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to advantage rage demolitions. a dramatic rise in his radio tax across the occupied westbank since the stones of the war on garza, the us, and the west of criticized israel's actions against palestinians that will they stop it. this is inside story, the hello again. i'm james phase. one of the global gays has been on want some of the cold, a genocide in gaza. the occupied westbank to a scene arise and is really violent since october. the 7th, more than a 130 palestinians have been killed since then raged demolitions attacks by settlers have become a near daily occurrence in what's been described as the worst year for palestinians in recent memory. well, pounds have begun to speak out against israel's actions in the occupied westbank,

but candidly pressure it to stop the volumes. and it's a legal settlement activity. we'll discuss all of this with all panel of guess in a moment. but 1st victoria kate and b as all update. it is really settlers attack palestinian homes near ramallah in the occupied west spent the un human rights of his says, such attacks have increased significantly since his rails were wrong cause it began more than 3 weeks ago. his family was targeted when settlers and his ready soldiers stopped a funeral cortege for 3 palestinians killed by settlers on tuesday. and i'll boil my father and brother and others from the village. what are the intersection? the central stuff that you think people, my brother was shot in the neck and back. my father was also shot and it took him 10 minutes to die. and we raised by these really minute tree in the occupied westbank level. so increase since october, the 7th. the janine refugee camp has long be in a sense of a palestinian armed resistance to israel,

illegal occupation. now the new mirror and her family are enjoying nightly rates and know her down the. we try to find for the safest corner in the house to hide in the sound of the explosions is terrifying. i've had to take her to the hospital twice because she wanted to shop. it's the same for all families were struggling to cope. the un says 1000 palestinians have been displaced in the occupied westbank in the past 3 weeks. i told you and human rights official who resign citing the agencies handling of the war and gaza says what's happening in the occupied westbank is textbook, genocide is usually the most difficult part of proving, genocide is content. in this case, the intent by his reading leaders has been so explicitly stated and publicly stated by the prime minister, by the president, by senior cabinet ministers, by military leaders. that is an easy case to make. the united states says it's

deeply concerned by what it calls the uptake and violence against palestinians in the occupied westbank. it's uh israel to prevent attacks as the mass killing of civilians in gaza, continues. palestinians in the occupied westbank, the suffering to what the un describes is an unfolding crisis, victoria gates and b for inside story. well, let's discuss all of this more now with the panel of gas. and then also we have the alice hilton's and who is program director for the middle east and north africa, the international crisis group in ramallah in the occupied westbank, marian bog, duty policy analyst, with the policy and policy network. and in london, toby cabman and international human rights lawyer and a specialist in war crimes. thank you. all of you for spending time with us. we are going in this program to be discussing the west bank. i'm the very desperate situation in the westbank right now. but i'd like to start with you marian as the

death toll in gauze. now goes over $9000.00. how up people in the west bank watching the events in garza because i know many people have family or extended family that. all right, how did send you to the west bank are horrified and what's happening and it lives in terms of genocidal practices against palestinians. there you had a close more than 9000 palestinians killed in a day, and you had more than a 1000 bombs a day being dropped. that's equivalent to a miss uh or an air strike per every palestinian killed and that's it. and then the was bank. you've had a $141.00 palestinians killed since october 7, 340 palestinians killed since the beginning of the year. that's before on the, the large scale military and genocide that's happening in eventually. so for

palestinians it's, it's watching their own people get killed while also expecting a large scale military invasion in the west bank as well as a slaughter by is really settlers were being heavily armed by the minister of national security. and they is really military. meanwhile, is accelerating, it's the tension of palestinians. we've had almost 2000 palestinians or a 1900 to be exact, arrested since the beginning of the year. and you have 2000 and palestinians being held. and is there any military prisons and under administrative detention, that means there is no actual charge against them and they're not even afford it trials. so you can see the galatian of that. and then comes the, the labor workers from a positive that got stuck in the west bank quite literally running for their lives . so from, from within the day is rarely settlements that they were working in to an either

trying to come to the west bank or find refuge. and you have is really filters stripping them and stepping under ahead. so the crimes of, of genocide and ethnic cleansing are not exclusive, the lenses board as verifying and that has the, is, is the in 10 city and the speed in which it is happening. but that is the largest scale is really project to, to, i think like lens palestinians. and that's what we're seeing happening here. you know, so if i could ask you about these vegas, cuz you have most of the situation in the westbank for many years, according to the under a commission to general the palestinian fatalities of the highest since the un started keeping records in 2005 and they were highest a bought but before the events of october. and, and it's worth noting that last year was the previous grim hi. i

