prisons, his rails victory, and the 6 day arrow is ready. we'll left it in a dominant position and gaza. these teresa live in the west bank became occupied territories. it's often palestinian civilians who saw for the most in israel as a tax. israel blames palmed, protestant in groups such as how mass for the violence life of guns is refugees, isn't on slows of formidable challenges, blockades, over crowding, insufficient voice or power and health care, poverty, psychological trauma, the failures of a friendship palestinian authority. and of course, the terrible toll of age rails palms and missiles full in a tiny strip of land now facing its most sustained attack in decades will reach highlands, how to 0. what cause comments as the former chief spokes person for the unions relief and once agency, he says western leaders are complicit in what's happening in jobs. the gaza is unique in the annals of contemporary wolf. it'd be

a conflict with offense round it. and that sense was billed by israel, the occupying power, although israel withdrew in 2005, it remains effective control of the land. see an ad pool is and that means that there was a particular responsibility on as well to protect. and what we're seeing is the opposite. what we're seeing is a catastrophe of choice. we're seeing more kinds of choice. alyssa and complexity of choice by those wisdom really dislikes the cast on a, is likely to be the next prime minister, o britain saying that we need to give mentioned yahoo full time to destroy such an image. so she missed understanding of the political dynamics of gone. so this is a political movement. all the one that has committed civil pulling will crimes itself on the 7th of october. but the idea that you can simply beaumont out of existence is ridiculous. it's not suggesting you can formulate

a policy of existence by destroying every labor policy building in britain, in kenning will labor policy competitions. that list of how to send some of the supposedly most about the west bank. if there was an election in the west bank tomorrow morning, i have no doubt how much would would what says well, going to do the bowman rebuilding in the west bank as well. the ideal west. and li, just saying, mentioned yahoo must be given time to destroy him. this is just ridiculously, i'm especially the son of the study. and frankly, these politicians, how lot on that happens to make these ridiculous statements. well, that's it from me dire in georgia for now i'll be back at the top of the i would much more coverage at the was the bottom line is next spectrum. thanks so much and bye for now. the coveted beyond wells taken without hesitation,

fulton died for power. defines how well we live here. we make the rule, not them. they find an enemy and then they try and scare the people with that. and the people in power investigate, expose this and questions they use them to be just the power around now to sierra hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. are the wars we see today from gaza to ukraine? a sign of decline of american influence and power in the world. let's get to the bottom line. the more than 7000 palestinians have been killed by non stop is really bombing since the shock and our attack from us on october 7th. what about 1400 is really is were killed and about 200 others were taken hostage. the united nations has been warning about a huge humanitarian catastrophe,

with millions of people innocent in this conflict, living under constant showing with no food, electricity, water, medicine, or fuel to keep the hospitals in ambulances running. but the un, which is lost about 30 of its own staff and gaza, has so far been ineffective. us president joe biden says he won't call for a cease fire or otherwise interfere in his really military plans even as pure as mount for a wider conflict in the region. and in eastern europe, the ukraine, russian conflict, brian's on also with no end in sight. so what are today's region conflicts telling us about shifting global power? is america still a nation whose position is matter to the rest of the world? or is it leaving a power vacuum that's being filled by other forces? today we're talking with charles captain, a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations professor of international affairs at georgetown university and author of the end of the american era, u. s. foreign policy and the geo politics of the 21st and creek. dr. covington, thank you so much for joining us. this is

a world and places in the world where american power used to matter. and i've just been reading your book again and wondering whether the contraction of america in the world is somehow creating these conditions. you know, i think there are 2 big develop and steve that are making world fuel policy terms, making the world feel like it's going upside down. one of them i think we saw coming and that is the diffusion of power, right? we used to live in a world dominated by the united states and its democratic partners that represented say, 75 percent of global g d, p. and we're now heading into the world in which power will be the center, in which the number one power in the world within a decade or so will probably be china, india and may be number 2 in. the news is climbing the ranks. brazil getting

stronger and stronger and this is just leading to the return of rivalries that come with multiple centers of power. the, everything that's happened and i think it, many of us did not see it coming. is the weakening of the liberal anchor of the global system. and in particular, with the political weakening that we've seen here in the united states with the political center in the united states. hollowing out with the liberal, populism on raw, in rise in both sides of the atlantic. and this, in some ways hampers the ability of united states and its partners to anchor. this is an advocate of all turn this moment in which there is an inflection, wind, a shift in the distribution of power to a much more multi polar what you can call a poly centered world. so have these 2 things are combining to create a real sense of disorientation to within the is real, how mos conflict. now,

