20031.4000000 people despite the we were just effective. for sure community and goals are being targeted. no one is saying everyone is set to advantage raves, demolitions, a dramatic rise and his radio attacks across the occupied westbank since the stalls of the world garza, the us, and the west of criticized israel's actions against palestinians that will they stop it. this is inside store the

hello again, i'm james phase. one of the global gays has been on want some of the cold, a genocide in gaza. the occupied westbank too was seen a rise in his very violent since october. the 7th. more than a 130 palestinians have been killed since then, raged demolitions attacks by settlers to become a near daily occurrence in what's been described as the worst you for palestinians in recent memory, world pals have begun to speak out against israel's actions in the occupied westbank, but kindly pressure it to stop the volumes and it's a legal settlement activity. we'll discuss all of this with all panel of guess in a moment. but 1st victoria, kate and b as all update. it is really settlers attack palestinian homes near ramallah in the occupied west bend the un human rights. so for says, such attacks have increased significantly since as roseville. wrong cause it began more than 3 weeks ago. his family was targeted when settlers and his ready soldiers

stopped the funeral cortege for 3 palestinians killed by settlers on tuesday and a boil my father and brother and others from the village. what are the intersection? the central stuff that you think the pope my brother was shot in the neck and back . my father was also shot and it took me 10 minutes to die and we raised by these really minute tree in the occupied westbank level. so increase since october, the 7th, the janine refugee camp has long b and a sense of a palestinian armed resistance to israel's illegal occupation. nothing in there and her family are enjoying nightly rates and no good deal. and uh, we tried to find for the safest corner in the house to hide in the sound of the explosions. it's terrifying. i've had to take her to the hospital twice because she wanted to shop. it's the same for all families were struggling to cope to the un says 1000 palestinians have been displaced in the occupied westbank in the past 3 weeks. a top un human rights official who resign citing the agencies handling of

the war and gaza says what's happening in the occupied westbank is textbook genocide. usually the most difficult part of proving genocide is content. in this case, the intent by his reading leaders has been so explicitly stated and publicly stated by the prime minister, by the president, by senior cabinet ministers, by military leaders. that is an easy case to make. the united states says it's deeply concerned by what it calls the uptake and violence against palestinians in the occupied westbank. it's uh israel to prevent attacks as the mass killing of civilians in gaza, continues. palestinians in the occupied westbank, the suffering to what the un describes is an unfolding crisis, victoria gates and b for inside story.

well, let's discuss all of this more now with the panel of gas. and then also we have the alice hilton's and who is program director for the middle east and north africa. the international crisis group in ramallah and the occupied westbank. marian bug duty policy analyst with the policy and policy network. and in london, toby cabman and international human rights lawyer and a specialist in war crimes. thank you. all of you for spending time with us. we are going in this program to be discussing the west bank and the very desperate situation in the westbank right now. but i'd like to start with you marian as the death toll in garza now goes over $9000.00. how up people in the west bank watching the events in garza because i know many people have family or extended family that or right. how does similar to the west bank are glorified in what's happening and it lives in terms of genocidal practices against palestinians. there you had a close more than 9000 palestinians killed in that as

a and you had more than a 1000 bombs a day being dropped. that's equivalent to miss sile or an air stripe per every palestinian killed, immunize it. and in the west bank, you've had a $141.00 palestinians killed since october 7, 340 palestinians killed since the beginning of the year. that's before the, the, the large scale military and genocide that's happening in the visit. so for palestinians it's, it's watching their own people get killed while also expecting a large scale military invasion in the west bank as well as the slaughter by is really set. there is where being heavily armed by the minister of national security and they is really military. meanwhile, is accelerating. it's the tension of palestinians. we've had almost 2000 palestinians or a 1900 to be exact,

arrested since the beginning of the year. and you have 2000 palestinians being held and this is really military prisons and under administrative detention, that means there is no actual charge against them and they're not even afford it trials. so you can see the galatian of that. and then comes the, the labor workers from the they got stuck in the west bank quite literally running for their lives. so from, from, within, the, they is rarely settlements that they were working in. is an either trying to come to the us bank or find refuge and you have is really soldiers stripping them and stepping under ahead. so the crimes of, of genocide and ethnic cleansing are not exclusive. the lenses board as verifying and it has the is, is the in 10 city and the speed in which it is happening. but that is the large scale is really project to, to ethnically cleanse palestinians. and that's what we're seeing happening here.