really see here an escalation in the west bank. and that was happening well before october 7th. and before the gallons of war, and of course, i know we're seeing a even a spike on top of that. and that is particularly where the some, because the guys award to lead to a much wider conflicts. and one place where this could be triggered in each in the west bank. so if the situation gets out of hands because of sylvester commissioned by suffers for example, or days where the army shooting a protest as or even a be a sure to get pro just then. uh, we could, we could see uh, a new of personal vidas in the west bank and that's a good may be tough to balance regionally because we are seeing the actors the wrong groups already. uh, targeting israel from afar know very effectively. and i think the purpose of that could change that could change

a soon as something really goes terribly wrong and the best time in addition to what is already happening. and as of which is for richard toby if we're going to talk about israel's culpability here. first, perhaps you can help me. israel is the occupying power on the international law. isn't it? what obligations does it have? i think it was the settling and i think we've spoken about this repeatedly recently, and this is an option. this is not a new phenomenon that we're looking at. this thing here and on the is the us, israel, it isn't horrifying. those are 2 on the whole geneva convention, the responsibility is that attached to that moving populations into occupied areas. countries a little prime. moving and populations i the internally or externally. i'm kind of also, i'm at 225 i'm we've, we've been looking at this from reviews on myself. i'm traveling to, to,

to is dressed in 2016 to, to, to look at the question. all settlements and false displacement. we took this to the international criminal court. we know that this is something that the best future these african nicole is looking at. we know the fact you've been to the previous to substitute the cold. i didn't buy this as one of the areas that i was just looking into. so regardless of what we see happening on the 7th of october and regardless of the the risk crimes we see been committed also there, there is none. the less war crimes being committed in the west thing, including these drawers. i mean we've, we've done that for some time and we really need to move forward with holding those individuals accountable for their actions. and then the, the actions offset those who, who are leasing violence on behalf of things and the best buy. and that's those are

the responsibility of this rep for funding to prevent it. and failing to come to my room. if i can focus on the death toll right now, i've found something written by the humanitarian um, of the un, all sure, it says, all of the policy and fatalities since the 7th of october, almost 50 percent. we get killed during confrontations. that followed is really to search and arrest operations. so he 5 percent in the context of demonstrations. install the darcy with garza. so 50 percent. right. so i think we would say, and 35 percent demonstrations does that match with what your seeing and hearing on the ground. so the number of palestinians being targeted um uh, in, in search interest invasions and, and just terrorizing missions. it's actually higher. and you had is really military and is really forces target palestinian civilians as well. um and claim that it was

done and self defense claim. it was done because there was a protest. orion, even though you know you wouldn't just wouldn't have had started then. but what i'm also seeing on the ground is that is really forces are hardly even using a tier guster going straight for the lisa weapons. and that's light and munition. and a lot of them the killing as you can see they're, they're targeting. so they're killing palestinians by not directly shooting either chest or their head. but what's scarier than this is that since the beginning of the year, the broad majority of palestinians killed by israel are children and miners. and the same trend applies with other day. so it's, it's not just, you know, where the palestinian is being killed. the issue is that a palestinian is being killed. you 26 days more then a 9000 palestinians killed around and stored because time these number hers are

fine. so in the west bank we're only seeing what's gonna be worse unfortunately, because on gaza when, when israel had dropped almost 6, that as in bonds by october 12th. and nobody said anything. the number of palestinians killed skyrocketed from 3000. and what we're seeing now that almost reaching 10000 to so it's really important to recognize that in the west bank, similar phenomena will happen. and that is settlers will exponentially increase their attacks on palestinians just in the past 72 hours. i have seen a significant increase in settlers attacking positive mean villages and is really force is forces in beating positive in town. i think all of this morning where they killed 2 palestinians. one of them was a 14 year old and then shot from the illegal settlement across from the cemetery

and vermont. look at the mourners. and this all happened before noon. i expect to see an intensification of settler tags joined by the military. and i think that's the scary part. it's not where the palestinians being killed is that the palestinian will be killed. that's the promise. that is really forces and settlers had been said for beta. yes. with regard to the demonstrations. clearly, people in the westbank seeing what is going on in gauze, i want to demonstrate. i think i'm right in saying that i'm on the, these are is ready military little, you call and have a demonstration with out more than 10 people. but otherwise, you would need permission from the military. that doesn't get permission. is that right to? well, you know, i just, i think it's still pretty relevant because most, any useful demonstrated with or without the apartment there certainly has contest is a profession for a firm in the program is more that's 1st of all, but a sending as a fragmented source. that's going to be demonstrations, they won't have to be strictly local. and then those probably coordinate just very