president joe biden has refused to call for a ceasefire, refused to say he's going to intervene in any way and what the israelis are doing. we've also refused to call for a ceasefire in the ukraine, russia conflict, and i like americans to have a realistic sense of how that's perceived around the world and that there are other major powers. and i'll, you know, mentioned turkey and heir to one see the world differently. and are we in a situation where america is lost, the ability to be the great hedge, a monic benign power. and now other nations in the world are organizing against it as it picks one side of the other in these complex you know, i probably distinguish carefully between the war and crane and what's happening and in israel, in the were of israel is in the middle of carrying out against some us in ukraine. i think what we've seen is

a situation in which ukraine is suffering a ball act of aggression by russia and in which the united states and its allies have agreed to help your brain. but don't have boots on the ground. and in the end of the day, the u. s. has said this is ukraine's more a brand names are fine. i think a dining ukraine makes the final call about what it's more ends are. and if the premiums want to keep fighting and try to get back from me and try to get back every interest you friday in territory, that's very right. but i do say that much of the global south is not taking sides despite the fact that this is a ball active progression. and i think that is in many respects, a consequence of a world in which many immersion powers are hatching in which china is now the lender of 1st resort and much of the global. so in which 2 thirds of the countries

of the world trade war with china, that makes it with the united states. and so the country like india, like south africa, nigeria, brazil, indonesia. they don't want to take sides in what looks like a new era of east west rivalry. and as a consequence, they are sitting on the fence even though i think this is a more that is very clearly a word of aggression against the graeme in which countries, at least ethically and morally, should band together against russia. in the case of israel war with how boss, i think it's, it's more complicated in the sense that the israel palestine conflict is one in which there are doing verging opinions about morality, about ethics, about legality, about human re rights that have divided the united states and many other parts of

the world for, for quite a long time. and i think that's what we're seeing way out here. i think given the nature of the atrocities that come off, carried out on october 7th, israel is seen as having a right to defend himself and having the right to respond with force. how is conflict, ways out, however, we're have a big impact on how the rest of the world reacts whether civilian casualties are next to a minimum, whether 80 flows in to goss in the form of fuel medicine, food, whether we see an effort to arrive at some sort of reasonable peace process at the end of the conflict. right now we're in the middle of it. it's proven to be a very divisive, bloody tragic event. from your experience do you think is real? can go through the steps it wants to do right now in destroying him, austin way of doing it and not have this conflict grow so far more

significant in terms of numbers and scale. well, i think the president biden has his got more or less right in and walk to fine line in the sense of supporting israel. going to is really in the middle of the conflict, providing military assistance to israel. but at the same time being very explicit and saying don't be blinded by rage dos, make the same mistakes the united states did after 911 where we intervene in the, in afghanistan, and iraq and libya and syria. and in many respects, the produce much more chaos then stability. and i think it's a wise warning to israel because is really, is headed into a densely populated urban environment. under the best of circumstances,

there will be significant casualties on both sides. the united states learn the hard way in a raw that military force is good at destroying things, but not very good at creating desire political outcomes. so i think that israel right now is trying to figure out how to balance its desire justified in my mind. to dismantle a mouse with the reality that it's going to be a top floor and it has to play the long game and figure out what god will look like afterward. what is the relationship with palestinians and the broader middle east will be like when the dust settles? we have won you right now, is you and i are talking in washington, the foreign minister of china. he said he believes that israel's actions have now gone beyond the level of self defense and response, but is key as you just said,

essentially making a play to the global south. and again, taking advantage of this moment to maximize china's position of looking like the good player in the world. you know, i think the china is that is somewhat ambivalent about the war and the brain. and now the word that we see in the middle east, in the sense that the chinese have risen to a 6 to become a significant player on the back of g o, political and g o e phenomena stability. and even though they've sided with food and supporter at least nominal way rushes war against the graeme. i'm not sure that they see this as a net gain for china. and max is gain because this is leading to global fragmentation. it is leading to economic the coupling and as it tends to fine, china is rivalry with the united states and the west. but i think you're right

