to keep trying to push things in a positive direction. we know from history, the default position in international politics is competition is rivalry. in some cases is our driver. but we also know from history we met when you work hard enough. you can overcome. that is an admirable, a feeling that things are slipping away. this is one of those moments doesn't historical inflection points. we are. i think we could go either way. we could see
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the 21st century slip to were geopolitical competition, d globalization of liberal populism. where we could look at the moment that we're in now and push the candle in back in the right direction. at this point, i think it's too soon to tell which way we're going to be here. present in biden's national security advisor jake sullivan. just publish the $7000.00 word article in foreign affairs and it's focusing on the future of the world in america's place in it. one of the lines of, of many uh, is that the world is becoming more contested in the united states. cannot talk only with those who share its vision or values. and it made me wonder whether or not as you sort of look at what jake sullivan is trying to communicate, is the same moment of realism, where america is finally beginning to understand the limits of its power and capabilities. that isn't, in fact, going to begin talking with other players with, with which it may not get along the way because i haven't seen that as part of the
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of the biden ministrations direction. certainly not the trump administration, but wonder whether you think the limits on american power are finally beginning to shape the way we think about what we can do in the world. well, you know, i would start by quoting the 1st sentence in, in jake's very interesting article, that 1st sentence was not thinking international politics is inevitable. and i would take issue with that analysis because i think some things are inevitable. number one, change in the distribution of power, right? we go back to the 1700 and we saw how early world sheer from the east to the west. and europe in north america together, had been at the top of the heat leading the path for quite some time. we now see our beginning to shift from west to east and from work this out. that's going to make the world more difficult or unpredictable more on certain the united states is
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not going to be able to call the shots in the same way that it used to. we're going to have to get used to a multi polar world. we're gonna have to get used to pearl isn't an ideological diversity because that's the world that we're headed toward. that seems to need to be inevitable. that haven't been said. i would agree with j that there's a lot of room for tainting that world and channeling a more di, centered world in a positive direction. but it will take working across the field with the ideological dividing lines. we now live, steve and the world. it is work in a dependent and global life than ever before. many of the challenges that we need to face. oh, both as a country and as international citizens require broad based global cooperation. and
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that means working with countries with whom we may not share the same principles on the same values. i think the 5 administrative sion got off to a more ideal logic and start event was probably advisable. democracy versus autocracy with us or against us. now i think it's realize that it needs a more pragmatic a more practical approach. but i do think that behind the scenes, the united states has been reaching out to china. we've seen a steady set of efforts for a cabinet officials to head to china. jake sullivan has twice and the recent past met with the chinese leadership. i think there's a sense that we don't want to go down the rabbit full of a new cold war. let's see if we can't find ways of working with the chinese to meet
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global challenges, even if we may disagree with them about human rights, about democracy, and even about 2 of little issues in these days. let me just ask you finally in political science, we learned about predicting foreign policy, the continuity typically of policies from one administration to the next administration, regardless of political party. but it seems like that world is gone. and particularly when you look at a country like a ron, and if you're basically gonna say in your calculation that we should sit down and talk to a ron, we've had a zigzag and those policies do you think as you look at the fuel situation in america, right now, which is part of that topsy turvy dimension that you started with at the beginning . do you suspect that we're not going to have continuity in american foreign policy any longer that we're going to continue to see zigzags, and instability. and the way we approach and engage the world, you will see, you know, that this zigzag yet, and a rabbit state crap that you're referring to is a, if you go back to the code,
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we're really beginning with f d r. 1941. pearl harbor, democrats and republicans came together and there was a role are ideologically sensors, bi partisan compact, that student behind a study brand of american statecraft. those days are gone. mainly because we've seen the hollowing out of the political center in the united states. and as a consequence, when power changes hands, washington from democrats, republicans, you get wild swings in foreign policy. i think that it is likely to continue depending upon who wins the next election. simply because there is a fundamental ideological cleavage along partisan lines about america's role in the world. for me, i think the key here is rebuilding the american political center from the ground.
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strengths in the united states starts at home. and i think the key to our future, both our domestic future and our ability to play a purposeful and effective international role is rebuilding bipartisanship. rebuild the consensus that is going to take, getting marick and working americans back up. um your fee will have to end if they are georgetown university professor charles compton, senior fellow at the council on foreign relations. thank you so much for joining us today. steve. it's been my pleasure to join. so what's the bottom line beneath all this analysis, global strategy and us support for israel and ukraine, and russia testing the west and the role of non state actors beneath all of that are real people and real families. one of our colleagues here at alex's here of the bureau chief and gods have just lost 4 members of his family after and his really airstrikes hit. what is really official said was terrorist infrastructure?
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wild goose family had already fled more than gaza, as he is rarely said, warn people to do, but they were killed any way after fleeing south. this is real while has lost most of his family and there are thousands of other innocent people on both sides of this conflict who lost their families this month. yes, we should be thinking through policies and global crises and asking you how we got here. but sometimes it's just time to give our sincere condolences to those who have just lost loved ones. and that's the bottom line. the state propaganda medias, censorship and the rise of all 3rd period wake up one day. this system has been turned from an electrode locked into a competitive look at the lost power in hungary for the experiences of
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those who leave it every day. but he shut on us what he has to be very careful, of course, and we have to be brave enough to support that pressure. how democracy dies. democracy may be on al jazeera, it's the world slow down. we stand for as homes with tips of global nichols reserves. indonesia is forced to leave the global easy battery industries. we definitely manage our abundant resources and play a role in solar energy, harnessing offerings, 75 percent of global carbon credits, essential, committed by mental protection and has the investment climate, digital licensing, your better tomorrow thought provoking on sundays. but the patient doesn't have time to wait for extremely unfortunate, but there are no quick wins and events or research hard hitting interviews. you feel like america is the best thing to do since these days, or is it just a different full? i think that democracy is
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a process facing realities. do you see that the fraction is already starting the g 7 in the us on one side showing the end the bricks on the other? i think there is a huge piece of that to happen to the story on told to how does era from intimate moments to major social changes from man's impact on the planet to the impact of man on himself that he has with depression. and it's really asked to give yourself up the witness award winning films from around to out to 0 or as the war on gaza escalate. i'll just say it was correspondence on the glass injuries. most of them are 2. 20 trucks are just so little compared to this amount of damage . there are no fuel supplies, which makes it hard for hospital to sustain itself. more than
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a 1000 people have been detained. crusty of you find the west bank. it's really forces came into no rush. i'm really searching based on what killed the people they are completely given off on any international level. it's just all is well that people have doesn't want to live, stay with us. but then they just depend on out to say around the buttons continue to assemble a gauze day off to is there any strikes knocked out most communications across the perceived street. the other ones are in jordan, this is obviously around life and also coming. 7 a desperate struggle to rescue people trapped under the rubble and gauze medical
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