effectively checking to see the posting authorities. so is trying to, to prevent demonstrations because that is there. they see that as their role. and that is very unfortunate because the 1st any of us or should be presenting the published any population of the oxford westbank and stuff we see that it's just actually acting more secure or as well in addition to it, it's because it's going in role in providing a central service to people. it's also very corrupt. in any case, the demonstrations will happen regardless, but a series of short time with a gun that they will risk device a going out to the streets where they see that they're the mental interest rights of the violation toby, in terms of these demonstrations where these right need security forces are using live ammunition just to be absolutely clear. is there any excuse for that international law to disperse pretenders with live? i'm edition, the way we live. god says in other jurisdictions,

i'm frankly, and i have to say this is if this is happening anywhere else in the world, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. and i think we have to have the courage to say that we're having this discussion because of it is wrong about us, or if it is ludicrous to suggest that it is justified to use live munition, to, to, to dispel. and what is arguably a peaceful demonstration, i mean, when we looked at the, in the context of similar do do, what do we support the as oper, james, in using live, i munition, to kill a single thousands of protesters that force me to do. do we allow that in bangladesh to realize that instead of these nothing close to that we can damage and we weren't really. we also have the, the defense minister, the very wrong when the defense minister, who there's commenting for grades of powers for falls in place and more calls for

me to use live. i munition without voting. i mean is the, the, the whole concept is basically the latest of it. so typing just to be clear, because at the beginning of the program we had a i, i extract of an interview out to 0 did with the former head of the un human rights office in new york. he has quits his job saying it's a textbook case of genocide. do you agree with us? i think we have to be careful. we have to analyze it when we were talking about a legal definition of a must have that is, that is very difficult to establish. i've, i've recently said that, you know, when we look at the conflict in both of those are the ones for the aspect of the conflict. but that was, that was deemed to maps to the prime of genocide. it's very difficult about to, to prove. but when you have statements such as garza needs to be flatten, government needs to be white that and targeting the entire palestinian people.

then you know this has owns a full box about genocide. one of the questions that came up recently is where the, the, the, the, the removal or attempted extermination of a political movement. i'm kind of glad to, to joe, so i know that's not what is covered in the genocide convention. it is, there are certain protective groups that we looked at when we looked at the kind of genocide, but we're not talking about just the extermination, almost as a, as a movement political military. we're talking about talk to last indians we, we had a repeated statements from the phone is ro, is ready, politicians cooling for the complete removal. i mean, that is disturbing language. and then of course that, that approaches the definition of genocide. but again, we,

we shouldn't always look at things a bit different crimes on the sliding scale of severity. i mean, even, even if we don't establish this is jenna sock, i mean, what from spectrum on a 2 big thing committed on on, i'm pretty massive scale. i'm as we hit 9000 out of savings in killed 1400 in israel. i mean we're go to the cost of cost on both sides of the scale of the atrocities as it said, it significant enough. even if we don't play below, just not just if i can bring you in on, on these railey rates that have been taking place a little across the west bank, but a particular focus on jeanine. and i know that your international crisis group has done research on the groups in jeanine. what is your view of how powerful those groups are? and when we looked at the germs, this will be called a new generation of our groups in a while explaining why we call them the uh, you know, areas of the west bank. they say they started to janine and novice,

but they've also spread to, to kind of until boss and they're really and jericho, and many other places. we called a new generation because so because they're different from what we've seen in the past the past. but it's been you, resistance to the manager of condition was usually organized through one of the main. oops. be it's not the whole get people to your home, us or any of the other groups that to get to make up the city and national home. and these people who are know, the part of these, these new groups is don't see themselves as part of the city national homeless, broadly speaking. but i hope organize it any way. and then the police are associated directly adults of the accept the leadership of any of these groups. they are acting autonomously. organ, smoke independently in coordination with, with others like them on the ground. they may be members or front of these groups, but that is their relevance because they, uh, they don't uh,

see the boundaries between them. so, so he could have a father has a mazda, and he will be fighting next to each other in the same local group. the other thing is that they are based mostly in the urban areas, in areas a, of the west bank. and they are, they are mostly responding to is really army incursions into area, but it is where the army is not supposed to be. so actually they are self defense groups in many ways. and they're also, and this has to be said they don't particularly effective because they, they basically expressing in frustration was an intolerable state as quote of. but there consist of, of young people in many cases of teenagers of 50 to 30. so relative to young, of, or more into performance, sometimes then the actual hardcore resistance, they don't hide their identity. so many cases they put themselves and their identities on social media as a way to, to be seen and to,