steve, that white china is doing here is in some ways attempting to stay out of these conflicts. yeah. at the same time, explain them to increase its standing in the global south to play the role of the country that standing up to western in germany. and in some ways, i think it's, it's a responsible in doing so because it is a thing in a bad thing, rushes aggression against ukraine. and rather than trying to play a more constructive role in the middle east, whether is helping to negotiate the release of hostages. figuring out how to limit damage of getting the manager and assistance into gaza. it's this has been doing some ways to exploit the issue to try to raise a profile in the global south. and in some ways, i think it's

a consequence. it's position is going to further inflamed the tensions that we see out there to tween the west. the united states on the one hand, china on the other. a truly, i want to play a sound clip for you from secretary of state, tony blinking. let's listen. keep water, electricity for children, for the elderly, for the sick. these are present improvements, new targets. he's heading them hard. this brutalization of ukraine's people is barbaric. so i'm just sort of interested in one the hypocrisy of the moment, you know, talking about the same device as being used to turn something off and are not being able to talk about with regard to israel. and then trying to help the other side. why their response has been so pathetically small? well, you know, i think that the united states has made clear from the beginning that it has not.

it is best to get the border crossing to egypt open to get a flowing has been discussing with israel howard prosecute this war as we were speaking about a few minutes ago, mr. biden said very clearly, don't mistake the same. don't make the same mistakes we did. don't be blinded by rage. so i think this is a, a work in progress. but given that the, the attacks on october 7 were over the top were atrocities. now you have women and children, grandmothers kidnapped, be out of hostage in gaza. i think one can understand to some extent, israel rage and israel's response. but i do think that there is a middle ground here. and that involves a careful but strong military operation against a mosque leadership against

a mock fighters against the tunnels, the weapons depos width at the same time, efforts to protect civilians to get little fuel water medicine into gaza. so as to diminish and minimize the humanitarian emergency, there is an evidently unfolding when how boss decides to use its own power. spivey and brethren as human shields. i guess my question to you is about the tyranny of a nurse. yeah. and the vested interest, the build up, the don't want to see progress on these, you know, fragile geostrategic hot points. is that part of the game we have to accept it. we're always going to have certain nodes in the world to continually erupt like this as well, you know, i, as my friend and colleague richard hosp squared a few days ago in the middle east, things get worse before they get worse. uh and i think the message here is trying

to build peace in the region, trying to get rock row small between longstanding adversaries. it is very difficult business. i take my hat off to president obama for trying to reset the relationship with russia for attempting to decrease the animosity with places like it wrong in cuba. and he did to some extent succeeded to some extent he didn't succeed. but i do say we have to keep try and steve, we know from history, that piece does break that. right. the french and the germans were killing each other for centuries. and you now drive from france to germany, and you see no border crossings. the united states has a relationship with its neighbors, in which the prospect of war is on thinkable,

not in the realm of the possible pockets of peace do whatever. and so i think when it comes to the relationship between israelis and palestinians, when it comes to the relationship of the united states and china, we have to keep trying to push things in a positive direction. we know from history that the default position in international politics is competition is rivalry in some cases is arm driver. but we also know from history we met when you work hard enough. you can overcome. that is an admirable, a feeling that things are slipping away. this is one of those moments doesn't historical inflection points. we are. i think we could go either way. we could see the 21st century slip toward geopolitical competition, d globalization of liberal populism. where we could look at the moment that we're

in now and push the candle in back in the right direction. at this point, i think it's too soon to tell which way we're going to be head. president biden's national security advisor jake sullivan. just publish the $7000.00 word article in foreign affairs and it's focusing on the future of the world in america's place in it. one of the lines of, of many, uh, is it. the world is becoming more contested in the united states. cannot talk only with those who share its vision or values. and it made me wonder whether or not as you sort of look at what jake sullivan is trying to communicate, is the same moment of realism, where americans finally beginning to understand the limits of its power and capabilities that is in, in fact, going to begin talking with other players, with, with which it may not get along the way because i haven't seen that as part of the, of the, by the administration's direction. certainly not the trump administration,

but wonder whether you think the limits on american power are finally beginning to shape the way we think about what we can do in the world. well, you know, i would start by quoting the 1st sentence in, in jake's very interesting article. and that 1st sentence was not thinking international politics is inevitable. and i would take issue with that analysis because i think some things are inevitable. number one, change in the distribution of power, right? we go back to the 1700 and we saw how early world sheer from the east to the west. and europe in north america together, had been at the top of the heat, leading the path for quite some time. we now see our beginning to shift from west to east and from work this out. that's going to make the world more difficult and we're unpredictable. more on certain, the united states is not going to be able to call the shots in the same way that it