you know, so if i could ask you about these fake is cause you have monitor the situation in the westbank for many years, according to the under a commission to general the palestinian fatalities of the highest since the un started keeping records in 2005 and they were highest, a bought by before the events of october. and, and it's worth noting that last year was the previous grim hi. i really see here an escalation in the west bank. and that was happening well before october 7th. and before the gallons of war, and of course, i know we're seeing even a spike on top of that. and that is particularly worthy some because the 1000 more could lead to a much wider conflicts. and one place where this could be triggered in each in the west bank. so if the situation gets out of hands because of sylvester commissioned

by assessors for example, or days ready armies shooting a protest as or even a be a sure to get pro just then we could see uh a new of personal violence in the west bank and that's a good may be tough to balance regionally because we are seeing the actors the wrong groups already uh, targeting israel from afar of no very effectively. and i think the purpose was that could change that could change a soon as something really goes terribly wrong and the best time in addition to what is already happening. and also which is for richard toby if we're going to talk about israel's culpability here. first, perhaps you can help me. israel is the occupying power on the international law. isn't it? what obligations does it have? i think it was the 2nd way, and i think we've spoken about this repeatedly recently, and this is not going to is not

a new phenomenon. but we're looking at this thing here and on the is that yes is role isn't horrifying. authority on the whole geneva convention, the responsibility is that attached to that moving populations in 2 occupied areas of countries, a little prime, moving populations either internally or externally. i'm can also, i'm at 22 more problem we've, we've been looking at this from the reviews i myself, i'm traveling to, to, to is dressed in the 2016 to, to, to look at the question. all supplements and false displacement. we took this to the international criminal court. we know that this is something that the best future the call is looking at. we know that it's actually been sort of the previous to substitute that into for going to hold. i didn't find this as one of the areas that houses move into. so regardless of what we see happening on the 7th of october

and regardless of the the risk crimes we see been committed also there, there is none. the less war crimes being committed in the west bank including east jerusalem. i mean we've, we've done that for some time and we really need to move forward with holding those individuals accountable for their actions. and then the, the actions offset those who, who are leasing violence on, on kind of savings and the best buy. and that's those are the responsibility of this rep for funding to prevent and failing to publish the memory. i mean, if i can focus on the death told right now i've found something written by the humanitarian um, of the un or show it says of the palestinian fatalities since the 7th of october, almost 50 percent. we get killed during confrontations. that followed is really a search and arrest operations. so he 5 percent in the context of demonstrations. install the darcy with garza. so 50 percent. right. so i think we would say,

and 35 percent demonstrations does that match with what your seeing and hearing on the ground. so the number of palestinians being targeted um, uh, in, in search interest invasions and, and just terrorizing missions is actually higher. and you had is really military and is really forces target palestinian civilians as well. um and claim that it was done and, and self defense claim it was done because there was a protest or right. even though you know, you wouldn't just wouldn't have had started then. but what i'm also saying on the ground is that is really forces are hardly even using a tier guster going straight for the lethal weapons. and that's why they munition and a lot of then the killing as you can see there, they're targeted. so they're killing palestinians by are directly shooting either

a chest or their head. but what scarier than this is that since the beginning of the year, the broad majority of palestinians killed by israel, our children and miners, and the same trend applies with legacy. so it's, it's not just, you know, where the palestinian is being killed. the issue is that a palestinian is being killed. you $26.00 days more then a $9000.00 palestinians killed around historic palestine. these num hers are fine. so in the west bank we're only seeing what's gonna be worse unfortunately, because on gaza when, when israel had dropped almost 6, the as in bombs by october 12th. and nobody said anything. the number of palestinians killed skyrocketed from 3000. and what we're seeing now that almost reaching 10000 to so it's really important to recognize that in the west bank,

similar phenomena will happen. and that is settlers will exponentially increase their attacks on palestinians just in the past 72 hours. i've seen a significant increase in settlers attacking problems to mean villages and is really force is forces in bathing processing in town. i think with all of this morning where they killed 2 palestinians, one of them was a 14 year old and then shot from the illegal settlement across from the cemetery and vermont. look at the mourners. and this all happened before noon. i expect to see an intensification of settler tags joined by the military. and i think that's the scary part. it's not where the palestinians being killed is that the palestinian will be killed. that's the promise. that is really forces and settlers had been st verbatim. yes, with regard to the demonstrations. clearly people in the westbank seeing what is going on in gauze i want to demonstrate. i think i'm right in saying that i'm on

the, these are is ready military little, you call and have a demonstration with out more than 10 people. but otherwise you would need permission from the military. that doesn't get permission. is that right to? well, you know, i just think it's totally irrelevant because those 10 years will demonstrate it with or without a permit. there certainly i was going to asked is a, a condition for apartment. the problem is lowered. that's 1st of all, but a city is a fragmented source that's going to be demonstrations. they won't have to be strictly local. and then most probably car today just very effectively. and secondly, the posting authorities so is trying to, to prevent demonstrations because that is there, they see that there's their role. and that is very unfortunate because a person, you know, sort of should be presenting the person population of the occupied westbank and stuff that we see that it's just actually actually more secure or as well. in addition to it's, it's, it's going role in providing essential service to people. it's also very corrupt. in any case, the demonstrations will happen regardless, but