to be recognized as heroes, i suppose. but it is not to be an effective way of finding a military occupation, so it's always being courts of effective in suppressing these groups. but these groups are symptom of the people's best any this frustration was 2 minutes or occupation. so while you can suppress some groups, i think in general, urge for people to, to resist in many different ways of putting or groups. well, they'll continue for a long time. so by and that's these riley rage, that's a hit taking place around the westbank and particularly engine let janine but palestinians are facing another threat. how they not that facing, not just these riley minute treat that facing the settlers, who up the road in gains around the westbank. i was speaking to a friend on the west bank of the a role and i said, who are you more frightened? all these really military, all the settlers and she said to me, it doesn't make a difference. is that what you would say?

i think it doesn't make a difference. and that we forget that is really, soldiers are also settlers in an official state uniform. and that's that, that's what it means. it doesn't make a difference. and again, m in a pallet stadium goes a palestinian kill. that doesn't matter if the, the is really calling for genocide killing them is wearing a uniform or not. but it's really settlers. and as, as we see these different communities that have illegally built basically settlements in the west bank by forcibly kicking out palestinians at gunpoint from their homes. and as well as what we have seen in jerusalem, what we have also seen in part land, palestine during the period of 19481967. it is that they don't care, they don't care about international law. they don't care about palestinian lives.

the only objective is to push palestinians out and build this great state of israel. and as we have seen from the very disturbing language being used by the prime minister and is rarely forces of representatives and an average is really settlers. is that the to arabs is basically the national slogan, is that palestinians aren't even real people on the they never really existed here . so these are the but it has to be see, not mind. can i just bringing out another aspect to this, which is the international community and what they should do? because actually, for the 1st time that how being comments coming from parts of the international community. listen to this from the state department spokesman. we have made quite clear to the governor of israel that we are very concerned about, settler violence in the west bank. we find incredibly destabilizing, we find it kind of counterproductive to israel's long term security. in addition to,

of course, being extremely harmful to the palestinians, living in the west bank. and we have sent a very clear message to them that it's unacceptable. it needs to stop and those responsible for it need to be held accountable to think israel will listen to words like that coming from its closest outline. it's not coming from it's close to ally . it's coming from its comrade in arms. the united states has been the fact still fighting on the ground against palestinians and what that is, it, it has consistently armed israel with the weapons that it has today that it is using to commit genocide or practices against palestinian. and essentially the u. s. has been tag teaming with israel um to come up telecommunications to have the systemic malpractice in journalism that we are the same, which is denying a worldwide audience is to really see what's happening on the ground. and we're

trying, we're trying audio here now. does it really we're trying here on out to 0 for the world to see what's going on then and it's not ok, but that is an exception. and that's the anomaly, right? toby, if i can, for now, and that's the united states, and in the same time, you're having folders post under tick tock accounts and their social media of how they are taking on courses of palestinians are that they are very proud of the way they're, they're committing their torture and abuse against palestinian detainees. so it really does go to show you that the united states right now is an accomplice in it and, and committing crimes of genocide and crimes against humanity. so let's look at it for you just are married. let me bring in, bringing that be bringing, tell you, be that as the international lawyer, do you think the threats of, of, of some accountability at some stage could be a restraint on his ramble?

are they just not going to listen to anybody? well, i think the threat has to be real and it has to be backed up with action. i mean, man condemnation is not gonna change anything. i mean, when you told him about the position of the community was quite shamed to listen to one of our ministers in united kingdom yesterday. who said that the, you take, the position is that is our own car, had these actions in accordance with the international mall. it's, it is, it's shameful and about our thing to hear so statements because it is far away from inside for more as one could imagine, i think, was the united kingdom says, what do you notice that states says is, is important. i mean i, i listened to statements this morning by us senate to what else the question, is there anything that you would condemn israel doing remain?

and he said no, it wasn't. and that's, that's the problem. and it's a, israel's is not going to change in the situation is not going to change it unless there is a real action taken on accountability and the as guarantor on the wire. a very strong position to break position, been taken by the prostitute during the cold and individuals being charged, whether it is in respect of all promises actions on the 7th of october. the last of whether it's the, the attacks, the gaza or the attacks that we see now in the west bank that has to, has to come on to under the district even. so if you come have any resolution to this, unless you have a process of justice and accountability, we've seen that the world of you know, addresses the cycle, the violence continues and it will continue to be thank you. thank you to all guess . yes,

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