used to. we're going to have to get used to a multi polar tomorrow. we're gonna have to get used to. pearl isn't an ideological diversity because that's the world that we're headed toward. that seems to need to be inevitable. that haven't been said. i would agree with j that there's a lot of room for tainting that world and channeling a more di, centered world in a positive direction. but it will take working across to you with the ideological dividing lines. we now live steve in a world that is working independent in global life than ever before. many of the challenges that we need to face of both as a country and as international citizens require broad based global cooperation. and that means working with the countries with whom we may not share the same

principles on the same values. i think the 5 that ministration got off to a more ideal logic and start event was probably a advisable democracy versus autocracy with us or against us. now i think it's real life that it needs a more pragmatic, a more practical approach. but i do think that behind the scenes, the united states has been reaching out to china. we've seen a steady set of efforts for the cabinet officials to head to china. jake sullivan has twice and the recent past met with the chinese leadership. i think there's a sense that we don't want to go down the rabbit full of a new cold war. let's see if we can't find ways of working with the chinese to meet global challenges, even if we may disagree with them about human rights, about democracy,

and even about 2 of little issues in these days. let me just ask you finally in political science, we learned about predicting foreign policy, the continuity, typically a policies from one administration to the next administration, regardless of political party. but it seems like that world is gone. and particularly when you look at a country like a ron, and if you're basically gonna say in your calculation that we should sit down and talk to a ron, we've had a zigzag and those policies do you think as you look at the fuel situation in america, right now, which is part of that topsy turvy dimension that you started with at the beginning . do you suspect that we're not going to have continuity in american foreign policy any longer that we're going to continue to see zigzags, and instability. and the way we approach and engage the world, you will see, you know, that this zigzag yet, and a rabbit state crap that you're referring to is a, if you go back to the cold, we're really beginning with f d r. 1941. pearl harbor,

democrats and republicans came together and there was a role are ideologically sensors, bi partisan compact, that student behind a study brand of american statecraft. those days are gone. mainly because we've seen the hollowing out of the political center in the united states. and as a consequence, when power changes hands in washington from democrats, republicans, you get wild swings in foreign policy. i think that it is likely to continue depending upon who wins the next election. simply because there is a fundamental ideological cleavage along partisan lines about america's role in the world. for me, i think the key here is rebuilding the american political center from the ground. strengths in the united states starts at home. and i think the key to our future,

both our domestic future and our ability to play a purposeful and effective international role is rebuilding bipartisanship. rebuild the consensus that is going to take, getting marick and working americans back up of your fee. well, we'll have to end it. they are georgetown university professor charles captain senior fellow at the council on foreign relations. thank you so much for joining us today. steve. my pleasure to join. so what's the bottom line beneath all of this analysis, global strategy and us support for israel and ukraine and russia testing the west and the role of non state actors beneath all of that are real people and real families. one of our colleagues here at alex is here of the bureau chief and cause it just last for members of his family after and his rarely ever strikes hit. what is really official said was terrorist interest structure. while dr. goose family had already fled more than gaza,

as he has really had worn people to do. but they were killed any way after fleeing south. this is real while has lost most of his family and there are thousands of other innocent people on both sides of this conflict who lost their families this month. yes, we should be thinking through policies and global crises and asking you how we got here. but sometimes it's just time to give our sincere condolences to those who have just lost loved ones and that's the bottom line. as the situation in gaza escalates, we expect news and analysis his entire neighborhoods in gaza. city wiped off the map. we're watching one of the greatest diplomatic failures and atrocities unfold in my lifetime. i don't see anything like this basic premise of international humanitarian law. is it? what kinds by one side, never justifies, or crimes part of the city and in the got the street are already refugee. i know is

really trying to, once again, makes palestinians refugees look at the president and the bigger screen. i'm just driving and stay with us for the latest developments on our israel is still refusing to allow international journals into jobs to cover the carnage they're all that they can report on 1st hand is the is really saw palestinian reporters risking everything to get the story and 15 members of funding 5 kills and, and ask dr. sherry, what's happening on that we don't cover the news. we cover the way the news is the listening post that in america is a region of wonder of joy tragedy. and yes of violet, but it doesn't matter where you are. you have to be able to relate to the human condition. no country is

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