a series of short time and again that they will risk devise a going out through the streets when they see that they're the mental interest. so right, so the evaluation to be in terms of these demonstrations where these right need security forces are using live ammunition just to be absolutely clear. is there any excuse for that international law to disperse pretenders with live? i mean ition. a lot of when we looked at says in other jurisdictions, i'm frankly, and i have to say this is if this is happening anywhere else in the world, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. and i think we have to have the car to say that since we're having this discussion because of it is, is wrong about us. or if it is ludicrous to suggest that it is justified to, to use live munition, to, to, to dispel. and what is arguably a peaceful demonstration. i mean we, we looked at the,

in the context of similar do do what do we support the as abra, james, in using live, i munition, to kill a single thousands of protesters that, that force me to do. do we allow that in bangladesh to realize that in the sort of these, nothing close to that we can damage and we weren't really. we also have the, the defense minister, the burden wrong when a defensive as to who there's coordinating for grades of powers for falls in place amount of kaufman to use live. i munition without voting, i mean is the what the whole concept is deeply, deeply disturbing. so to be just to be clear, because at the beginning of the program we heard a i, i extract of an interview out to 0 did with the former head of the un human rights office in new york. he has quits his job saying it's a textbook case of genocide. do you agree with us? i think we have to be careful. we have to analyze it when we were talking about

a legal definition of an asset that is very difficult to establish. i, i personally said that when we looked at the conflict in both of those any one small aspect of the corporate. but that was, that was seemed to maps to the crime of genocide. it's very difficult about to, to prove that. but when you have statements such as goals and needs to be flossing, goal that needs to be white that and targeting the entire palestinian people that and you know, this has owns a full box of genocide. one of the questions that came up recently is where the, the, the, the, the removal or attempted extermination of a political movement. i'm kind of mind to, to joe. so i know that's not what is covered in the genocide convention. it is, there are certain protective groups that we looked at when we looked at the crowd

of genocide, but we're not talking about just the extermination. i'm us as a, as a movement political military. we're talking about, talk to the past indians. we, we had a repeated statements from the phone is ro, is there any point issues cooling for the complete removal? i mean, that is disturbing language. and then of course that, that approaches the definition of genocide. but again, we, we shouldn't always look at things up into different crimes on a sliding scale of severity. i mean, even, even if we don't establish this is jim saw it coming from script. you might have to be being committed. i'm on, i'm pretty massive scale. i'm as we hit 9000 out of savings and killed 1400 in israel. i mean we've got other kinds of costs on both sides, but the scale of the atrocities is, is significant enough. even if we don't play below,

just not just if i can bring you in on, on these really rates that have been taking place all across the west bank. but a particular focus on jeanine. and i know that your international crisis group has done research on the groups in jeanine. what is your view of how powerful those groups are? and when we looked at the germs, this will be called a new generation of our groups in a while explaining why we call them the uh, you know, areas of the west bank. they say they started to janine and novice, but they've also spread to, to talk to boss. and they're really and jericho, and many other places. we called a new generation because of that because they're different from what we've seen in the past the past. but it's in your resistance to the manager of condition was usually organized through one of the main. oops. be it felt i feel like a thief. i'll be your home, us, or any of the other groups that's to get to make up the senior national home. and

these people who are no part of these, these new groups just don't see themselves as far as any national homeless, broadly speaking, but they're not organized in any way. and i don't think it's or associated directly adults of the accept the leadership of any of these groups. they are acting autonomously or getting the defendants being in coordination with, with others like them on the ground. they may be members or front of these groups, but that is irrelevant because they, they don't the seat boundaries between them. so, so you could have a father has a mazda and people be fighting next to each other in the same local route. the other thing is that they are based mostly in the urban areas. ready area a of the west bank and they're, they're mostly responding to is really army incursions into area, but it is where the army is not supposed to be. so actually they are self defense groups in many ways. they're also, and this has to be so dual,

particularly effective because they, they basically expressing in frustration was an intolerable state as quote. but their goal, since the of, of young people in many cases of teenagers are 50 to 30. so relative to young, of, or more into performance, sometimes then the actual hardcore resistance, they don't hide their identity, somebody cases, they put themselves and their identities or social media as a way to, to be seen and to, to be recognized as heroes, i suppose. but it is not to be an effective way of finding a military occupation. so is what would be quarts of effective in suppressing these groups? but these groups are symptom of the people's best, any just frustration with the conviction. so while you can suppress some groups, i think the general urge for people to, to resist in many different ways putting as or groups well they'll continue for

a long time. so by and that's these really rage that's taking place around the westbank and particularly engine let janine but palestinians are facing another threat. how they not that facing, not just these riley minute treat that facing. the settlers who are monroe didn't gains around the westbank. i was speaking to a friend on the west bank of the a role and i said, who are you more frightened? don't these riley miller treat all the settlers? and she said to me, it doesn't make a difference. is that what you would say? i think it doesn't make a difference and that we forget that is really, soldiers are also settlers in an official state uniform and that's the, that's what it means. it doesn't make a difference. and again, m in a pallet stadium killed as opposed to being killed. that doesn't matter if the, the is really calling for genocide killing them is wearing a uniform or not. but it's really settlers and as, as we see these different communities that have illegally, uh, built,

basically settlements in the west bank by forcibly kicking out palestinians at gunpoint from their homes. and as well as what we have seen in jerusalem, what we have also seen in portland, palestine during the period of 19481967. it is that they don't care, they don't care about international law. they don't care about palestinian lives. the only objective is to push palestinians out and build this great state of israel. and as we have seen from the very disturbing language being used by the prime minister and is really forces of representatives and an average is really settlers. is that the to arabs is basically the national slogan, is that palestinians aren't even real people of the they never really existed here

. so these are the but it has to be see, not mind. can i just bring in another aspect to this, which is the international community and what they should do? because actually, for the 1st time, how been comments coming from parts of the international community? listen to this from the state department spokesman. we have made quite clear to the governor of israel that we are very concerned about, settler violence in the west bank. we find incredibly destabilizing, we find it kind of counterproductive to israel's long term security. in addition to, of course, being extremely harmful to the palestinians, living in the west bank. and we have sent a very clear message to them that it's unacceptable. it needs to stop and those responsible for it need to be held accountable to think israel will listen to words like that coming from its closest outline. it's not coming from. it's close to ally . it's coming from it's comrade in arms. the united states has been the fact still fighting on the ground against palestinians and what that is, it,

it has consistently armed israel with the weapons that it has today that it is using to commit genocide or practices against palestinian. and essentially the u. s. has been tied, teeming with israel, um, to cut of telecommunications, to have the systemic malpractice in journalism that we are the same, which is denying a worldwide audience just to really see what's happening on the ground. and we're trying, we're trying to get in here and how does it really we're trying here on out to 0 for the world to see what's going on then. and it's not ok, but that is an exception. and that's the anomaly right? to be, if i can for it now, and that's the issue with the united states. and in the same time, you're having soldiers post on their tick tock accounts and their social media of how they are taking on courses. palestinians are that they are very proud of the

way they're, they're committing their torture and abuse against palestinian detainees. so it really does go to show you that the united states right now is an accomplice and, and, and, and committing crimes of genocide and crimes against human level ever just for you just are very letting me bringing bringing. that'd be bringing to be that as the international lawyer. do you think the threats of, of, of some accountability at some stage could be a restraint on his rental or they just not going to listen to anybody? well, i think the threat has to be real. and it has to be backed up with action. i mean, me and call the nation is not gonna change anything. i mean, when you talk about the position of the community, was quite james, to listen to one of all, ministers in united kingdom yesterday. who, who said that the, you take, the position is that is where i was. karen had these actions in accordance with

international law, it's is, it's shameful learning about our thing to hear so statements because it is, it is so far away from inside football as one could imagine, i think, was the united kingdom says, what do you notice that states says is, is important. i mean i, i listened to the statements this morning by us. sense of what else the question. is there anything that you would condemn israel doing remain? and he said no, it wasn't. and that's, that's the problem and it's, israel's is not going to change in the situation is not going to change unless there is a real action taken on accountability. and the as guarantor on the wire. a very strong position to break position, been taken by the prosecution from cold and individuals being charged, whether it is in respect of promises, actions on the 7th of october,

the last of whether it's the, the attacks, the gaza or the attacks that we say. now in the west bank that has to has to come under under the district, evenings if you come have any resolution to this, unless you have a process of justice and accountability. we've seen that the world over if you do not address is the cycle of abundance continues and it will continue to be thank you. thank you to all guess. yes, hilton and marian about duty and to the cabinet are expensive. coverage continues around the talk with reporting from out teams and you want to find where spike i'm going is that you'll find it all on out is or don't come. you how to come in to add to our discussion is that will go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash 8 inside story on x, fully known as twitter, at ha inside story for me and all the teams stay safe, bye for now. the

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